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BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?

Dave the Gnome 16 May 19 - 07:59 AM
Steve Shaw 16 May 19 - 06:52 AM
Stanron 16 May 19 - 05:55 AM
Dave the Gnome 16 May 19 - 02:51 AM
Jim Carroll 16 May 19 - 01:56 AM
Stanron 15 May 19 - 10:27 PM
Steve Shaw 15 May 19 - 08:29 PM
Stanron 15 May 19 - 08:03 PM
Jim Carroll 15 May 19 - 07:40 PM
Steve Shaw 15 May 19 - 06:44 PM
Iains 15 May 19 - 06:30 PM
Iains 15 May 19 - 06:16 PM
WalkaboutsVerse 15 May 19 - 06:05 PM
Steve Shaw 15 May 19 - 05:56 PM
WalkaboutsVerse 15 May 19 - 05:26 PM
Steve Shaw 15 May 19 - 05:24 PM
Raggytash 15 May 19 - 05:08 PM
Stanron 15 May 19 - 04:57 PM
Dave the Gnome 15 May 19 - 04:29 PM
Raggytash 15 May 19 - 04:00 PM
Stanron 15 May 19 - 03:48 PM
Backwoodsman 15 May 19 - 03:38 PM
Jim Carroll 15 May 19 - 03:03 PM
Stanron 15 May 19 - 01:46 PM
Backwoodsman 15 May 19 - 01:27 PM
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 16 May 19 - 07:59 AM

Oh yes I fogot that of course, Stanron. Every rich person is self made and deserves it.

Jackanory, Jackanory, Jackanory...


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 16 May 19 - 06:52 AM

He's become mega-rich by inventing over-priced and unreliable technology that, er, works when it works...and by creaming off the CAP, which I will agree is the biggest absurdity of the EU. And I absolutely don't want to know what's in that nasty damp little trough at the bottom of every Dyson Airblade hand-dryer. Don't touch the sides whatever you do...


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Stanron
Date: 16 May 19 - 05:55 AM

It is not difficult to see that inequality between Dyson and the man in the street is a product of his inventiveness and hard work. He was not handed it on a plate by a cabal of hidden power brokers.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 16 May 19 - 02:51 AM

Where is the equality between Jean Claude Junker and me?

So the inequality between Dyson and the man in the the street is fine but the inequality between Junker and you is not? There is something seriously screwy with you logic, Stanron.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 16 May 19 - 01:56 AM

"Nationalism"
Now it all becomes clear !!!
Why didn't you say that in the first place ?
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Stanron
Date: 15 May 19 - 10:27 PM

Steve. Don't you get that Internationalism is an Ideology? It betrays Nationalism. If you support it you are, in Nationalistic terms, a traitor.

As for equality, where is the equality between a pope and a peasant? Where is the equality between Jean Claude Junker and me? You appear to be the ideologue and I am not seeing much in the way of rational argument


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 15 May 19 - 08:29 PM

That's the most ridiculous fantasy I've read in years. You are a tribal Tory, an ideologue of the very worst, self-interested kind. It ill-behoves you to criticise what you see as the ideology of those who are internationalists, who see people as human beings and who want to see a drive towards equality. You and your tribe, a tribe steeped in racism and xenophobia, can't even sniff that. And you have no understanding whatsoever of the way the EU works. Those of us who, unlike you who follows the Teribus path like sheep, go to the trouble of finding out, in contrast to people like you who operate solely on received wisdom, know that the EU is extremely imperfect and we freely acknowledge the need for reform, whilst knowing that the fundamental structures to achieve that are in place. But I can't discuss that with you because you've chosen to keep yourself wilfully and ideologically ignorant, typical Tory that you are. Your Roman Empire juxtaposition is just about the stupidest thing I've read here all day, and, believe me, you have some stiff competition. Try again.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Stanron
Date: 15 May 19 - 08:03 PM

Steve. Motes, beams and maybe the eyes are yours. Had it occurred to you that you may be the one tied to an ideology? The initial idea of the EU was a good one. Unfortunately what it has become is a kind of modern day re-iteration of the Roman Empire and it's successor the Holy Roman Church.

