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BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?

Raggytash 07 Jun 19 - 07:35 AM
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Raggytash
Date: 07 Jun 19 - 07:35 AM

Nicely avoiding my point which was that the margin of victory has INCREASED since the election of 2017.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 07 Jun 19 - 07:38 AM

The Brexit Party don’t seem to be above employing mathermagic either. Their bloke on ‘Politics Live’ at the moment trying to dismiss the Labour majority in the Peterborough election because it was ‘marginal’. Yet, when it’s pointed out to BrexShitters that their majority in the Referendum was marginal, their response is that it was ‘a significant majority’, and represents ‘the will of the people’.

These people really are not of this world, are they? Thankfully, they will never hold enough seats to form a government or, for that matter, be the largest opposition party in Parliament.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: DMcG
Date: 07 Jun 19 - 07:39 AM

Now May has officially stepped down it seems she can still peerage for the moment.

I had a slightly mad image of the bulk of the candidates to replace her being offered a seat in the Lords instead. I wonder how many would turn them down?


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: DMcG
Date: 07 Jun 19 - 07:40 AM

... still offer peerages...


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 07 Jun 19 - 08:02 AM

Cannot be bothered to paraphrase, so from another source:
"Ignore the Labour/Remain crowing and hubris over Peterborough. It's facile.

Labour won over TBP in Peterborough by just 2%. In Brexit terms of 3.78% that is below marginal. Time for a second Peoples Vote to make sure, eh?

Turnout was 48% and Labour's vote decreased by a whopping -17.2%. In reality Labour 'won' with a paltry 30.9% of 48% of eligible voters. Using 'Remain logic' that is a risible 14.8% of the electorate who voted for Labour. The anti-semite socialist represents less than 15% of the people there. More than 75% of the electorate did not want Labour to represent them.

On the other hand TBP, with no previous percentage to swing from gained a 28.9% swing in its favour from a standing start and without a manifesto! Not only did they relegate Tories to third place but were snapping at Labour's heels in what was probably a Labour import rigged election anyway. The outlook is sunny for TBP. For LibLabCon not so good. That is difficult for them to see with their heads planted firmly in denial"


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 07 Jun 19 - 08:08 AM

Rumour is that private prosecution of Boris thrown out by High Court.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Raggytash
Date: 07 Jun 19 - 08:14 AM

Doesn't alter the fact that the margin of victory has increased since the elections of 2017!!

To paraphrase one of your number "Labour won ......deal with it!"


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 07 Jun 19 - 09:46 AM

For an area where 60% of the voters voted to leave in the referendum I still think the less than 30% for the brexit circus (party gives them too much respectability) shows just how many people have now seen sense.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 07 Jun 19 - 10:15 AM

“Facts are stubborn things, but statistics are pliable.”
? Mark Twain


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: DMcG
Date: 07 Jun 19 - 10:39 AM

That reminds my of that joke about irregular parts of speech: I am firm, you are stubborn, he is a pig headed fool.

The level of misuse of statistics on the elections are quite prominent in the posts you gave, Iains.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 07 Jun 19 - 10:56 AM

”The anti-semite socialist...”

You mean “The alleged anti-Semite...”. As you are so fond of saying when the boot’s on the other foot, ‘innocent until proven guilty in a court of law’.

And, if she is proved to have made utterances that could be construed to be anti-Semitic, that makes her worse than the racist leader of the BP who posed in front of a ‘doctored’ photo of Syrian refugees fleeing torture, rape and murder, with the caption ‘Breaking Point - The EU has failed us’, because....what???


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 07 Jun 19 - 12:35 PM

The level of misuse of statistics on the elections are quite prominent in the posts you gave, Iains.

The vital difference being that I use remainer statistics to demonstrate the mathemagic of remainers trying to convince the sane that they won the referendum.
I look forward to seeing proof of my own misuse of statistics

You mean “The alleged anti-Semite...”. As you are so fond of saying when the boot’s on the other foot, ‘innocent until proven guilty in a court of law’.

A very brief search will uncover her own words that condemn her. It is very hard to refute the strong whiff of antisemitism within them.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: DMcG
Date: 07 Jun 19 - 12:56 PM

I look forward to seeing proof of my own misuse of statistics

You really don't.

