Rick Astley anyone?

Subject: RE: Rick Astley anyone?
From: GUEST,Nick Dow
Date: 15 Dec 18 - 04:37 PM

No sorry can't go along with that. Give me Crudup every time.

Subject: RE: Rick Astley anyone?
From: GUEST,Tunesmith
Date: 15 Dec 18 - 03:59 PM

Well, of course, there was a huge amount of jealousy coming from the black musicians BUT by covering material by black artists, Elvis was responsible for raising their profiles.

AND, Elvis's cover versions were in no way inferior to the original versions. Different, yes, but not inferior; indeed, Elvis's cover versions of Arthur Crudup's songs are - to my ears - far superior to the original. As are Elvis's backing musicians.

Subject: RE: Rick Astley anyone?
From: GUEST,Observer
Date: 15 Dec 18 - 03:49 PM

On singers (Non-folk) there were two who stood out to such a degree that no-one has ever successfully covered their material - I am speaking of course of Frank Sinatra and Elvis.

Subject: RE: Rick Astley anyone?
From: GUEST,Nick Dow
Date: 15 Dec 18 - 03:40 PM

Elvis Hmmmmm! Have a look what Arthur Crudup had to say, and Big Mama Thornton. Little Walter was lowered into his grave broke and stabbed to death in a street fight while Elvis pocketed the money for 'My Babe', and gave a second rate vocal performance of the song. Ask yourself this question. If Elvis had been ordinary looking, how far would he have got on his singing alone? He would have been a footnote in popular music.

Subject: RE: Rick Astley anyone?
From: GUEST,Tunesmith
Date: 15 Dec 18 - 03:26 PM

Here we go again BUT Elvis is the real deal whereas Tom will always be the guy from Wales who sounds like he comes from somewhere in the States. BUT, he does it very, very well.

Subject: RE: Rick Astley anyone?
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 15 Dec 18 - 03:16 PM

Elvis v Tom Jones...???

well.. both equally respected and enjoyed in our house...!!!

Subject: RE: Rick Astley anyone?
From: GUEST,Tunesmith
Date: 15 Dec 18 - 03:14 PM

Elvis is/was a fantastic singer!
His white contemporaries couldn't hold candle to him, and his range of material, in many ways, made him more interesting - back in the day - than almost any other singer.
One thing that I would say is that you had to be there to really appreciate how good Elvis was. But don't just take my word, just listen to what John Lennon, Buddy Holly, Bruce Springsteen. Phil Ochs, Bob Dylan, Robert Plant.... had to say.

Subject: RE: Rick Astley anyone?
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 15 Dec 18 - 02:21 PM

some members of Take That are starting to look more like folksingers than even most folksingers...???

Subject: RE: Rick Astley anyone?
From: GUEST,Nick Dow
Date: 15 Dec 18 - 01:53 PM

Interesting that one. Various artists had a go at singing in their own accents. Chas and Dave (I met Dave a while ago and chatted a bit about singing) Ian Dury who also couldn't sing a note, but knew it (and used it) coming a little more up to date Lily Allen didn't do a bad job on some numbers, however with the exception of Chas and Dave it never really worked for me. If you are going to play American music and you're a Brit, settle for mid Atlantic. Dave Burland does it all the time. Getting back to Rick Astley I really quite enjoy his later material, that said I wouldn't go out and buy it. I found it quite liberating as possibly Dave the Gnome did, to free yourself from all musical prejudice, and listen to everything afresh. You discover some quite interesting musical ideas that way. I'll forget Folk for a minute, and just list some singers who are excellent and some who are not in my opinion. On the plus side Boy George, Matt Monroe, Anthony Newly, David Bowie, Paul Rodgers, Minnie Ripperton, Arthur Brown, Grace Slick the already mentioned (above) Cass Elliot and Karen Carpenter and our Rick are great singers and in my hall of fame.
On the other hand Mick Jagger, Van Morrison, Badly Drawn Boy, John Lyden, Barry Maguire, Elvis Presley (I don't care!!) P.J. Proby, Cilla Black, spring to mind as ranging from the average to horrible.
Not that they or anybody else could care less what I think. Well it passed some time and allowed me to avoid 'Strictly' on the box.

Subject: RE: Rick Astley anyone?
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 15 Dec 18 - 09:52 AM

You mean a bit like an Irishman pretending to be from the US Deep South?

Subject: RE: Rick Astley anyone?
From: GUEST,Tunesmith
Date: 15 Dec 18 - 09:45 AM

Of course, to spoil the party, isn't he surely just another Brit "singing American". his speaking voice is so far removed from his singing voice, that he comes across as a sort of Impressionist.
There really should be a title for these UK singers. They could be classified as tribute artists. The " tribute" is this case referring to American pop/rock singing styles.

Subject: RE: Rick Astley anyone?
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 15 Dec 18 - 09:29 AM

I'm not a fan of VM either - nasally, fake, boring.

There, I said it and I don't care!

Subject: RE: Rick Astley anyone?
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 15 Dec 18 - 09:13 AM

I thought I was the only person who thought Ivan [ Van ] Morrison was just a shouter, bloody awful IMHO.

As for Rick Astley, who he ?

Dave H

Subject: RE: Rick Astley anyone?
From: GUEST,Nick Dow
Date: 15 Dec 18 - 05:13 AM

I like good singers. I love Cass Elliot, Karen Carpenter and my age group of popular singers. Rick has come into his own in the last ten years. There used to be a graffiti campaign against him in the 1970's 'Dickey Boy Astley' scrawled on his posters. The there was the disrespectful 'Rick Rolling' campaign. The man can sing and deserves his success. Here's a controversial one for you then. Van Morrison can't sing a note, and doesn't (as a singer). I'll just get my coat.....

Subject: RE: Rick Astley anyone?
From: fat B****rd
Date: 14 Dec 18 - 08:20 AM

Love "Cry For Help"

Subject: RE: Rick Astley anyone?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 14 Dec 18 - 05:29 AM

One man's fish is another man's poisson. Shack earn ah son goot an' all that. But, to me, he'll always be Rick Ghastly. Oddly, I've just endured the beastly Gary Barlow picking one of Rick's songs on Desert Island Discs. I'm sure Rick's a luvly feller, but you can keep his singing.

Subject: RE: Rick Astley anyone?
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 14 Dec 18 - 03:51 AM

I've been a Rick Ashley fan ever since I saw him at the Manchester Arena doing the support spot for Peter Kay two or three years ago, so you're not alone Dave!

He was excellent that night, and this new single is great. Thats me 'outed' - let the brickbats fly, I don't give a FF! ;-)

Subject: RE: Rick Astley anyone?
From: Jos
Date: 14 Dec 18 - 03:42 AM

Not for me, sorry. You can enjoy it without me.

Subject: Rick Astley anyone?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 14 Dec 18 - 03:29 AM

Yes, I know I may have lost it altogether, but I really like this song. Not seen the video before and found it wonderfully self deprecating.

Rick Astley - She makes me

Yes, I also know it is not folk by any stretch of the imagination, but does that matter if it is enjoyable?

Watch it. Enjoy it or hate it. I am just coming out of my Rick Astley closet...

:D tG