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A repository for your music pictures...

Tony Rees 02 May 24 - 02:44 PM
GUEST,Malcolm Storey 24 Apr 24 - 07:54 AM
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Subject: RE: A repository for your music pictures...
From: Tony Rees
Date: 02 May 24 - 02:44 PM

Of course there is always the question of what to put up (preserve for posterity)... in other words, not "this is me and my girlfriend in front of the Eiffel Tower" or "look what a great party we had"...

I tend to look for passing the bar on three counts - first, is it a subject of historic/cultural/educational interest - many older pix of known artists on stage (or candid off stage shots, or ancillary stuff such as instruments of some interest, or other material illustrating folk traditions) can satisfy this criterion, particularly if they are a record of a particular time and place that will not come again, and/or no-one else was taking photos at the time.

Second, am I happy with the image from an artistic/aesthetic nature - for example, if I took half a dozen similar shots, which one do I like the best? Do I choose just that one or several, or put them all up including the lesser ones? (Typically it is one or a few, generally not all; culling the poorer ones makes the others look better, in general!)

Third, what about technical quality (focus/clarity, graininess, contrast, colour balance etc.) In my experience to date, the best ones for technical quality were the ones that made it to my photo albums back in the day (black-and-white ones were hand printed and corrected/improved to taste via darkroom practices at the time). These are generally the first batch I uploaded over the years 2016-2019 or so. However more recently I have been revisiting some of the ones I never printed, or colour shots that stayed unsorted in the box, and found that either my opinion of their quality or historic interest had changed, or that with newer digital techniques I could produce better "fair copies" than I previously thought possible, so quite a few of these have now made it to my online postings, hence the more recent 50 or more images uploaded.

A final category is artists/performers for whom I have original video recordings but not stills. Pre-digital age these are normally on Betamax, with a small number on VHS and/or Video 8 (or second generation transfers of the same). These present a problem in that the resolution of those formats is rarely more than 250 horizontal lines, compare 500-odd for a DVD and 1000-odd for Blu-Ray, meaning that they are pretty low resolution images to start with, before considering other aspects such as video noise, poor colour range etc. However in a few cases, they are the best I have got, I like the artists concerned, and nobody else is putting up similar content. So I have gone ahead and put up the odd one of these as a frame grab off my PC (plus minor image noise reduction etc.) after making a digital version of the video - see for example Kristina Olsen 1997 . I think this *just* creeps across the "technical quality bar" but opinions might differ! There is a kludge available to "improve" quality of such video frames, however, by joining several together to make a wider image - does not create any more horizontal lines but more vertical ones, which can give the illusion of a "better" image, see for example Wrigley Sisters 2002 or Jyotsna LaTrobe band (part) 1995 ... if there is a better method to create quality stills from (original poor quality) video files, I would be glad to investigate it.

Cheers Tony


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Subject: RE: A repository for your music pictures...
From: GUEST,Malcolm Storey
Date: 24 Apr 24 - 07:54 AM

Thanks Tony.
I think I will try my photos first as I know they are mine.
The videos and sound files my be a different problem.


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Subject: RE: A repository for your music pictures...
From: Tony Rees
Date: 23 Apr 24 - 07:03 PM

PPS The above is only applicable for materials such as original photographs for which you as the image creator own the copyright. The same would apply also to audio and video materials, however in these cases often separate copyrights might also be involved from the performers and writers so they may be out of scope, as would also printed materials for which you are not the copyright owner.

Tony


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Subject: RE: A repository for your music pictures...
From: Tony Rees
Date: 23 Apr 24 - 03:45 PM

PS to the above - to show the nature of its present "footprint", when I first uploaded to Wikimedia Commons (2016) it hosted 30 million "freely useable media files"; at the present time it has 104.9 million (doubtless exceeded by the time you read this), all findable via Google or its own search facility. So it ain't goin' nowhere, as the folk poet would say...

- Tony


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Subject: RE: A repository for your music pictures...
From: Tony Rees
Date: 23 Apr 24 - 02:51 PM

Hi Malcolm...

OK, here is my take on this - if you are a professional photographer and wish to sell your wares, there are plenty of routes for this and read no further. Here I address the needs of the non-commercial photographer who does not wish to make money from their work, but sees it of cultural value and would like it to persist in the event of their demise or otherwise cessation of involvement in the retention process.