It goes back to what I was saying that the crux of lying is intention to deceive. Any statistic reduces a complex set of numbers to a simpler set, often just a single number. So an honest statistic does so while making every effort to keep as much useful information as possible while discarding as little useful information as possible. A lying statistic, on the other hand, typically has a point of view in mind and discards inconvenient data as far as possible in order to get the result you wish to present. A classic example is whether to look at percentages, numbers or rates of growth. Many people pick which they like to enhance their view, while ignoring the equally valid statistics that don't suit them.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 07 Jun 19 - 01:01 PM

Nicely avoiding my point which was that the margin of victory has INCREASED since the election of 2017.
By number of votes, yes, marginally.
According to BBC the Labour vote share in 2017 was 48.1%, with Labour having a 1.3% margin over the Conservatives.
This is compared to 31% of the vote in the latest election. (from BBC, where the margin over the Conservatives had increased to 10%, but there was only a 2% margin over Brexit.
So the increase in the numerical margin was likely to be because the opposing vote was split.

You are not comparing like with like. The fact that the Labour vote share dropped noticeably to 31% suggests that they would be stopped dead by 'tactical voting'.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 07 Jun 19 - 01:05 PM

Rumour is that private prosecution of Boris thrown out by High Court.
Even The Guardian confirms that the summons has been quashed.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 07 Jun 19 - 01:28 PM

Good timing, Nigel. Just after DMcGs post saying

A classic example is whether to look at percentages, numbers or rates of growth. Many people pick which they like to enhance their view, while ignoring the equally valid statistics that don't suit them.

You do just that. Well done.

Just a reminder to all that anti-Semitism is nothing to do with brexit. Nor is it being anti Israel or pro Palestine. In this instance it is just a mechanism to divert attention from the abysmal performance of this government to deliver anything and the blatant racism of the nicotine stained toad and his minions.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 07 Jun 19 - 01:37 PM

”A very brief search will uncover her own words that condemn her. It is very hard to refute the strong whiff of antisemitism within them.”

So, how about your response to the actual question posed in the same post - repeated here to save you the trouble of looking back for it?

“And, if she is proved to have made utterances that could be construed to be anti-Semitic, that makes her worse than the racist leader of the BP who posed in front of a ‘doctored’ photo of Syrian refugees fleeing torture, rape and murder, with the caption ‘Breaking Point - The EU has failed us’, because....what???”


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 07 Jun 19 - 01:40 PM

A classic example is whether to look at percentages, numbers or rates of growth. Many people pick which they like to enhance their view, while ignoring the equally valid statistics that don't suit them.

You do just that. Well done.

In response to a post which did the same but from the opposite viewpoint. Which is what I was pointing out.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 07 Jun 19 - 01:42 PM

Nigel it was but rumour and hearsay when I posted. Confirmation came 5 minutes later.


You really don't.Oh but I do!    I await with baited breath(so to speak)

To put the by election result into remainer terms we can use a simple analogy for the proposed terms of a second referendum:

Leave with deal                Vote Tory
leave without deal             Vote Brexit Party
Stay in EU                        Vote Labour

If the vote is split between Tory supporters and the Brexit party unintended consequences occur, namely Labour shuffles in. It is a little simplistic because obviously as a local election with a 20%component of foreigners numerous factors come into play and Labour exploited this far better than the opposition,despite the new MP's controversial social media posts.

However for the Brexit party, that only came into being recently, to come a close second is a major achievement, no matter how hard you try to deny it. They came out of nowhere to take 29% of the vote.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 07 Jun 19 - 02:25 PM

So, how about your response to the actual question posed in the same post - repeated here to save you the trouble of looking back for it?

“And, if she is proved to have made utterances that could be construed to be anti-Semitic, that makes her worse than the racist leader of the BP who posed in front of a ‘doctored’ photo of Syrian refugees fleeing torture, rape and murder, with the caption ‘Breaking Point - The EU has failed us’, because....what???”


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 07 Jun 19 - 02:44 PM

https://www.politicalite.com/labour-2/exclusive-convicted-labour-vote-rigger-out-campaigning-today-for-labour-in-peterborough/

I wonder if the electoral Commissioners will be checking the validity of the postal vote (6000 according to some sources)

And, if she is proved to have made utterances that could be construed to be anti-Semitic, that makes her worse than the racist leader of the BP

Labour MP Lisa Forbes, who won the Peterborough by-election on Thursday, is facing a backlash from within the Labour Party after it emerged she had liked Facebook posts that were accused of being anti-Semitic.
namely: that Ms Forbes had liked a post saying Theresa May had a “Zionist Slave Masters agenda” alongside a video of children praying after the New Zealand terrorist attack.

