BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?

Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 16 Feb 19 - 07:58 AM

And by the way, whatever she says to journalists shouldn't have the slightest bearing on how we should view her in terms of how our justice system should treat her. If or when she appears in a court of law, her expressed remorse or lack of it may well be taken into consideration by a judge. I'm fine with that, but I'm not fine with the flagging up of soundbite-sized reported remarks she may be making in a context we know very little about as yet. It's very easy with the help of the tabloids to get sucked into a lynch-mob mentality. So let's not.

Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: Senoufou
Date: 16 Feb 19 - 08:07 AM

Well said Steve. Her remarks have to be viewed in the light of where she is. She's almost ready to give birth, in a 'camp' with possibly IS supporters all round her listening to every word she utters.
It must be frightening.
We shall have to see what transpires regarding her repatriation.
One can only hope it will all be for the best.

Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 16 Feb 19 - 08:37 AM

The middle classes are on a guilt trip because of what the British Empire got up to, and as usual Jim has got chapter
and verse - so we'll have them back, I guess.,

And as she has gallantly redressed the balance, maybe we ought to give her the Queens Award for Terrorism. There seems to be no end of volunteers here to deliver the vote of thanks.

Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 16 Feb 19 - 09:14 AM

Rather amusing to witness a pregnant teenager sending a once mighty nation into a cold sweat - we shall overcome eh!!
Jim

Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: Iains
Date: 16 Feb 19 - 09:27 AM

Rather amusing to witness a pregnant teenager sending a once mighty nation into a cold sweat - we shall overcome eh!!

Oh Dear! The resident anglophobe is off again.

she told me. “And I don’t regret coming here.”
She could have said nothing!

If you can prosecute for libel on the basis of words uttered, then words can also condemn those those that boast of their actions.

Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 16 Feb 19 - 09:27 AM

Utterly unfair, Al. Jim's post referred only to events of the last couple of decades, nothing to do with empire or guilt trips. The focus in this matter should be on how we decide to do what is right, and we should be focusing on that through the lens of our justice system and our claim to be a civilised country.

Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 16 Feb 19 - 09:30 AM

Don't let him goad you, Jim. We're doing so well with him.

Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: Senoufou
Date: 16 Feb 19 - 11:39 AM

I think when one remembers Manchester Arena and all the other atrocities of terrorist bomb attacks, our 'once mighty nation' would be wise to be wary of ex-Isis members. Shamima could have connections who might try to manipulate her, or she might still be in total sympathy with their ethos.

Let's not get all prickly and unpleasant with each other. It's an interesting problem, and being fair, we don't know everything about the case.

I just feel it's very sad that a promising young life has been wrecked, watched her babies die, been separated from her husband, seen appalling sights and although, still very young, is again heavily pregnant and facing giving birth in a dump.
I hope a safe solution will be arrived at.

Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 16 Feb 19 - 12:00 PM

"Let's not get all prickly and unpleasant with each other."

Most of us aren't getting 'all prickly and unpleasant with each other', Sen. Sadly there are those who have no filter and just can't help themselves. Let them kick lumps out of one another without further comment from the grown-ups, while the grown-ups continue with civil discourse.

Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: Iains
Date: 16 Feb 19 - 12:04 PM

"Osborne said that any ISIS member who did return to Britain would have to be "properly investigated" for potential terrorism offences.

"I think it's a bit of justice and actually a bit of compassion. Just making people stateless is not really a solution and it is asking other countries to deal with our problems when they've got their own problems," he added.

A late 2017 report by the Soufan Center put the figure for returned ISIS fighters at 5,600 from 33 different countries. It revealed that on average 20 to 30 percent of those from Europe are already back.

In the U.K., Sweden and Denmark, an estimated 50 percent have already returned.
MI5, the U.K.'s domestic counterintelligence agency, revealed in October of 2017 that it had 20,000 people on its counterterrorism radar.

Until vetted, and sentenced or freed, Shamima Begum is part of the problem and poses a potential risk. It would be stupidity to treat her any other way.

Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 16 Feb 19 - 12:29 PM

She says she wants to return for the benefit of her baby...

a pragmatic compromise...???

Provide medical aid to ensure safe birth of the baby,
then bring it back here to be cared for and raised by it's grandparents...

