BS: Get rid of President Trump.

Subject: BS: Get rid of President Trump.
From: skarpi
Date: 21 Dec 18 - 05:31 AM

I know this is a sensitive matter , but I have a question , what is Trump going to do with 22 thousand military people in US ? what´s coming ..if not how is he going to pay them all after the time abroad ? Or is some thing going to happen in the Middle East , why so hurry to bring them home ? what is Israel doing , and then it´s this , he has time till midnight tomorrow to get this done https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6516379/Trump-says-not-sign-Democratic-legislation-doesnt-perfect-border-security.html


I am just wondering around in my mind , I guess Trump is to involved to Israel , so they won´t take him out , as they did to Kennedy in the past , but I wonder why Republican party is putting up with that man .

but this is just my wonder´s ....

have a great Merry Christmas .
all the best .

Subject: RE: BS: Get rid of President Trump.
From: Donuel
Date: 21 Dec 18 - 07:02 AM

Your English is so good now it is creatively unique and thought provoking.
Your freedom of speech is more free than it is for the rest of us.

Subject: RE: BS: Get rid of President Trump.
From: skarpi
Date: 21 Dec 18 - 07:32 AM

Sorry my English is a little poor. Yes I live in a free country
and so do you or at least that is what US are telling the rest of the world unless that is a fake statement .

Subject: RE: BS: Get rid of President Trump.
From: Iains
Date: 21 Dec 18 - 07:35 AM

It could be he is finally reacting to the fact that US troops in both Syria and the Yemen are there in defiance of International Law. Syria is proving to be a step too far after destroying Libya and Iraq.

Subject: RE: BS: Get rid of President Trump.
From: Iains
Date: 21 Dec 18 - 07:38 AM

A thought provoking article.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/03/opinion/american-troops-yemen.html

Subject: RE: BS: Get rid of President Trump.
From: SamStone
Date: 21 Dec 18 - 08:23 AM

how many times can one vote...

Subject: RE: BS: Get rid of President Trump.
From: Donuel
Date: 21 Dec 18 - 09:27 AM

In the US we are not free to discuss the assassination/killing of a President even symbolically. Kathy Griffin was in a photo of her holding the severed head of Trump and faces charges up to and including life in prison.

Subject: RE: BS: Get rid of President Trump.
From: Jos
Date: 21 Dec 18 - 09:40 AM

I'm imagining all those troops 'home for Christmas' and then ...
spread out along the Mexican border.

Subject: RE: BS: Get rid of President Trump.
From: Jeri
Date: 21 Dec 18 - 09:57 AM

Kathy Griffin is still selling "Fuck Trump" merch, including Christmas ornaments. She's doing OK these days, but had a rough patch.

If someone shoots Trump, we get Pence. Maybe better, maybe not. The incoming Congress will be able to control him somewhat, and some of the Republicans may be growing a spine, even if it's only out of a sense of self-preservation. I don't see that we have any realistic option but to hang onto our hats for the next couple of years, and hope the toddler doesn't blow up the world.

Subject: RE: BS: Get rid of President Trump.
From: Donuel
Date: 21 Dec 18 - 10:07 AM

In an illegal attempt to ban asylum immigration the administration claims they do not have the resources to process any more immigrants.

An asylum application must demonstrate two things to satisfy this requirement: The applicant must show that the reason the persecution that is being done is because of being in one of the five protected grounds (race, religion, nationality, political opinion, or membership in a social group).

Applicants must have many documents including passport, national identity cards birth certificate and more.

Soon applicants will have to prove with documents that they are persecuted for all five factors. Victims of violence, murder and domestic abuse need not apply because they are automatically denied entry.

Subject: RE: BS: Get rid of President Trump.
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 21 Dec 18 - 10:32 AM

Mueller is lining up enough evidence that hopefully will take out both Trump and Pence as illegitimate. 2019 will be the year of President Pelosi.

Subject: RE: BS: Get rid of President Trump.
From: Jeri
Date: 21 Dec 18 - 10:39 AM

They're going to tray to shut down Meuller, and I don't know what happens if they do that. Obstruction of justice charges? How does that happen? I think what Trump is trying/doing involves too many lower layers and organizations to be successful. It WILL work long enough to make some people's lives miserable, tear families apart, and kill the odd 9 year old girl.

Nobody is better off now. (Except rich people.)