In another comment she said she had “enjoyed reading” a thread claiming Islamic extremism was created “by the CIA and Mossad.”

Judge for yourself !


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 07 Jun 19 - 02:58 PM

No, I asked for your judgment. Man-up, stop wriggling like a belly-dancer, and answer the question.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Raggytash
Date: 07 Jun 19 - 03:32 PM

Nigel, thanks but I am fully aware of that. However as some of your cohorts like to "juggle" with numbers I thought, as a matter of balance, I could do the same.

I did say in my post "I think I will emulate the wild claims that are made by some posters." which should have given you some indication that my tongue was in my cheek.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 07 Jun 19 - 04:30 PM

No, I asked for your judgment

It is: does Bruin sh*t in the woods? The labour Party has a problem

The Equality and Human Rights Commission’s announced last week that it is to formally investigate Labour over anti-Jewish racism
https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2019/06/the-probe-into-labours-anti-semitism-gives-hope-to-britains-jews/

https://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/labour-official-s-bombshell-email-sparks-fears-party-tried-to-avoid-scrutiny-over-antisemitis

"Like her party leader she accuses the BBC of being “pro-Israel”, this is now a matter of course for Corbynistas. As recently as just a few months ago Forbes posted in an anti-Semitic hate group that talks of “Zionist rats”. The group itself posts content alleging the Jewish State has “improper influence” and “spends a fortune perverting our democracy”, promotes rallies organised by Hamas and proscribed terror group Palestinian Islamic Jihad."
Forbes has quietly deleted Facebook posts but they still exist. Forbes signed a letter to Labour’s NEC calling on the party to not adopt the IHRC definition of anti-Semitism in full…

"Labour MP Jess Phillips said despite Jeremy Corbyn’s party beating Nigel Farage’s Brexit Party to win the seat, “I cannot be gleeful or proud as I’d want to be because of how it shows that anti-Semitism is becoming normal in the party”.
Labour MP Wes Streeting echoed Ms Phillips’ views, adding he had not campaigned in Peterborough because he wanted to demonstrate a “zero tolerance” approach to anti-Semitism.

Labour former minister Dame Margaret Hodge said on Twitter: “Seriously mixed feelings about the Peterborough result. I never want to see Nigel Farage’s party in Parliament.“But Lisa Forbes and the Labour Party have a lot to answer for. We must learn lessons and never have a repeat of this. Have formally raised concerns with party leadership.”

The Jewish Labour Movement said Ms Forbes needed to go “far further” in her apology and condemned Party bosses for having “consistently failed to take a zero-tolerance approach to anti-Jewish hate”.
A movement spokesman added: “This has encouraged a culture to develop where not only is it acceptable for someone who has shared racist material and rejected the internationally accepted IHRA definition of anti-semitism to be a member, but they can advance politically and gain public office.”

I trust I have answered your query!


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Raggytash
Date: 07 Jun 19 - 04:39 PM

Anything positive to tell us about Brexit.............


perchance any good news .................????


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 07 Jun 19 - 04:53 PM

If you inhabited realtime you could answer your own question. This query has been dismissed a number of times as it relies on powers of divination in order to answer it. Sadly my chicken bones do not work for me. Perhaps they have been chlorinated!


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 07 Jun 19 - 04:55 PM

I trust I have answered your query!”

No, you haven’t. What’s more, you know you haven’t but, like a deceitful, cowardly barrack-room lawyer, you wriggle, run, and hide behind agenda-driven cut-and-pastes in order to deflect from, and avoid answering, the question.

It’s perfectly simple - do YOU regard the anti-semitism of which Lisa Forbes is accused as worse than, equal to, or not as serious as, the racism demonstrated by Farage in his poster showing him in front of a doctored photo of a line of Syrian refugees attempting to escape torture, rape, and murder, with the caption “Breaking Point - The EU has failed us”?

No hiding like a cringing coward behind cut-and-pastes of others’ words - your own opinion .

