BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 23 May 19 - 05:21 PM

That was the vicar who said that, not Roy!

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 23 May 19 - 03:58 PM

He was a very earthy sort of chap, David. He actually shared my surname, though we weren't related, so there's a clue. He was a big mate of Roy Lancaster, another great bloke who started out working in the park next to my school in Bolton. On one occasion by the canal in Radcliffe. when I was but a callow and youthful botanist, he espied me looking up a plant in an identification guide. "What are you doing?" he demanded. "Er, just looking this up...." "Well chuck bloody book away. You'll never learn owt from a book!"

He was right!

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 23 May 19 - 03:28 PM

Ah well Steve, thats a Vicar, who will be anticipating an even larger move.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 23 May 19 - 02:05 PM

Those are contract workers, people who form an isolated expatriate community.
Some are, some are not.

they are often extremely reactionary, especially towards the culture of the country in which they work.

Try being reactionary in the Middle East, Parts of Africa and SE Asia and you can share a very dodgy jail cell.

You obviously only traveled in touristy places in more "enlightened" parts of the world.

Take it from me, if you are in Dodge City you keep your mouth shut, and your opinions to yourself. Or suffer the consequences!

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 23 May 19 - 01:52 PM

Be careful what you wish for...

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 23 May 19 - 01:47 PM

It was rumoured the 22 committee would shift the PM out of downing Street by Friday. The latest update is that it will probably require 22 SAS.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 23 May 19 - 01:46 PM

Those are contract workers, people who form an isolated expatriate community. I have worked with those too and they are often extremely reactionary, especially towards the culture of the country in which they work. I am talking about people who decide to move to, live in, and become part of, a different culture.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 23 May 19 - 01:44 PM

Well one of the most broad-minded and balanced people I ever met was a old vicar and botanist from Oldham who hardly ever left Lancashire (as was), though I did climb Penyghent with him once when he was 77 to find the purple saxifrage. So you never can tell.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 23 May 19 - 12:47 PM

Thats not balance. EU citizens in the UK and UK citizens in the EU are the same kind of people, people who are open to immersing themselves in other cultures, people who have used freedom of movement to improve their lives. People who think for themselves. And thus more likely to vote for progressive parties rather than the reactionary forces of the right.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 23 May 19 - 12:29 PM

Just in case any of the Bumpkins have a couple of brain-cells that actually work, here’s something for them to get their daft heads around...

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Rain Dog
Date: 23 May 19 - 11:54 AM

'complete lack of democracy.'

At least they are even handed about it.

Expats fear postal votes will not count

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 23 May 19 - 11:27 AM

Here you go, Raggy...

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Raggytash
Date: 23 May 19 - 11:13 AM

Meanwhile back to Brexit. It would seem that European residents in the UK are being denied the right to vote in the EU elections because of administration errors.

I wonder what our resident Brexiteers have to say about this complete lack of democracy.

Could someone please link to the Guardian article entitled 'EU Citizens in UK complain of being denied right to vote'

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 23 May 19 - 08:44 AM

What I find ludicrous is that, pre-Referendum, simple-minded people believed everything Farage told them, and voted for what he stood for - when, in fact, he hadn’t a clue how to bring Brexit about, no plan whatsoever. So he and his cronies did their ‘Run For The Hills’ routine and left the rest of us with Mayhem.

Now here he is again, still no clue, no plan, nothing - and the bumpkins are queueing up to vote his way again!

What was it Einstein said about insanity?

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 23 May 19 - 08:12 AM

BWM - :-D

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 23 May 19 - 07:49 AM

And Jonathan Pie has got the likes of Haddock-Face, and UKIP with their new pin-up boy, Tommy Robinson, weighed up, hasn’t he?

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 23 May 19 - 07:30 AM

HIGNFY seem to have their finger on the pulse!

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 23 May 19 - 06:16 AM

It's already Europe's fault Mac - it used to be lazy workers and bad management
I hava little doubt there'll be another one along in a minute to confirm that
Jim

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: DMcG
Date: 23 May 19 - 04:20 AM

I am sure someone will be along shortly to point out that the claim was that voting remain would end the steel industry. It did not claim voting leave would save it.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 23 May 19 - 04:19 AM

If you gloat about Farage combining with LePen, (as you have) to take the European elections, you're stuck with it
The LePen family are notorious Fascists and are part of the rise of Neo-Fascism in Europe - not to be welcomed by anybody who cherishes democracy
Thanks to Brexit, Britain has its own racist problems to deal with - antisemitism is the last thing it needs, particularly at a time when the whole of British society has been weakened and divided by this insane, un-thought out leap in the dark
If you can't live with what you do, don't do it - simples
The post was deleted above the line - rightly - because you chose to bring arguments that were taking place here up there - maybe I shouldn't have responded to it - I'm delighted it has been removed (as was your posting which instigated the misplaced argument, by the way)
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesLet us remind ture?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 23 May 19 - 04:11 AM

Let us remind everyone how good the nicotine stained toad is at predictions shall we?

