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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture? From: Backwoodsman Date: 09 Sep 19 - 05:53 AM Dom and Dumber have one plan - this is a carefully-orchestrated run-down to a No-Deal Exit on 31/10/19. THAT’S IT! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture? From: Iains Date: 09 Sep 19 - 05:31 AM Blair made promises of a referendum in both 2004 and 2005. On 20 April 2004 the PM told Parliament it should debate the European constitutional question "in detail and decide upon it" and "then let the people have the final say".He ended the Commons statement with the war-cry: "Let the issue be put. Let the battle be joined."Fast-forward to the Labour election manifesto in 2005 and the language is as forthright.Blair promises: "We will put it [the constitution] to the British people in a referendum and campaign wholeheartedly for a Yes vote." 04 Jul 2007 Gordon Brown yesterday ruled out holding a referendum on a new European constitutional treaty as part of a wide-ranging package of reforms to give "more power to Parliament and the British people". 23 January 2013 PM Cameron: "It is time for the British people to have their say," he said. "It is time to settle this European question in British politics. I say to the British people: this will be your decision." Seems a pretty unambiguous statement that the people would decide. To turn around 5 minutes later and say it was only advisory rather flies in the face of the preceding hype, prior to the referendum. A clear case of unsurpassed parliamentary knavery to defy the will of the majority, aided by a clearly partisan speaker. Sovereignty is only ceded to parliament for a parliamentary session. When parliament is suspended for an election,sovereignty reverts to the people. Politicians need to be aware thet are not sovereign, only the people are. And the majority that voted leave are getting more than a little hacked off. After all the referendum was held on the basis that: "I say to the British people: this will be your decision." Reneging on that is an affront to democracy. The coming election will see the rebels routed and magic grandpa's party destroyed. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture? From: DMcG Date: 09 Sep 19 - 05:26 AM This whizzy idea to send two contradictory letters is bizarre. If he wanted to do something to convince any waverers for a vote tonight that he could not be trusted to obey the laws he could hardly have come up with a better idea. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture? From: Jim Carroll Date: 08 Sep 19 - 12:55 PM That was wonderful Baccie - cheered me up no end HAVE TO ADMIT I THOUGHT THE YOUNG LADY WAS TAKING THE PISS Apparently not You really couldn't make this stuff up Jim |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture? From: Backwoodsman Date: 08 Sep 19 - 11:34 AM Get Ready for No-Deal Brexit... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture? From: Steve Shaw Date: 08 Sep 19 - 09:42 AM Parliamentary democracy in this country relies absolutely on majorities passing motions/making laws. If you don't like what our MPs are doing, then you vote them out next time. What you don't get to do is wail and moan that MPs are undermining or negating democracy just because you don't agree, as long as proper process is being followed, which it has in every case recently. In terms of the referendum, it was called after a democratic vote in parliament. Same with Article 50. I hated both those decisions but there is no law against Parliament making stupid decisions as long as due process is followed. I see that the horrendous Leadsom now has the Speaker in her sights. She should remember that he's no leftie, a former Tory in fact, and that he's been steadfast and consistent in insisting that Parliament's role is protected and not undermined by an executive that finds its decisions inconvenient. Too bad. They'd better get a bigger majority next time is my advice. He's not going to allow vexatious manoeuvres such as bringing back the same motion over and over again by hypocrites who excoriate those calling for another referendum "until they get the right result." It's possible that Johnson may try to present a motion tomorrow suspending the Fixed Term Parliament Act (one of those very silly laws I was talking about) just to get the election he wants to have (he'd need a majority of just one, instead of the two-thirds required by law). It wouldn't work anyway, and I'd applaud the Speaker for disallowing that move on the grounds that Johnson would be trying vexatiously to subvert the will of Parliament. I've got little time for Bercow, but he's played a blinder in the last few months in my opinion. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture? From: Jim Carroll Date: 08 Sep 19 - 05:30 AM "Bozza will follow the law of the land (Broadcasting House right now." The Times seems to confirm that he will refuse to do follow any law passed, the rational being that he is now mounting a "people versus Parliament" populist campaign that has been successful in putting fascism back on the streets elsewhere, and Trump in the White House with Klan backing As they say, 'hang on, it's going to be a bumpy ride' Jim Carroll |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture? From: Steve Shaw Date: 08 Sep 19 - 04:48 AM Nadhim Zahawi refuses to say that Bozza will follow the law of the land (Broadcasting House right now...) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture? From: Iains Date: 08 Sep 19 - 04:42 AM Cheap shot, Iains. If you actually know how to use a computer, hover your mouse over the link and it will show you the details. -Joe Offer- Not so Joe.I use a laptop and have no mouse.All I can do is hover the cursor. I tried that and nothing happens. The only way I can read the title is to double click to open it in it's entirety. (and I have used computers since 1973) Perhaps you should address the continuous stream of abuse below. I don't know how many more times I'll have the energy to say this. But here goes. If you respond in any way at all to Iains, he will keep winding you up. I'm really sorry to say this, Jim, but you are the prime mover here when it comes to keeping him going and I for one haven't a bloody clue why you feel the need to keep on doing it. He is not poisoning the world. He is poisoning the tiny group of us who can be arsed to read his posts (and I'm not even one of them any more - I go into auto-skip as soon as I see his name). He doesn't matter. I learn a lot by reading the measured views of the reasonable contributors here. But you, Jim, above all others (though you're not alone), are guilty of keeping this bastard going. When we don't respond he acts like an hysterical kid, desperately seeking attention by posting more and more stupid and irrelevant nonsense to try to wind us up. Jim, he's a bloody idiot who has nothing to say, nothing to contribute. His modus operandi is to wind you up. I appeal to you to try once and for all to try to see it. Honestly, Jim, we can make him go away, even if the mods won't. Ignore him, let him rant on, and eventually he'll disappear up his own unwashed hysterical arsehole. Could I be more direct? Try me! I post factual content and rarely omit fully supporting links to substantiate my arguments. Shaw by contrast pontificates as the absolute authority on all things yet in 23000 posts have never backed up a single assertion with a link.(yet I am instructed to provide links) Do we have a level playing field or do we not? Are we not all subject to the same rules posting on mudcat. I have received a constant stream of abuse off shaw for years. Does he have have a get out of jail card while I am suspended? IF people deliberately misinterpret what I say to attach labels such as racist, fascist, mental midget etc then if mods will not respond I will. I represent the majority view on Brexit ie LEAVE. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture? From: Steve Shaw Date: 08 Sep 19 - 04:42 AM I wouldn't mind betting that the Queen would rather like Johnson to bite the dust. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture? From: Raggytash Date: 08 Sep 19 - 04:33 AM Today Amber Rudd has resigned from Boris Johnson's cabinet. I am reminded of the Queen song " another one's gone, another one's gone, another one bites the dust" |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture? From: Dave the Gnome Date: 08 Sep 19 - 04:27 AM PM sent, Jim. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture? From: Steve Shaw Date: 08 Sep 19 - 04:23 AM "Some of the links provided in this threads are to articles suggesting that the agriculture industry will be the first to suffer from a hard Brexit." Ironic, innit, then, that farmers were among the most enthusiastic leave voters. I'm not a farmer but I live on a farm and most of my neighbours are farmers, so I'll leave it there. The average conversation with a farmer about brexit really gets me scratching my head. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture? From: Jim Carroll Date: 08 Sep 19 - 04:08 AM Dave - you miss my point I hardly respond to this feller and I never do so in expectation of an answer I hope to allow him to humiliate himself and he seldom lets me down I believe hiis behaviour is driving away Breciteers who might - just might be capable of putting up an argument rather than the stream of invective and personal abuse we are getting here Let's face it - if someone acted as he does here in a live situation, he would be taken into care for his own protection - just try putting him in your local - to be pitied rather than despised I was told his behaviour would be 'looked into' - no signs of it having been so far Let's leave it there Jim |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture? From: Dave the Gnome Date: 08 Sep 19 - 03:53 AM I need to be able to bounce my ideas and opinions of people who question them Agreed. But questioning your ideas is not just quoting right wing sites and abusing you. If you really want to debate, discuss your ideas with someone who does question them and puts some thought into it. Don't respond to someone who just parrots propaganda. All you are doing is smearing the shit further. