BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 07 Jul 19 - 07:03 AM

So British Justice is bent i favour of left wing politics and anti-racism?
Tell that to the families of Blair Peach, Stephen Lawrence, and every other victim of their institutional racism (self description)
At least this has dragged you kicking and screaming out of your "I'm no Tommy Robinson fan"
You made a great issue of obeying the law when it was suggested that survivors of the Grenfell fire be housed temporarily in empty private property - you accused Corbyn of having contempt for the law when he made the suggestion
Now, it appears, you hold the laws you advocate for in contempt if they don't suit your particular brand of politics, while at the same time, suggesting it is unsafe to imprison hard working and upstanding fascists in with Muslims because they might murder him (with the aid of the prison services, presumably)
You really are a child of the New Britain Brexit, aren't you
Thank you for the picture of what a 'Britain standing on its own feet' has in store for us - and keep it coming
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 07 Jul 19 - 06:53 AM

Any good news on Brexit - the Topic of this thread?

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 07 Jul 19 - 06:24 AM

The facts are:
1)Tommy Robinson was arrested tried and convicted in 5 hours.(A record for efficiency or premeditation?)
2)He was first jailed in Hull (Moslem percentage 7% of inmates)
3)He was then moved to a prison with a Moslem population of30%(why would the authorities do that I wonder?)
4)On appeal the conviction was quashed.

In May 2018, Robinson was sentenced to 13 months of jail for contempt after live-streaming outside a criminal trial, in violation of reporting restrictions. However, the court of appeal quashed the contempt finding, freeing Robinson after only two months of his sentence. The case was then referred to the attorney general, who stated that it was in the public interest to bring fresh proceedings. Robinson claims that the action against him is politically motivated.

These events raise several questions that should make a rational person think.
1)Is TR gaining too big an audience?
2)Did the authorities act with unseemly haste?
3)Did his move to a jail with a large Moslem population occur through happenstance or was it deliberately engineered? and if so, what was the intent?
4)Is he being pursued because he is a "Far right activist or drawing attention to Moslem grooming gangs? The latter being something the Authorities cannot deny, yet cover up and obfuscate whenever possible.

IF a political motive is not behind the two prosecutions of Tommy Robinson pulling my other leg will reveal it is masquerading as a morris dancer.
The issues raised go far beyond mr robinson. In some ways the issues resemble those surrounding Mr Assange insofar as all is not what it would seem.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 07 Jul 19 - 05:54 AM

"ittle jimmie still troublemaking! "
The feller who said I was a "troublemaker" also got around to calling me "Little Jimmie" (and the rest of us "kiddies")- you seem to run in packs
You openly supported a racist criminal - you really need to 'stand by your man' before the cock crows thrice if that's what you believe
So Muslims are likely to be murderers
Gets better and better, this Brexit thing
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 07 Jul 19 - 05:46 AM

There is one person on here who causes more trouble and has more posts deleted than everyone else put together. And it isn't Jim.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 07 Jul 19 - 05:17 AM

little jimmie still troublemaking! If mods hint you have a problem, perhaps you should listen. Mods suggests more than one and there are not that many.
I keep saying that my support of Tommy Robinson extends only to his receiving the same equal treatment under the law as anyone else. I must have corrected your lies at least half a dozen times on here. Still you deliberately misrepresent what I say. Are you stupid, or merely picking a fight as usual? You are a disgrace and this forum is a far happier place without you.

I see the left revealing their true colours by wishing that TR be incarcerated in a prison with a large Moslem component. Obviously too much of a wimp to state the obvious that it would likely result in Tommy Robinson being attacked or even murdered. To make such a statement is utterly disgusting. Do all you lefties think the same way?

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 07 Jul 19 - 03:59 AM

"The usual pack of lies off little jimmie. Go look for a fight elsewhere and behave yourself on this forum. We do not need it!"
You most certainly do not need it but, as you speak for no-ne and most people tend to ignore you, it doesn't matter too much

You have had your defence of Robinson put up and you continue to deny it
Robinson is a racist criminal that has been banged up for his criminal activities - what he stands for goes though Brexit like "Blackpool" goes though rock
That cannot be said enough - it is destroying the UK and stands to spread like a malignant disease

"little jimmie"
I've had moderators use belittling terms like that - they make themselves as small as you are, and the long-gone individual you stole it from
Still not impressed
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 06 Jul 19 - 02:24 PM

...and whinging about the court case being political.

Isn't it lovely to see the crows coming home to roost.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 06 Jul 19 - 02:03 PM

Hopefully Yaxley-Lennon will serve his time in a prison with a large Muslim population. And don't deny it Iains, you were posting links to a petition to free him.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: DMcG
Date: 06 Jul 19 - 12:22 PM

A comment by Steve over on the Leaderahip reminded me that the Brexit Party announced it was going to launch a legal challenge to the Peterborough result. According to the Fiancial Times "The Brexit party’s challenge must be submitted to the High Court within 21 days of the election being held, by June 27."