Investigation and evaluation of the the young mother's fitness to come home to Briish society
can then be dealt with while she is still pending in refuge abroad...


That seems politically neutral enought to me...?????

Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: Iains
Date: 16 Feb 19 - 12:51 PM

Our American cousins are not inclined to be so forgiving. Who is to say what approach is the best?

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1087561/ISIS-news-islamic-state-US-british-isil-fighters-Guantanamo-Bay-Shamima-Begum

Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to K?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 16 Feb 19 - 02:15 PM

Everybody seems to be assuming that she must be guilty of some criminal activity. That seems highly questionable. Even if it is correct that she still holds the most extreme and abhorrent views, that isn't in itself criminal. She didn't fight for Isis, and she has no kind of official status within the caliphate "State".

In fact it is far from clear what her actual attitudes are, even if that was particularly relevant. Being hardened against the sight dead bodies or parts of dead bodies in the street - "not being fazed" - is quite a common reaction in some circumstances. We can't undo our past mistakes. When Edith Piaf sang "non regrette risen" she wasn't saying she was happy about things that had happened and things that she'd done, but that they were a fixed part of her.

This shouldn’t whole affair shouldn’t be treated as a big deal.

Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: Iains
Date: 16 Feb 19 - 02:57 PM

This shouldn’t whole affair shouldn’t be treated as a big deal.
!)https://www.researchgate.net/publication/277204743_Female_Terrorists_in_ISIS_al_Qaeda_and_21rst_Century_Terrorism
2)https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jul/23/number-of-women-and-children-joining-isis-significantly-underestimated
3)https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/jun/04/how-london-teenager-plotted-attacks-with-all-female-terror-cell
4)http://caa.ucpress.edu/content/11/1-2/235
6)and the list goes on.......

Sugar and spice,
And all that's nice;
That's what little girls are made of.
The above nursery rhyme may hold true in "once upon a time land" but some of the young ladies above certainly do not fit that particular category.
Discretion is the better part of valour. Keep them banged up until the risk is assessed.

Things that go bang can make a horrendous mess of the human body.

Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 16 Feb 19 - 03:16 PM

The baby's father is Dutch, she could go to the Netherlands.

Dave H

Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 16 Feb 19 - 03:25 PM

You're a man, pfr, and here you are suggesting the separation before judgement and trial of a mother and her baby. Call me a bloody feminist then, but I simply can't stomach that. Right. If she comes back and is found guilty under our justice system of heinous crimes, fine. Until then, well aren't we all so bloody full of righteous notions? I don't usually swear at the radio, but when I listened to Any Answers this afternoon I had to go outside to get some fresh air. Smug Tory effin' Britain at its finest. It seems to be trying to leak into this thread.

Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 16 Feb 19 - 03:40 PM

Steve - just like I said, a pragmatic compromise to see where any debate takes it...

Especially in the light of total number of infants dieing in holding camps,
and tory indignation, which at worst couldn't give a shit if both mother and baby die in painful childbirth...

btw.. my gender has nothing to do with it...

At least removing the baby from squalid conditions of near certain death,
to the loving care of it's grandparents in Britain,
gives mother and law enforcement breathing space for a few weeks or months...

..and I repeat my gender has F all to do with any of this...

Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: bobad
Date: 16 Feb 19 - 03:50 PM

Everybody seems to be assuming that she must be guilty of some criminal activity.

Don't know what the law says in the UK but she would be guilty of criminal activity in the US.

In American law, providing material support for terrorism is a crime prohibited by the USA PATRIOT Act and codified in title 18 of the United States Code, sections 2339A and 2339B. It applies primarily to groups designated as terrorists by the State Department. The four types of support described are "training," "expert advice or assistance," "service," and "personnel."

Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: Senoufou
Date: 16 Feb 19 - 03:51 PM

If she's allowed to return to UK but is convicted of a crime (and we can't be sure she has actually committed any) and sent to prison, she will be allowed to have her baby with her in one of the mother-and-baby units in UK women's prisons until it is 18 months old.

I don't agree with separating babies from their mothers, unless Social Services find the mother to be 'unfit', or that she is living with a violent/abusive/paedophile etc 'unfit' partner.