But, of course, we all know you have not the grace, the honesty, or the courage to answer.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: DMcG
Date: 07 Jun 19 - 05:15 PM

Back in my 'O' level English days, there were lots of questions of the form "Compare and contrast X and Y". An answer that went into X at great length but didn't mention Y would get an automatic fail for not answering the question.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 07 Jun 19 - 05:21 PM

Margaret bloody Hodge has a lot to answer for. She is one of the most serially disreputable and dishonest politicians we have. Go on, look her up. You really don't need allies like her, anti-Labourites. And she's my party...


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 07 Jun 19 - 05:44 PM

And it doesn't need mathermagic to realise that we won Peterborough with an increased majority in spite of a much-reduced turnout. Well, you seem to have fallen out of love with the system! And another thing: you told us remain voters to go suck it up. That we should expect to be ignored because we lost. That we have no say and should bloody shut up. You've had the numbers for this by-election, resident chewer of the sourest of sour grapes. Here's something for you to contemplate: I don't know of any constituency in the country which had more leave Labour voters than remain Labour voters. Stick that in your festering mathermagic pipe and smoke it. Last night stuffed the brexit party, and I think you know it. Farage is a serial loser, no position gained after seven attempts, and last night he abandoned ship and crept out of the back door. You really know how to pick your heroes, don't you?


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 08 Jun 19 - 01:59 AM

Steve, I think we both know that an attention-seeking, trolling, Right-Wing Extremist fan-boy of hate-mongers like Farage, Staines, and Yaxley-Lennon really is a worthless waste of protoplasm.

Attempting intelligent discourse with him is pointless - he has no desire to discuss or debate, his damaged psyche demands only that he ‘wins’, in any way, and by any means at his disposal. He’s a sick, sick puppy.

I’m back to ignoring the TC, and I’d recommend everyone else to do the same.

Now...any good news about BrexShit?


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 08 Jun 19 - 02:19 AM

At long last, John :-) The diversion tactics are blatant and the it will all be sunshine and unicorns after brexit is indicative of having no real argument. Simply not worth even recognising.

At least Nigel provides a bit of entertainment.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: DMcG
Date: 08 Jun 19 - 02:40 AM

Last night stuffed the brexit party, and I think you know it.

I fear it might be more subtle than that, Steve. By analogy, consider the Mapplethorpe legal case:

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Read more: https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/when-art-fought-law-and-art-won-180956810/#Qr78tlBVrwuHMIia.99
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There was a good documentary/re-enactment account of this in a film unfortunately called 'Dirty Pictures' (which I had to account for recording to my wife and daughter, but that's another story). At the end of the film a spokesman for the Christian right wing who brought the case was asked about how they felt about losing. "We didn't lose", they responded "Faced with the costs, legal battles and effort required, no other art gallery in the country will show this or similar material without thinking very hard."

And it is the same with the Brexit Party. The influence it has in achieving its goals is far more significant than winning seats. And in that sense, it is winning. (Another good example, by the way, of how an accurate statistic - they have no seats - is misleading rather than informative.)


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 08 Jun 19 - 02:40 AM

I’m ignoring both of the barmy buggers Dave! ;-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: DMcG
Date: 08 Jun 19 - 03:48 AM

Child Ballad 45 - King John and the Bishop:

"Brother," quoth the shepeard, "you haue heard itt,
That a foole may teach a wisemane witt"


Not that I claim to be wise, of course, but that is why I don't like ignoring people. Even the most extreme fool may give me insights I have otherwise missed.

But I can still be very selective about what I choose to respond to. Invitations to battle, for example, are things I try to decline.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 08 Jun 19 - 04:48 AM

No matter how much you try to trivialise, disparage or deny it, the Labour party has a problem with antisemitism. Further I would posit that the new MP for Peterborough deliberately played her racist card to appeal to a discrete demographic. The population of Peterborough is approx, 200.000 of which 11.7% are Moslem(the highest percentage of anywhere in the UK)
To extrapolate the election results to elsewhere in the country without taking into account the demographics (and reluctance to integrate of the appreciable Pakistani population) will lead to surprises come election time. This particular election was fought in a very dirty way.
Labour did not win a massive victory,they swung an election by pandering to a minority, telling them what they wanted to hear.
This is disgraceful hence the reason Labour MPs, quoted above, said what they said. The facts are what they are and cannot be disputed.
Farage standing in front of a poster is small beer in comparison.Throwing your usual insults at me does not change the facts one iota. Playing the racist card to get elected is not something the labour party can be proud of. It will come back to haunt them as more and more people wake up to their machinations.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Raggytash
Date: 08 Jun 19 - 05:27 AM

It would seem another hero of the right wing has been filmed hitting someone outside a football match in Portugal.

