Dick Gaughan website is suspended

Subject: Folklore: Dick Gaughan website is suspended
From: GUEST,Terry Murphy
Date: 25 Oct 18 - 09:16 PM

Hello! Dick Gaughan's website is suspended! I know he is in recovery from a stroke back in 2016 and I am sure we all wish him well. His site was a treasure of lyrics and tunes..I wonder if he is updating it?

Subject: RE: Dick Gaughan website is suspended
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 25 Oct 18 - 11:22 PM

If it is a commercial site then the fees may need to be paid. Can you share with us what the usual URL was and I can do some research?

Subject: RE: Dick Gaughan website is suspended
From: DaveRo
Date: 26 Oct 18 - 02:17 AM

There's a link on his wikipedia page.

Domain expires 02-Oct-2019 so probably a payment was due on 02-Oct-2018. Just guessing.

Subject: RE: Dick Gaughan website is suspended
From: peteglasgow
Date: 26 Oct 18 - 03:58 AM

i used to read and occasionally contribute to dick gaughan's site. in the last year or 2 it has been very rarely used by contributors. i'm not surprised it has closed down - but it's a shame

Subject: RE: Dick Gaughan website is suspended
From: DaveRo
Date: 26 Oct 18 - 04:12 AM

Last archived copy was on 3rd September.

Subject: RE: Dick Gaughan website is suspended
From: Jack Campin
Date: 26 Oct 18 - 05:16 AM

His host was Gradwell. There was a lot of stuff there that would be hard to archive. His sysadmin Molly Romanov would be the person to contact.

Subject: RE: Dick Gaughan website is suspended
From: DaveRo
Date: 26 Oct 18 - 07:53 AM

Gradwell Communications sold their hosting business, and transferred registration and billing of their domains, to Pickaweb in June.

Subject: RE: Dick Gaughan website is suspended
From: Tattie Bogle
Date: 26 Oct 18 - 12:14 PM

What IS good news is that Dick has been able to participate in the concerts around Scotland in the "Far, Far from Ypres" series. I believe he sings at least one song in it, and plays guitar. Looking forward to the final concert of the run, which takes place on Sunday 11th November in Edinburgh's Usher Hall, on the 100th anniversary of Armistice Day.

Subject: RE: Dick Gaughan website is suspended
From: GUEST
Date: 26 Oct 18 - 09:16 PM

I hope it comes back, maybe he is not interested....all the best to him whatever he decides...

Subject: RE: Dick Gaughan website is suspended
From: GUEST
Date: 27 Oct 18 - 03:19 PM

Great news Tattie! Hope someone posts on you tube! I have a great gra for the man, met him a few times, would love to listen to him talk all night! Singing and playing too!

Subject: RE: Dick Gaughan website is suspended
From: Tattie Bogle
Date: 28 Oct 18 - 10:32 AM

Hope you might be able to see this video which Pete Heywood posted on Facebook a few weeks back: be patient, song starts at 2.00.
Dick Gaughan: Childhood's End

Subject: RE: Dick Gaughan website is suspended
From: GUEST
Date: 29 Oct 18 - 08:51 AM

Thank you sooooooooooooo much tattie! I owe you a bottle of the best!

Subject: RE: Dick Gaughan website is suspended
From: GUEST
Date: 31 Oct 18 - 10:21 AM

Dick originally recorded this song for the album "True and Bold" which I believe was about miners and their struggles (I don't have it).
I wonder if this was adapted to be a song about a young man going to war (I find it hard to hear the words in places). On the cd of the original show he sang "Why Old Men Cry"
Good to see him performing again; his voice is OK, but playing the guitar looks like a real struggle. A lasting result of the stroke he had a couple of years ago, I presume.

Subject: RE: Dick Gaughan website is suspended
From: GUEST
Date: 01 Nov 18 - 10:58 AM

The webmaster for Dick's site was Molly Mockford who lives near me in Lewes. It may be down to her. I will see if I can find out.

Subject: RE: Dick Gaughan website is suspended
From: Tattie Bogle
Date: 01 Nov 18 - 11:34 AM

Glad to oblige, Guest 1! Btw, are all you three Guests one and the same person?

Subject: RE: Dick Gaughan website is suspended
From: Vic Smith
Date: 01 Nov 18 - 11:49 AM

No I had lost my registration for some unknown reason. My only post was Date: 01 Nov 18 - 10:58 AM

Subject: RE: Dick Gaughan website is suspended
From: Tattie Bogle
Date: 01 Nov 18 - 06:15 PM

That makes you Guest 3, Vic! Thanks

Subject: RE: Dick Gaughan website is suspended
From: Jack Campin
Date: 01 Nov 18 - 06:30 PM

Molly Mockford has been Molly Romanov for a few years now.

