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Subject: Lyr Add: OLD NAPPER From: harpgirl Date: 26 Dec 99 - 09:42 PM ...Hudson says..."Text secured by Mr. G.E. Bynum, Saltillo (Mississippi)from Miss Ila Long, Saltillo OLD NAPPER Old Napper was a good coon-dog Old Trailer was the same Old Napper beat old Trailer so bad It made old Trailer ashame Foddy a ling a ding Run about Napper, Ho! Foddy a ling a ding Run about Napper, ho! The raccoon's tail is ringed all around The possum's tail is bare The rabbit, has no tail at all But a little bunch of hair Old Tom cat was so fat He could not catch the mice He lost the fine-tooth comb And his head ran away with lice ...this is a charming song....harpgirl |
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Subject: Tune Add: OLD NAPPER From: Bruce O. Date: 27 Dec 99 - 02:06 PM Miss Mary Ila Long noted the tune from Mrs Theodosia Long. Chorus should start "O foddy ling a ding ling
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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Old Napper From: harpgirl Date: 27 Dec 99 - 04:50 PM ...Bruce O., perhaps the 1936 University of North Carolina Press,Chapel Hill edition is different than the 1937, 1971 editions you quote...thanks for the ABC...harpgirl |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Old Napper From: Bruce O. Date: 27 Dec 99 - 05:32 PM The titles are slightly different, and I don't have the one you quote. The 1937 issue was for the National Service Bureau, (WPA), and called the 2nd edition. Reprinted by Da Capo Press in 1977. {Original price, 25 cents) 45 songs with tunes. |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Old Napper From: Richie Date: 17 Aug 09 - 11:45 AM Hi, I'd like to find out about the origin of this song. Anyone? Richie |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Old Napper From: Richie Date: 17 Aug 09 - 12:02 PM Here's what I have on one page of notes: Poor Old Napper- Version 1 Brown Collection Poor Old Napper/Old Napper/Rise Old Napper Old-Time Fiddle breakdown and song USA; England ARTIST: from Brown Collection CATEGORY: Fiddle and Instrumental Tunes DATE: 1846 (Old Napper Rise); RECORDING INFO: OTHER NAMES: Old Napper; Rise Old Napper; Old Napper Rise; SOURCES: Brown; Scaborough; Hudson; Thede; Kuntz; Folk Index; NOTES: Kuntz give a brief description: Old‑Time, Breakdown. USA, Oklahoma. G Major. Standard tuning. AABB. See also Harvey Sampson's "Napper." Source for notated version: W.S. Collins (Pottawatomie County, Oklahoma) [Thede]. Thede (The Fiddle Book), 1967; pg. 102. A similar version found in Brown B was published in Folk-songs of Virginia: by Arthur Kyle Davis 1965 ("Old Napper came to my house") Collected by Miss Juliet Fauntleroy, of Altavista, Va. Contributed by Mr. HW Adams, of Altavista, Va. Campbell County The song is known as a minstrel song: Old Napper Rise-1846 I went down to New Orleans Didn't go to stay Laid my head in yellow gals lap Yellow gal fainted away Scaborough (1922) groups it with Jawbone songs: I went to old Napper's house, Old Napper wasn't at home. I took my seat by the pretty yaller gal And I picked upon the old jawbone. In many US versions the old-time song is about a dog, Old Napper. "In Specimens of Mississippi Folklore"ý by Arthur Palmer Hudson, Mississippi Folk-lore Society 1928 we have the lyrics (see version 4) to OLD NAPPER: 1. Old Napper was a good coon-dog, Old Trailer was the same; Old Napper beat old Trailer so bad It made old Trailer ashame The song appears in Brown under the title "Taffy was a Welshman." "Taffy was a Welshman," Roud #19237, is a traditional nusery rhyme with anti-Welsh lyrics that was published c. 1780 in England. Here's some info. Versions of this rhyme vary, among commmon versions is: Taffy was a Welshman, Taffy was a thief; Taffy came to my house and stole a piece of beef; I went to Taffy's house, Taffy wasn't in; I jumped upon his Sunday hat and poked it with a pin. Taffy was a Welshman, Taffy was a shame; Taffy came to my house and stole a piece of lamb; I went to Taffy's house, Taffy was away, I stuffed his socks with sawdust and filled his shoes with clay. Taffy was a Welshman, Taffy was a cheat, Taffy came to my house, and stole a piece of meat; I went to Taffy's house, Taffy not there, I hung his coat and trousers to roast before a fire. Origins and history The term "Taffy" may be a merging of the common Welsh name "Dafydd" and the Welsh river "Taff" on which Cardiff is built, and seems to have been in use by the mid-eighteenth century. The