The options I would say are:

(1) Give the materials (preferably scanned, but maybe some would also accept prints or transparencies) to a local or national repository to curate indefinitely on your behalf. There are some problems with this approach though:

- If a small organisation, the repository may not have the resources to maintain, or make generally available, its archive indefinitely (and/or any associated web portal)

- Your materials may not be displayed (others may have a higher precedence)

- Some repositories (even or especially the British Library with its new, previously unknown Beatles tape) do not make their materials available online, or permit copying and free re-use (commercial or non-commercial). The EFDSS may or may not come into this category as well.

(2) Submit the materials, in digital form, to a public-access repository, ideally for free re-use without restriction except for acknowledgement that you are the photographer and copyright owner. This is what I do, using the "CC4" Creative Commons licences (but there are others). For this you can put images on FlickR with an appropriate licence; put topographic images (for the UK and Ireland) on Geograph, https://www.geograph.org.uk/ ; use Wikimedia Commons (my preference); or possibly other routes. I choose Wikimedia Commons because (a) it has probably the biggest presence in this area, and is maintained by a charitable, not commercial, foundation, (b) it is the principal "feed" for images used in Wikipedia articles (the pipeline for this is extremely simple), and (c) unlike Wikipedia itself, where the subjects of articles have to be "notable" according to Wikipedia's own principles, for Wikimedia Commons the requirement is less stringent, being more of a potential educational or social-historical-documentary purpose, which fits my photos pretty well: their exact wording (which has changed from time to time) is presently:

"These works provide knowledge, instructions, or information to others"

which covers it - as opposed to (for example) just pictures of yourself or your friends, or other items of a more ephemeral / non useful nature.

The Wikimedia Commons upload procedure is self explanatory is and accessed via the Wikimedia Commons Main Page (link to "Upload file" in the left navigation bar); you have to create an account first, but this is straightforward (if you already have created an account to edit Wikipedia, that one will be useable directly as the logins are shared).

Since 2016 I have uploaded over 300 of my "potentially interesting to future users" images to Wikimedia Commons, using the CC4 license and its predecessors, without problem, and now sleep easy knowing that to the best of my knowledge, these images will now persist indefinitely, can be found by others (especially with appropriate labels and tags e.g. "folk musicians from the United Kingdom"), and can be re-used as well e.g. in Wikipedia articles and therefore circulate more widely than otherwise possible.

In a few cases I have uploaded a copy of modest resolution first, then overwritten it with a better version as available, which is also a simple process and breaks no links for downstream users.

Just my 2 cents of course,

Regards - Tony


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Subject: RE: A repository for your music pictures...
From: GUEST,Malcolm Storey
Date: 21 Apr 24 - 07:47 PM

Can someone reprise and discover if there is a way forward.
I have loads of stuff my family would not recognise as being in some cases gold dust and so the skip beckons.
I had always thought that the EFDSS library & archive would be the place but the shambles there beggars belief!


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Subject: RE: A repository for your music pictures...
From: Tony Rees
Date: 20 Apr 24 - 02:54 AM

Another from the archive:

The Battlefield Band at Cambridge 1985

(I put up a more distant version of this a year or several back, this one is zoomed in a bit and "improved" courtesy of newer photo enhancement algorithms now available, for a price!!)

- Tony


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Subject: RE: A repository for your music pictures...
From: Tony Rees
Date: 15 Apr 24 - 03:03 AM

Here's another - especially if you like big balalaikas!

Musicians of Russian Tall Ship "Pallada", Hobart, Tasmania, 1991


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Subject: RE: A repository for your music pictures...
From: Tony Rees
Date: 14 Apr 24 - 03:56 PM

And here are Gilly Darbey & Keith Donnelly from the group "Waterfall", Joe Stead's Birthday Party, Well Hall Open Theatre, London 1992...


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Subject: RE: A repository for your music pictures...
From: Tony Rees
Date: 06 Apr 24 - 02:43 AM

Another one has slipped out, overlooked in the rush! It shows the London dance Troupe "Paddington Pandemonic Express" (or Paddington's, not sure) at the 1985 Chestnuts Folk Day. Link and possibly additional info towards the end of this mudcat thread:

Mudcat: Paddington Pandemonic Express

Cheers - Tony


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Subject: RE: A repository for your music pictures...
From: Tony Rees
Date: 04 Apr 24 - 01:57 AM

OK, this is the last batch I have made available for public viewing / downstream use! (for now anyway)... the remainder in my holdings do not come up to scratch for whatever reason - fail aesthetically (composition wise, performers not looking their best), near duplicates of ones already posted, or subject matter just personal/local interest only (friends, neighbours, non-professional colleagues on the folk scene...). Hope you have enjoyed sharing this trip with me down memory lane revisiting events of 40-odd years ago!!

