BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 28 Aug 19 - 06:38 AM

No need Mrrzy. Here is a link

Of course our brexiteers will say it is just project fear. Even though it is a leave favouring government that is saying it. C'est la vie.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 28 Aug 19 - 05:00 AM

"lets just have a far-right coup instead. "
Farage's 'Rivers of Blood'poster was the first giant step in that direction - now Brainless Boris is winding up for more of the same
Trump has already started the ball rolling across the Pond by telling Women Politicians got go back to their own countries - and mor significantly targeting the Jewish People - the silence from our own decent, Democratic Government on that one is deafening
AS PEGGY SEEGER SANG
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 28 Aug 19 - 04:57 AM

This news is that democracy has been abandoned. All the sanctimonious shit we've heard from leavers about respecting the democratic referendum decision - now this blatant ploy to shut out legitimate opposition. It's nothing less than proto-fascism. A million whited sepulchres are flying past the window.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Raggytash
Date: 28 Aug 19 - 04:44 AM

Isn't it great to see democracy (Johnson style) in action.

Even going as far as to openly claim the latest move is to prevent debate.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: peteglasgow
Date: 28 Aug 19 - 04:34 AM

what we must do is reclaim the sovereignty of the british parliament - oh, hang on - actually we can't be bothered, lets just have a far-right coup instead.

resist these clueless fascists in any way you can

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 28 Aug 19 - 04:31 AM

Corbyn has had the right scared stitless since his appearance on the scene - to misquote Billy Connolly, if you want to confuse a rightist, present him with a new idea based on principle and fairness.
Interesting to see YouGov's survey suggesting that the Tories would see their country and their party betrayed rather than lose Brexit, goes unchallenged - I suppose we take that as assent then

"the brainwashed ones..."
Generous of you to suggest there is an evidence of a brain
Jim

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 28 Aug 19 - 04:15 AM

Good to see the level of hysteria rising among the remainiacs as the clock continues to run down.
The latest cunning plan from those unable to accept the majority vote is to attempt to arrange a coup and usurp the government's role.
Steptoe senior, the most toxic political figure in the land, is having none of that though. Even the church is getting involved. The game plan seems to be squabble, squabble, toil and trouble. I suspect Carey has just ignited a fuse under the Church of England that he will learn to rue.
The two sides of the divide are quite simple to understand:
Leave won the vote and all who support democracy accept that, no matter what side of the divide they inhabit.
A hardcore of remainiacs just cannot accept the will of the majority carries the day, whether it comprises a majority of one, a thousand, a million, ten million. That is the whole basis of democracy. Do they seriously think they can thwart the will of the majority. Sow the wind and reap the whirlwind. The remainiacs had better be aware that the level of rage that will surface should they frustrate Brexit will be of a level never seen in their lifetimes, Remainiacs are ready to risk all to ensure that their minority view prevails.

not often I link to the mail but the article below spells out the situation very clearly. Contrary to the impression gained on Mudcat, Brexiteers won the referendum clearly and unequivocally. Endless bleating from the vociferous on here and their continual attempts to silence all opposition change the facts not one iota. Very clearly the remainiacs are attempting to subvert Democracy, no other explanation is possible.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-7400941/DOMINIC-SANDBROOK-Corbyn-rabble-alliance-dont-understand-democracy.html

ps continually questioning the validity of yougov polls is rather a wasted effort. Yougove adheres to the same rules as all the other major polling companies. If you attempted to understand my links you would know this. Continually attacking their polls is asinine. Howsabout arguing Tuesday is wednesday? a far more fruitful endeavour!

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 28 Aug 19 - 03:35 AM

From the London Economic.

Don’t have to look far on this thread to find the brainwashed ones...

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 28 Aug 19 - 02:37 AM

"YouGov is a Tory organisation,"
If the people's opinion counted a fiddlers fart to any of these clowns they would be asked to re-confirm their decision now that it has been exposed as the train-wreck it obviously is.
All we get from the politicians is "it's the peoples's choice and all we get here is a blanket of silence from the slightly more thoughtful Brexiteers, otherwise, the outpourings from Westminster's favourite self-confessed neo-Nazi blogger.
That's not what the people voted for
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 27 Aug 19 - 05:24 PM

http://www.britishpollingcouncil.org/officers-members/

Members (Company representatives)