Was it submitted by the date?

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 06 Jul 19 - 11:19 AM

"Tommy Robinson being allowed to join ukip and thereby destroying the remaining credibility of ukip."
Which is why you pushed his petition around and described his arrest as "Orwellian"
Your value here is that you represent the extremist right who lurked in the shadows and refuses to support the causes you represent
Methinks neo speaks with forked tongue - your history displays what you stand for - have the bottle to stand by it

The usual pack of lies off little jimmie. Go look for a fight elsewhere and behave yourself on this forum. We do not need it!

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: DMcG
Date: 06 Jul 19 - 03:40 AM

From The Press Gazette:

An Open Democracy journalist has won the right to see tax-funded research produced by Jacob Rees-Mogg's European Research Group after an 18-month Freedom of Information battle.
Jenna Corderoy appeared in front of the First-Tier Tribunal in May to argue there was public interest in seeing the documents because of the Conservative ERG's "significant influence" and role in shaping Government Brexit policy.
The Independent Parliamentary Standards Authority is now due to publish the ERG documents by 11 July.

This could be very informative.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 05 Jul 19 - 08:41 PM

"Tommy Robinson being allowed to join ukip and thereby destroying the remaining credibility of ukip."
Which is why you pushed his petition around and described his arrest as "Orwellian"
Your value here is that you represent the extremist right who lurked in the shadows and refuses to support the causes you represent
Methinks neo speaks with forked tongue - your history displays what you stand for - have the bottle to stand by it

"Ann Wiiecome - failed thatcherite who dyd here hair
Who gives a toss what a supporter of Pinochet's friend thinks !!!
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 05 Jul 19 - 08:41 PM

"Tommy Robinson being allowed to join ukip and thereby destroying the remaining credibility of ukip."
Which is why you pushed his petition around and described his arrest as "Orwellian"
Your value here is that you represent the extremist right who lurked in the shadows and refuses to support the causes you represent
Methinks neo speaks with forked tongue - your history displays what you stand for - have the bottle to stand by it

"Ann Wiiecome - failed thatcherite who dyd here hair
Who gives a toss what a supporter of Pinochet's friend thinks !!!
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 05 Jul 19 - 05:40 PM

Strange - it was you and the Widdecombe harridan I was referring to.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 05 Jul 19 - 05:32 PM

Mad as a box of frogs. Yes, that certainly describes the EU. That is why the sensible majority voted to leave

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 05 Jul 19 - 04:56 PM

Mad as a box of frogs.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 05 Jul 19 - 04:12 PM

The reality is that the largest political party in the EU is the Brexit party, formed in large part as a result of Tommy Robinson being allowed to join ukip and thereby destroying the remaining credibility of ukip.
But do not let facts get in the way of a good rant.

As to the reason for leaving here is a series of reasons from Rumour Mill News no less.


Anne Widdicombe

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 05 Jul 19 - 03:34 PM

"He has absolutely nothing to do with Brexit"
He, Farage and Kate Hooey address Brexit crowds outside of Parliament - scumbags like him are the products of Brexit, thriving on the prejudice and populism that gave Britain this mess
FAKE NEWS MAYBE!!!

Understandable to disown him, totally incomprehensible to lie about the obvious
Scum like Robinson ARE WHAT BREXIT IS REALLY ABOUT
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 05 Jul 19 - 02:00 PM

It doesn't matter how many times he might have separately said that the figure was gross, if he did.
I provided three video links above where the gross figure is both stated, and explained, with the uttermost clarity.

Sorry! It cannot be denied.

I wonder why Tommy Robinson is introduced into the thread? He has absolutely nothing to do with Brexit more to do with grooming from a certain ethnic group. Is it because you finally realise that fighting Brexit is a futile gesture? Is young Tommy introduced as a poor distraction subject?

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 05 Jul 19 - 01:37 PM

Play ‘Find The Soap’ time for Yaxley-Lennon then!