Farage's tweet about the steel industry

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 23 May 19 - 03:50 AM

I wonder why the mods allowed this piece of garbage to remain?


Maybe you can ask your friend LePen to fly in a substitute Iains ?

"Polls show Le Pen's party, now named the National Rally, winning about 22-24 percent the election, a slight edge over the centrist alliance that includes Macron's party"
Hope the French Jews are packing their suitcases - 74,000 of them were sent to death camps last time the likes of LePen were in charge
Jim Carroll

Permitting "untouchables" destroys the credibility of the entire site and drives people away.

The post was deleted for pollution above the line yesterday. Why not below the line as well?

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 23 May 19 - 03:43 AM

I am sure the MEP election results will be a font of joy to all!

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 23 May 19 - 03:40 AM

Everyone but you understands what Raggytash is asking, Nigel. Almost every article, prediction, analysis and report indicates that leaving the EU will be bad for the UK. We are looking for anything that gives us hope that it will not be as bad as they all say. To date neither you nor any other brexiteer has been able to point us to any such good news.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: DMcG
Date: 23 May 19 - 03:23 AM

There is a particularly funny article by Tom Peck, sketch writer for the Independent today. One of the gems:


"Even some of the nation's most senior news broadcasters have admitted that, if a prime minister resigns on an election day, when strict broadcasting rules are in place, they are not completely sure if they will even be allowed to mention it."

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 23 May 19 - 03:08 AM

But, but, but...Jim... 70 million Turks, ‘Take Are Cuntry Back’, ‘easy’ trade deals, £350 million, unicorns! ;-)

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 23 May 19 - 02:59 AM

"And, as has been said many times, the good news about Brexit cannot come until Brexit has been achieved."
That's not the way our system works Nigel
Everything, from industrial development to investment, depends entirely on planning in advance - Britain has had no game plan and was slated for not having one from the very beginning
There has been no alternative to being a member of the EU put into place or even discussed - irresponsible economic and political insanity from the start - like saying, "I'm going on holiday; I'll decide where to when I get there".
There has not even been a movement in the direction of future planning - on the contrary - the chaos of Brexit has systematically destroyed both industry and investment -
RATS DESERTING THE SINKING SHIP
NO PLANNING ON THIS
OR THIS
AND THIS IS WHAT THEY WILL BE RETURNING TO
CONFIRMED HERE

Wait and see - are you mad !!!!
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: DMcG
Date: 23 May 19 - 02:51 AM

The Andrea Leadsom resignation is an interesting one. With May possibly going Friday or Monday, I can't see many people dashing forward to label themselves as the enabler of the legislation knowing an strong opponent of it is likely to get May's role. Fancy a job for a day or two that risks casting you into darkness for the rest of your political life?   On the other hand, the government can't continue without a means of formally introducing bills.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 22 May 19 - 08:08 PM

Brilliant work, mod(s). It's regrettable that you have to do it. Cheers.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 22 May 19 - 05:25 PM

Bwaaaaaaaahh-ha-ha-haahh! About as much sense as any of the other BS the Brexshitters put out.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: DMcG
Date: 22 May 19 - 05:17 PM

I thought I would have a look at the leaflets that the various official and unofficial leave groups issued to see what was promised would happen as a result of voting leave. I thought this was especially good:

Relations will be friendlier after we vote leave.

After we VOTE leave, note. Not after we leave.

I wonder who thinks that has come about?

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 22 May 19 - 05:13 PM

OK, O Nitpicking One, how about telling us what you’re hoping will be some of the benefits of Brexit? That’s not ‘predicting’ is it?

Come on - show us there’s something in there.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 22 May 19 - 05:05 PM

Any good news about Brexit.

I am sorry to keep asking the question but to date it has not been answered.

And, as has been said many times, the good news about Brexit cannot come until Brexit has been achieved.
Until then, unlike remainers, I will not give forecasts of what may/may not happen.
We've all seen the failure of the pre-referendum prognostications of the remainers. Why should leavers try to match that level of incompetence?

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Raggytash
Date: 22 May 19 - 04:54 PM

Hmm ..............

Any good news about Brexit.

I am sorry to keep asking the question but to date it has not been answered.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 22 May 19 - 01:54 PM

It is now suggested that May will go by Monday
I'm sue this will make make the patriotic extremists happy to leave Britain without a leader, a totally divided Government Party, a dangerously split British people, no idea whatever how or if Britain will leave Europe and the possibility that a the future of the country will be left in the hands of morons like Lord Snooty (with guidance from his nanny or Boris 'The Joke' Johnson'
Never thought I'd say thins but May, for all her faults, is the only one to have shown a shred of responsibility and leadership in all this
Next to her, they are all snapping jackals   
Maybe you can ask your friend LePen to fly in a substitute Iains ?

"Polls show Le Pen's party, now named the National Rally, winning about 22-24 percent the election, a slight edge over the centrist alliance that includes Macron's party"
Hope the French Jews are packing their suitcases - 74,000 of them were sent to death camps last time the likes of LePen were in charge
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 22 May 19 - 01:53 PM

Waiting to see what the results are I would guess.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: DMcG
Date: 22 May 19 - 01:40 PM

OK, so the 1922 committee ends with no vote change.

