BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Bonnie Shaljean
Date: 01 Apr 19 - 02:54 PM

Ummm... today is Monday. And when I googled The Times for Sunday 31st, I found the following:

PM could suffer a new m'luddy nose | Comment | The Sunday Times

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/.../pm-could-suffer-a-new-m-luddy-nose-znpjk2rvt

March 31 2019, 12:01am, The Sunday Times

By Roland White, www.thetimes.co.uk View Original March 31st, 2019

You wouldn't think matters could get much worse for Theresa May, but she could soon be prosecuted over Brexit. In nine days' time a judge will consider whether she should be charged with misconduct in a public office.

Professor Joshua Silver, an Oxford physicist, and barrister David Wolchover claim the government did not take proper account of impact assessments before triggering article 50. "The prime minister wilfully ignored all such assessments and wrongly made her decision exclusively on the outcome of the referendum," they say. "She deliberately broke the law, with potentially catastrophic consequences."

How apt that a physicist intervenes just as the entire Brexit process seems to be collapsing into a black hole.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Bonnie Shaljean
Date: 01 Apr 19 - 02:54 PM

Cross-posted with Jim

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Bonnie Shaljean
Date: 01 Apr 19 - 03:05 PM

This is the link I googled into:

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/comment/pm-could-suffer-a-new-m-luddy-nose-znpjk2rvt

(Sorry, DMcG, I misinterpreted your "Monday" comment... d'oh)

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 01 Apr 19 - 03:11 PM

"The post claims to be from a date in the twentieth century: 31/3/19... and mentions the 2016 referendum."

Errrmm....no, you half-baked, nitpicking nitwit, the italicised part is from FaceBook, the plain text part was mine, and the date is 31st March, 2019 - yesterday!

Back to school, nitpicker.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 01 Apr 19 - 03:14 PM

And remember the old adage, nitpicker - "Nobody likes a clever-shit".

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: DMcG
Date: 01 Apr 19 - 03:26 PM

Having got interested in the subject now, ISO 8601:2000 defined how two digit years were interpreted, but this is no longer a standard. Excel interprets years 00-29 to be 2000-2029 by default, but this is changeable. Other systems use a different 'change over point'. IBM use 40 so 00-39 are interpreted as 2000-2039 and 40-99 as 1940-1999.   

I have not found a system that thinks 19 represents 1919 yet, and don't think it worth exploring further.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 01 Apr 19 - 04:27 PM

but 31/3/19... suggests that something has been left out after the '19' making it a date in the twentieth century.
A standardised form for dates would be useful, if people kept to it.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 01 Apr 19 - 04:32 PM

Thanks DMcG and BS, but I suggest you don't waste time on answering our nitpicker friend. In DD/MM/YY date format, it's a given that the third element refers to the current century, any fule no that...

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 01 Apr 19 - 04:35 PM

...apart from, apparently, our nitpicker-imbecile friend.

Good old Musket used to have a two-word expression that he used to describe idiots, which he abbreviated to 'TC'. Appropriate for our nitpicker, methinks.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 01 Apr 19 - 04:40 PM

And another adage the nitpicker would do well to keep in mind...."When you find yourself in a hole, stop digging". (WPA (Will) Rogers).

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 01 Apr 19 - 05:01 PM

John Bercow aka ‘Mr Squeaker’?

    He is the very model of a modern minor genital,
    His exclamations patronising, animal, imperial,
    He is the Prince of Parliament, he quotes debates historical,
    From Erskine May to made-up way, in order quite dishonourable.

..With information too on matters constitutional,
    His fabrication aptitude is very close to criminal,
    In short in matters statesmanlike, both legally and practical,
    He occupies a swamp of bilge and is in fact piratical.

....with abject apologies to Gilbert and Sullivan

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 01 Apr 19 - 07:44 PM

Well, after today anything that Parliament/government can desperately scrabble together as a "compromise" is going to look like a bodge. We need breathing space.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 02 Apr 19 - 02:44 AM

And they refuse the people a second vote !!!!!!!!
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: DMcG
Date: 02 Apr 19 - 02:51 AM

Thanks DMcG and BS, but I suggest you don't waste time on answering our nitpicker friend

Oh, I wasn't. I am afraid when someone has the choice of admitting they made a mistake and instead works hard to explain how it must be someone else in error however foolish it makes them look, it is obvious that any further discussion on the point is futile.