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 05 Jul 19 - 01:12 PM

Tommy Robinson, star of stage, screen and Brexit, has been jailed for contempt of court
"Orwellian" - eh what !!
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 05 Jul 19 - 04:54 AM

It wasn't even right as a gross figure. The rebate never leaves the country, it is an amount which reduces the gross figure. Whether I agree with the rebate is another matter,I would rather that more of mytax money went to help the poorer regions of Europe.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 05 Jul 19 - 04:49 AM

We were taught at our Catholic grammar school that there were different kinds of lying, and that an important one was lying by omission, which has the intent to deceive. What was daubed on the bus is a classic example of that. It doesn't matter how many times he might have separately said that the figure was gross, if he did. The bus was the tabloid headline-catcher, as it was intended to be, and the word "gross" was nowhere to be seen.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 05 Jul 19 - 04:40 AM

The figures on the bus were gross, as Boris pointed out numerous times.
Check the link provided previously and below

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWhwzCuHfAo&feature=youtu.be&t=283
and

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7AZJfodiVU&feature=youtu.be&t=80
and here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wY3RznQSBfw

There was no lie, no deception, as clearly seen with the proof from the horses mouth.
The prosecution was politically motivated, vexatious and without substance.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: DMcG
Date: 05 Jul 19 - 03:59 AM

Someone is really not getting the concept that lying is about the intention to decieve.

The figure on the bus is intended to create a misleading impression of the amount of additional money that will be available to the UK. Quoting gross rather than net is precisely the issue.

We all have our opinions on the figure on the bus. Nothing is to be gained by debating it further.

On the other hand an understanding of the readiness of Boris Johnson to mislead is relevant, but rather more in the 'Leadership'thread.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 05 Jul 19 - 02:37 AM

Not only does it not include the rebate, it doesn't include the money given to UK participants in valuable EU programmes such as Horizon2020 which no UK government would ever fund (it being a bit too complex for them), And quite frankly, I would rather my tax money went to Eastern Europeans trying to build their society up, than to ignorant people in sink areas of the UK trying to tear theirs down.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 05 Jul 19 - 01:35 AM

So there will be an extra £350,000,000 for the NHS! It must be true because Boris said so. And some people still seem to believe him. There's one born every minute ;-)

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Monique
Date: 05 Jul 19 - 01:34 AM

"The EU budget at a glance" U.K. 2017.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 04 Jul 19 - 05:35 PM

The figure on the bus is actually correct. As pointed out below it is the gross figure quoted because the rebate is an uncertain variable with no guarantees.

June 22 2016 Boris defending his figures:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=4&v=Vp2jUbNtNVA

UK Gross contribution to EU
2011       2012      2013      2014      2015      2016      2017
15,357    15,746    18,135    18,778    19,560    16,996    18,625
Weekly                                  376       326       358
Source HM Treasury

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 04 Jul 19 - 05:13 PM

What a surprise! NOT.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 04 Jul 19 - 04:55 PM

Quite right, DMcG. The judgement is complex, measured and considered, and the poster who referred to it, and to Staines' blog, has misrepresented it.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: DMcG
Date: 04 Jul 19 - 02:50 PM

I am not convinced all posters here have read that judicial finding carefully. At no point did it consider whether the claim on the bus was false. In fact, it goes to some lengths to point out that there are many false claims during campaigns. The question that they considered was whether Boris was acting in his capacity as mayor in making the claims, or not. Having decided not, the case falls because he was not 'acting as such' and therefore was outside the legal restrictions of the post. Nothing to do with whether Boris is a hero or villain, a good egg or a bad one.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 04 Jul 19 - 02:00 PM

A sad Billy-No-Mates, Raggy, his only means of getting hard-on by trolling an Internet forum. Just picture him sitting in his lonely room, tugging his todger in front of his computer screen....

Second thoughts, don't.......

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Raggytash
Date: 04 Jul 19 - 01:54 PM

What a sad case gentlemen.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 04 Jul 19 - 01:18 PM

The High Court has issued its final judgment on Boris and the bus and it makes many telling arguments against the laddie that tried to prosecute Boris. It starts by stating the magistrate should have quashed the attempt. The wheels were off this particular bus before the journey even started.
The full text brought to you via that excellent purveyor of accurate reporting MR Guido Fawkes:
https://www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/2019ewhc-1709-admin-johnson-v-westminster-mags-final.pdf
The judgement totally destroys the arguments on here submitted by the lefties and Boris has his reputation as a fine fellow restored, all buffed up and shiny again. A spiffing summary from the judiciary.
Will Halloween bring us Samhein and the attendance of the ghosts ofBrexit past or Brexit future? Will it be the beginning of a winter of discontent for valiant brexiteers or remainiacs?

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: peteglasgow
Date: 04 Jul 19 - 11:27 AM

i've just watched a film of a brexiteer MEP haranguing the parliament - comparing them to slave owners and such. also claiming to speak for britain. this brexit is far worse than futile = its ridiculous, deeply damaging and very embarrassing. they have no shame and no understanding that the fundamentalist no deal they crave would only represent at most a quarter of the views of our more aged and more closed-minded little englanders. sadly - this seems to include both the PM contenders. who will save us all from these eejits?

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 02 Jul 19 - 12:35 PM

This is a blog I read quite often, because I share a profession with the blogger, or did before I retired. Quite stunning similarity.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 02 Jul 19 - 12:28 PM

There are people around still fighting WWII in their own minds. Even though they were born years after it ended. And they seem to have forgotten that most of the French and the Polish were on our side. Its lunacy.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: peteglasgow
Date: 02 Jul 19 - 11:31 AM

Brexit Party - a futile gesture?