Subject: RE: Dick Gaughan website is suspended
From: GUEST
Date: 02 Nov 18 - 04:10 AM

Sadly, many discussion forums have now become defunct.

The old Footstompin' forum is now inaccessible too

http://forum.handsupfortrad.co.uk/

There hasn't been much interest there for some time.
Nigel Gatherer's forum is still running but there is little activity there either.

http://www.nigelgatherer.com/forum/

While I'm aware that Dick has had some serious health issues and Molly may be busy doing other things, there is obviously a wider malaise as far as this type of medium is concerned.
Everybody seem to be on Twitter and Facebook these days. I quite like Twitter but detest Facebook.
However, both of these just tend to be "echo chambers" where everyone ends up agreeing with everyone else and "blocking out" or "unfriending" those people who may have different opinions than their own. I much prefer the old traditional forums as a place for good discussion and debate.

Subject: RE: Dick Gaughan website is suspended
From: DaveRo
Date: 02 Nov 18 - 04:46 AM

Forums? I see that Gradwell has been around long enough to have a usenet group:
uk.net.providers.gradwell

Dick himself often used to post in uk.music.folk

Subject: RE: Dick Gaughan website is suspended
From: Jack Campin
Date: 02 Nov 18 - 05:46 AM

Footstompin worked very well when Elizabeth Thoumire was running it, despite being the software equivalent of something held together with string and duct tape. When her son Simon took it over, shut it down and replaced it with "handsupfortrad", it became solely a promotional vehicle for his own activities and understandably attracted almost no interest from anyone else.

The more durable forums have been those that don't centre around a single performer or group.

Subject: RE: Dick Gaughan website is suspended
From: Vic Smith
Date: 02 Nov 18 - 07:03 AM

Molly Mockford has been Molly Romanov for a few years now.

Sorry, Jack, of course she has. It's just that when you have known people for many years by one name, a changed surname is not the first thing that springs to mind.

Subject: RE: Dick Gaughan website is suspended
From: Johnny J
Date: 02 Nov 18 - 07:49 AM

Oops. That was me posting as "Guest" re Footstompin'

I had reset my browser as it was running slow and inadvertently logged myself out.

Subject: RE: Dick Gaughan website is suspended
From: graham_t
Date: 03 Nov 18 - 06:18 AM

I presume that the contents of a website that is taken offline because of payment default is cached for some time before being deleted, but for how long is this likely to be? The Gaughan website has been down for a few weeks now.
The forum was almost unused latterly, so it's loss is not so important, but the rest of the website, with bio, discography need to be kept and in part updated.

I used to like the Footstompin forum, but there were a few on there who tried Elizabeth's patience more than somewhat and gave her rather too much to do as a moderator. Quite a demanding job, with little or no return, I would think.

Subject: RE: Dick Gaughan website is suspended
From: Tattie Bogle
Date: 03 Nov 18 - 06:23 PM

I only visted Dick's site a few times, mainly to get song words, which he was very generous with. (As well as using Mudcat, of course!)
I was also a Footstomper, and enjoyed using that site, especially as most of it was a bit more local: however Mudcat has its global attractions! As on this site too, some of the banter overstepped the mark, as graham t has suggested.

Subject: RE: Dick Gaughan website is suspended
From: Bugsy
Date: 05 Nov 18 - 06:42 AM

I remember when Dick wouldn't join Muscat because he had to accept a cookie.

How times have changed.

Cheers

Bugsy

Ps. Hope he's doing well.

Subject: RE: Dick Gaughan website is suspended
From: Tattie Bogle
Date: 07 Nov 18 - 01:08 PM

Will hopefully see him on stage on Sunday when I go to the final "Far, far from Ypres" performance in Edinburgh's Usher Hall.

Subject: RE: Dick Gaughan website is suspended
From: Gallus Moll
Date: 08 Nov 18 - 06:15 PM

I miss Footstompin too.... wish there was another similar local/ Scottish one- - - Mudcat is great but can be kinda overwhelming when you first encounter it -- !!
(I still want to know who Ony is/was -- he(?) who got permanently banned from Footstompin!)

Subject: RE: Dick Gaughan website is suspended
From: Tattie Bogle
Date: 08 Nov 18 - 08:16 PM

Sadly Onny died a couple of years or so back. In real life, he was charming, but get him behind a computer keyboard.......! (A bit like a few people on Mudcat!)