No, I was interested in whether there actually are any international standards for interpreting two digit years. That was completely independent to discussing the specific example.   In short, there isn't. unless the contest is 100% clear. In a book talking about the Napoleonic Wars, for example, the century would be clearly understood in most cases.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: DMcG
Date: 02 Apr 19 - 03:02 AM

On the question of 'fudge': I am not certain. The distinction between a fudge and a compromise, in my interpretation, is that a fudge is a phrase or arrangement where the two sides can interpret it differently, and I am not at all sure there is scope for that, because whatever we end up with will be international law.

Since Labour whipped for three of the options, and the rest of the opposition was broadly in line, I see very little scope for changing the numbers on the opposition benches: merging some motions is very unlikely to achieve anything in itself. So I think Nick Boles was right to blame the Conservatives for not being prepared to compromise. To clarify, I do not mean those like the ERG, but any Conservative MP who voted against a no-deal, but also against any way to ensure that.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 02 Apr 19 - 03:03 AM

"Oh, I wasn't. I am afraid when someone has the choice of admitting they made a mistake and instead works hard to explain how it must be someone else in error however foolish it makes them look, it is obvious that any further discussion on the point is futile."

Yep, I completely agree. Sadly, some people's need to 'win' over-rides everything else, so they indulge in picking smaller and smaller nits, and thus making themselves appear increasingly ridiculous.

"No, I was interested in whether there actually are any international standards for interpreting two digit years. That was completely independent to discussing the specific example.   In short, there isn't. unless the contest is 100% clear. In a book talking about the Napoleonic Wars, for example, the century would be clearly understood in most cases."

But there is something called 'common sense', which the vast majority of us here have, with one or two notable, nit-picking exceptions.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: DMcG
Date: 02 Apr 19 - 03:22 AM

But there is something called 'common sense', which the vast majority of us here have

Yes indeed. And Excel's algorithm (for example), of treating 00-29 as 2000-2029 and 30-99 as 1930-1999 is an attempt to implement that common sense interpretation.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 02 Apr 19 - 03:44 AM

I guess that will be a rolling date in the algorithm. Pretty much like the date for brexit :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 02 Apr 19 - 03:50 AM

I>And they refuse the people a second vote !!!!!!!!

A rather silly remark. If the first vote of the people in the recent referendum is ignored, what notice would be taken of a second?

In a democracy the winner wins(or is supposed to) Why do leftards require that this very simple concept be explained to them repeatedly.

Does their socialist sense of entitlement make them think the majority csn be ignored and over ridden? Their constant whining is getting tiresome.

This is very similar to democrats trying to depose the President on all sorts of trumped up charges.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 02 Apr 19 - 04:02 AM

"A democracy that cannot change its mind ceases to be a democracy"
Liam Fox, former Brexit Secretary, 2012.

Such a simple, easily understood concept (unless you happen to be a Right-Wing Extremist, apparently).

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 02 Apr 19 - 04:10 AM

Correction - the quote was from another rabid BrexShiteer, David Davis, not Liam Fox. But it's still just as ironic, bearing in mind that Right Wing Extremist BrexShiteers are apparently completely incapable of understanding such a simple concept.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 02 Apr 19 - 04:12 AM

The government has shown without a vestige of doubt that they are totally incapable of Governing
The have now done the lot - bullied, bribed sectarian politicians, passed the the buck onto others for what it their problem, driven panicking industries out of Britain, fragmented their own party, spiked racism, set the British People one against the other, destabilised the future of Britain for decades to come.... and they are still no clearer on where Britain should go from here
A rudderless nation is detrimental, not only to itself but to the well-being of the planet in the current situation
These are unnecessarily dangerous times and these people are more concerned about their own careers and ambitions than they are of the people who put them into office   
Time to f... them off out of it

"A rather silly remark."
You have already made your name as a web creeper - can you stop stalking me please ?
If you have anything intelligent to say and can manage it without the usual Trump-like racist abuse, say it - not that you'll get a response most o us have become sick to death of your behaviour

Good to see that you've leapt out of yet another closet and added 'supporter of a racist, misogynist, unstable, and traitorous world leader to your CV'
You're going to need a carpenter to replace those worn-out hinges
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 02 Apr 19 - 04:22 AM