It is not interested in democracy, it is not interested in the welfare of it's subjects. It is interested in it's own wealth, status and power. Like the Catholic church it has an ideology, with which you appear to agree, it has a closed system of appointing it's own leaders and it enforces a hierarchical structure. I wonder whether St Cuthbert realised what he was doing when he gave in to Romes rule. Maybe he foresaw war and destruction if he tried to resist. The Irish church model seems to have been closer to the Cathar heresy and look what happened to them. It took us a millennium to get free of the Roman church. We are now in a position to extract ourselves from it's political equivalent. It's got to be worth the price.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 15 May 19 - 07:40 PM

"There seems to be a lot of confusion here between"
Checkmate, I think


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 15 May 19 - 06:44 PM

The UN has been serially emasculated by the United States, which mortally undermines it via detestable vetos and by failing to pay its dues, and by the general hegemony of those giant and corrupt nations which regard themselves as "superpowers." The EU may be twenty-eight nations, but the US is one nation almost as big and China is one nation four times as big. And the individual nations of the EU, what's more, enjoy individual sovereignty and nationalistic pride, in the best sense, that helps to retain their individuality. Your blinkers are preventing you from seeing the right targets. Shed your ideology and see the real picture.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 15 May 19 - 06:30 PM

Dyson have spotted the signs and done a runner

I think it would be polite if a mudelf wishes to make deletions and substitute their own material in my posts they should make it clear that they have done so


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 15 May 19 - 06:16 PM

There seems to be a lot of confusion here between Dyson the man (who is uk tax resident and paid 128 million pounds tax last year to the exchequer) and Dyson the company(record annual profits of £1.1bn for 2018) that pays tax on turnover in whatever country sales occur in. This is a subtlety overlooked by leftward leaning persons, whose knowledge of finance and accounting is so abysmal they trash the economy each time they are in power(eg Beneficent Brown flogging off a chunk of the UK gold reserves for a third of it's value)

As an individual Mr Dyson can move his assets wherever he wishes, for whatever reasons motivate him. This right is embedded in EU legislation. He employs 12000 worldwide, roughly 33% in UK. Like any astute business man he makes his widgets where they create most profit.
How much do those decrying him here pay in tax, or employ, or even have the nous to create anything?


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 15 May 19 - 06:05 PM

But you miss the point, Steve, that I am very much in favour of a stronger more-democratic UNITED Nations (partly via getting rid of "clubs" such as the EU, Commonwealth, African Union, etc.),


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 15 May 19 - 05:56 PM

I have a long memory and, though you haven't posted much recently, I recall you as a person who dresses up intolerance in the gentle cloak of poetry. I suggest you remind yourself as to how what we now know as the EU originated: as a recoil against the extreme nationalism that pitched us into two world wars. And it's worked. Argue misguidedly for brexit if you like, but kindly don't argue for a return to the sort of Europe that was constantly at war with itself for centuries and that gave us the two most dreadful events in human history, and the Holocaust to boot. Shame on you.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 15 May 19 - 05:26 PM

We don't just want to Brexit but to help get rid of the EU; apart from some local government, all any citizen of our world needs is their own nation & the United Nations; my poem, from WalkaboutsVerse, "Nationalism without Conquest"


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 15 May 19 - 05:24 PM

"...if you frighten them off we will all be seriously poorer."

Ah, so the mega-rich are holding the country to ransom then! Makes a change - it was always the unions in our day! Bwahahaha!

What hypocrisy...


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Raggytash
Date: 15 May 19 - 05:08 PM

Yet again Stanron, people from your side of the discussion have not answered a straightforward question.

How will the UK, as a whole, be better off if we leave the EU.

I have repeatedly asked this question for almost three years. Not once, not once, have I received a positive, coherent response.

IF someone could provide a reasoned response perhaps some of us may be convinced that leaving the EU was a good idea.

And again I ask ......... any good news about Brexit.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Stanron
Date: 15 May 19 - 04:57 PM

Percentage of income is Labour's rather weak response to the economic facts. The richest small percentage of our population pay vastly more in actual terms than the far larger poorest percentage. It's an embarrassing fact for the left so they muddy the waters by saying that the poorest pay a higher percentage of their income. You would have to be numerically challenged to not realise that the larger part of our income tax take comes from our richest residents and if you frighten them off we will all be seriously poorer.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 15 May 19 - 04:29 PM

Exactly the people who pay most of the income tax paid

Just what percentage of their income is taken in tax? How much disposable income do they have left? The figures may look large but if you compare the percentage to what you and I pay, it is peanuts. Is it fair that Dyson has millions left while some working people have to rely on food banks to make ends meet? If a Corbyn government evens things out a little, it can only be good.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Raggytash
Date: 15 May 19 - 04:00 PM

Well Stanron at the moment you don't have to worry about that because the conservatives are taking us to an unknown future.