John Martyn + cameraman, Leeds Festival 1983

John Martyn, Leeds Festival 1983 (detail)

Shagpile (Dave Burland, Robin Garside + others), Leeds Festival 1982

Shagpile (Dave Burland, Robin Garside + others) - detail of dancers, Leeds Festival 1982 - Sue Sheridan, Mary Garside, Jane Garside

Chris & Joe While, Leeds Festival 1983

Dick Gaughan, Farnham Folk Day 1985

Mike Silver + audience, Trowbridge Festival 1985

Left Luggage (band) + dancers, all day danceathon, Porchester Hall, London, April 1985

John Kirkpatick & Sue Harris, Well Hall Open Theatre, London 1982

Arizona Smoke Revue, Well Hall Open Theatre, 1982 (different shot from one uploaded previously)

The Easy Club (group), Trowbridge 1985

As before, to view a summary of all the files I have uploaded over the last 8(!) years, you can go to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Tony_1212#Music_related_2 and just scroll through, or alternatively make use of Wikimedia Commons' "search by uploader" facility, although this will show all the uploads I have made (not just music ones), plus a few files of others that I have modified where needed: Uploads by Tony Rees ("Tony 1212") (most recent are shown first).

Regards to all- Tony


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Subject: RE: A repository for your music pictures...
From: Tony Rees
Date: 26 Mar 24 - 02:36 PM

Continuing the trawl through the previously unprinted pictures... for your possible interest and enjoyment:

At the 1982 Leeds Folk Festival:

Clannad on stage - full view

Clannad on stage - detail

Clannad on stage - different shot

Clannad on stage - Máire Brennan

Elsewhere:

Albion Band 1983, Holland House - another image (with the Albionettes)

Robin & Barry Dransfield on stage, Leeds Festival 1983

Regards to all - Tony


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Subject: RE: A repository for your music pictures...
From: Tony Rees
Date: 22 Mar 24 - 02:24 AM

Well, another batch of images seems to escaped the archive:

Wizz Jones at Norwich 1981 (a second, probably better shot)

Crows (Mick Ryan, James Patterson, Ralph Jordan, Dave Bordewey), London 1983

Iona (Gordon Tyrrall, George Ormiston, Dave Bulmer), Leeds Festival 1982

Stan Gordon with Diz Disley and Dave Hatfield, Essex Festival 1981

Stan Gordon 1981 (another image)

Enjoy, comments / feedback very welcome...

Regards - Tony


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Subject: RE: A repository for your music pictures...
From: Black belt caterpillar wrestler
Date: 10 Mar 24 - 02:58 PM

Dick,
I should ask Peter Trimming if he ever took any of you as he was getting into photography more at the time that you were performing as the quartet.
It might be a false lead but you never know.

Robin


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Subject: RE: A repository for your music pictures...
From: Tony Rees
Date: 10 Mar 24 - 01:49 PM

Just as a follow on, your post above (Dick) might prompt someone else to come forward who does have such photos (e.g. of the New Mexborough Concertina Quartet in action) and is prepared to share them by some means... I see from a separate thread that your quartet was playing clubs and festivals between 1984 and 1987, so I would wager that a few photos by attendees might well exist. Unfortunately I was never one of them; also I relocated to Australia by early '86 so my potential for overlap was cut short by that means.

Regards - Tony


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Subject: RE: A repository for your music pictures...
From: Tony Rees
Date: 10 Mar 24 - 06:45 AM

Sorry Dick, no and no. I did once share a house with Dave Townsend if that is anywhere near the right direction...


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Subject: RE: A repository for your music pictures...
From: The Sandman
Date: 10 Mar 24 - 06:05 AM

Any pictures of the New Mexborouch Concertina Quartet, or any duo with Richard Grainger


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Subject: RE: A repository for your music pictures...
From: Tony Rees
Date: 10 Mar 24 - 04:27 AM

OK, next batch now uploaded...

