BS: Climate Catastrophe

Subject: RE: BS: Climate Catastrophe
From: Donuel
Date: 14 Feb 19 - 09:25 AM

My all time favs are videos of Tsunamis washing a thousand Nissan Cubes out into the sea.

Subject: RE: BS: Climate Catastrophe
From: Donuel
Date: 14 Feb 19 - 09:22 AM

I think it is certainly apparent by now that one of the things I enjoy in life is excess. I like things that are excessive. I like excessive behavior. Excessive language. Excessive nonsense. It’s fun. It’s interesting. It’s exciting and suspenseful unlike Keboroxu who is afraid of the weather. I like it when nature is excessive. That’s why I like natural disasters. All these natural disasters that have been going on. I love them. I can’t get enough of them. Oh. When nature’s going crazy, throwing things around, scaring people and destroying property, I’m a happy guy. I look at it this way, for centuries now man has done everything he can to destroy, defile and interfere with nature. Clear-cutting forests, strip-mining mountains, poisoning the atmosphere, over fishing the oceans, polluting the rivers and lakes. Destroying wetlands and aquifers. So when nature strikes back and smacks man in the head and kicks him in the nuts. I enjoy that. I have absolutely no sympathy for human beings whatsoever. None. And no matter what kind of problem humans are facing whether it’s natural or man made. I always hope it gets worse. Don’t you? Don’t you? Don’t you have a part of you, a part of you that secretly hopes everything gets worse? When you see a big fire on TV, don’t you hope it spreads? Don’t you hope it gets completely out of control and burns down six counties? You don’t root for a fireman, do you? I mean I don’t want him to get hurt or nothin’ but I don’t want him putting out my fire. That’s my fire. That’s nature showing off and having fun. Fires are small disasters tht can go out of control. You know something else I like? Those spring floods in the Midwest. Aren’t they great? Like clockwork. Spring floods now come anytime in the Midwest and now New England. But I’m starting to notice, I’m starting to catch on that every year it’s the same story. Another flood in the same place with the same people on the same man made Houston river. SAME FUCKING PEOPLE! And these people do not move. They will not fucking move. They repaint, put down new carpeting and wallpaper and they move right back into the same fucking house on the flood plain next to the river and then they wonder why grandma’s floating downstream with a parakeet on her head. Fourth time. Again. Fourth fucking time. There’s no learning curve with these people. It’s very hard to feel sorry for them. Every year same people. Same rowboats. Out there paddling around, rescuing a chicken. What kind of a life is that? “Well. Our kids love it here.” Oh, really. What do they got, gills? And while they’re showing all that action on the screen, the announcer is saying to me, “It’s been raining steadily for three months now. The ground can’t hold any more water. The river is cresting higher than it has in two centuries. The levies have washed away” and I just hope it keeps raining, and raining, and raining, and raining, and raining, and raining, and raining, and raining, and raining, and raining, and raining, and raining, and raining, and it rains steadily for five years. And then after that. For ten years it’s cloudy with occasional showers. And the river never returns to its natural banks. It becomes a completely new river. And the borders of three states have to be changed. And all the maps and atlases have to be redrawn and reprinted. And no one’s couch ever completely dries out. For years and years, every time they sit down, there’s always a little squish. “Dan. Linda. Come on in, you guys. Have a seat. Squish, squish.” I like that. I’m an interesting guy. I always hope that no matter how small the original problem is it’s going to grow into bigger and bigger proportions that get completely out of control. And I’ll give you a concrete example. Let’s say a water main breaks in downtown Los Angeles and it floods an electrical substation knocking out all the traffic lights and tying up the entire city and emergency vehicles can’t get through. And at the same time one of those month long global warming heat waves comes along but there’s no air conditioning. There’s no water for sanitation. So measles, cholera, small pox and dysentery break out and thousands of people start dying in the streets. But before they die, parasites eat their brains. And they go completely fucking crazy, and they storm the hospital. But the hospital can’t handle all the casualties. So these people rape all the nurses and set the hospital on fire. And the flames drive them even crazier so they start stabbing social workers and garbage men. And a big wind comes along and the entire city goes up in flames and the people who are still healthy they get mad at the sick people and they start crucifying them. Nailing them to crosses. Trying on their underwear, shit like that. Then everybody smokes crack and PCP and they march on city hall where they burn the mayor