In the past three years all I have read, heard, watched has told me that the British public will be worse off if we leave the EU than we would be if we remained within it.

Perhaps, as your 'colleagues' have been unable to, you could provide some positive forecasts.

Any good news perhaps?


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Stanron
Date: 15 May 19 - 03:48 PM

I am more concerned with the disaster to which we would all be would be condemned by a Corbyn government.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 15 May 19 - 03:38 PM

”Very good point. Exactly the people who pay most of the income tax paid”

And, of course, you miss the point - deliberately, I’m obliged to believe - which is that those people are in a position to ‘get out’ whilst the vast majority, who also pay their taxes at a level according to, and befitting, their significantly lower incomes, are considerably less able, and will be obliged to remain and suffer the disaster to which they are condemned by the Brexiteers.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 15 May 19 - 03:03 PM

""There is no suggestion that any action by Sir James Dyson, his family or his firms is unlawful in any way.""
So - those who make the laws get to break and manipulate them them with impunity
Iain was praising this tax dodging 'patriot' to the skies for how much tax he paid when it turns out he was dodging them just like the rest of his ilk
He has yet to tell us what this has to do with his financing Brexit then doing a runner when he realised its consequences
Don't suppose you'll tell us either
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Stanron
Date: 15 May 19 - 01:46 PM

Backwoodsman wrote: You forgot the two most important words that should appear between 'more' and 'people' - 'immensely wealthy'.
Very good point. Exactly the people who pay most of the income tax paid

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2580074/Top-25-earners-pay-75-ALL-income-tax-half-country-contributes-10.html


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 15 May 19 - 01:27 PM

"If Corbyn becomes PM you can expect a lot more people wanting to get out."

You forgot the two most important words that should appear between 'more' and 'people' - 'immensely wealthy'.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Stanron
Date: 15 May 19 - 01:13 PM

Here's a quote from one of your articles.

"There is no suggestion that any action by Sir James Dyson, his family or his firms is unlawful in any way."

It's his money and his business. He is allowed to take both where he wants to. I suspect a move from the UK would be more in anticipation of a Corbyn Government than of Brexit. If Corbyn becomes PM you can expect a lot more people wanting to get out.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 15 May 19 - 11:54 AM

INCIDENTALLY
AND
In 2010, Dyson transferred shares offshore to Malta, another tax haven. Following criticism, the move is being unwound. The firm said: "Dyson is a UK owned company, and paid taxes of over £100m in 2013. The administrative companies referred to in Malta will soon be inactive." [see footnote]
AND AGAIN
HABIT OF A LIFETIME - IT SEEMS
DYSON'S TAXPAYING in CONTEXT
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 15 May 19 - 10:49 AM

Meanwhile the Welsh People have taken to the streets again, demanding independence (a few more than "four" I think)
WONDER WHO OUR RESIDENT CAP-DOFFER WILL SIDE WITH !!!

"You even have to resort to swearing when posting outright lies about Mr Dyson."
Who says Dyson hasn't pissed off elsewhere with his factory (apart from you, apparently)
Don't forget to brush your teeth before you go to bed tonight
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 15 May 19 - 09:27 AM

More Facts:
FOUR Welsh assembly members (AMs) have sensationally joined the Brexit Party “with immediate effect” to give Nigel Farage’s party their first political representation at a national level.


Polls are generally accurate indications. When parties are polling neck and neck
accuracy diminishes to within 5-10 % points. This is a well known fact. As the percentages widen between the parties the inherent inaccuracies of the methodology fade away to insignificance. Pretty obvious really (to most)
I can always argue with facts. Your ideology, conjecture and blustering will never win an argument. You even have to resort to swearing when posting outright lies about Mr Dyson.
Had Mr Dyson wished to he could have made it so that his tax liability in the UK was minimal. Instead he paid a tax liability of 127£million (the thirdhighest in the UK) It is a contribution thousands of times bigger than you or your clones could contribute. Of course being the biggest recipient of CAP funds in the UK gives him a million plus reasons to keep smiling. Displaying your envy so publicly is a far from edifying sight.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 15 May 19 - 08:34 AM