Jim, I don't known how many more times or in how many different ways we can we can say ignore him. You have nothing to prove. It is obvious what he is and why he does it but you keep taking the bait.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 02 Apr 19 - 04:42 AM

No bait
He needs to stop or be stopped, his persistent behaviour is intolerable; it's totally beyond be why he should be allowed to continue
People have been thrown off this forum for far less - persistent personally aimed racial abuse seems more than enough to me
Jim

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 02 Apr 19 - 05:03 AM

Mudcat advice on how to deal with trolls.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 02 Apr 19 - 05:12 AM

Good to see that you've leapt out of yet another closet and added 'supporter of a racist, misogynist, unstable, and traitorous world leader to your CV'

little jimmie the "I Insult no one" plastic paddy publicly displaying his mendacity for all the world to see.
You could not make it up!(unlike the scouser-who makes up everything)

persistent personally aimed racial abuse seems more than enough to me
Says the idiot that repeatedly labels the valiant eminently sensible Brexiteers as racist little englanders.

Carrol if you wish to continually act as a pig ignorant abusive bigot you can hardly bleat when these self evident truths are pointed out to you. It is hardly my fault that you are have insufficient mental capacity to see this. It is you that is the mental midget. as you demonstrate time after time. Have you considered remedial classes? I am told they help!.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 02 Apr 19 - 05:22 AM

I said bodge, DMcG, not fudge.

I'm becoming more certain by the day that remain would lose another referendum. Too few people have changed their minds and there will be a backlash from indignant people who might be remain-minded but who would see another vote as being an insult to democracy. There would also be a lot of abstaining or just not bothering. And the leave campaign would be toxic. That worked last time and they would hold even more populist cards this time. An even more useless ploy would be a snap election. It would solve absolutely nothing.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 02 Apr 19 - 05:35 AM

An even more useless ploy would be a snap election. It would solve absolutely nothing.

I am coming to the point of view that an election is precisely what is required. The present nest of vipers in the commons need to be reminded forcefully that the electorate expects them to honour their promises.
The referendum result requires implementation, otherwise democracy is destroyed and the executive betrays the trust of the people.
   A reset is the only way forward.
Farage for PM and Rees Mogg as foreign secretary would make me very happy.

The war of Independance in America was fought on the basis of no taxation without representation. Therefore I would argue for as long as we make payments to the EU we maintain our seats in the EU parliament. To act in any other way smacks of reparations for a war we have not lost. Mays withdrawal treaty suffers from the same problem and must not stand.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: DMcG
Date: 02 Apr 19 - 05:44 AM

I said bodge, DMcG, not fudge.

My mistake, sorry.

You may well be right about a second referendum. The more it is seen as rerun of the first, rather than a different question, the more open it is to manipulation. That is one reason I have always thought this really needs to be resolved in Parliament, but they appear unwilling to do so. I doubt if a general election will help either. Labour have kept a good focus on things that really matter to people - jobs, education, the NHS - but as Larkin would say the toad Brexit squats on their manifesto too, and I see no good way round that.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 02 Apr 19 - 05:51 AM

In an impassioned speech, Ms Widdecombe said: “We’ve got the worst Prime Minister since Anthony Eden.

“We’ve got the worst leader of the opposition in the entire history of the Labour party.

“And we’ve got the worst Parliament since Oliver Cromwell.”

I agree!

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 02 Apr 19 - 05:58 AM

"Mudcat advice on how to deal with trolls."
There is also instruction on being abusive Dave
Antway - had my rant on this perticuar Trump/troll for the day - "tomorrow is another day"

A Civil Rights Group in Northern Ireland has now drawn attention to Northern Ireland born citizens living in the Republic and how Brexit's Brave New World will affect their rights and the progress of The Belfast agreement and the Peace Process

