BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?

Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: bobad
Date: 27 Feb 19 - 04:55 PM

pfr, I knew there was a reason why I like you, and the reason is reason.

Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 27 Feb 19 - 04:55 PM

Trivial triggers? You think that making a nineteen-year-old Muslim girl who's been through hell on Earth a jokey shooting target in front of little kids is trivial? Wow. You're not the man I thought you were, pfr. If this makes me a snowflake well I'll gladly be the start of a massive snowdrift.

Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: Iains
Date: 27 Feb 19 - 02:18 PM

pfr I notice the usual crowd were not batting an eyelid over Kathy Griffin and her severed head of Trump and threats to Barron.

They are Very selective with their outrage/bullshit!

Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 27 Feb 19 - 01:14 PM

No.. I'm amongst the many sick of hyperbolic outrage at trivial triggers...

The right wing media knows how to so easily manipulate over-sensitive elements of the left into rereacting like pavlov's dog...
making us all look like fools not to be taken seriously by the greater mass of public opinion...

Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 27 Feb 19 - 01:04 PM

An amazing defence of the indefensible, pfr. If you can't see the offence and potential threat to Muslim women, well God help us.

Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 27 Feb 19 - 12:59 PM

"The philosophy is the same"

No it's not... but even if it is.. only in the realms of Ivory Tower debating & politicking...

Now back to relity...

If I'm going to get annoyed about anything today,
it's the way Chris Williamson is being shat on by reactionary Labour oportunists...

Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 27 Feb 19 - 12:45 PM

"I think ISIS might have gone a bit further than just shooting illustrated paper targets of their victims..???"
The philosophy is the same and, when accessible by kids that young, ***** deplorable
JIm

Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 27 Feb 19 - 11:03 AM

" I'll remember that next time I hear any suggestion that we're any better than ISIS."

errrmmm.. I think ISIS might have gone a bit further than just shooting illustrated paper targets of their victims..???

..I'd acknowledge this as an example of mundane cruel irreverent humour ordinary folk are at liberty to express in a pluralist democracy..
Like my great grandad wiping his arse with newspaper photos of Hitler and Musssolini...

Us lefty liberals must try to keep things in perspective...
It's too easy for certain elements of the left to make us all look like easily dismissed petty precious snowflakes...

There are greater priorities to get ourselves worked up about...

Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 27 Feb 19 - 09:35 AM

So a shooting range in the Wirral, that can be attended by kids as young as six, has used an image of Shamima Begum for target practice and has defended itself from criticism. I'll remember that next time I hear any suggestion that we're any better than ISIS.

Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 26 Feb 19 - 03:27 PM

You need genetic testing to establish that. Even that would produce ambiguous results. Whereas (for instance) Australian Aboriginal communities are pretty well defined, and very disadvantaged. Far more so than any other community in Australia, or any in the UK or Ireland.

Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: Iains
Date: 25 Feb 19 - 05:33 PM

wot abaht the Romans, Hengist and Horsa, william the Conqueror, to name but a few. Should we repatriate anyone of non celtic origin?
I think they call it ethnic cleansing these days. You are not very PC now are you?

Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 25 Feb 19 - 03:58 PM

Who is this "we". The people that "we" lost the colony to were the brothers, sisters, sons and daughters of the "we" that lost it. We the colonists of UK and other European descent stole the land from the native peoples in all of those countries.

Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: Iains
Date: 25 Feb 19 - 02:53 PM

I suppose you mean native peoples. In the case of America we had already lost the colony when the major land grab occurred,including The Louisiana Purchase, Hawaai, Alaska. Annexation of Texas.
Not forgetting
American Samoa.
Guam.
Northern Mariana Islands.
Puerto Rico.
U.S. Virgin Islands

I do like accuracy when counter points are made.

Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 25 Feb 19 - 02:04 PM

Of course we mistreat Australians, Americans and Canadians. We have stolen their land, and our descendants have imposed an alien culture on them. Whilst appropriating their nationality.

Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: Iains
Date: 25 Feb 19 - 12:26 PM

"Britain always had a nast habit of treating people we owe a debt to as parasites and a threat to our way of life"

Oh Dear who rattled his cage. In what way do we mistreat Americans, Australians, Canadians.............?

I look forward to a detailed response, or retraction.

Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: Mossback
Date: 25 Feb 19 - 10:28 AM

Looks like Roseanne Barr & bobad have a lot in common! See "Bye Bye" thread.

Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 25 Feb 19 - 10:23 AM

"Britain always had a nast habit of treating people we owe a debt to as parasites and a threat to our way of life"

... eg. Polish fighter pilots, as the recent WW2 movie "Huricane"* reminds us...

