BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: peteglasgow
Date: 18 Dec 19 - 02:42 PM

uk governments - usually tory - have supported over 90% of EU laws and proposed many of them. why would there be any need to amend or scrap them?

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 18 Dec 19 - 05:41 PM

It's over 95% actually, Pete, and most of them have been arrived at by consensus. When you consider that it's consensus by 28 countries, that's pretty good going. It's because almost all of those regulations were common sense, and you can bet your life that we'll stick with almost all of them when we leave. We'll have to see whether chlorinated chickens and GM beef stuffed with illegal hormones will also be spun to us as common sense.

And, up 'til now, we've had the power of veto over any major changes we don't like.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 19 Dec 19 - 03:23 AM

A 2012 scientific opinion by European Food Safety Authority (EFSA) recommends changes to the EU’s own meat inspection procedures, criticizing its efforts for detecting and controlling Campylobacter and Salmonella in chicken meat. Regarding chemical intervention, the opinion further states that “chemical substances in poultry are unlikely to pose an immediate or acute health risk for consumers.”19This followed the release of 2011 guidelines issued by the international food safety organization Codex Alimentarius Commission (Codex) for the control of Campylobacter and Salmonella in chicken meat.20 These Codex guidelines cover, among other types of production controls, the use of certain hazard-based control measures, including acidified sodium chlorite and trisodium phosphate, among other antimicrobial rinses and oxidants.

In the view of the United States. the EC measures appear to be inconsistent with the EC's WTO obligations, including, but not limited to, the following:

    SPS Agreement Articles 2.2, 5, and 8, and Annex C(1);
   
    GATT 1994 Articles X:1 and XI:1;
   
    Agriculture Agreement Article 4.2; and
   
    TBT Agreement Article 2.

According to the United States, the EC measures also appear to nullify or impair the benefits accruing to the United States directly or indirectly under the cited agreements. (2009)
As far as I am aware the dispute is still ongoing.
The US is the second biggest exporter of chicken in the world, after Brazil. Up until 1997 the US chicken exports to EU were worth 300,000$
Perhaps there is a whiff of protectionism involved.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Raggytash
Date: 19 Dec 19 - 03:48 AM

Unsupported tosh

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 19 Dec 19 - 04:43 AM

Unsupported? I alwways post facts!
https://www.wto.org/english/tratop_e/dispu_e/cases_e/ds389_e.htm

https://fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/R40199.pdf

Tosh? That is for experts to determine. Sometimes lefties take their sense of entitlement just too far.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Raggytash
Date: 19 Dec 19 - 04:59 AM

Well boys and girls that served it's purpose. We now know that this is based on a complaint from the USA to the WTO about EU regulations.

Now just who has a vested interest in this.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Raggytash
Date: 19 Dec 19 - 05:08 AM

Sorry got sidetracked I will be back.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Raggytash
Date: 19 Dec 19 - 05:18 AM

"Chicken meat, says the report, is also an important source of Enteritidis infections. Last December, the FSIS reported that 22% of establishments that produce chicken parts failed to meet the Salmonella performance standard. The percentage of samples of chicken meat and intestinal contents that yielded Enteritidis were similar in 2018 compared to those during 2015-7.
"Poultry-and-eggs-remain-the-major-source-of-food-poisoning-in-the-US

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 19 Dec 19 - 05:22 AM

Good to see Thornberry has her hat in the ring for the leadership of the Labour party.
Let me see now. Was she not fired for tweeting her contempt for the "white van Man"?

Ths is better than the muppet show! Guarantees a few more decades in the wilderness for labour.

Obviously lessons learnt and ideology do nor mix. Brill!

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 20 Dec 19 - 09:35 AM

Jeremy Corbyn was left humiliated in the House of Commons today as he was jeered by Tory MPs for claiming Boris Johnson's Brexit deal will result in maggots in orange juice.
(Worzel appears to be losing it. Must be time to put him back in the allotment so he can converse with turnips.)

Meanwhile 4 wrecking amendments were placed before the house to wreck Bojo's Brexit deal.

Needless to say the new speaker treated them with the contempt they deserved, and ignored them.
The Commons is expected to approve the second reading of Mr Johnson's WAB - the legislation needed to make an orderly Brexit on January 31 happen - in its final act before the Christmas break.

With Mr Johnson now commanding a majority of 80 following his thumping election win last week, the WAB is expected to sail through after every Tory MP was required to sign up in writing to support it.
No more burkes allowed in the tory ranks, only berks.

Ijus hope he presents his legislation in an unsinkable fashion so the meddling millar cannot fight it. It is time to declare her a vexatious litigant.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 20 Dec 19 - 09:44 AM

All the literate bits of the 09.35 AM post were copied and pasted from the Daily Mail without attribution.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 20 Dec 19 - 10:48 AM

It would be nice if you would make it clear who you're referring to,

Perhaps he is merely following the lead of the opposition turnip!

It would be nice if you distinguished between fact,fiction or merely whimsy!

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 22 Dec 19 - 09:50 AM

There are TOO MANY UK POLITICAL THREADS GOING on this American folk and blues music site. These things repel users and the fighting bleeds into other threads. Constrain yourselves to one thread.