    ......................
    Ipsos MORI — Simon Atkinson — 020-7347 3000
    ..........................
    Moonlight Research — Nick Moon — 07770-564 664
    Opinium — James Endersby — 020-7566 3197
       Populus — Andrew Cooper — 020-7253 9465
    Public First — Seb Wride — 020-3687 2761
    qriously — Abraham Muller — 07761-787 065
    Sky Data — Harry Carr — 07817-461 632
    Survation — Damian Lyons Lowe — 020-3142 7644
    YouGov — Anthony Wells — 020-7012 6000

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 27 Aug 19 - 04:24 PM

YouGov is a Tory organisation, Tory-founded, thoroughly Tory, thoroughly capitalistic. Now that doesn't mean that their polls are dishonestly conducted, etc. But there's a degree of dishonesty in that name. "Gov" doesn't half sound official, doesn't it? Just in case anyone thought that their data emanates from some official government setup. No such luck. Know thine enemy!

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Mrrzy
Date: 27 Aug 19 - 03:34 PM

Sorry about my link. Does anyone want to see the article? I am pretty sure I could paste it here in toto. Dog jokes ok.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 27 Aug 19 - 02:33 PM

and the people have never really taken Farage too seriously

I do like your little jest.

17.4 million voted for brexit(A resounding majority) 72,2% turnout. As compared with 73.3 in 1992 and 64% in the 1975 Referendum.
29 MEPs stood on a Brexit ticket outnumbering all others.(29/72 = 40%


More Abbacus mathemagic! Did young jimmy go to Hogwarts, or is he simply innumerate?
Have you ever considered verifying your nonsense before posting? It must require all of 2 minutes!

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 27 Aug 19 - 01:34 PM

In the light of Yougov's findibngs that the majority if Britain's Tories would happily dsse their party destroyed for Brexit, it's interesting to har that Corbyn is in conference with the SNP and the Lib Dems to form a coalition to stop a hard Brexit
Should they manage to agree, the Tory will have destroyed any chances they have of winning a raffle, never mind an election
I very much doubt if Fascist thug, Tommy Robinson will have got over his prison beating up to win too many hearts and minds and the people have never really taken Farage too seriously - WHO THE **** COULD ?
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 27 Aug 19 - 01:20 PM

THERE'S A GOOD TIME A-COMIN'
Look forward to that one
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 27 Aug 19 - 01:10 PM

message: a significant political, social, or moral point that is being conveyed by a film, speech, etc.

messenger: a person who carries a message or is employed to carry messages.
    synonyms:        message-bearer, message-carrier, postman, courier, errand boy/girl, runner, dispatch rider, envoy, emissary, agent, go-between, legate, nuncio, herald, harbinger

This not so subtle distinction has been pointed out innumerable times.
There is a legitimate reason some are labelled leftards!
Shall I point out the gyrations of some gruniard correspondents for you?

Here is another jolly jape indeed (from Guido, of course)
https://order-order.com/2019/08/27/majority-remainers-blame-anti-brexit-mps-causing-no-deal/
‘MPs who opposed Theresa May’s Brexit deal because they wanted to stop Brexit’ and those who ‘wanted a softer Brexit’, hilariously, would receive 57% and 58% of Remainers’ blame respectively.
Data from Yougov.

And another yougov poll
‘MPs who opposed Theresa May’s Brexit deal because they wanted to stop Brexit’ and those who ‘wanted a softer Brexit’, hilarious

New YouGov polling has quantified the intolerance and hive-mindedness of both Labour supporters and Remainers, showing that nearly 4 in 10 of both groups would be upset if their child married someone from the opposite camp – in comparison to just 1 in 10 vice versa. Turns out there is one sort of union Remainers aren’t a fan of…

You could not make it up. NEITHER DOES GUIDO!
I could go on, but I will spare your feelings!

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 27 Aug 19 - 12:26 PM

LEST WE FORGET
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 27 Aug 19 - 05:19 AM

Breaking news from the font of fact and veracity, the Guido:



https://order-order.com/2019/08/27/chances-new-deal-increase-post-g7/

I trust none of Maybot's reparations and surrenders are included

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: DMcG
Date: 27 Aug 19 - 02:22 AM

There is a meeting today of the opposition parties to plan the way forward. I suspect it is most likely to report progress but not be entirely conclusive because some of the leaders will want to take the suggestions back to their colleagues before fully committing themselves. If that is the case it may still be some days before an agreed plan is announced.