"Care to explain how Dyson is the third largest individual taxpayer in the UK?"
Care to explain how his opissing off with his jobs has helped Britain in its time of need ?
No? - thought not!!
He has made his money out of Britain and has quite rightly, paid his taxes - as any other British citizen should - why should he be special for having done what he is obliged to do by law ?
Now he's fucked off and abandoned the consequences he and his like have brought on the heads of the British people
Delete - what does that mean ?
The upcoming elections - are you actually predicting after pouring contempt on experts predicting things ?
"very little point in trying to make a factual statement if the entire argument is predicated on "We estimate""
You really are not very good at this are you ?
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 15 May 19 - 07:58 AM

We find that Brexit has been an important source of uncertainty for many UK businesses We estimate that this led to a 6% reduction in investment in the first two years after the referendum, .................
Estimates are estimates, facts are facts, LIES are lies (as below)
Dyson have spotted the signs and done a runner
Care to explain how Dyson is the third largest individual taxpayer in the UK?

or will you simply agitate to have my post deleted as when facts become uncomfortable for remainiacs?

Never mind! Delete for all you are worth. The upcoming elections will demonstrate the unambiguous truth.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 15 May 19 - 07:27 AM

Very little point in discussing facts with someone who describes a report which is headed "Brexit is Already Affecting Britain as "We Estimate"
The facts stand - Businessmen like arch Brexiteer, Dyson have spotted the signs and done a runner, leaving those with no alternative to face the consequences
It seems Stanton has opted for sneering and pissed off along with Nigel

"Friedrich Hayek" died in 1950 - a fine source of information on 21st century economists - pity he didn't quote Jeremy Bentham - most people have heard of him
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 15 May 19 - 06:59 AM

The Brexit Party has today passed its goal of 100,000 people having signed up as registered supporters of the party, paying £25 each. That’s £2,500,000 raised in small donations in the course of just four weeks since the party launched. Expect the 100,000 members figure to be officially confirmed later today. Meanwhile Change UK have refused to reveal any information about donations they have received over the last two months…

The Tory Party last month revealed it has reached 150,000 members for the first time in almost a decade, but then promptly complained about it. If the Brexit Party continue their trajectory they’ll overtake the Tories in just over two weeks…


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 15 May 19 - 06:51 AM

Oh, and 2000!


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 15 May 19 - 06:50 AM

You know we are having EU elections later this month to elect those so called unelected bureaucrats that run our economy? Can anyone tell me when the next WTO elections are?


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 15 May 19 - 05:32 AM

very little point in trying to make a factual statement if the entire argument is predicated on "We estimate"

While accepting the Nobel prize for economics, Friedrich Hayek made an astonishing admission. Not only were economists unsure about their predictions, he noted, but their tendency to present their findings with the certainty of the language of science was misleading and “may have deplorable effects”.

Prakash Loungani at the IMF analysed the accuracy of economic forecasters and found something remarkable and worrying. “The record of failure to predict recessions is virtually unblemished,” he said.

His analysis revealed that economists had failed to predict 148 of the past 150 recessions


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 15 May 19 - 05:18 AM

Good intelligent answer Stan - for a Tory
Jim


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Stanron
Date: 15 May 19 - 04:23 AM

Nuts in May


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 15 May 19 - 03:35 AM

Where are all these people who are losing their jobs as firms close down suddenly managing to find them - Sainsburys hasn't got that many shelves needing stacking

We find that Brexit has been an important source of uncertainty for many UK businesses. We estimate that this led to a 6% reduction in investment in the first two years after the referendum, with employment also around 1.5% lower. And Brexit is likely to reduce future UK productivity by around half a percentage point via a batting average effect of output being reallocated away from higher productivity firms toward lower productivity ones. The majority of businesses anticipate that Brexit will eventually reduce sales and increase costs.
DETAILED BUSINESS STUDY HERE

THIS CONTINUES TO BE THE TREND IN BRITAIN

All this is a diversion anyway
'Patriots' like Dyson and Rees Mogg have advocated for and are pushing through Brexit while, having realised the realities of the above statements, have removed their money from Britain and have put it in a safer place
Those who are worst affected have no option but to bite the bullet and bear the brunt of the negative effects
It should be their right to confirm they wish to do so
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Raggytash
Date: 14 May 19 - 06:06 PM

Stanron, you are not included in the figures. It's as simple as that. You are past retirement age.