Subject: RE: BS: Get rid of President Trump.
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 21 Dec 18 - 11:01 AM

Maybe. I just wanted to lob out the pleasant term

President Nancy Pelosi

Subject: RE: BS: Get rid of President Trump.
From: skarpi
Date: 21 Dec 18 - 11:23 AM

When I say ( take out Trump as a President I don´t mean that he should be killed ? and I don´t understand why ) when I say it I mean that he have to stand down from office , killing him is not going to solve anything at all .

just give the office away Mr.Trump you are not a man to be a President , just go to you r own office there you can say in the TV you are fired .

all the best .

Subject: RE: BS: Get rid of President Trump.
From: j0_77
Date: 21 Dec 18 - 11:46 AM

Senator Lindsey Graham S.C. is one voice opposing bringing home US Syria/Afghanistan troops. Too a lot of senior politicians are against it, both dubmblecrats and rebublicans. I think losing General Mattis is a really bad idea, because he is a rock of solid common sense.

So yeah. too far is too dangerous to international peace.

Subject: RE: BS: Get rid of President Trump.
From: Joe Offer
Date: 21 Dec 18 - 12:19 PM

I like the sound of that: President Nancy Pelosi. Too many Democrats believe the Republican campaign to smear her, and that's a shame. She's a good woman.

Subject: RE: BS: Get rid of President Trump.
From: keberoxu
Date: 22 Dec 18 - 06:59 PM

Well, President Trump is not forever.
He can't even do what FDR did, and serve four consecutive terms --
not allowed anymore.

The question remains, when he finally leaves the Oval Office,
what else will have been taken down?
Will this still be one nation, under who knows what,
or will US society be well and truly in pieces?

With the departure of Mattis,
the New York Times reports that
the rest of the world sees the USA in an entirely different way.
As in, "you don't get to have it both ways..."

Subject: RE: BS: Get rid of President Trump.
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 22 Dec 18 - 07:15 PM

The next president is going to have to fix a lot of stuff as they move forward. And fix it so well that another despot can't come in and enrich himself and his family like some of the worst faux-democracies or dictatorships around the world. Legislate the transparency of finances, taxes, etc. and make it law that a blind trust must be established.

Subject: RE: BS: Get rid of President Trump.
From: robomatic
Date: 22 Dec 18 - 11:27 PM

The damage inflicted on the Republic by the Current Occupant is offset by the rank incompetences of himself and his chosen ones.

Every time I contemplate the potential loss of President T---- (I really can't finish that by typing) I am deflected by the logical next step: President Pence.

Beware

Beware

Beware

Just as the schadenfreude of losing such f---wits as Spruitt and Zinke might usher in more effective exponents of the same damn philosophy.


(good to know you're still there skarpi, I hadn't noticed your postings for some time)

Subject: RE: BS: Get rid of President Trump.
From: Joe Offer
Date: 23 Dec 18 - 12:05 AM

When is it that the Old Congress leaves office and the New Congress takes over? The 20th Amendment says that the new Congress takes office on January 3, and the President on January 20. That means the boys can come back after Christmas and do a little more damage before their terms expire....

Subject: RE: BS: Get rid of President Trump.
From: Donuel
Date: 23 Dec 18 - 10:03 AM

The old Congress will not be in session again.

In May the Trump military parade will be attended by many dozens of fanatic supporters and will not be compared to the Hitler parade after destroying the Treaty of Versailles, but rather the 2016 inauguration which was huge beyond belief.

Subject: RE: BS: Get rid of President Trump.
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 23 Dec 18 - 01:52 PM

Pedant strikes again: Roosevelt didn't in fact serve four terms. He just got elected four times.

It strikes me the whole idea of an executive President is a pretty daft idea. It seems to work out far better having a ceremonial one like many countries do. Then if they turn out to be crazy it doesn’t really matter too much. And it doesn’t,t see to make any difference if a ceremonial head of state is elected or hereditary either.

Subject: RE: BS: Get rid of President Trump.
From: robomatic
Date: 24 Dec 18 - 01:05 AM

McG of H:
Isn't that a distinction without a difference? For every ceremonial position there is a power position, and that is all one needs to be crazy in.

Or are you arguing that a crazy PM is easier to deal with in a Parlee-alimentary Structured Government?

For all I know, that may be true.

Subject: RE: BS: Get rid of President Trump.
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 24 Dec 18 - 06:35 AM

why get rid of him.

doubtless they would replace him someone just as awful.

Subject: RE: BS: Get rid of President Trump.
From: keberoxu
Date: 24 Dec 18 - 11:20 AM

Ah, one of my most vivid memories of taking a university course
in some category of government history.