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture? From: Jim Carroll Date: 08 Sep 19 - 03:05 AM Steve I am still happy to allow Iains to humiliate himself as he is doing If somebody doesn't he will continue to pollute these threads with his propaganda unhindered Even Joe, who up to now has defended his presence, has gone as far as to point out the stupidity of his postings - the other Mods have been referring to him as a troll for a while now - progress enough for now). To be honest, I am grateful for the opportunity to put up the facts and figures I have as often as I am able - they can't be said enough Christ knows, the one thing this subject has lacked from day one is an intelligent and articulate argument defending Brexit - Stanron and Nigel avoid involvement (if I was in their position wouldn't want my name associated with behaviour such as Iains's) I don't enter into long arguments with him - I made that mistake with someone else, but an occasional dose of putting him where he belongs woks like a dose of Philosan for me. With the greatest respect to the rest of you, as much as I enjoy being in the company of those I respect and agree with, I need to be able to bounce my ideas and opinions of people who question them - I think we all do otherwise we become complacent Enough of this before we close the thread, which I have no doubt is why Iaians behaves as he does Jim |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture? From: Neil D Date: 08 Sep 19 - 02:45 AM Some of the links provided in this threads are to articles suggesting that the agriculture industry will be the first to suffer from a hard Brexit. Meanwhile here in the U S farmers were the first on either side to be casualties in the ill-conceived tariff war that Trump started with China. So are farmers the canaries in the coalmines when it comes to economic catastrophe. My father grew up the son of a lease farmer in the 20's and 30's. He said his community was suffering for quite a while before the Great Depression began in 1929. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture? From: Dave the Gnome Date: 08 Sep 19 - 02:29 AM Rats joining a sinking ship! What next? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture? From: Steve Shaw Date: 07 Sep 19 - 07:54 PM And now I see that the detestable John Mann has joined the Tories. Detestable, disreputable and downright bloody thick. Good riddance! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture? From: Steve Shaw Date: 07 Sep 19 - 07:42 PM Right. I don't know how many more times I'll have the energy to say this. But here goes. If you respond in any way at all to Iains, he will keep winding you up. I'm really sorry to say this, Jim, but you are the prime mover here when it comes to keeping him going and I for one haven't a bloody clue why you feel the need to keep on doing it. He is not poisoning the world. He is poisoning the tiny group of us who can be arsed to read his posts (and I'm not even one of them any more - I go into auto-skip as soon as I see his name). He doesn't matter. I learn a lot by reading the measured views of the reasonable contributors here. But you, Jim, above all others (though you're not alone), are guilty of keeping this bastard going. When we don't respond he acts like an hysterical kid, desperately seeking attention by posting more and more stupid and irrelevant nonsense to try to wind us up. Jim, he's a bloody idiot who has nothing to say, nothing to contribute. His modus operandi is to wind you up. I appeal to you to try once and for all to try to see it. Honestly, Jim, we can make him go away, even if the mods won't. Ignore him, let him rant on, and eventually he'll disappear up his own unwashed hysterical arsehole. Could I be more direct? Try me! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture? From: Iains Date: 07 Sep 19 - 03:19 PM IF you cannot be bothered to give links their original titles I do not bother to read them. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture? From: Jim Carroll Date: 07 Sep 19 - 02:37 PM "We can but hope :-)" Pity he cant take one of ours with him He's even comparing himself with the rest of us now - talk about delusions of grandeur I'VE GOT TIRED PUTTINg THESE ARTICLES UP - HE CAN'T EVEN READ Jim Carroll |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture? From: Iains Date: 07 Sep 19 - 02:23 PM Interesting snippet from the Telegraph.(4 April 2019 • 2:21pm) "Today there’s a new one for Brexit obsessives to consider: what if disgraced Labour MP Fiona Onasanya had served three months in prison for perverting the course of justice, instead of being released after four weeks? The answer is that Britain would, more than likely, be heading towards a no-deal Brexit next week." Now wots all that about majorities? Jim I was told by Joe to give links if I was offering facts. Does the same stipulation not apply to you? I look forward to seeing links that support your 'observations', or alternatively a clarification you were merely offering your opinions. Trampling over the views of half the electorate, whichever way they voted, should not be an option. Pray tell, what on earth are remainiacs doing if not exactly that? They are overturning the majority vote as well. All caused by releasing a criminal from jail early. Sovereignty: a viewpoint https://www.thearticle.com/who-is-sovereign-people-or-parliament# |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture? From: Dave the Gnome Date: 07 Sep 19 - 01:52 PM We can but hope :-) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture? From: Backwoodsman Date: 07 Sep 19 - 01:45 PM The shape of things to come...?? :-) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture? From: Dave the Gnome Date: 07 Sep 19 - 01:24 PM I have lost count of the number of times I have said this. 17 million voted to leave. 