However it is also possible that today we hear no plan can be agreed. I think that announcement unlikely practice, but am certain that is how the Express and others will report anything other than a fully agreed plan announced today.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 27 Aug 19 - 01:02 AM

(1) In the event of no deal, will leavers guarantee the right of UK nationals the on going RIGHT to live, work, retire, study in mainland Europe?
(2) If they can't why do leavers believe the UK nationals should no longer have the RIGHT to live, work, retire, study in mainland Europe?
(3) If UK nationals will no longer have the RIGHT to live, work, retire, study in mainland Europe,why should people already living there who do not have full citizenship have preferential rights?

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 26 Aug 19 - 10:58 AM

Boris has brought a miraculous change to the political weather, as the Remainiac world order falls apart.
The story brought to you by the Torygraph that runs at a profit. Unlike the guardian kept afloat by misplaced charity and endless begging letters.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/08/25/boris-has-brought-miraculous-change-political-weather-remainer/?li_source=LI&li_
With Boris as PM and Nigel as the scourge of Brussels, perhaps the will of the people will carry the day, and Brexit will become a bastard child
at last! Nurtured by Valiant Brexiteers and to be abandoned as a foundling by callous remainiacs.
Tickety toc!

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 26 Aug 19 - 06:20 AM

That was a response to DMcG, obviously.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: DMcG
Date: 26 Aug 19 - 05:30 AM

And the EU has said, fair enough, if you do that we no-deal. Then the moment you come back asking for a trade agreement, we want the money that was negotiated before we even talk. And by the way, the French fisherman and many others will also to set prior conditions before starting to talk trade. And, also by the way, we have been making clear this our position for a few years now. This is not the EU punishing the UK. It it was the UK chose.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 26 Aug 19 - 05:09 AM

I see that Johnson is trying to use the divorce money as a weapon again. Well several things. First, the sum is now quite a bit less than £39 billion, possibly only £33 billion by now, because we didn't leave in March and the transactions done since then have lowered the sum. Second, we would be legally obliged to pay a considerable chunk of it, maybe eight or nine billion or more, whatever happens - even Downing Street has acknowledged that, and you can bet your life that the EU will see us in court for the rest. Third, any refusal to pay would completely sour future relations with the EU, our biggest trading partner by a country mile. Fourth, the EU will not talk to us about trade until we've paid, their position all along. These are the immovable objects and do not reflect any weaponising of the financial settlement by the EU. Boris isn't telling us any of that. He's still talking £39 billion up for grabs. Of course, being the stranger to the truth that he is, that's no surprise.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jack Campin
Date: 26 Aug 19 - 02:41 AM

Interesting comparison of Enoch Powell with the present gang. Kerevan is a Scottish Nationalist but seems a bit less pessimistic about England than most of us up here.

https://www.thenational.scot/news/17860170.boris-johnson-continues-racist-virus-spawned-enoch-powell/

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 25 Aug 19 - 03:32 PM

Tic Toc!

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 25 Aug 19 - 01:39 PM

I hope that Hillingdon Council receptionists have been adequately briefed on how to prepare for the personal onslaught they may face when people realise they work for the Council that contains Johnson's constituency. I will feel apprehensive living the neighboring borough even though we voted remain by an overwhelming margin.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Raggytash
Date: 25 Aug 19 - 01:34 PM

So Iains, once again you avoid addressing the questions put to you.

The government, led by Boris Johnson, commissioned a report on the possible consequences of the UK leaving the EU without a deal.

Yellowhammer if you care to recall.

The report by a government sponsored body was less than favourable, in fact it reported dire prognostications for the immediate future of the UK.

Today I linked to a report from University College, London. Once again you have studiously ignored that article.

If you are so sure of your "facts" why don't you enlighten the rest of us of just how great the UK is going to be post Brexit.

I'm sure I'm not alone in waiting.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 25 Aug 19 - 01:31 PM

May's red lines were not the will of the people
Johnson's blustering is not the will of the people

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 25 Aug 19 - 01:23 PM

As the clock runs down the remainiacs are getting increasingly hysterical and hoping we all die of starvation.