"Thanks a lot, now bugger off back where you came from..."


[* a shame this movie didn't have sufficient budget to be as good as it should have been...]

Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 25 Feb 19 - 10:14 AM

Most of the refugees and asylum seekers come from ex-colonies that never recovered from the mess of centuries of Imperial rule - Briatain still owes them, especially as they are fleeing from dictators that are still being supported bt the present British establishment and conditions created by the conditions ofr near-slave labour encouraged by our filling our shops with their products
Britain always had a nast habit of treating people we owe a debt to as parasites and a threat to our way of life
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: Mrrzy
Date: 25 Feb 19 - 09:50 AM

Jackboots thud, no?

Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: Iains
Date: 25 Feb 19 - 09:30 AM

Depends upon your point of view dear boy!

Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 25 Feb 19 - 09:04 AM

"Renownèd for their deeds as far from home
For Christian service and true chivalry"

Well thats gone out of the window now, hasn't it.

Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: Senoufou
Date: 25 Feb 19 - 08:50 AM

I think the UK is seen as the Holy Grail. Many W Africans I've spoken to, in francophone countries, nevertheless see UK as the one and only place they'd wish to reach. Inhabitants of ex-French colonies, where one would have thought France would be their destination, imagine that in UK (not France) life is sheer Paradise.

Our neighbour drives a big lorry to Calais and onwards across Europe. On his return, he sees loads of African migrants trying to slink on board lorry trailers and under chassis etc. to get to the UK. They've camped in France near the crossing for months/years, but still they try to come here clandestinely.

He says all the drivers keep an eye out and warn each other if potential 'passengers' are around. A bit scary I should think!

Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 25 Feb 19 - 07:23 AM

Apprently international law states that refugees should settle in the ' first friendly country ' why do so many of them pass through friendly countries to get to the UK ?

Dave H

Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: Iains
Date: 25 Feb 19 - 05:02 AM

Build a wall?   Why?

This fortress built by Nature for her self
Against infection and the hand of war,
This happy breed of men, this little world,
This precious stone set in a silver sea
Which serves it in the office of a wall
Or as a moat defensive to a house,
Against the envy of less happier lands,
This blessed plot, this earth, this realm, this England,
This nurse, this teeming womb of royal kings,
Feared by their breed and famous for their birth,
Renownèd for their deeds as far from home
For Christian service and true chivalry

Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 25 Feb 19 - 03:43 AM

"Dozens of foreign ISIS brides are being sentenced to death in Iraq "
So it's ok for Britain to treat them live vermin then - yeah - that makes sense !!!
'Whataboutism; seems to be an excuse for every crime and atrocity under the sun nowadays- from the Catholic church to Israel
THE GOODIES IN THIS WAR
FURTHER REFUGEE CRISIS IN THE MAKING
THE CRISIS IN FULL

It seems to me this sick, knee-jerk, revenge taking mentality, coupled with Brexit's aim not to admit refugees is about to open the door on a world-wide obscenity of denial, indifference and inhumanity
Maybe Britain should build a wall like Trump's
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 24 Feb 19 - 11:50 PM

The New York Post is yellow journalism. Trash. Never believe what they say, go out and check a reliable source.

Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: bobad
Date: 24 Feb 19 - 09:36 PM

ISIS brides subjected to Iraqi due process, sort of thing:

Dozens of foreign ISIS brides are being sentenced to death in Iraq as the country exacts its revenge after three years of jihadi occupation.

Pleading that they themselves are victims, the women were given 10 minutes to beg for their lives before judges decide their sentence.

Many of them find little sympathy with the Iraqi judiciary and locals and are despised for their support of their militant husbands, who tore the country apart between 2014 and 2017.

https://nypost.com/2018/05/22/dozens-of-foreign-isis-brides-sentenced-to-death-in-iraq/

Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: bobad
Date: 24 Feb 19 - 09:16 PM

As if lol.

Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 24 Feb 19 - 09:05 PM

Couldn't agree more.

Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: bobad
Date: 24 Feb 19 - 08:48 PM

Elite SAS troops found the severed heads of 50 sex slaves murdered by Islamic State fighters as they led the assault on the terror group's last stronghold. Hopefully they'll be subjected to due process, sort of thing.

Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 24 Feb 19 - 08:31 PM

Well yes, provided you're subjected to due process, sort of thing. Lynch mobs are slightly out of fashion this end.

Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: bobad
Date: 24 Feb 19 - 08:00 PM

Aiding and abetting makes you equally criminally responsible for the killing according to the law.

Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: Mrrzy
Date: 24 Feb 19 - 07:31 PM

So, she didn't kill anybody?

Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 24 Feb 19 - 03:41 PM

I would imagine that JC's relationship with ISIS is very much the same as The Beast of Grantham's relationship with the IRA when she was having those secret meetings with them.

Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 24 Feb 19 - 03:36 PM

"But does Jeremy Corbyn consider ISIS his friends?"

Nope.

Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 24 Feb 19 - 03:20 PM

A death is a death no matter what the nationality of the person killed is. So yes, lets talk about civilian deaths, at the hands of the US military and others.

Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: Iains
Date: 24 Feb 19 - 12:19 PM

The US uses extraordinary rendition to take persons suspected of ISIAS links to Guatanomo Bay and waterboards them. Your problem will arise when they regain their freedom and seek revenge instead of Jihad.
According to the Office of the Director of National Intelligence, as of January 2017, 714 detainees have been transferred from Guantanamo Bay. Of these, 16.9% are listed by them as confirmed of returning to terrorist or militant activities, while 12.2% are suspected by them of the same. The Defense Intelligence Agency maintains that slightly more have reengaged. A small percentage are US citizens.

In Afghanistan alone As of July 27, 2018, there have been 2,372 U.S. military deaths in the War. 1,856 of these deaths have been the result of hostile action. 20,320 American service members have also been wounded in action during the war. In addition, there were 1,720 U.S. civilian contractor fatalities.
To this have to be added casualties in Iraq, Syria and sundry other middle eastern countries being subjected to the "War on Terror"

The above reality check in the previous post seems blind to the harsh reality that a death is a death no matter on whose soil it occurs (and we had best not talk about civilian casualties.)


https://www.npr.org/2019/02/21/696769808/what-happens-when-americans-who-joined-isis-want-to-come-home?t=1551028628602

Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: Mossback
Date: 24 Feb 19 - 11:21 AM

Reality Check:

Since Trump took office, more Americans have been killed by white American men with no connection to Islam than by Muslim terrorists or foreigners.
**Jennifer Williams, Vox, 2 Oct 2, 2017

Jihadists are no longer the main terrorist threat facing the country. Since 9/11, no foreign terrorist group has successfully conducted a deadly attack in the United States. The main terrorist problem in the United States today is one of individuals—usually with ready access to guns—radicalized by a diverse array of ideologies absorbed from the Internet.
**Peter Bergen and David Sterman, Foreign Affairs 30 Oct 2018

Out of 65 incidents last year [2017], 37 were tied to racist, anti-Muslim, homophobic, anti-Semitic, fascist, anti-government, or xenophobic motivations. In the same period, seven attacks were linked to Islamic extremists.
**Luiz Romero, Quartz, 24 Oct 2018

“Today, Americans are more likely to be killed by their fellow Americans than jihadists,” former special FBI agent Clint Watts tells me. “
**Jennifer Rubin, Washington Post 1 Nov 2018

Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: bobad
Date: 24 Feb 19 - 09:02 AM

But does Jeremy Corbyn consider ISIS his friends?

Sajid Javid is preparing to ban Hizbollah, the Iran-backed militant group, as soon as this week, The Sunday Telegraph understands.

The Home Secretary is expected to proscribe the entire Shia organisation as a terrorist group, preventing supporters from parading its flag through the streets of Britain.

The move will have to be approved by Parliament, raising the prospect that it could be opposed by Jeremy Corbyn, who once referred to members of the group as "friends".

Edward Malnick, Sunday Political Editor
23 February 2019 • 8:00pm

Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: Iains
Date: 24 Feb 19 - 08:55 AM

These people went out to fight Assad's thugs who were slaughtering people while the West stood by and did SFA
Poor old jim thinks they are they are fighting his enemy therefore they must be his friends. ISIS s a Salafi jihadist militant group and former unrecognised proto-state that follows a fundamentalist, Salafi doctrine of Sunni Islam.
The group has been designated a terrorist organisation by the United Nations and many individual countries. ISIS is widely known for its videos of beheadings and other types of executions of both soldiers and civilians, including journalists and aid workers, and its destruction of cultural heritage sites. The United Nations holds ISIL responsible for human rights abuses and war crimes. ISIS also committed ethnic cleansing on a historic scale in northern Iraq.
According to a report by the magazine Foreign Policy, children as young as six are recruited or kidnapped and sent to military and religious training camps, where they practice beheading with dolls and are indoctrinated with the religious views of ISIS. Children are used as human shields on front lines and to provide blood transfusions for ISIS soldiers.
Sexual violence perpetrated by ISIS includes using rape as a weapon of war instituting forced marriages to its fighters;[ and trading women and girls as sex slaves.