The subtle and wry professor presented the paradox with the polish
of someone who presents it every term, rain or shine. He said:

The majority of first-world countries have a head of state and they have a head of government, and they are two different people with two different jobs.
For example, the constitutional monarchy, which has a queen or a king, as the head of state,
and also has a prime minister as the head of government.
Another example,
the country which has a Madame le premier ministre, that is when le premier ministre is not male for a change,
and has a President who is the head of state.

You know what's odd, the professor said?
The United States only has one individual as
both head of state and head of government.
The other first-world countries aren't like that;
the other countries that have one individual doing both functions
tend to be dictatorships

--pregnant pause:
"But that doesn't mean anything."
Swift change of subject,
and I sat there, in the back of the classroom,
with red lights flashing in my mind's eye.

It rings ominously true today.

Subject: RE: BS: Get rid of President Trump.
From: Mr Red
Date: 25 Dec 18 - 05:08 AM

Remember the old Chinese curse? May you live in interesting times

So what did YOU do to warrant this?

Subject: RE: BS: Get rid of President Trump.
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 25 Dec 18 - 06:56 AM

Or are you arguing that a crazy PM is easier to deal with in a Parlee-alimentary Structured Government?

Precisely. Getting rid of a PM is pretty straightforward. Getting rid of a President is a lot harder.

Also, if a ceremonial Head of State goes crazy like Trump, it wouldn't really matter too much. Likely enough it wouldn't even be noticed, and if it was it'd probably be seen as just amusing, though some people would object to being embarrassed.

Subject: RE: BS: Get rid of President Trump.
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 25 Dec 18 - 12:25 PM

took over ten years to get rid of Thatcher, and Trump is a model of common sense and restraint compared to that bugger.

everything seemed to start getting better the minute she resigned ....NI, the economy, international relations...

Subject: RE: BS: Get rid of President Trump.
From: SamStone
Date: 25 Dec 18 - 02:00 PM

"model of common sense and restraint" ... So, Big Al or anyone else of higher intelligence than mine please explain what or who this is in reference to ... am i thinking of another person named trump? thanks in advance, can't wait to read this. meanwhile, back under my rock ... Merry Christmas to all.

Subject: RE: BS: Get rid of President Trump.
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 25 Dec 18 - 02:45 PM

Thatcher was frighteningly sane. But skewed. She was fixated on a vision and stuck to it. Trump goes off in any random direction according to which side of the bed he got out of.

Subject: RE: BS: Get rid of President Trump.
From: keberoxu
Date: 25 Dec 18 - 03:07 PM

everything IS relative, is it not!

"a rock of solid common sense," says one opinion on this thread,
referring to the General nicknamed "Mad Dog."   

"a model of common sense and restraint," says one opinion, however sardonically, on the television celebrity whose apprentice successes included the late Joan Rivers
and who "fired" Omarosa Manigault-Stallworth as she was then.

The previous post did not use the words
"impulse control"   but that is how I sum up the opinion of Trump
in the post before this one.
And I agree about Thatcher being fixated and stuck.

One more thing:
I want Hilary Rodham Clinton to stay alive and well.
We need her and we need her working for us, and working hard.
For that reason I don't want Mrs. Clinton in the Oval Office --
she would never survive mentally, even if she survived physically.
But then,
I agree with that chestnut opinion, which I won't say correctly,
that anybody who wants the Oval Office job
has to be out of their heads anyhow.

Subject: RE: BS: Get rid of President Trump.
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 25 Dec 18 - 05:18 PM

To be honest I think Thatcher felt like a nightmare, an unfolding nightmare. And the madder she got - the more her followers (and there were millions,   of them. many of them with impressive degrees, - all the tags of civilisation and education) loved it.

I felt she changed our country into county hell. And the strange thing is - all the people from our class living in our part of the country felt the same. and we all voted out in the referendum - because although Thatch pretended to despise the EEC, she used its regulations to flatten the bastions of union power - the car, the mining, the steel, the rail industry. utter arsehole!

she was like that all the time - she used to pretend to want stuff, like the reintroduction of capital punishment. even though she must have known it would have sent the NI situation off into the stratosphere.

I see Trump as a bit of a swaggering villain. But compared to Mrs T, he seems guileless.

Subject: RE: BS: Get rid of President Trump.
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 25 Dec 18 - 08:47 PM

The thing, as soon as enough of her supporters in parliament decided she was a liability, they were able to dump her almost overnight. It would be a damn sight harder for their opposite numbers in the States to do that to Trump, even if they felt that way about him.