Dave Speight (UK blues artist), Leeds, 1978

Derek Brimstone is introduced by John the Fish, Norwich 1981

Derek Brimstone, Norwich 1981 (detail of above)

John the Fish, Norwich 1981 (detail of above)

Allan Taylor with Paul Metsers, Norwich 1981

Dave Peabody jams with Magpie (U.S. folk duo), Norwich 1981

Comments, reminiscences all welcome!

Regards - Tony


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Subject: RE: A repository for your music pictures...
From: Tony Rees
Date: 08 Mar 24 - 01:24 PM

Thanks, Ray! I also saw that guitar early on, in Chris' hands, and always thought it sounded really good. I took a separate "specially posed" pic of Chris holding the guitar at Norwich as well, sitting on a bank outside a Uni building. Unfortunately my camera at the time was not an SLR and when the photo was developed, I found I had the strap hanging down in front of the lens, almost completely obscuring Chris, though not the guitar!! So not a shot worth reviving, unfortunately...

Regards - Tony


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Subject: RE: A repository for your music pictures...
From: GUEST,Ray
Date: 08 Mar 24 - 04:28 AM

Hi Tony, interesting back story on the guitar Chris Newman is playing.

I remember it well from back in the day but it’s actually been for sale for several years Here

If anyone wants to hear it, listen to the intro to Fred Wedlock’s “hit”; The Oldest swinger in Town.


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Subject: RE: A repository for your music pictures...
From: Tony Rees
Date: 07 Mar 24 - 10:48 PM

OK, a few new uploads (!)...

John Leonard & John Squire - Norwich Festival '81

Shirley & Dolly Collins, Norwich Festival '78

Folk supergroup: John & Sue Kirkpatrick with Geoff & Penny Harris, Norwich '77

Martin Simpson in 1977, Leeds University FC, 2 images here and here

Fred Wedlock with Chris Newman, Norwich '78

Shropshire Bedlams (incl. John Kirkpatrick), Towersey 1980

Hope you enjoy... and yes, there are a few more to come :)

Regards to all - Tony


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Subject: RE: A repository for your music pictures...
From: Tony Rees
Date: 04 Mar 24 - 06:54 PM

PS you can get Wikimedia Commons to do a similar listing for my uploads - try this link. However please note that (1) not all my uploads are music related (I have a few other interests as well!), and (2) a (very) small number are not my originals, but either public domain sources, or files previously uploaded by others that are available for additional modification for minor improvements etc.

Regards - Tony


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Subject: RE: A repository for your music pictures...
From: Tony Rees
Date: 04 Mar 24 - 06:46 PM

Hi Sandra and Gargoyle...

A couple of things come to mind since my previous post...

1: Things on the internet are not as persistent as we might like to think (depends on server maintenance, fees to pay and many other things). So, it makes sense to go with the "big guys" who have a vested interest in keeping content on line, with minimal down time... just today I saw a report regarding scientific publications with DOIs (Digital Object Identifiers, that are intended to be permanent links to "something") saying (among other things):

"“Many people have the blind assumption that if you have a DOI, it’s there forever,” says Mikael Laakso, who studies scholarly publishing at the Hanken School of Economics in Helsinki. “But that doesn’t mean that the link will always work.” In 2021, Laakso and his colleagues reported2 that more than 170 open-access journals had disappeared from the Internet between 2000 and 2019."

and

"“Everybody thinks of the immediate gains they might get from having a paper out somewhere, but we really should be thinking about the long-term sustainability of the research ecosystem,” Eve says. “After you’ve been dead for 100 years, are people going to be able to get access to the things you’ve worked on?”"

(Full news article at More than 2 million research papers have disappeared from the Internet)

Also - some folks might be interested to know that Sandra (as per post/s above) has already uploaded some of her photos to Wikimedia Commons, as suggested at the start of this thread - you can find her list here .

Onwards and upwards, and thanks for the comments - Tony


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Subject: RE: A repository for your music pictures...
From: GUEST,.gargoyle
Date: 04 Mar 24 - 06:16 PM

It has always been my position that ANYTHING posted to the net becomes "public domain."

The history of "Chilling Effects" now "Lumina" (check wiki of course) has the wonderful twisted fate of Pandora's Box and trying to cling to a fist full of sand.

For current lyrics it was my #1 source.

Sincerely,
Gargoyle

Tony - you should be teaching a university, journalism course ... based on your "Ambient Findability" alone.