Steve,
Don't agree with your take on a second vote
A survey has already indicated that the Remainers have a clear guarantee - if this is not enough, surely none of those who couldn't ae their minds up to vote the first time will not be stupid enough to stay at home after these years long displays of ineptitude
In a worse-case scenario - if the second vote was to leave, at least there would be no doubt of that fact
The lying excuse that a second vote would divide the country is hypocritical, undemocratic politicking - it would do just the opposite
May has suggested that the British people are incapable of accepting a Democratically arrived at decision with her insulting suggestion
I've never know a revolt in Britain against a General Election result - has anybody ??
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: peteglasgow
Date: 02 Apr 19 - 06:09 AM

obviously all very depressing. at no point has any conservative politician ever had the courage to stand up to the nicotine-stained fascist man frog or his buddies in the more weird yet dangerous wing of the party. (and labour aren't much better)or the DUP - the idea that these tiny groups of very unpleasant and regressive people are driving the political agenda and causing immense division and conflict in our society is incredible. when farage and his thuggish supporters talk about 'betrayal' and 'treachery' they are deliberately intimidating our mps and all of us who dare to disagree or even attempt to put a bit of nuance into the debate. their like should be prosecuted for hate crimes - and murder in the case of Jo Cox. while in jail they could be forced to watch re-runs of the opening ceremony of the london olympics to remind them of the sort of country that the majority of us would prefer. and made aware that this is the country that raised them - not the grubby, wee bitter, little england with it's racism, greed,hunting and their sneering contempt of all who try to live in a happier, more positive, way.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 02 Apr 19 - 06:14 AM

Amen, Pete.

Ain't gonna happen though, no matter how hard we hope for it. Their tax-dodges take priority over everyone else's best interests.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 02 Apr 19 - 07:03 AM

And amen John, Pete and DMcG...

Ann Widdecombe is pure pantomime, a plight of her own making. I saw her last night and I couldn't help thinking of Cissie and Ada but without the laughs. Strike me down...

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 02 Apr 19 - 07:05 AM

A survey has already indicated that the Remainers have a clear guarantee>/I>

A clear guarantee of what?   I do like a reasoned discussion!

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 02 Apr 19 - 07:27 AM

"Steve,
Don't agree with your take on a second vote
A survey has already indicated that the Remainers have a clear guarantee - if this is not enough, surely none of those who couldn't ae their minds up to vote the first time will not be stupid enough to stay at home after these years long displays of ineptitude..."

Well a survey I read about just yesterday (can't remember for the life of me where I read about it) suggested that remain/leave was at 54%/46% with a lot of undecideds (who weren't included in the totting up). That isn't comfortable at all, I don't think. Many remainers were reluctant remainers, and a good number would see another vote (incorrectly) as an affront to democracy. They might either abstain or even vote leave next time round. On the other hand, I should think that just about every leave voter, and more, would be indignant enough to turn out again next time round. And the leave campaign would be the joker in the pack. You can just see it now: democracy betrayed, the will of the people thwarted...all bollocks, but incredibly hard to counteract.

I wouldn't argue against another vote on these grounds just because I think the result would be the wrong one, but, let's face it, whatever the result it would be another close-run thing, and a narrow remain victory would foment huge trouble. On top of that, I can't bring myself ever to want any referendum about anything at all.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 02 Apr 19 - 08:17 AM

New ComRes polling commissioned by Leave Means Leave yesterday has found a significant shift in favour of a No Deal Brexit, with voters agreeing with the statement “Theresa May should go back to her promise that No Deal is better than a bad deal and leave to trade on WTO rules” by 63% to 37%, excluding don’t knows. Including don’t knows, just 29% disagree with it…

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 02 Apr 19 - 08:22 AM

It seems fairly inevitable from a statement from the EU that unless the marathon 5 hour Cabinet meeting (by a Cabinet that is incapable of finding its own arse with both hands) reaches a decision today, the two alternatives are to crash out or put Brexit on yet another long finger (the latter is very unlikely, the former would be devastating for Britain and its neighbours)
Brexit has drawn out venomous rats by their swarms now, Robinson, Farage and now THESE SCUM
Bastards like these thrive on instability of the kind that Britain is now heading for
We live in dangerous times, to avoid allowing the vermin feeding on a leadership incapable of leading and a people who are rapidly reaching the point of simply not caring, something has to be done - and quick
Someone needs to re-read pre-war history
Jim

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: DMcG
Date: 02 Apr 19 - 08:29 AM

Oh, dear, what a leading question.

All that actually shows is that the risk of people being manipulated is indeed very high.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 02 Apr 19 - 08:34 AM

The poll above, if accurate, shows a wide divergence of the two camps compared to all other polls over the last two years.
I see we have three choices
crash out no deal
May's treaty trapping us within the EU with no representation
Have a long extension(getting more and more unlikely) and renegotiate with a brand new elected team after an inevitable election.