Children are not included in the figures because they haven't reached the age were they can, legally, be employed.

As for your suggestion that women are too occupied cleaning, washing and ironing etc betrays your age.

May I remind you we are living in the 21st Century ............ although some people of here seem to consider we still live in the Victorian era.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Stanron
Date: 14 May 19 - 05:25 PM

Raggytash wrote: So are the other 20.1% unemployed but not receiving benefits, do they exist at all, are they figures of someone imagination.
Raggytash, I'm 72 years old. I'm not employed. I'm not unemployed. I'm retired. Take everyone between the ages of 0 and 15 years old. They are not unemployed and they are not employed. They are too young. Do you think that underaged and retired do not add up to 20.1%. What about the ladies who don't work but manage the house, do the laundrey and look after the kids?


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 14 May 19 - 04:51 PM

UK wages rise again as employment rate stays at record high says ...
City A.M.-12 hours ago
... employment rate stays at record high says Office for National Statistics ... year when adjusting for inflation, the Office for National Statistics said today. ... when you could hire an extra worker and get broadly the same result?”.
Unemployment falls by 65000 but millions of workers remain in poverty
The Independent-10 hours ago
UK unemployment rate hits 45-year low
FRANCE 24-9 hours ago
UK employment remains at record high
Moneywise Magazine-8 hours ago
British unemployment rate hits 45-year low


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Raggytash
Date: 14 May 19 - 04:40 PM

Strange things figures.

Employment rate 76.1%
Unemployment rate 3.8%

Now to me that's a total of 79.9%

So are the other 20.1% unemployed but not receiving benefits, do they exist at all, are they figures of someone imagination.

I suspect it's the former of those options.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 14 May 19 - 04:05 PM

Urtter out of Context bollocks
British industry has already been set back several years w=ith shits like Dyson and teh rest elsewhere taing their work elsewhere
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 14 May 19 - 03:47 PM

The claim:
The decision to leave Europe set in motion shock waves that made it obvious that things could only get worse

The reality:
New figures released by the ONS this morning reveal that wages continued to rise above inflation from January to March, despite the quarter having been expected to end with the UK leaving the EU. Excluding bonuses, employees have seen wages rise by 3.3%, an inflation adjusted rise of 1.5% compared with a year earlier…

Meanwhile the UK employment rate was estimated at 76.1% rising from last year’s 75.6% and the joint-highest figure ever recorded. Unemployment has continued to fall, now at 3.8% it’s the lowest this country has seen since 1974. All despite Brexit…


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 14 May 19 - 02:57 PM

"Brexit hasn't happened, so it cannot have destabilised anything. "
The decision to leave Europe set in motion shock waves that made it obvious that things could only get worse
You start to leave when you head for the door, not when you shut it behind you Nigel
These are no longer 'predictions'
Why will you people not admit that it will take at least a decade to put right the damage that has already been done - that's if things don't get any worse
You want facts - go talk to the employers of Bombardier, all all the other firms that have done a runner
Thhe sick thing about all this is that Britain bunged the sectarian Party that is steering Northern Ireland out of Europe despite the hardship being experienced by the Northern Irish people - money and bigotry - a killer combination
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 14 May 19 - 02:42 PM

Brexit has already destabilised the British Economy and is hurting large numbers of British people - the warning from the economists that Brexit would make it impossible to plan for at least 20 years has already become an widely accepted fact
Brexit hasn't happened, so it cannot have destabilised anything. Fear brought on by the result of the referendum may have, but that is not the same thing.
More 'Project Fear'.
Is it worth pointing out that a supposition is not the same as a fact?
Or that the term 'widely accepted fact' is one only used by those who don't understand the word 'fact'?
A fact is something that is true. It is not something for which the validity changes depending on how widely it is accepted.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 14 May 19 - 02:32 PM

"Didn’t know that cabbages and turnips speak the same language..."
You've been talking to 'is 'ighness Chas again, haven't you ?
Jim


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 14 May 19 - 01:42 PM

I'm still having one
No matter how obediently you people choose to doff your caps, the fact remains that these bastards have pushed Britain into destabilisation and pissed off while the people are not even given the opportunity to back out now the crassness of Brexit has become obvious
Amazing what money can buy - innit
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 14 May 19 - 01:41 PM

Didn’t know that cabbages and turnips speak the same language...


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