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Subject: RE: A repository for your music pictures...
From: Sandra in Sydney
Date: 04 Mar 24 - 05:29 PM

not a rant, just sharing of info!


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Subject: RE: A repository for your music pictures...
From: Tony Rees
Date: 04 Mar 24 - 01:32 PM

Out of interest... just noticed while uploading an image:

Wiki Loves Folklore 2024

Perhaps they have been reading this mudcat thread (only joking).

I did check, and while images of "folk festivals, folk dances, folk music, folk activities, folk games, folk cuisine, folk wear, folklore, and tradition, including ballads, folktales, fairy tales, legends, traditional song and dance, folk plays, games, seasonal events, calendar customs, folk arts, folk religion, mythology etc." are all in scope, I think most will be more colourful, and full of action, than mine...

Nevertheless I am still going back through my files and adding the odd one previously overlooked - latest is here (Kathryn Tickell in 1985, a second image). If you click on "more details" it takes you out to Wikimedia Commons where the image actually resides, or use the back arrow at the left hand side to see other images I have uploaded to date. I have finally figured out a way to re-digitise some of my old negatives at home as well, which means that I can improve the quality (overwrite with better copies) of some previous uploads, as time is available...

If this thread reads unduly like self promotion, I apologise! My main interest is in getting a subset of the images I have taken over the years, out into the public domain for others' interest and potential re-use (and to be archived somewhere without myself needing to be in the loop for ever), and pointing out its potential value for other folk to adopt as a mechanism if interested - I see *loads* of pictures around the net in the form of "here is a nice picture I have taken", but not that many (in the present context) uploaded to public repositories such as this one. (rant over...)

Cheers - Tony


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Subject: RE: A repository for your music pictures...
From: Tony Rees
Date: 28 Feb 24 - 01:19 PM

OK, a few more uploads: Frances Gilvray & Mick Burke, Mr Gladstone's Bag (John Watcham & Mike Bingham Clifton), and Telephone Bill + The Smooth Operators (another shot), from Norwich and Cambridge Festivals, 1977... but getting to the end of the cupboard now - go to Gilvray & Burke Cambridge 1977 and click right (or left) if interested...

Frances & Mick (aka Fran and Mike these days) are still active on the UK folk-blues scene, not sure about the other parties involved!!

Regards Tony


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Subject: RE: A repository for your music pictures...
From: Tony Rees
Date: 19 Feb 24 - 01:32 PM

I missed this bit (the site is in Australia, but I think the principle applies generally): "Australian law also gives protection to performers whose performances are captured in film or sound recording. If you are recording a performance, it is necessary to obtain permission from the performers, whether students, staff, or guest artists."


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Subject: RE: A repository for your music pictures...
From: Tony Rees
Date: 19 Feb 24 - 01:30 PM

Bottom line, quote from QUT Copyright Guide | Recording live performances: "When you make a video or sound recording of a performance of a work, you are reproducing the work. This particular form of reproduction is called a 'mechanical reproduction' of the work and requires permission from the copyright owner."


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Subject: RE: A repository for your music pictures...
From: Tony Rees
Date: 19 Feb 24 - 01:18 PM

Maybe also the arrangement, as per "trad arr." - for example possibly Bert Jansch's guitar part for "Blackwaterside", subsequently re-used by Led Zeppelin's "Black Mountain Side" - not sure whether there was ever any legal claim there, or whether any such might have succeeded. Just sayin, as I think "trad. arr." may give the "arranger" some royalties as well (or perhaps not!).

- Tony


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Subject: RE: A repository for your music pictures...
From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 19 Feb 24 - 07:03 AM

From (fading) memory, a performance of a song for legal purposes has four parts:

* The words, which can be copyrighted;
* The melody, which can be copyrighted (sometimes by a different entity);
* The chord sequence, which cannot be copyrighted;
* The performance, which attracts performance rights.

(For a recording, there's also "mechanical" rights.)

Jazz musicians often made use of the third clause to produce something new(er) with fresh improvisations on top, without attracting copyright fees by using the original melody. I remember hearing one recording* where they intended to do just that, but accidentally drift into playing said melody, at which the producer starts calling out "Hey, hey"; then they stop, and start again as intended.

* Bonus marks for naming the offending band, and the original tune.