rhyme may be related to one published in Tommy Thumb's Pretty Song Book, printed in London around 1744, which had the lyrics: Taffy was born On a Moon Shiny Night, His head in the Pipkin, His Heels upright. The earliest record we have of the better known rhyme is from Nancy Cock's Pretty Song Book, printed in London about 1780, which had one verse: Taffy was a Welshman, Taffy was a thief; Taffy came to my house and stole a piece of beef; I went to Taffy's house, Taffy wasn't home; Taffy came to my house and stole a marrow-bone. Similar versions were printed in collections in the late eighteenth century, however, in Songs for the Nursery printed in 1805, the first signs of violence were evident, ending with: I went to Taffy's house, Taffy was in bed, I took the marrow bone and beat about his head. In the 1840s James Orchard Halliwell collected a two verse version that followed this with: I went to Taffy's house, Taffy was not in; Taffy came to my house and stole a silver pin. I went to Taffy's house, Taffy was in bed; I took up a poker and threw it at his head. This version seems to have been particularly popular in the English counties that bordered Wales, where it was sung on Saint David's Day (1 March) complete with leek wearing efigies of Welshmen. The image of thieving Welshmen seems to have begun to die down by the mid-twentieth century, although the insulting rhyme was, still sometimes used along with the name "Taffy" for any Welshman. A "NAPPER" is also a cheat or thief. "Poor old Napper" from Brown Brown Collection: 123 "Taffy Was a Welshman" The three songs entered here are clearly derived from the familiar Mother Goose rhyme about the thieving Welshman. What appears to he a Negro version of the first of the three has been reported from Mississippi (JAM. xxvui 141), and of the second from Vir- ginia ( I'", SV 167, TNFS 103); and the first stanza of our B corresponds to stanza 3 of another Virginia song (TNFS 166). A. 'I Went Down to Suckie's House.' Communicated by Professor M. G. Fulton of Davidson College, in 1915 or thereabouts. 1 I went down lo Suckie's house to get a cup of tea. What do you s'pose old Stickie had for me? Chicken feet, sparrowgrass, hominy, and tea. 2 I went down to Suckie's house and fell upon my knees And I like to laugh myself lo death to hear the turkey sneeze. B. 'Napper' Contributed in 1914 by C. R. Bagley of Moyock. Currituck county, as a fragment of what are "known among the Negroes as breakdowns." 1. Napper come to my house, I thought he come to see me. When I come to find him out He 'suade my wife to leave me. Chorus: Break down, Napper, hoo, hoo, Break down, Napper, hoo. 2 I went to Napper's house; Ole Napper sick in hed. I rubbed my hand across his head And killed ole Napper dead. 3. Goose chewed tobacker. Duck drinked de wine. Hog played de *cwards (chords), In de punkin vine. C. 'Old Napper.' Contributed by Phil Brandon of Durham. Not dated. I Napper went a-huntin'; He thought he'd catch a coon. And when his old dog treed He treed a mushy-room. Chorus: Poor old Napper, hoodie dinkey, hoodie dinkey. Poor old Napper, hoodie dinkey, ha! 2. Napper come to my house. I thought he come to see me. When I come to find out He was persuadin' my wife to leave me. *So in the manuscript. One supposes it should be "cyards." with the familiar Southern breaking of the vowel after palatals. It will be seen that this final stanza is a form of the jingle dealt with under the title 'Get Along, John, the Day's Work's Done' in the section on Bird and Beast Jingles. --------------- I don't get the connection to "Taffy Was a Welshman." Any other info, versions? The original minstrel lyrics? Richie |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Old Napper From: GUEST,Tom Bliss Date: 17 Aug 09 - 12:07 PM It's all about this banjo player... The 'rabbit with no tail at all' refers to his little known nickname (given to him by Muppitz of This Parish) "(Duracell) Bunny" (think late-night sessions.. who is still playing at Guinness Speed when all others have faded away?) 'Old Trailer' is, of course, the little-known nickname of a certain singer songwriter with a camper van aka 'trailer'. (The rest of that verse is sub judice at the moment). And in the last verse it should be written as it's usually pronounced: 'fine tooth-comb.' The thing is, it wasn't even his to loose. It was mine - and now I can't comb my teeth any more. See you all at Whitby maybe. |