Subject: RE: BS: Get rid of President Trump.
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 25 Dec 18 - 09:02 PM

well , let's say he wins two terms. that's eight years.

they'll get shut of him three years faster than we did of Thatcher.

Subject: RE: BS: Get rid of President Trump.
From: The Sandman
Date: 25 Dec 18 - 11:57 PM

his vice president is just as bad in a different way

Subject: RE: BS: Get rid of President Trump.
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 26 Dec 18 - 02:57 AM

It's not about Trump being evil. It's about him being crazy.

Subject: RE: BS: Get rid of President Trump.
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 26 Dec 18 - 03:13 AM

we're all bad in different ways. its called original sin.
nothing to do with religion - just an accurate observation.

Apart from Jayne Torvill - she was angelic.

Subject: RE: BS: Get rid of President Trump.
From: SamStone
Date: 26 Dec 18 - 11:08 AM

the vice pres (the lump) looks like he may flog himself with nettles daily...

Subject: RE: BS: Get rid of President Trump.
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 26 Dec 18 - 11:11 AM

"original sin." Bollocks.

And Trump is bad in lots of ways.

Subject: RE: BS: Get rid of President Trump.
From: Donuel
Date: 27 Dec 18 - 02:27 PM

What is bad is the limited and type of knowledge Trump relies upon. He is a cash flow investor of a small family business compared to the big boys like Marriot and large Casinos. He also believes that for him to win demands there is a loser. Humiliation is an unneeded part of his business equation.
This does not bode well for foreign policy or Allie formation. It also allows for corruption, lying and bribes to be part of his business model.

Subject: RE: BS: Get rid of President Trump.
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 30 Dec 18 - 11:06 AM

Excellent resolution for the new year - Get Rid of Trump. Let's make it happen. Vote any time you have the opportunity and write to your representatives. Join groups like the ACLU that light a fire under him for unconstitutional activity.

Subject: RE: BS: Get rid of President Trump.
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 30 Dec 18 - 05:47 PM

2019 will be a year of note
no more for nitwits will we vote
This year we will not miss the boat
Said he, with a Trump in his throat.

Subject: RE: BS: Get rid of President Trump.
From: keberoxu
Date: 31 Dec 18 - 02:54 PM

And so the US enters the New Year
with the federal government shut down.

Subject: RE: BS: Get rid of President Trump.
From: John P
Date: 31 Dec 18 - 05:39 PM

Too bad Trump didn't get sent home like all the federal workers he screwed over.

Subject: RE: BS: Get rid of President Trump.
From: Donuel
Date: 02 Jan 19 - 10:41 PM

The economic insult from the Trump shutdown hits us tomorrow. The obvious sights of the shut down has already hit the eyes and noses of the public in the form of public restrooms which have overflowed and crusted over at certain government facilities and all National Parks.
Shit happens.
Also rescue crews are grounded and visitors who encounter accidents and injury must save themselves.

Trump is proud to call this shutdown a Trump shutdown and will not blame Democrats who caused this mess. :^\

Subject: RE: BS: Get rid of President Trump.
From: Kim C
Date: 03 Jan 19 - 09:29 AM

Trump is awful.

Subject: RE: BS: Get rid of President Trump.
From: Donuel
Date: 03 Jan 19 - 09:50 AM

He made a Game of Thrones comparison by having himself put on a poster displayed on the table in his cabinet meeting.

I should remind him he is much like Cersi with the hair color, cruelty and is also suspected to be heavily invested in incest as well as being a compulsive consummate liar. Also he doesn't seem to know that the GOT WALL was completely destroyed in the last episode allowing the rebel army of the dead access to civilization.

Subject: RE: BS: Get rid of President Trump.
From: Donuel
Date: 05 Jan 19 - 08:09 AM

No one could fix this shattered man
to learn or help him understand
Now a shut down has prevented all
rescue when he fell from his wall.

Subject: RE: BS: Get rid of President Trump.
From: EBarnacle
Date: 06 Jan 19 - 10:27 PM

The real issue with the shut down is that it costs Trump nothing personally. By transforming it into a zero sum game the side that blinks loses. He has nothing to gain by compromising.

Subject: RE: BS: Get rid of President Trump.
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 07 Jan 19 - 07:13 AM

Trump either doesn't understand trade, or deliberately misrepresents it. A couple of days ago he was saying that if tariffs stayed in place, "China will be paying us lots of money". Wrong Donald, the tariffs are on imports, it is American consumers who will be paying lots of money. Tariffs are a direct tax on consumers.