Yaxley-Lennon who's "criminal record includes convictions for violence, financial and immigration frauds, drug possession, public order offences, and contempt of court." (wiki) can be seen in the link below.

They don't half pick some good un's eh?

Yaxley-Lennon


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 08 Jun 19 - 05:47 AM

Iains repeats the racist tropes of the Brexit party, which were rightfully dismissed as sour grapes in the wake of their defeat.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 08 Jun 19 - 05:49 AM

Here is something a bit more on topic, than a member of a party that has
haemorrhaged support since he joined.

https://www.politicalite.com/labour-2/exclusive-convicted-labour-vote-rigger-out-campaigning-today-for-labour-in-peterborough/

Better double check those thousands of postal votes in the recent by election.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 08 Jun 19 - 05:52 AM

TheBrexit party was subjected to smears that had no substance. Obviously the same cannot be said of Labour. The evidence against Labour is overwhelming, even coming from their own party members and MPs.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 08 Jun 19 - 06:02 AM

It seems others share my concern over the postal vote:

https://www.change.org/p/men-previously-convicted-on-postal-vote-fraud-employed-by-labour-during-this-by-election-investigate-th


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 08 Jun 19 - 06:04 AM

I believe it was Goebbels that said "accuse the other side of that which you are guilty".

I see his spirit lives on here and in the press. I suspect the nicotine stained toad is channelling him. Luckily most people are now wise to those tricks but sadly there are still those who suck up every bit of shit their masters feed them. I suppose we should feel sorry for them but the damage they do is unforgivable.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 08 Jun 19 - 07:05 AM

Well it looks as though the Change.org petition linked to above has been pulled. As we're into loser sour-grape conspiracy theory territory this morning, might I suggest that it was pulled because it breached the community guidelines? :-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: bobad
Date: 08 Jun 19 - 07:39 AM

Well it looks as though the Change.org petition linked to above has been pulled.

https://www.change.org/p/men-previously-convicted-on-postal-vote-fraud-employed-by-labour-during-this-by-election-investigate-the-postal-votes-that-were-counted-in-the-peterborough-by-election


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 08 Jun 19 - 07:41 AM

I just opened it count now over 4600.I think their platform is a tad unstable today. They also had a petition concerning the EU voting shambles for expats in Europe. So unlikely to be breaching any guidelines concerning voting.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 08 Jun 19 - 09:23 AM

The link provided at 06.02 sez different. Happy to think that there's been a cockup.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 08 Jun 19 - 12:57 PM

For the last conservative MP elected in Perborough the breakdown was as follows

    Majority: 2,740
    Electorate: 67,499
    Total number of votes cast: 41,204
    Adjusted turnout: 61
    Number of postal votes cast: 9,149
    Number of proxy votes cast: 130
    Number of rejected votes: 78

The electoral Commissioners have not released the breakdown for the by election yet(as far as I am aware) It is interesting just how high the postal vote was and I suspect this time it would be the same or larger.
I find it unbelievable that Labour employed persons known to have been convicted of tampering with previous elections. Hence the concern over
the propriety of the postal vote.( the petition is now 7.5k+ )


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Raggytash
Date: 08 Jun 19 - 02:04 PM

Just in case anyone is remotely interested the last Conservative MP in Peterborough was elected 14 years ago in 2005.

It should be noted that those postal votes helped to elect a Conservative MP.

Postal votes cast 9,119
Majority          2,740

Makes you wonder doesn't it about vote rigging !!


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 08 Jun 19 - 02:13 PM

To borrow a well-known expression, coined by BrexShitters after their narrow majority in the Referendum (a majority which Froggy Farage stated prior to the Referendum that, should it be in favour of Remain, would be unacceptable and which would give rise to his demanding a re-run of the Referendum) - “We won, get over it!”.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 08 Jun 19 - 03:39 PM

So we're blaming postal voting and houses full of Pakistanis for Labour's victory. How predictable. How pathetic.


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