at the stake, strangle his wife and take turns sodomizing the statue of Robert Lee. And at this point, at this point it looks like pretty soon things are going to start to get out of control. So everybody panics and tries to leave the city at the same time. And they trample each other to death in the streets by the thousands and wild dogs eat their corpses. And the wild dogs chase the rest of the people down the highway. And one by one the dogs pick off the old fucks and the slow people because they’re in the fast lane where they don’t belong. Get the fuck out of the fast lane if you’re an old fuck, if you’re a slow fuck, get over on the right, get over on the right. And then, the lucky ones, the lucky people who manage to make it all the way outside of town they discover when they get there, the big sparks from the city have lit the suburbs on fire and the suburbs burn uncontrollably. And thousands of identical homes have identical fires with identical smoke killing all the identical soccer moms and their identical kids named Jason and Jennifer. And now. Now the fire spreads to the farmlands and the farmlands burn intensely of 425 degrees creating millions of baked potatoes. And as the farmlands burn. As the farmlands burn. Thousands of barns and farmhouses begin to explode from all hidden methamphetamine labs. And the meth chemicals and opioids run downhill into the rivers and streams where wild animals drink the water and get completely geeked out on speed. So bears and wolves amped up on crank start roaming the countryside looking for people to eat even though they’re not really hungry. Then the fire spreads to the forest. And the forest burn furiously. And hundreds of elves and trolls and fairies come running out of the woods screaming, “Bambi is dead. Bambi is dead!” And he is. He is. Finally. Bambi is dead. Dead. Now, hundreds of regional fires come together into one huge interstate inferno. And all 12 of the western United States are burning out of control except Utah where the Mormons don’t allow fires. And the fires spreads across the Great Plains toasting the wheat, cooking the cattle and producing hamburgers actually. Then it leaps to Mississippi and races through the Southern trailer parks blowing up stills and interrupting lynching’s and killing millions of inbred people. And then it turns northeast and it heads for Washington, D.C. Where Donald Trump can’t decide if it’s an emergency or not. He can’t decide if there was enough raking. He doesn’t know. Wow. Oh it’s hard work. You know. He can’t decide because his cabinet is in prison. So instead he takes a nap. He takes a nap. He puts his empty, fucking brainless head down on the little pillow his mother gave him at Christmas time and he takes a fucking nap! So the fire moves to Philadelphia but it’s a weekend and Philadelphia’s closed on the weekends. So the fire moves to New York City and the people of New York tell the fire to go fuck itself. “Go fuck yourself.” And it does. And it does. So instead it burns down Long Island and Connecticut killing all the rich white assholes and completely destroying their evil Faggoty golf courses. And while all this is going on, Canada burns to the ground but nobody notices. And now the entire North American continent is on fire producing a huge thermal updraft and creating an incendiary cyclonic macro system that forms a hemispheric mega storm breaking down the molecular structure of the atmosphere and actually changing the laws of nature. Fire and water combine. Burning clouds of flaming rain fall upward. Gamma rays and solar winds ignite the ionosphere creating huge clouds of ionized plasma. Bolts of lightning 20 million miles long begin shooting out of the North Pole. And the sky fills up with green shit. And then suddenly the entire fabric of space-time splits in two. A huge crack in the universe opens and all the dead people from the past begin falling through. Babe Ruth. Groucho Marx. Davy Crockett, Tiny Tim, Porky Pig, Hitler, Janis Joplin, Alan Ludden my Uncle Chris, your Uncle Chris. Everybody’s Uncle Chris. An endless stream of para people falling through the crack. And all the dead 'almost people' gather around a heavenly kitchen table. They light up cigarettes and they begin to talk. They talk about how they never got a break. How their parents didn’t love them. And their children were ungrateful. They talk about how the government screwed them out of money and they just missed out on a big job. They say the Jews own everything, and the blacks get special treatment and how Mexicans and caravans of other immigrants who are one shade darker than themselves took jobs Uncle Chris wouldn't do in a thousand years. And all the hatred and bitterness drips out of these people and forms a big pool of liquid hate. And the pool of liquid hate begins to spin. Round and round it spins, faster and faster. And the faster it spins, the bigger it gets. Faster and faster. Bigger and bigger. Until the whirling pool of hate is bigger and collapses into a black hole. Just what white bigots feared most. And that's 'kind of' where we are now . :^/