I suspect that was all about the EU elections - would changing the voting rules make people more likely to vote Tory (in the belief a Brexiteer will be the next leader), or less (because Tories look as if they are panicking).

Tough call for them, but as Brady is meeting with May on Friday, and they can meet anytime to change the rules if they wish, it looks like they decided to go for more stable look.

Not that it clear May is on the way out on Friday either. Could just be a nice chat over a biscuit.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: DMcG
Date: 22 May 19 - 01:27 PM

At this moment? Fiction.

But by the time the 1922 committee ends, I expect a rule change to allow a confidence vote, then May gone either immediately, or staying in place until an election has been held.

"And always keep a-hold of Nurse
For fear of finding something worse."

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 22 May 19 - 01:23 PM

The whisper is that the mayfly has been swatted.
Fact or fiction?

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: DMcG
Date: 22 May 19 - 01:17 PM

The Sun says: Nigel Farage 'trapped on Brexit bus due to people armed with milkshakes'

Monty Python lives!

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 22 May 19 - 01:11 PM

Le Pen versus Macron. Round 2


https://www.france24.com/en/20190521-le-pen-seeks-macrons-downfall-french-european-polls

Polls show Le Pen's party, now named the National Rally, winning about 22-24 percent the election, a slight edge over the centrist alliance that includes Macron's party. she proposes unpicking the bloc from the inside, rolling back its treaties and common rules and turning it into a "union of nation states" who act independently.
Gonna be some changes!
https://www.ecfr.eu/specials/scorecard/the_2019_European_election


https://www.politico.eu/article/european-election-2019-winners/

Polls show the overall election outcome is likely to yield the most fragmented Parliament in modern EU history, creating genuine suspense about the precise shape of a majority coalition and potentially giving small pro-EU parties, like the Greens, more influence than ever.

The poll numbers, unveiled on Monday, deliver an alarming — if not entirely shocking — wake-up call to the mainstream, pro-EU politicians who have controlled power in Brussels for decades, but have seemed flummoxed in recent years about how to push back against a rising populist and nationalist tide.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 22 May 19 - 01:02 PM

"It's blatantly obvious to everyone anyway, Jim."
Nothing beats dragging them into the Confessional Dave
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 22 May 19 - 12:41 PM

It's blatantly obvious to everyone anyway, Jim. There is absolutely no point in reinforcing what even a blind man on a flying horse can see.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 22 May 19 - 12:13 PM

"LePen"
Dave, if you're still there - I hope you can see the value of dragging this particular 'democrat supporter" out of his closet
Nothing like having confirmation from the horse's mouth as to where his sympathies really are
A BLAST FROM THE PAST
Jim

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 22 May 19 - 12:10 PM

”A confusing statement from someone who had earlier said:
A small nuclear device on Old Haddock-Face’s house would be a good start.
I suppose a period of little over half-an-hour is too long to remember ones own comments.”

When I wrote those two posts, I expected Iains to come on and play the clever-shit, but it was even beneath his doubtful dignity to stoop that low. He’s gone up a point or two in my estimation.

But good old Nitpicking-Nigs didnt let me down. You don’t understand the concept of wry humour do you, Nigs? Thought not.
Stick to nitpicking - it’s all you have.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 22 May 19 - 11:50 AM

"Sunday that figure will change significantly if the polls are to be believed."
Yeah - should be able to pick up six or seven hundred seats with no problem
Good luck with that one - I don't think so !!!
LePen
Just what Europe needs - a parliament full of Jew-haters
Nice to see you've kicked down yet another door to your closet
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 22 May 19 - 11:17 AM

As of now the Brexit party holds 14MEP seats. Sunday that figure will change significantly if the polls are to be believed.
Along with Le Pens's party and others there will be a useful block of seats to stall the march of further integration within the EU.
No amount of chittering will alter this inescapable reality, neither will ridiculous labels such as the brexit clan dreamed up by those that endlessly demonstrate that they are totally incapable of reasoned responses.

A sea change is coming- anyone for a ride on the skylark? The blue is a rather fetching colour!

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: DMcG
Date: 22 May 19 - 11:07 AM

Brexit was really of interest only to nerds … and to self declare: "UKIP was founded in 1993 by Alan Sked"

I went to one of his presentations, maybe around 1994. I wasn't convinced.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 22 May 19 - 11:01 AM

"22 seats"
The Brexit Klan (one hesitates to describe an unelected group of nutters a party) have obviously gone into Europe to wreck the EU - at present the EU boasts 751 elected members
Wonder what their chances are of bringing the EU down !!!
A standard sized fly swatter ought to do the trick

"Treasonous Mayhem:"
Somewhat "Anglophobic" eh what!!
What is it about Britain that inspires such self hatred from its supporters
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: DMcG
Date: 22 May 19 - 10:53 AM

Correction if Wikipedia is to believed: in 2014 UKIP got 24 seats.