...and childish and embarrassing. Are there really people around who see the EU as our enemy? you can negotiate a deal beneficial to both parties if you remain on good terms. Or just remain.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Mossback
Date: 02 Jul 19 - 10:26 AM

And childish into the bargain.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 02 Jul 19 - 07:17 AM

I never sing during the national anthem. I never sing during anything. Anyone who ever heard me singing would know why.

But I would not turn my back on the national anthem, even of a country whose policies I profoundly disagreed with.

So "shameful, ignorant, disrespectful scrotes" is about the least you could say.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 02 Jul 19 - 06:26 AM

Brexit Party {{puke}} turned their backs on the playing of the EU Anthem - Beethoven’s ‘Ode to Joy’ - at the opening ceremony of the EU Parliament this morning.

Shameful, ignorant, disrespectful scrotes.

I won’t wait for howls of protest from the mob who bayed for Corbyn’s blood when he didn’t sing during the U.K. Anthem, even though he demonstrated respect by standing when it was played.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 01 Jul 19 - 08:03 AM

My time is far far too valuable to waste making futile attempts to cure other's peccadilloes.
Meanwhile:Jeremy Hunt has just given a speech on ‘No Deal’ preparations at Policy Exchange, setting out his ten point plan to leave. It is well known that Hunt campaigned for remaining in the EU in 2016, Hunt now says he accepts the outcome of the referendum and Brexit must be done. Today he is going further and says he wants to ramp up planning for no deal, yet even over the course of the last few months, he has repeatedly hit out at ‘No Deal’
Politician speak with forked tongue? Surely that cannot be so! Anything to get elected. Although I would say if Hunt is elected massive defections will occur to the Brexit party. With Boris this is less likely. Either way my runes suggest a General Electon is in the offing. On current polling the outcome of that is far from certain.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Raggytash
Date: 01 Jul 19 - 07:38 AM

Yet another example of "oh look over there" Iains, frankly a disgrace.

I am not anyone's keeper, if you have a problem with someone's post please address that person.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 01 Jul 19 - 07:33 AM

John Seymour (12 June 1914 – 14 September 2004) was a prolific early author in the self-sufficiency movement. He had multiple roles as a writer, broadcaster, environmentalist, agrarian, smallholder and activist; a rebel against: consumerism, industrialisation, genetically modified organisms, cities, motor cars; an advocate for: self-reliance, personal responsibility, self-sufficiency, conviviality (food, drink, dancing and singing), gardening, caring for the Earth and for the soil.
I can think of instances in his books where he would be liable for prosecution for the illegal burial of waste and possible contamination of water courses, although he masqueraded as an ecoloon. Having Q A'd
landfill sites all over the UK from initial construction phase to capping and subsequent gas gathering installations I take a keen professional interest in waste disposal.
Ragwort your time would be better spent instructing your little mate in the construction of links. It would help us separate fact from whimsy.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: DMcG
Date: 01 Jul 19 - 07:26 AM

And that the farmer who owns the fields, who probably voted leave like most farmers, receives massive EU subsidies. Crazy world, innit.

And who Hunt is now promising to insulate from their decision by making everyone donate a good part of £6billion to them. Ditto for fishermen.

Crazy world indeed.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Raggytash
Date: 01 Jul 19 - 07:11 AM

It is considered normal, at least amongst intelligent people, to place quotation marks around a quote and provide a source.

I presume you had an education, despite the limited evidence, and had you not used quotation marks and provided a source your work would be marked down. You may even be accused of plagiarism.

So no change there then.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 01 Jul 19 - 07:07 AM

Er, John Seymour was involved in agriculture for most of his life, actually, including long spells spent as a sheep farm manager in Africa, a smallholder-farmer in the UK, then later owning and working a farm in Wales and then in Ireland. Like lots of farmers do these days, he found ways of supplementing his income, largely in his case by writing. But before that he showed that it was possible to be self-sufficient on a five-acre parcel of land via good husbandry and diversity and by farming organically before it became fashionable. Others do B&B and holiday cottages, or stable horses, or make cheese, or open up farm shops or cafes. To suggest that he was not a farmer is utterly laughable. However, glad to see that you confirmed in your mind that around half of our barley production is fit only for animal feed. When you marvel at the fields of waving barley this month, reflect on the outrage underlying many of them that's hidden from view. And that the farmer who owns the fields, who probably voted leave like most farmers, receives massive EU subsidies. Crazy world, innit.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 01 Jul 19 - 07:02 AM

I am sure if you disputed the facts you would use google. Why should I link, others have no need to?