16 million voted to stay. 13 million did not say one way or another. Whatever happens a lot of people are going to be pissed off. A compromise is the only way to satisfy most people. No deal is not a compromise. Trampling over the views of half the electorate, whichever way they voted, should not be an option. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture? From: Jim Carroll Date: 07 Sep 19 - 01:19 PM Johnson has been warned by former head prosecutor, Lord Macdonald, that he could face prosecution, and evenn jail, if he refuses to obey the House of Lord's instruction to delay Brexit - but i'm sure we have someone here who knows Lord Macdonald hasn't got a clue what he's talking about - no prizes - "That Jim, is merely your view." Common sense, common humanity and basic political philosophy You would not be familiar with any of these, of course, as you spend so much time proving I'm afraid as you constantly prove you can't tell the difference between democracy and lynch-mob populism Over and out - ha my week's fun humiliating you Jim Carroll |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture? From: Iains Date: 07 Sep 19 - 11:46 AM That Jim, is merely your view. I doubt many share it. The referendum was a yes, no answer - do we stay, or do we go. You continue to introduce false arguments to try to give legitimacy to your narrative but unfortunately 17.4 million totally disagreed with you. It will be interesting to see who the final winners are! The longer this farce continues, the worse the outcome will be. British politics will never be the same again. The majority will be most unhappy if they continue to be thwarted. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture? From: Jim Carroll Date: 07 Sep 19 - 11:10 AM The claim that Brexit was decided on democratic is a lie that needs to be nipped in the bud Democracy demands that voting takes place on the basis of full and accurate information - a basic tenet of the system From day one the voters were lied to and essential information held from them Even if this had taken place, it does not mean that decisions arrived at were 'democratic' - patently not so in the case of Brexit The driving force behind Brexit was racism and xenophobia, the result of which has led to a 42% rise in recist incidents Far from expanding the rights of the British people, the Brexit vote has undermined and endangered and even removed the rights of several million non indigenous British citizens his has been compounded by the failure of the state to protect the rights and even lives of these citizens FACTS Maybe iyt's time for somebody to examine the legality of the racist campaing in the light of the subsequent hate-incidents it has caused so far Just a thought Jim Carroll |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture? From: Iains Date: 07 Sep 19 - 09:25 AM Tory rebels are preparing to take Johnson to court if he doesn not apply for an extension to Brexit on October 9th - I'm sure our populist ranter knows they are wasting their time VERY GLAD TO SEE YOU USE THE TERM REBELS Well we have a couple of arguments to be tested: 1)Did the recent bill require Queen's consent 2)Can rebels force the government of the day to submit for Queen's Assent a bill they do not support. As the rebels like to resort to the courts, perhaps it is time for Boris and the quiet brexiteer majority to use the same tactics. I suspect the bill was allowed it's untrammelled passage because it contains a fatal flaw that filibustering might have exposed. There was a reason for rushing the bill through. No doubt all will be revealed in the fullness of time. One view below https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/brexit/2019/09/02/proponents-of-the-new-bill-to-stop-no-deal-face-a-significant-dilemma-over-queens-cons They say the speaker cannot be challenged but no doubt Erskine May has been fully scrutinised and government lawyers are testing the legality of the speakers pronouncements. Extraordinary times call for extraordinary measures. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture? From: Jim Carroll Date: 07 Sep 19 - 08:29 AM Tory rebels are preparing to take Johnson to court if he doesn not apply for an extension to Brexit on October 9th - I'm sure our populist ranter knows they are wasting their time Crowds are beginning to gather in London and other places throughout Britain to protest at Johnson's fascist behaviour - one part of the people's voice that will be totally ignored by the goose-steppers I wonder if the police will turn up to monitor the march after the way Fuhrer Johnson has used them as political chess-pieces ? DETAILED STUDY of EFFECTof BREXIT on FOOD and AGRICULTURE Jim Carroll |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture? From: Iains Date: 07 Sep 19 - 08:19 AM Devious tricks and counter measures https://www.theworldlawgroup.com/news/england-can-parliament-prevent-a-no-deal-brexit I wonder who wins this one? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture? From: Raggytash Date: 07 Sep 19 - 08:02 AM What price government plans for a no-deal Brexit I wonder. Farmers are already experiencing problems. Problems already. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture? From: Iains Date: 07 Sep 19 - 08:01 AM “They just passed a law that would force me to beg Brussels for an extension to the Brexit deadline. This is something I will never do.” (From a Guardian report today) As usual the Guardian is incorrect. Parliament and the Lords may have created a bill. It does not become law until it receives Royal Assent. This final part of creating UK law is sometime in the future(possibly further than you think) You are spreading false news. This is very remiss of you. You should apologise for dreadfully misleading us! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture? From: Raggytash Date: 07 Sep 19 - 06:41 AM "The prime minister reportedly wrote to Tory members on Friday evening pledging to break the law that will require him to seek an extension of article 50. “They just passed a law that would force me to beg Brussels for an extension to the Brexit deadline. This is something I will never do.” (From a Guardian report today) Isn't it great that the leader of this country, who only yesterday was supporting a police recruitment drive, says he is going to break the law. Isn't it great that the leader of this country supports law and order so much. Wouldn't it be fantastic to see him sent down for breaking the law, makes me ALMOST wish he would! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture? From: Iains Date: 07 Sep 19 - 06:32 AM It's not the first time Tories have used the police (or the army) to force through an unpopular agenda An agenda to leave the EU, voted for by a majority? In reality a popular agenda by majority decision. A stunning example of your mental agility, or perhaps total misunderstanding of the voting statistics. The fact that the left has difficulty accepting the majority decision does not alter either it's legality or popularity. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture? From: Jim Carroll Date: 07 Sep 19 - 05:51 AM Should b EU leaders of course Jim Carroll |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture? From: Jim Carroll Date: 07 Sep 19 - 05:14 AM Couple of interesting snippets in this mornings Times I missed on last night's news The expelled Tory rebels have struck a deal with Brexit leaders to secure a three month extension on Brexit Donald Trump is demanding that Britain and its NATO partners pay a share of building his Mexican wall Jim Carroll |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture? From: Jim Carroll Date: 07 Sep 19 - 04:31 AM Johnson has been condemned by the Chief of Police for using the Police force to make deliver a political message He says they were told he would be talking about law and order - instead, he used his visit to promote his personal take on Brexit I think he might have been concerned that one of his constables nearly died of boredom during Johnsons meandering speech It's not the first time Tories have used the police (or the army) to force through an unpopular agenda, and I doubt if it will be the last Jim Carroll |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture? From: Iains Date: 07 Sep 19 - 04:19 AM The increasingly hysterical left. From: Steve Shaw Date: 05 Sep 19 - 05:41 PM this inveterate seeker-of-attention. He's getting more and more silly, more infantile, more immature, more off-topic and more shrill, almost hysterical at times by now, I look forward to seeing examples, are you taking a lead from sparky, or having a Prosecco moment? It seems you deliberately, or are unable, to understand plain English. Is this in order to have a platform to justify continuous insults? The reality is that I post facts and statistics with accompanying links that you are not able to refute. You adopt the identical stance with Mr Guido Fawkes. Have any of you managed to refute any facts he posts? You may think yourself clever having many posts of mine deleted but reality is not changed as a result. For example yesterday I posted that Gina Millars/Major's court case was rejected. Manipulation by the darkside made it vanish. https://order-order.com/2019/09/06/gina-miller-john-major-lose-prorogation-case/ You all seem unable to think beyond the continuous false narrative fed to you by the Guardian. You even act as though your losing side won the referendum. Is that a shining example of snowflake entitlement? With the current turmoil in parliament deleting the above would seem bizarre. Rabid remainers are resorting to the courts to try to force parliament to acquiesce to their minority views. 17.4 million people have spoken, they are the majority.(irrefutable fact!) In order to impose your minority views on the majority you seem quite oblivious to the fact that you destroy democracy. Parliament voted to give the decision to the people. Now they have reneged. Do you seriously think the majority will accept this? Why else is corbyn scared to face the people? They will have their say and the outcome may well be untidy. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture? From: Jim Carroll Date: 07 Sep 19 - 02:43 AM It is a crying shame that the only Brexiteer who strikes me of having a shred of honesty about what he believes will only post in defence of the worst of his sorry little bunch My Welsh optician commented a few weeks ago that, whenever he asked fellow ex-pats why they supported leaving (if they did) - "why", they refused to discuss their reasons The deafening absence of logical argument from Brexiteers here bears that out - an indication that they don't know why they wish to leave or they are ashamed to tell us why. That seems to be a summing up of the whole, sorry business Jim Carroll |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture? From: Steve Shaw Date: 06 Sep 19 - 06:42 PM No, Nigel, I really have stopped reading them. Doesn't mean I can't do a quick scan to spot the rabid and hysterical insults. I've always been able to do that. A skill worth acquiring, I suggest. Now instead of your nitpicking, which we naturally all enjoy (at your expense, though you never see it), why don't you come clean and tell us what you think of his posts? Careful now, Nige... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture? From: Steve Shaw Date: 06 Sep 19 - 06:35 PM You might have thought that Bozza's week couldn't get worse. But Sky News have revealed this hand-written Bozza note from mid-August, at the time he was lying to us about his assurance that Parliament wouldn't be prorogued: "The whole September session is a rigmarole introduced by girly swot Cameron to show the public that MPs were earning their crust." Hands up those who think he's just a big girl's blouse... :-) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture? From: DMcG Date: 06 Sep 19 - 04:41 PM At the end of last week on Newnight four people were asked to predict the events of this week in terms of how votes would go. No one says prediction is easy, of course, but one was Tom Harwood from Guido Fawkes - he seems to be on BBC quite a lot - and his prediction was dramatically wrong. Pretty much he said Johnson would win everything this week and would be dominating the house at this point. There may, perhaps, have been too much confidence and too little analysis. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture? From: Jim Carroll Date: 06 Sep 19 - 04:36 PM "Surely ONE of them could come up with something better." I think they used to pass the shared brain around until one of them accidntally dropped it Jim |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture? From: Raggytash Date: 06 Sep 19 - 04:07 PM It is quite pathetic when Brexiteers can only respond with sound bites from a right wing blogger with a criminal past. Surely ONE of them could come up with something better. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture? From: Iains Date: 06 Sep 19 - 03:44 PM We could always trade assent for an election. But chlorinated corbyn is frit. The first time in history the opposition party has turned down a chance to get elected. What a sorry shower. Quite happy to thwart the will of the majority but scared to attempt to legitimise their hijacking of Parliament. Even the EU is getting tired of magic grandad and trying to stay abreast of his ever changing stance on Brexit. Guido sums it up very aptly: https://order-order.com/2019/09/06/cchq-sends-lobby-jeremys-frightened-chicken/ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture? From: Jim Carroll Date: 06 Sep 19 - 03:14 PM "Step five successful." Seconded on that one Personally I'd love to see the Government attempt to "kick its heels' in the present atmosphere That should dive at least another couple of dozen believers i Parliamentary democracy out of the Party if it doesn't elicit a handful of writs against any fascist bastard who would attempt such a thing after already having his undemocratic arse kicked From the present appearance of Johnson, I'd say he was looking for a gas oven to put his head into I don't think there's been such a severe case of shell-shock since the Armistice I pity his partner when he goes home at night, but maybe she has a solution for getting wine stains out of the carpet Iim |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture? From: Raggytash Date: 06 Sep 19 - 03:13 PM As far as I am aware the last time Royal ascent was refused was in 1707. Three hundred and twelve years ago. Just saying .......... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture? From: Nigel Parsons Date: 06 Sep 19 - 03:07 PM At the risk of being accused, yet again, of nit-picking: From: Steve Shaw Date: 05 Sep 19 - 05:41 PM Might I suggest that we preserve a civil discussion here and utterly ignore/blank/talk past every single post of Iains'. Even those ones where he pretends that he's being "reasonable." That's part of his game, and he always reverts to type very quickly, and you know it. We've done so well in recent weeks and we can see the effect it's having on this inveterate seeker-of-attention. He's getting more and more silly, more infantile, more immature, more off-topic and more shrill, almost hysterical at times by now, the more we sideline him. A handful only of us read his posts. I for one have stopped reading them altogether. Can anyone on the leave side see the logical fallacy above? |