Subject: RE: BS: Climate Catastrophe
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 14 Feb 19 - 07:08 AM

Agriculture in the Alpujarras in southern Spain, largely olives, grapes, almonds, citrus and figs, depends in their extremely hot summers on meltwater from the snows on the Sierra Nevada. There must be many such regions on the planet which would be badly affected by a reduction in snow accumulation in winter.

Subject: RE: BS: Climate Catastrophe
From: Donuel
Date: 14 Feb 19 - 06:03 AM

One must first pretend before reaching a proper end.


Glacial streams are expected to become a trickle in the summer.
The real loss is from forest born springs. These are the streams that support agriculture and potable water.

Subject: RE: BS: Climate Catastrophe
From: Iains
Date: 14 Feb 19 - 03:59 AM

Goodnight! Congratulations. Good to see your usual response when your waffling is countered by reasoned arguments, presented by experts.
Proper scientists can construct links. No point in endless paraphrasing when the original data can be linked to. As has been pointed out many times, a reliance on wikipedia to support a particular stance is to assume wiki is correct. This can be an erroneous assumption. A real scientist would appreciate this point, an ex teacher such as yourself,that pretends to be a scientist, perhaps not.

Subject: RE: BS: Climate Catastrophe
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 13 Feb 19 - 05:42 PM

I don't usually talk to you, Iains, but just for once I'll say this. Unlike you with your tedious links, which you rarely comment on and which generally betray your tendency towards confirmation bias, my copy and paste was accompanied by my personal take on its contents. Respond to this if you wish but you'll get no comeback from me. Goodnight.

Subject: RE: BS: Climate Catastrophe
From: Iains
Date: 13 Feb 19 - 01:45 PM

Yer man who wrote that piece is keen to exonerate mountain dwellers but he explains nothing. Very odd.
http://www.fao.org/forestry/37244/en/
http://www.fao.org/forestry/11720-05034a6ade4bbfbbe488e86a70bc82c6.pdf

http://theconversation.com/devastating-himalayan-floods-are-made-worse-by-an-international-blame-game-83103

https://www.geos.ed.ac.uk/homes/mattal/Wasson2008.pdf

Relying on cut and paste from wiki is hardly a valid scientific argument for such a complex subject. Even the experts do not have a consensus.

Subject: RE: BS: Climate Catastrophe
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 13 Feb 19 - 11:14 AM

A little read from wiki.

"In the 19th century, six major floods were recorded: 1842, 1858, 1871, 1875, 1885 and 1892. Eighteen major floods occurred in the 20th century. Those of 1987, 1988 and 1951 were of catastrophic consequence. More recent floods include 2004 and 2010.

The catastrophic floods of 1987 occurred throughout July and August[4] and affected 57,300 km2 of land, (about 40% of the total area of the country) and was estimated as a once in 30-70 year event. The seriously affected regions were on the western side of the Brahmaputra, the area below the confluence of the Ganges and the Brahmaputra and considerable areas north of Khulna.

The flood of 1988, which was also of catastrophic consequence, occurred throughout August and September. The waters inundated about 82,000 km2 of land, (about 60% of the area) and its return period was estimated at 50–100 years. Rainfall together with synchronisation of very high flows of all the three major rivers of the country in only three days aggravated the flood. Dhaka, the capital of Bangladesh, was severely affected. The flood lasted 15 to 20 days.