Totally unhinged the lot of them.
The first argument they raised to invalidate the referendum results was to argue older people voted for brexit and are dying offf wholesale and the lots of brainwashed lefties coming of age would vote to remain.Subsequently they have entirely lost the plot.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/08/24/rage-remainers-will-awesome-brexit-isnt-disaster-praying/


https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-leave-eu-remain-vote-support-against-poll-uk-europe-final-say-yougov-secon

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1169741/brexit-news-remainers-return-european-union-no-deal

I would just prorogue Parliament and watch the clock run out. I would have to get some super efficient earplugs to shut out the shouty lefties. I will get some popcorn in readyness to watch them all frothing.
Democracy demands Parliament respects and obeys the clearly stated will of the majority.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 25 Aug 19 - 01:05 PM

Yet another threat by the leave vermins' mouthpiece Johnson that he will withold UK's DEMOCRATICALLY agreed contribution to operational programmes. If he does that the EU will have only two choices - apply sanctions that will bring all UK s*** to its knees (I include myself as UK s***) or sieze and auction the homes and assets, holiday villas of the UK migrants still infesting mainland Europe. Alternative Johnson can shut his ignorant mouth and stop poking his nose into things that are none of his business. -Feeling a tad angry about Johnson opening its mouth again).

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Raggytash
Date: 25 Aug 19 - 06:13 AM

Yet another gloomy report of yet another potential financial hit to the UK economy if we leave the EU. This one is from University College London.

I defy any of our Brexiteers to claim they understood this ramification prior to voting 3 years ago.



UK as a data hub

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Raggytash
Date: 25 Aug 19 - 06:01 AM

So, let me get this right.

The government commissions a report from it's own people.

The report is duly put together to inform the government of the likely outcomes of a no-deal Brexit such as delays at ports, immigration delays, disruption of medical supplies, a shortage of some foodstuffs, the potential closure of two refineries etc etc.

The government should then, according to your somewhat skewed notion, ignore that very same document as "project fear"

What !!!!!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 25 Aug 19 - 04:17 AM

Dodgy dossiers and forecasts of massive destruction
( Michael Fish moments )
Economists have completely failed us. They’re no better than Mystic Meg
Lifted straight from the lefty bible the gruniard, so it must be stenciled on a Moses tablet

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jan/06/economists-economic-policy-brexit-crash-failure

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 25 Aug 19 - 04:03 AM

I referred to an OFFICIAL report created for the elected Government of our nation, commissioned by our elected representatives in order that they can plan for the future of the people of this country.

Yet one, at least, of our "brexiteers" deems it "project fear"

You illustrate the point I was making perfectly! Because a document is stamped official you take it as gospel truth. What part of contingency planning can you not understand?
Let me help you.

contingency: a future event or circumstance which is possible but cannot be predicted with certainty.
As an example let us consider the learned contributions of bankers and economists when forecasting the future event of Brexit. For added veracity I will point you towards two articles in the lefty rag the gruniard.
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/jan/05/chief-economist-of-bank-of-england-admits-errors
https://www.theguardian.com/money/2017/sep/02/economic-forecasting-flawed-science-data

I realise some of the concepts outlined may be a little too technical for your average lefty so I will summarize for you:

The forecasts of expert economists tend to be largely bullshit.

That you cannot appreciate these salient facts should be a concern for your mental capacity, not mine. So not so subtle digs as below are really not needed on this forum, although I do appreciate that when you have run out of arguments insults and bluster are all you have left.
I know we are not supposed to cast aspersions on the mental capacity of other poster but you have to ask the question

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: DMcG
Date: 25 Aug 19 - 03:38 AM

I have no idea how I failed to copy the heading I wrote on that last bit, so here it is now:


Although we got the last thread closed again, we seem to be doing better this time at avoiding getting into spats, so I will get back to posting more regularly over what seems likely to be a crucial few months. There will be lulls when I am away on holiday during early September, though.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: DMcG
Date: 25 Aug 19 - 03:30 AM

Now we seems to be in this somewhat fictious 30 day period to find a solution to the border problem, I think the EU should find an opportunity to make clear what is needed for an effective solution. (I say 'somewhat fictitious' because it has been written into every position statement and the withdrawal agreement that the backstop is cancelled if a solution is found, however much some parts of the media claim the PM has made some kind of breakthrough.)


Any border, hard, soft or technological, needs to achieve two things:

1. It need to permit goods and people who meet some rules to pass.
2.        It needs to prevent goods and people who do not meet those rules from passing.

Everything I have heard so far, like 'trusted trader schemes'. is about the first of those. No solution can be accpetable unless it also meets the second requirement: how does it prevent someone who tries to dodge the system crossing the border?

So it seems to me pointing out that both parts are needed for a solution before the PM turns up with a shiny folder stuffed with proposals that do not address the second would go some way to preventing Boris' obvious pitch to the UK "we presented lots of workable solutions and the nasty EU rejected them out of hand."