You are letting your anglophobic tendencies run away with your sanity!
. ISIS promotes religious violence, and regards Muslims who do not agree with its interpretations as infidels or apostates. ..

Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 24 Feb 19 - 07:34 AM

"
Wait, whom did the bride kill?"
These people went out to fight Assad's thugs who were slaughtering people while the West stood by and did SFA
It is not who they killed but whether they are likely to kill again
This is one of those excuses to support inhuman acts by the real culprits
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: Mrrzy
Date: 24 Feb 19 - 07:21 AM

Wait, whom did the bride kill?

Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: Iains
Date: 24 Feb 19 - 05:15 AM

That should be recidivism. before thenusual nonsense starts from the usual suspects.

Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: Iains
Date: 24 Feb 19 - 05:14 AM

And can we distinguish between Jihadi brides and Jihadi brideGROOMS?

Why bother? They pose an equal risk until incarcrated and interrogated.
Recidivism rates of up to 25% beg the question as to whether some should ever be released.

https://abcnews.go.com/International/female-isis-brigade-cracks-women-raqqa/story?id=24622389

Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: robomatic
Date: 23 Feb 19 - 10:29 PM

My unofficial conversation with a couple of fellow Alaskans resulted in me being the most sympathetic to the American Jihadi bride. They felt she had no right of return nor citizenship.

She was interviewed and a brief bit shown on last night's (02/22/19) NBC news. She was asked about some of her rather vicious tweets for people to rent vehicles and run down other people, etc. and she answered: "My lawyer told me not to talk about this". So she seemed to be up on her desire to have everything her way and have somebody else foot the bill, which seems to me quite an American attitude.

One other concern that I haven't seen in this thread is that for either UK or US Jihadi bride, how does a decision on these ones impact the many others waiting in the wings? And can we distinguish between Jihadi brides and Jihadi brideGROOMS?

Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: Iains
Date: 23 Feb 19 - 06:55 AM

I am far more concerned about returning Jihadis undermining the security of Britain. So far we have only revoked nationality of 140 of them.

Good to see the usual leftards think a minority is of far more importance than the majority.

Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 23 Feb 19 - 06:31 AM

HE'S NOT PARTICULARLY HAPPY ABOUT BREXIT EITHER
The UNITED Kingdom, my arse
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 23 Feb 19 - 06:27 AM

Mayor of London, Sadiq Khan, has condemned the withdrawal of citizenship of this teenager and her newborn child as undermining the security of Bangladeshis living in Britain
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: Iains
Date: 23 Feb 19 - 04:26 AM

https://ec.europa.eu/home-affairs/sites/homeaffairs/files/ran_br_a4_m10_en.pdf


https://edition.cnn.com/2019/02/20/europe/isis-jihadi-returns-europe-gbr-intl/index.html


https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/4048648/15000-people-sign-petition-to-block-is-convert-and-recruiter-sally-jones-from-returning-to
The family family of Sally, of Chatham, Kent, are convinced she will find a way back.One relative said: "She would find a way. She's very cunning.”

As one commentator said at the time:It's a no brainer.
“Her sweet little life with ISIS has turned sour, she's up for the highest bid and wants to return home on benefits and still hates us.
Subsequently she was reported killed in a drone strike. This is unconfirmed.

More than 550,000 sign petition to BAN all ISIS members from returning to UK.

Houston. We have a problem!

Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 23 Feb 19 - 04:21 AM

Support for Israel is fine, robomatic. I support Israel and utterly condemn people who call for its destruction. What is not fine is support, usually unconditional, for anything the Israeli regime chooses to do. Yes there are many unpleasant factions among Arab and non-Arab Islamic nations in the Middle East and none of them are democracies in any sense we'd recognise. But the conflicts of that region, and their tentacles spreading across the globe, are squarely the upshot of the depredations of Israeli regimes and their ill-treatment of their neighbours, the Palestinians in particular, which the West enhances via their support for Israeli regime outrages and the refusal to engage with the victims of those regimes. The blame for flying planes into buildings falls squarely on the shoulders of the men who fly those planes. But without the propping up of successive Israeli regimes, and given fair treatment of the Palestinians, there would be no Hezbollah, no Hamas, no Al Qaeda, no Isis, no 9-11. Let's be honest.