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Dixon of D&G re Palmer McAbee etc.

GUEST,Joseph Scott 01 Nov 18 - 12:29 PM
GUEST,Hootenanny 01 Nov 18 - 03:18 PM
GUEST,Joseph Scott 02 Nov 18 - 01:59 PM
GUEST,Hootenanny 02 Nov 18 - 04:45 PM
GUEST,Joseph Scott 02 Nov 18 - 05:24 PM
GUEST,Joseph Scott 02 Nov 18 - 05:29 PM
GUEST,Hootenanny 03 Nov 18 - 06:34 AM
GUEST,Mike Yates 05 Nov 18 - 10:34 AM
GUEST,Joseph Scott 06 Nov 18 - 10:10 PM
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Subject: Dixon of D&G re Palmer McAbee etc.
From: GUEST,Joseph Scott
Date: 01 Nov 18 - 12:29 PM

Robert Dixon, coauthor of the famous reference book _Blues And Gospel Records_, quoted in _Pioneers Of The Blues Revival_ by Steve Cushing on the topic of trying to exclude blues artists, such as Palmer McAbee (17 years older than Robert Johnson), from the book whenever they were believed to be white:

"[I]t's interesting how I only thought this through a couple of years ago: we were absolutely color conscious...."


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Subject: RE: Dixon of D&G re Palmer McAbee etc.
From: GUEST,Hootenanny
Date: 01 Nov 18 - 03:18 PM

Strangely enough if you bother to check it out the record industry has been since it's beginnings.

Was Palmer McAbee a blues artist? The Victor session sheet for his two issued sides from 1928 is clearly labelled "Hillbilly".

And of what relevance is his age?


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Subject: RE: Dixon of D&G re Palmer McAbee etc.
From: GUEST,Joseph Scott
Date: 02 Nov 18 - 01:59 PM

"Was Palmer McAbee a blues artist?" Yeah.
"of what relevance is his age?" To his style, e.g.


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Subject: RE: Dixon of D&G re Palmer McAbee etc.
From: GUEST,Hootenanny
Date: 02 Nov 18 - 04:45 PM

How old does one have to be to qualify as a blues artist? and who decides?

Sorry I don't follow your explanation.


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Subject: RE: Dixon of D&G re Palmer McAbee etc.
From: GUEST,Joseph Scott
Date: 02 Nov 18 - 05:24 PM

I haven't written anything about being a blues artist being contingent on age; Robert Johnson was a blues artist, I think and I bet you think.

Who decides whether McAbee was a blues artist would be e.g. Robert Dixon and John Godrich, who included him in the 1982 edition of their famous reference work and wrote there that he "certainly sounds black." He was white. What Dixon was thinking about in recent years (he's 79), and admitted he hadn't thought about back then, was that trying to eliminate people from a book on the basis of them not being black was, in the real world, a _different_, inconsistent approach from noticing what they sounded like. How Dixon honestly thought McAbee sounded illustrates the inconsistency.


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Subject: RE: Dixon of D&G re Palmer McAbee etc.
From: GUEST,Joseph Scott
Date: 02 Nov 18 - 05:29 PM

"He was white" They didn't know it then, but he was white, if that helps explain.


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Subject: RE: Dixon of D&G re Palmer McAbee etc.
From: GUEST,Hootenanny
Date: 03 Nov 18 - 06:34 AM

Tell me something I don't know.

What I was pointing out to you in my first post is that from the very early days of the 78 era. Record companies had to make it clear which audience their product was aimed at. Getting it wrong could upset some folks Ref. The Allen Brothers.

D & G in their discography were aiming at a particular audience. Their book was aimed at blues collectors.

McAbee is listed correctly where he belongs in Tony Russel's excellent Country Music Discography.

I assume from your posts that you must not have been listening very long.


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Subject: RE: Dixon of D&G re Palmer McAbee etc.
From: GUEST,Mike Yates
Date: 05 Nov 18 - 10:34 AM

And what of Taylor's Kentucky Boys and that photograph which shows Dennis Taylor, their manager, 'playing' Jim Booker's fiddle. Booker, being black, was not shown. Their records were sold via the Old-Time/Hillbilly section of the catalogue.


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Subject: RE: Dixon of D&G re Palmer McAbee etc.
From: GUEST,Joseph Scott
Date: 06 Nov 18 - 10:10 PM

Hootenanny, Dixon corrected _himself_ about something, of his own volition, I wasn't there. Do you understand that Dixon corrected himself about something?


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