Now, I can't persuade the EU to do so. But I cab make this two-part requirement explicit here so none of our Brexiteers can simply say Boris's line: the UK brought lots of workable proposals but the EU rejected them. If they do, I will ask them how the proposals address that second requirement.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: DMcG
Date: 24 Aug 19 - 05:53 PM

I was talking with a group of friends last night, one (at least) of whom is a strong Brexit supporter. He said "No one has read the Withdrawl Agreement..."

Figure raised. "Er, I have.'

He stopped at once. Perhaps he was being polite, or perhaps the idea anyone would read such a thing unless it was their job stunned him...

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 24 Aug 19 - 05:15 PM

" but you have to ask the question"
Some of us think you don't Rag - not when it is so effortless that you have nothing to push against it
Why bother ?
Jim

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Raggytash
Date: 24 Aug 19 - 04:49 PM

Well, I've seen goalpost's moved many times on Mudcat and often in some very bizarre and tortuous manners and changes to threads.

What the **** a supposed US Government plan to "invade" Canada has to do with an OFFICIAL government report into the effects of Brexit is beyond me.

I referred to an OFFICIAL report created for the elected Government of our nation, commissioned by our elected representatives in order that they can plan for the future of the people of this country.

Yet one, at least, of our "brexiteers" deems it "project fear"

I know we are not supposed to cast aspersions on the mental capacity of other poster but you have to ask the question.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 24 Aug 19 - 03:36 PM

Isn't it strange how a GOVERNMENT sponsored report can suddenly become part of a fictional project fear.

No stranger than US plans to invade Canada(War plan Red)
Governments plan for all kinds of contingencies.
Only remainiacs regard the most extreme and unlikely scenarios as holy writ.
The rest of us get a little tired of endless permutations of the sky is falling. Just as well gullibility is not contagious, or requires incarceration. No doubt they also think coronation street is a documentary.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Raggytash
Date: 23 Aug 19 - 02:34 PM

Isn't it strange how a GOVERNMENT sponsored report can suddenly become part of a fictional project fear.

Makes you wonder just what the Government know about the future of Brexit .......................... and if they don't know .....!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 23 Aug 19 - 02:13 PM

If you believe the nonsense about yellowhammer/project fear, then I have a nice bridge I can sell you. One careful owner!

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 23 Aug 19 - 11:01 AM

OUR LOUT IN NUMBER TEN
Mkae ya proud to be British - dunnit!!
Jim Caaarroll

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Stanron
Date: 23 Aug 19 - 11:01 AM

The link only goes to an agree page and no further.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Mrrzy
Date: 23 Aug 19 - 10:41 AM

Interesting article y'all might not have seen... https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/08/brexit-yellowhammer-no-deal.html

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 23 Aug 19 - 05:05 AM

A nice long relaxing holiday helps pass the time. Less need for proroguing Parliament.
TIC TOC !

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: DMcG
Date: 23 Aug 19 - 02:03 AM

You should not forget that Trump is no fan of the WTO, and is unwilling to appoint a judge (Trump’s Search for Absolute Sovereignty Could Destroy the WTO)

So the idea we trade on WTO rules may collapse. The main reason we have to have the same tariffs for all countries is it is a consequence of WTO rules. But if we chose to breach those rules, it is not clear what could be done to prevent us. Sanctions of various kinds, certainly, but if the US and some other countries were prepared to ignore such sanctions they might not hold. The consequences for the world as everything collapses into a free-for-all on trade would be incalculable. But that would not dissuade Trump and probably not Cummings.

Not to mention Trump would be very happy for the UK to take the initial flak rather than the US.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 22 Aug 19 - 06:09 PM

So here's where we are. After three years and two months of sterile Tory failure, we have two months to go with politicians everywhere on summer holiday. Merkel sez backstop stays, end of. Macron sez backstop stays, end of. Johnson sez no deal with backstop. No backstop means almost certain border conflicts. Every economist worth their salt sez that brexit will be a disaster. There is no chance whatsoever of a trade deal with the US if we crash out without a deal leading to hard border, no backstop.

Beam me up, Scotty...

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 22 Aug 19 - 03:05 PM

It is hardly mocking napoleon macron to point out that his railways run predominantly on track from sunny Scunny's rolling mills(The industrial garden city.) This is a fact!

The contract was initially with British steel, then Cora and now Tata, and has been in existence since 1999. Up until the early 80s iron ore was mined locally mainly opencast and extracted up to nearly 5,000,000 tons a year. The last operating quarry the yarborough is named after the local landowner who has an estate nearby of only 113 square kilometers, or 27k acres)