In 1998, over 75% of the total area of the country was flooded, including half of Dhaka. It was similar to the catastrophic flood of 1988 in terms of the extent of the flooding. A combination of heavy rainfall within and outside the country and synchronization of peak flows of the major rivers contributed to the river. 30 million people were made homeless and the death toll reached over a thousand.The flooding caused contamination of crops and animals and unclean water resulted in cholera and typhoid outbreaks...

...The 1999 floods, although not as serious as the 1998 floods, were still very dangerous and costly...The 2004 flood was very similar to the 1988 and 1998 floods with two thirds of the country under water.

In early October 2005, dozens of villages were inundated when rain caused the rivers of northwestern Bangladesh to burst their banks.

Floods also occurred in 2015 and 2017."

That little narrative reveals how flooding from rivers in Bangladesh has significantly increased in frequency, and, arguably, in intensity, over a couple of hundred years. I could highlight bits but we can all read. It also reveals the unreliability of "return period" predictions. I suggest that increased river flooding may be caused by heavier rainfall, by silted river beds, by rapid runoff due to deforestation and overgrazing and by rapid melting of glaciers and snowfields, or, very likely I should think, by a combination of factors. Yer man who wrote that piece is keen to exonerate mountain dwellers but he explains nothing. Very odd.

Subject: RE: BS: Climate Catastrophe
From: Iains
Date: 13 Feb 19 - 06:23 AM

What are the impacts of deforestation in the Himalayas on flooding in the lowlands? Rethinking an old paradigm



http://www.fao.org/docrep/ARTICLE/WFC/XII/0982-B2.HTM

Subject: RE: BS: Climate Catastrophe
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 13 Feb 19 - 05:21 AM

Those glacial meltwater-fed rivers flowing south from the Himalayas may well cause massive flooding first, as their beds contain masses of silt arising from erosion due to deforestation. That leaves a lot less room for increased water flow. We do the short-term very well, don't we?

Subject: RE: BS: Climate Catastrophe
From: Iains
Date: 13 Feb 19 - 04:34 AM

I have!

https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1748-9326/7/1/014037/pdf

Subject: RE: BS: Climate Catastrophe
From: Donuel
Date: 12 Feb 19 - 09:07 PM

Apart from global sea rise the one area of the world the next cat-
tastrophe of climate change will be India when the glacier fed rivers
stop flowing and millions die of thirst. Imagine a dry river bed where
the Ganges used to flow.

It sounds like Sci-fi but I bet there has been some research about this. I haven't checked.

Subject: RE: BS: Climate Catastrophe
From: Senoufou
Date: 12 Feb 19 - 01:58 PM

There was an interesting incident yesterday in the Council Chambers of Norfolk County Council.
A group of protesters entered (about ten people), stood in front of the Chair and sang a song over and over for FOUR HOURS!

The song was about the Council's proposal to extend the ever-expanding road system around Norwich by building a capillary road right across the protected Wensum Valley. It had even been suggested that a viaduct be constructed to take this blooming road!

Their objection was against the increasing traffic, emissions, pollution and spoiling the environment.
They sang about global warming and the uncaring attitude of developers.
After four hours, the Council called the Police, who gently persuaded the people to leave. I think about four were arrested.

I was proud of them. The Council had designed four routes from which to choose, and one of them would pass not far from our village!

The Northern Distributor (already completed) has covered this area in concrete, yet every time we pass, there's hardly a single car using it.
Waste of time, money and beautiful unspoilt countryside.

Subject: RE: BS: Climate Catastrophe
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 11 Feb 19 - 07:34 PM