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Subject: RE: A repository for your music pictures...
From: Tony Rees
Date: 18 Feb 24 - 12:56 PM

Hi Peter,

Photos of an artist in performance are the copyright/ownership of the photographer, not the artist, so the situation is simple.

Performance recordings (audio and/or video) are subject to different copyrights as well, most notably those of the composer of the material - who may well have assigned it to their publisher- (unless it is public domain), the performer/s of the material, and possibly the arrangers as well (not sure about that). For commercial use permissions need to be obtained, and normally money would change hands. For non-commercial use e.g. sharing via youtube, the same still applies, although youtube seems to have negotiated some "back door arrangements" whereby the content can remain online so long as it is not monetised (alternatively they can take it down). That is the legal situation at the present time as I understand it; different countries have different laws but I think in general they have the same principles.

So if I record my mate singing a Michael Jackson (or maybe Ralph McTell) song and put it on youtube, even if my mate is happy with that, Jackson/McTell's publishers might come after me either for money or with a Take Down notice. Or they might let it go through to the keeper. The fact that I made the recording is probably the least significant portion of the equation; however again, if someone later reproduced it without my permission, I might have rights, unless I have relinquished them of course.

I do have a few "historic" recordings of bands/artists in concert from 30-40 years ago that I have put on line as "cultural artifacts" but am aware that the artists concerned might request their removal, which I would then have to comply with. But normally I do request permission. In these cases the default is that the artist has written their own material (or it is trad/public domain) so no other composers/music publishers are involved, however as you can see from the above there are still potentially issues e.g. a record company might complain...

Whether this will continue to be an issue indefinitely I cannot say (I guess everything might enter public domain eventually after the passage of XX years, or re-use laws might change)...

So yes, sharing/publicly depositing photos is easy (the photographer is in control), audio and video much less so... Regards Tony


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Subject: RE: A repository for your music pictures...
From: GUEST,Peter Laban
Date: 18 Feb 24 - 06:04 AM

The copyright of the music resides with the artists/writers but you created the videos and recordings so you have the rights over those.
Isn't that how it is?


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Subject: RE: A repository for your music pictures...
From: Sandra in Sydney
Date: 18 Feb 24 - 05:53 AM

we look forward to future contributions


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Subject: RE: A repository for your music pictures...
From: Tony Rees
Date: 17 Feb 24 - 04:23 PM

Sandra: all of the above I guess, thanks for asking! Actually not all of my music stuff will be archived, since audio and video copyrights rest with the performers and composers, not with the taper, so unless relevant permissions are obtained, some of that stuff remains dormant, at least for now. Then of course, one day we will all be gone, hopefully leaving something accessible for those that come after :)


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Subject: RE: A repository for your music pictures...
From: Sandra in Sydney
Date: 17 Feb 24 - 03:28 AM

& when your music archives are all archived, what then?

back to scientific stuff, or maybe going to lots of concerts to build up a new archive?


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Subject: RE: A repository for your music pictures...
From: Tony Rees
Date: 17 Feb 24 - 12:08 AM

Hi Sandra, all - OK, I found a few more... Palangi (Australian Christian/world music group), Dave Peabody with Magpie (U.S. folk duo), The Easy Club (Scotland - listening to them as I write!!), Wizz Jones (UK), Derek Brimstone (UK), David O'Connor (Australia) - in case of interest! Palangi and David O'Connor are still frames off videos, currently available only in my home collection unfortunately, so not the highest quality, but maybe still worth "archiving". Regards - Tony


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Subject: RE: A repository for your music pictures...
From: Tony Rees
Date: 29 Jan 24 - 02:27 PM

Lang Johnnie More wrote:
>I think the dancer on the right was the group leader, and her first name was Barbara - could be wrong though.

Yes - Barbara Slater on right, who supplied me with the other info a while back - cannot remember the medium now though (email, Facebook or other...)

Cheers - Tony


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Subject: RE: A repository for your music pictures...
From: GUEST,Lang Johnnie More
Date: 29 Jan 24 - 04:05 AM

Enjoyed going through those photos, Tony. I can confirm that the musicians playing for the "Clann-na-Gael" dancers were brothers Pat and Andrew Knight. Andrew departed from us a few years ago, last I heard of Pat he was living on the Isle of Man. Funny how you remember some things. I have a publicity sheet somewhere of "Clann-na-Gael". I think the dancer on the right was the group leader, and her first name was Barbara - could be wrong though.
Many thanks.