Subject: RE: Dick Gaughan website is suspended
From: GUEST
Date: 08 Nov 18 - 09:25 PM

Tattie! I am jealous! In a good way! I was lucky to see the man many times and talk with him. Praying for a full recovery and one more concert tour in the states, if not, a DVD compilation would be nice! I wonder if there are any clips of him during the "Coppers and Brass" Period???? Most of all, if none of those things happen, I wish him well and happiness!

Subject: RE: Dick Gaughan website is suspended
From: Jack Campin
Date: 09 Nov 18 - 06:10 AM

Onny was Charlie Todd, I think. Mandolin player. I never met him but he emailed me a few times. (The nickname was from "on yer tod"). Seems to have been a nice bloke. How he came by all that inside information (which he couldn't resist commenting on) I have no idea.

Dick never had much interest in other people's forums, though he may rarely have posted here.

Subject: RE: Dick Gaughan website is suspended
From: Effsee
Date: 09 Nov 18 - 06:32 AM

I think you're mistaken Jack. I was in correspondence with Onny some years ago with his name being Jim Anderson. Sorry to hear of his passing.

Subject: RE: Dick Gaughan website is suspended
From: Johnny J
Date: 09 Nov 18 - 07:58 AM

I know who he was and Jack is certainly mistaken, on this occasion.

Charlie Todd may also have that nickname but he is not the same person who posted on FS and one or two other now defunct sites.

Subject: RE: Dick Gaughan website is suspended
From: Tattie Bogle
Date: 09 Nov 18 - 06:24 PM

Agree with Effsee and Johnny J.

Subject: RE: Dick Gaughan website is suspended
From: GUEST,akenaton
Date: 10 Nov 18 - 11:54 AM

I loved footstompin and Wee Liz.....had some rare fun therr with Onny Deirdre Johnny etc   and nivir goat banned wance!!... In fact I had an invitation fae Simon tae come back oan......bit therr wis naebiddy therr :0(
Donoe whit happind tae the auldyin? ....Sheena Wellington?

Subject: RE: Dick Gaughan website is suspended
From: Tattie Bogle
Date: 10 Nov 18 - 12:43 PM

Think the Hands Up for Trad forum that replaced Footstompin must also be defunct noo: can get on HUFT website, but when I click on Forum, either nothing happens or I get an Error 500 message.
Sheena is still very much oot there, busy singin' and putting on concerts in the Wighton Centre and Unicorn in Dundee: you can find her on Facebook.
I'll report on Dick again after tomorrow's concert.

Subject: RE: Dick Gaughan website is suspended
From: Anne Neilson
Date: 10 Nov 18 - 01:24 PM

Looking forward to hearing your response to Far, Far...

(And more than a little envious, though I'm privileged to be going to see Peggy Seeger tomorrow.)

Subject: RE: Dick Gaughan website is suspended
From: GUEST
Date: 10 Nov 18 - 02:06 PM

Thanks Tattie...The Auldtimer was always nice on footstompin, but therr wis some helluva big egos among the "young celebrities" :0)

Subject: RE: Dick Gaughan website is suspended
From: GUEST
Date: 11 Nov 18 - 11:22 AM

Good man Tattie!

Subject: RE: Dick Gaughan website is suspended
From: Tattie Bogle
Date: 12 Nov 18 - 01:43 PM

Or even wuman!
That was some concert: Usher Hall totally sold out right up to the rafters, standing ovation and everyone stayed standing for the final song "Only Remembered".
Dick's song, "Childhood's End" went well and he joined in some of the other songs. He looked a little weary, I thought, but who wouldn't be after the big schedule of concerts. Wasn't close enough to comment on guitar. But good to see him back in action.
Incidentally, the entire script including song lyrics is available to anyone who wants it: the intention being that schools might put on their own productions, perhaps including some of their own local relatives - OK to change names in the script. Use of the script is free, thanks to Ian McCalman, but the usual provisos apply to public performance of any copyrighted songs.
See: www.the-mccalmans.com/FarFarFromYpres
(Note blickies not currently working but that IS the correct url!)

Subject: RE: Dick Gaughan website is suspended
From: GUEST
Date: 12 Nov 18 - 05:16 PM

For some reason the link above adds mudcat.org at the front. The best way to get it is to go to the Mccalmans homepage and then click on the bit under Far, far from Ypres that says "for datails, script, photos etc"

Subject: RE: Dick Gaughan website is suspended
From: FreddyHeadey
Date: 12 Nov 18 - 05:41 PM

here's another go at the link the script

"Far, Far From Ypres"
This script, including the narration, can be edited. You may want to mention local heroes or places and you can also leave out songs and add songs.
Songs that are used cannot be edited and may be under copyright (PRS).
I give permission for the name, "Jimmy MacDonald" in the script and song (Victory Parade) to be changed, if a local name is preferred.
Try to ensure that the basic integrity of the story is maintained.