This is what the endless betrayal and prevarication of MPs has brought us to.

Heaping insults on brexiteers and calling them vermin just shows the total inadequacy of the remainers arguments as they continue to try to frustrate the clearly stated wishes of the majority.

When will all the whining finally stop I wonder?

Bring on the crash!

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 02 Apr 19 - 08:43 AM

We have another choice which is to revoke article 50, and put the whole sorry episode behind us.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 02 Apr 19 - 09:06 AM

David Carter We already have Parliament usurping the government in the Commons. Constitutionally this is new territory with zero accountability. Couple that will betrayal of article 50 and I think revolt will occur.
If legislation is forced through by an unaccountable body democracy has ceased and parliament no longer has legitimacy.
This may make remainiacs very happy but only until the unintended consequences kick in(or more likely kick off. Be very careful of whatyou wish for!

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 02 Apr 19 - 09:38 AM

"On top of that, I can't bring myself ever to want any referendum about anything at all."
Perhaps you should read how they've moved Ireland on from the first half of the 20th century by some of the progressive decisions that have been taken comparatively recently
Trusting the people really has worked a treat here as have public displays of disapproval, despite indifference and opposition on the part of politicians and parties
The rules for referenda need to be well-thought out and a block put on the use of the type of populism that gave the world Brexit and Trump - the use of 'scapegoating' needs to be outlawed
Britain allowed Farage and the now discredited Ukip to run riot a disgraced Party and a swaggering no-nothing
Not something to be proud of
The other aspect of Irish democracy that is preventing a mess like Britain has become is Proportional Representation - it is noteworthy that this was the fist think to be discarded in the creation of a sectarian State in the Northern Counties
Whatever the result of Brexit, it's going to take a long time before anybody takes British Parliamentary Politics seriously again - inside and outside the UK
A sharp cleaning out of the Augean Stables might - just - do it
Jim

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 02 Apr 19 - 09:38 AM

"On top of that, I can't bring myself ever to want any referendum about anything at all."
Perhaps you should read how they've moved Ireland on from the first half of the 20th century by some of the progressive decisions that have been taken comparatively recently
Trusting the people really has worked a treat here as have public displays of disapproval, despite indifference and opposition on the part of politicians and parties
The rules for referenda need to be well-thought out and a block put on the use of the type of populism that gave the world Brexit and Trump - the use of 'scapegoating' needs to be outlawed
Britain allowed Farage and the now discredited Ukip to run riot a disgraced Party and a swaggering no-nothing
Not something to be proud of
The other aspect of Irish democracy that is preventing a mess like Britain has become is Proportional Representation - it is noteworthy that this was the fist think to be discarded in the creation of a sectarian State in the Northern Counties
Whatever the result of Brexit, it's going to take a long time before anybody takes British Parliamentary Politics seriously again - inside and outside the UK
A sharp cleaning out of the Augean Stables might - just - do it
Jim

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 02 Apr 19 - 10:17 AM

The rules for referenda need to be well-thought out and a block put on the use of the type of populism that gave the world Brexit and Trump - the use of 'scapegoating' needs to be outlawed
Britain allowed Farage and the now discredited Ukip to run riot a disgraced Party and a swaggering no-nothing

A stunning example of a total misunderstanding of the democratic electoral process and a wilful contempt for the rule of law. What a halfwit.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 02 Apr 19 - 10:39 AM

Rule of Law - Bingo !!!
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 02 Apr 19 - 10:59 AM

My abject apologies fellers but a Brexiteer scurrying behind 'The Rule of Law' was really too good an opportunity to pass up
Jim

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 02 Apr 19 - 11:24 AM

My abject apologies fellers

We need far far more grovelling off you first!

"The Prime Minister’s continental counterparts have given her just six days to make her Brexit strategy clear ahead of an emergency summit in Brussels next week. Amid fears of a no-deal Brexit, Europe has urged Mrs May to details on whether she will pursue a hard divorce or a long Article 50 extension. EU leaders’ intervention comes after another failed attempt by MPs in Westminster to build a majority for an alternative Brexit plan last night."

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Raggytash
Date: 02 Apr 19 - 11:56 AM

Funny I thought she'd had almost 3 years.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 02 Apr 19 - 12:23 PM

"Funny I thought she'd had almost 3 years."
Somebody ought to get life for this criminal behaviour
Jim