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Subject: Lyr Add: POOR OLD NAPPER (from Michael Ismero) From: Richie Date: 17 Aug 09 - 12:26 PM Here's a link to Michael Ismero's version. Listen: http://www.michaelismerio.com/living_histDocs.html Here are the lyrics as best I could hear them: POOR OLD NAPPER (Fiddle: A and B parts; Part of A) Napper come to my house I Thought he came to see me Then I come to find out He wants my wife to leave me. CHORUS: Poor Old Napper Better get a home Poor Old Napper Better get a home (Fiddle: A and B parts; Part of A) He goes to his cabin He stays there no more My rifle shot came flying And laid him on the floor CHORUS: Poor Old Napper Better get a home Poor Old Napper Better get a home. (Fiddle: A and B parts; Part of A) Napper he had money laying And ladies so he said If I had stayed home last night I would have killed dead. CHORUS: Poor Old Napper Better get a home Poor Old Napper Better get a home. The theme of this version is similar to the original Old Napper, the theif who steals. Richie |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Old Napper From: Richie Date: 17 Aug 09 - 04:57 PM Hi, I'm particlarly interested in the 1846 lyrics to "Old Napper Rise" maybe titled Rise Old Napper. Anyone? |
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Subject: Lyr Add: Gougem Napper From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 17 Aug 09 - 06:00 PM GOUGEM NAPPER As sung by Wm. Chestnut and Boston Minstrels 1 When I lib'd in old Kentuck Ol Napper plaid me a trick He stole away my ole Banjo An' wid it he cut stick. Chorus: Gougem Napper, hit him Napper Gib him anoder bim Whar niggers Whar Why slap upon de shin. 2 O get me up in de morning early Put Towser on de track, But Napper got so far ahead Dat Touser turn rite back; Chorus Gougem Napper, hit him Napper Gib him anoder bim Whar Niggers Whar, Why slap upon de shin. Gouger Napper ... 3 Den I tell dis to ole Touser You must cotch him mighty soon For dis Napper am a rouser More cunning than a Coon. Gougem Napper ... 4 Den arter him we put again An' soon cum on his trail Found him playin' de ole Banjo Tume ob settin' on a rail. Gougem Napper ... 5 Ole Touser den he cotch him Whar his trousers day war slack QAn' de way de dog did shook him Was enuf to broke his back. Gougem Napper ... 6 Den he jump an' kick an' holler out His trousers day war thin But Touser warn't particular 'Bout takin' hold de skin Gougem Napper ... 7 Den I tolk de banjo from him And wid [it] I crack'd his crown I pull his hair and kick'd his shin An' left him on de ground. Gougem Napper ... Undated sheet music (c. 1850?) piano arr. Chas. Reps. Published by C. G. Christman, NY. Levy Collection. |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Old Napper From: Richie Date: 17 Aug 09 - 06:05 PM Curious?: Is it supposed to be: Gouge 'em Napper? R- |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Old Napper From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 17 Aug 09 - 07:47 PM I would think so, but 'gougem' in the sheet music. Not a well-written minstrel song. |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Old Napper From: Richie Date: 17 Aug 09 - 08:38 PM Thanks Q, Note that Touser, the dog, becomes Trailer in the Mississippi version above, and that Napper is a dog as well. Richie |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Old Napper From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 17 Aug 09 - 08:54 PM Towser is still around as a name for a dog, but the spelling 'touser' has disappeared. I have seen Napper applied to terriers, but the derivation may be different, and I think it comes from UK. There should be more minstrel versions out there. Anyone? |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Old Napper From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 17 Aug 09 - 09:42 PM "Rise Old Napper" is included in "The Early Minstrel Banjo," by Joe Weidlich. Elderly.com sells it. I have found only two lines- (Scarborough, On the Trail of Negro folk songs)
Rise, ole Napper, ketch him by de wool. |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Old Napper From: GUEST,Tyson Date: 10 Aug 16 - 08:21 PM My Grandmother lives in Sullivan County in Missouri and sang this version to us kids when we were upset ... Ol Napper went a'huntin Way late at night Old Man Coon jumped on his back And Ol Napper had to fight Cry Ol Napper hoodlee hoodlee hoo Cry Ol Napper hoodlee hoodlee hoo In this version, Old Man Coon is a big racoon that wants to fight and Old Napper is a hound dog that is howling/baying. |
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