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Subject: RE: A repository for your music pictures...
From: Tony Rees
Date: 27 Jan 24 - 04:35 PM

> From: GUEST
> Date: 27 Jan 24 - 04:27 PM
> Kieran Halpin's from Drogheda, not the UK.

Thanks guest! I guess I just added the tag "UK folk duo" on the Wikimedia upload because that is where I encountered him/them (with Tom McConville, and I never gave it further thought. I will adjust the caption there.

Cheers - Tony


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Subject: RE: A repository for your music pictures...
From: Tony Rees
Date: 27 Jan 24 - 04:30 PM

Hi Sandra,

I do have more in the back catalogue... but they are more like friends/local artists without much "notability" or general interest (myself included!), and/or multiple shots of which I have put the better ones up already, or technically/artistically not all that good. However I do occasionally do a return pass over my holdings to see if anything I previously passed over in fact merits a revisit... and/or grab a still frame from a video recording that I had kinda forgotten about (lots of those on the shelf, most revisited for digitisation but by no means all). So this is the main body of material I currently figure is good enough to be "out there", but it might be expanded slightly in the future...

Also if I go to any new performances I might take new images as well.

Cheers - Tony


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Subject: RE: A repository for your music pictures...
From: GUEST
Date: 27 Jan 24 - 04:27 PM

Kieran Halpin's from Drogheda, not the UK.


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Subject: RE: A repository for your music pictures...
From: Sandra in Sydney
Date: 27 Jan 24 - 02:24 PM

is this the latest, or do you still have lots left in the cupboard/hard drive?


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Subject: RE: A repository for your music pictures...
From: Tony Rees
Date: 27 Jan 24 - 12:27 PM

For reference - new photos uploaded since Feb 2020 include Mark Robson (Australia/UK), Russell Hibbs (Australia), Jyotsna LaTrobe and friends (New Zealand/Australia), Dan Kellaway (luthier - Australia), Keith Calton (instrument case manufacturer - UK), The Kipper Family (UK), Nic Jones (UK), Allan Taylor (UK), Kieran Halpin and Tom McConville (UK), Frances Gilvray & Mick Burke with band (UK), Bob Greenwood (UK), Kathryn Tickell (UK), Dave Swarbrick (UK) (twice), Jez Lowe and the Bad Pennies (UK), Judy Dinning (UK), Robin Dransfield (UK), Rosie Hardman (UK), The Matthews Brothers with Tony Wilson and Mick Doonan (UK), and Saffron Summerfield (UK). In case anyone is interested! All are freely available for re-use, just with appropriate credit. Some are not the last word in resolution, but could possibly be improved by re-scanning the original negatives if desired.

Regards - Tony


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Subject: RE: A repository for your music pictures...
From: Tony Rees
Date: 24 Jan 24 - 11:06 PM

Just bumping this thread almost 4 years after my last post to it - having uploaded a few more pictures in the mean time... currently sitting at just over 200 music-themed photos (folk and related genres) uploaded, plus another 100+ on other subjects. Wikipedia link as via my user page still as given above; clickable images go to their "hosted" (real) location on Wikimedia Commons).

Cheers - Tony


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Subject: RE: A repository for your music pictures...
From: Tony Rees
Date: 26 Feb 20 - 04:52 AM

A few more images uploaded (and some new ones taken) in the 12+ months since my last post on this thread - see here for full set at this time (or any other...)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Tony_1212#Music_related_2

- Tony


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Subject: RE: A repository for your music pictures...
From: Tony Rees
Date: 04 Dec 18 - 10:10 PM

Sorry, it is spelled Dicky. I knew him as Richard! - Tony


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Subject: RE: A repository for your music pictures...
From: Tony Rees
Date: 04 Dec 18 - 10:09 PM

And interesting, Peter, that despite living 12,000 kms apart we still have one subject in common (the migratory Dickie Deegan, pictured both in Hobart and in Miltown Malbay!)...


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Subject: RE: A repository for your music pictures...
From: Tony Rees
Date: 04 Dec 18 - 03:49 PM

Great photos Peter! Now all that is needed is for the Clare County Library to fix their server issue...


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Subject: RE: A repository for your music pictures...
From: GUEST,Peter Laban
Date: 04 Dec 18 - 10:19 AM

OK, checking further it turns out the Wayback machine hasn't archived beyond the thumbnails . Sorry about that.


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