We were told at school that atmospheric carbon dioxide was 0.03%. We now tell the kids that it's at 0.04% and rising still, perhaps with a one-year blip last year, who knows. We know that we have caused that to happen. The rise in the last 150 years is a perfect match for the temperature rises in both hemispheres on land and at the sea surface, measured over tens of thousands of readings. Can't prove the connection, as we don't set out to prove things in that way in science, but the correlation is shudderingly close, and science does test and take note of correlations in an attempt to explain what is causing what. We know that polar ice and mountain glaciers are melting fast. We know that sea levels are rising fast. We understand the greenhouse effect. When it comes to becoming convinced that climate change on the current scale is unlike any previous event and is having deleterious effects on life on the planet, well there will never be a single big event to clinch it. Events such as wildfires in Australia and California, droughts in sub-Saharan Africa, the dire threat to polar bear habitat, more intense and frequent storms and killer heatwaves are all just tiny pieces of a massive jigsaw, the more pieces you find, the more the bigger picture makes sense. Unfortunately, we are unlikely to be around to fit the final few pieces. And of course it was cold at the weekend and we had snow in Cornwall two weeks ago so don't give me all that global warming crap.

Subject: RE: BS: Climate Catastrophe
From: Donuel
Date: 11 Feb 19 - 06:20 PM

Wahoo I was censored for mentioning the importance of cats and climate change.

Maui Hawaii was hit by 119 mph winds and snow on Mt Kilauea.
Its a first.

Subject: RE: BS: Climate Catastrophe
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 11 Feb 19 - 04:27 PM

As the science improves the answers are more accurate. Your "what about old opinions" answer means you're slow to acknowledge the paradigm shift.

Subject: RE: BS: Climate Catastrophe
From: Iains
Date: 11 Feb 19 - 02:31 PM

and he calls himself a scientist!

Subject: RE: BS: Climate Catastrophe
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 11 Feb 19 - 01:06 PM

And we can't pass through the Van Allen belts, LBJ shot JFK and the Earth is pear-shaped.

Subject: RE: BS: Climate Catastrophe
From: Iains
Date: 11 Feb 19 - 11:26 AM

The science is settled.

As it was for global cooling in the 70's!

What paradigm shift comes next?

Below, a discussion for those that have a healthy interest in the scientific method.

https://csegrecorder.com/articles/view/knowledge-true-and-false-scientific-logic-and-climate-change

Subject: RE: BS: Climate Catastrophe
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 11 Feb 19 - 10:30 AM

A major problem with confronting climate change is overcoming the sheer wickedness of deniers with vested interests. Other kinds of deniers are merely buffoons. The science is settled.

Subject: RE: BS: Climate Catastrophe
From: Iains
Date: 11 Feb 19 - 06:57 AM

Climate change denial will soon prove to be the ultimate immorality.

Only a fool would deny it, the fossil record is littered with the evidence.
The problem arises in trying to extract an anthropogenic component from among the interplay of normal cycles. Even the science behind the causes of ice ages is not fully understood.

Subject: RE: BS: Climate Catastrophe
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 10 Feb 19 - 03:51 PM

I read a report on the Guardian website today about the rapid collapse of insect populations the world over. Insects are being hit by the double whammy of climate change and intensive agriculture, specifically in the latter case habitat destruction and the use of neonicotinoid insecticides. You don't necessarily have to accept the more apocalyptic prediction in the article, namely that insects will be wiped out in a hundred years, to understand how serious this is. Insects are at the heart of all terrestrial ecosystems, and the characterisation of what's happening to us already as a mass extinction of life in Earth is not too far-fetched. Climate change denial will soon prove to be the ultimate immorality.

Subject: RE: BS: Climate Catastrophe
From: Jack Campin
Date: 10 Feb 19 - 03:02 PM

Thwaites Glacier (NASA report)

Subject: RE: BS: Climate Catastrophe
From: Donuel
Date: 10 Feb 19 - 09:18 AM

The last 5 years have been the warmest in recorded history.


Nelson NZ evacuated thousands due to fires today/yesterday .

How much fire and ocean disasters are required to use up Oxygen supplies and sufficate mammals with CO2?

I thought global warming would starve us to death first and the few remining will suffocate or drown.

Subject: BS: Climate Catastrophe
From: Jack Campin
Date: 09 Feb 19 - 05:27 AM

We need a new thread to build a global picture. Threads about local disasters aren't enough. This article is about the fires in Tasmania but fits them into a global pattern.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/feb/05/tasmania-is-burning-the-climate-disaster-future-has-arrived-while-those-in-power-laugh-at-us