©® Ian McCalman. Permission has been granted for use by others without payment.


http://www.the-mccalmans.com/YpresScript.htm 

Subject: RE: Dick Gaughan website is suspended
From: Jeri
Date: 12 Nov 18 - 08:49 PM

I fixed Tattie Bogle link to the McCalmans page. If you're linking to sites off Mudcat, you need the "http://" or it thinks the page is on Mudcat.

Subject: RE: Dick Gaughan website is suspended
From: Tattie Bogle
Date: 13 Nov 18 - 10:19 AM

Thanks Jeri

Subject: RE: Dick Gaughan website is suspended
From: GUEST
Date: 30 Jul 19 - 08:59 AM

Is there any way that the Dick Gaughan website might be archived someplace else - a national centre, a University? Preferably with open access? His website was a live-times work. His enquiry into folk music traditions and everything else he brought forward - this is a legacy that really needs to live on. I am late to this debate. But my background is in arts development. Who to contact to open up this enquiry?

Subject: RE: Dick Gaughan website is suspended
From: Jack Campin
Date: 30 Jul 19 - 09:25 AM

If GUEST will get an account and send me a PM (or send me a message via some other medium that guarantees the identity of who I'm dealing with) I can explain why that suggestion won't work. I'm not explaining here.

Subject: RE: Dick Gaughan website is suspended
From: OldPossum
Date: 30 Jul 19 - 01:22 PM

Or you could try the Wayback Machine, like this:

Dick Gaughan site at the Wayback Machine

Subject: RE: Dick Gaughan website is suspended
From: Joe Offer
Date: 31 Jul 19 - 03:14 AM

What made Dick's forum work, was Dick. The success of that forum very much depended on the personality of its moderator. We moderators are good for something, ya know.

Subject: RE: Dick Gaughan website is suspended
From: GUEST
Date: 31 Jul 19 - 12:04 PM

Most of the stuff on Dick's website can be seen through the Wayback Machine, but I don't know how long this is kept for or whether it can be copied other than by doing a screen shot on every page. The most interesting things for me are the song notes and the background to the making of the albums, all too many of which seem to have ended up becoming unavailable. Handful of Earth was made after a long period of mental trauma and Live in Edinburgh after recovering from a period which started with him totally losing his voice half way through a gig. He's clearly had a very difficult life at times, culminating in what would seem to be a solo career ending stroke.
I don't agree with all of his political views, but admire his integrity. His is certainly a voice we could do with at the moment. I saw him live a few times but could and should have seen him more.

Subject: RE: Dick Gaughan website is suspended
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 31 Jul 19 - 12:16 PM

I wonder which of his political views you didn't agree with, Joe. He's a leftie for sure but I find his views to be measured and eloquently-expressed in his songs, often a little too directly for my taste (I'm more of a Woody aficionado in that regard), but I have lots of his albums and I cherish them. I saw him three times.

As for Molly the moderator, and speaking as someone she occasionally growled at, she ran a very tight ship and wouldn't have put up with some of the below-line nonsense that infests this forum these days. And she did it on her own with Dick's full blessing.

Subject: RE: Dick Gaughan website is suspended
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 31 Jul 19 - 12:19 PM

I immediately and heartily apologise for getting you mixed up with Guest there, Joe. I'm all woozy today as I'm dosed up with unfriendly antihistamine...

Subject: RE: Dick Gaughan website is suspended
From: GUEST
Date: 22 Jan 24 - 05:51 PM

Old Possum: Thanks for the tip re Wayback Machine. At this time (22 Jan 24) it seems to be all there, thankfully! I'm very grateful to whoever put it there, I used to check periodically on the website but as we know it became unavailable some time ago. It's such a great resource, it would be a shame to lose it completely!

Subject: RE: Dick Gaughan website is suspended
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 22 Jan 24 - 06:45 PM

The Internet Archive has those pages stored to keep. As long as you know the URL of the original page it will go there, otherwise you'll have to do a keyword search.

Subject: RE: Dick Gaughan website is suspended
From: Joe Offer
Date: 22 Jan 24 - 07:16 PM

https://web.archive.org/web/20170224103217/http://dickgaughan.co.uk/main.html

Subject: RE: Dick Gaughan website is suspended
From: GUEST,johnmc
Date: 23 Jan 24 - 08:57 AM

As an aside, Dick appeared at Celtic Connections on Friday. He sang with others
at a concert celebrating John Maclean and was in good voice.