I think it would be perfectly possible for her to be monitored by MI6 or something to make sure she wasn't in touch with IS or engaging in any nefarious activities.

Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 16 Feb 19 - 04:07 PM

Well in this country you are guilty when the justice system finds you guilty. Not before. Oddly, I thought it was the same in the US. At least it was after you stopped lynching people.

Yes your gender has everything to do with it when you are a bloke suggesting the separation of a mother from her child. You are in realms that you can't possibly understand. You're an admirable man in every regard but I'm completely at odds with you on this. Happy to leave it at that if you are.

Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: Iains
Date: 16 Feb 19 - 04:23 PM

Well in this country you are guilty when the justice system finds you guilty.
But there is no guarantee that you will get bail, if under suspicion.

Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 16 Feb 19 - 04:27 PM

We don't have the USA Patriot Act in the UK.   There are laws that would criminalise those kinds of activities, though I suspect a bit more carefully drafted.

But I'm not sure how the kind of things Shamina has been involved in would fit into any of those headings. Could just being married to an Isis fighter be counted as "service" or ""providing material support for terrorism"?

The thing is, having nasty beliefs in itself doesn’t count as criminal. There has to be some kind of action involved, outside places like the Isis Caliphate. (Of course a way for a government to crim8nalise beliefs is to require some kind of loyalty oath or its equivalent. But we don't have that for civilians.)

Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 16 Feb 19 - 04:31 PM

Notable that even Ken Clarke said that it shouldn't be beyond the wit of a great nation like ours to contain any "threat" from a nineteen-year-old pregnant girl on her return to the country. The whiff of self-righteous bullshit around this gets stronger by the day. It's disgusting, frankly.

Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 16 Feb 19 - 04:48 PM

As for nasty beliefs, Kevin, well I remember having a few beliefs at nineteen that I've spent the rest of my life extirpating. Being brought up a Catholic in an all-boys grammar school run by blinkered priests in a northern working-class town in the sixties was hardly conducive to the early development of enlightened attitudes. It was The Done Thing to be anti-nigger, anti-Paki, anti-Jew, anti-queer, anti-proddy and anti-equality for women, and no parent, teacher or peer would question you. Basically because they thought the same as you. Things you subsequently have to fight against in your own head all by yourself. Which is why it makes me sick to hear all these sanctimonious bastards condemning a young woman simply for the things she's allegedly said in a stinking refugee camp.

Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 16 Feb 19 - 05:06 PM

Amen Steve, amen.

Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: Iains
Date: 16 Feb 19 - 05:11 PM

Since Dec 2016 Britain has officially carried out thousands of airstrikes against ISIS. Whether with an official UN mandate or not it puts the UK in a state of war against ISIS.
Theresa May’s official spokesperson said: “Any British citizen who does return from taking part in the conflict must be in no doubt they will be questioned, investigated and potentially prosecuted.

“Decisions on how people are dealt with are made on a case-by-case basis to ensure the most appropriate action is taken. Whatever the circumstances of an individual case, we have to, and will, protect the public.”

Security services have a watchlist of known Isis members and aim to intercept any returning via air or sea ports.

It seems the bleeding heart liberals here are happy to put British lives at risk rather than thoroughly investigate anyone with suspected links to a terrorist organisation.(deliberately travelling to the caliphate creates a definite link in my book)

In WW2 under Churchill's regime there was no such squeamishness, or pussyfooting around, both sexes were interned by the thousands.
A jolly sensible idea. First neutralize then sift and winnow.

Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 16 Feb 19 - 05:12 PM

The authorities certainly would have come down hard on anyone expressing those kind of attitudes in my school, Steve. Not that there was anything particularly "enlightened" about the place. Jacob Reese-Mogg would have fitted in well.

But it's true enough that if we all got judged on the kind of opinions we had at 19 (or 15) many of us would be pariahs today.

However the crucial thing here is that in any case thoughts and opinions in themselves don't count as criminal. Margaret Thatcher's father, who she idolised and sought to emulate, had a bust of Adolf Hitler in his study, But I wouldn't have included that in the trial she ought to have had for things she was responsible for in later life.

Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 16 Feb 19 - 05:14 PM

Steve - I offered up an idea for debate - it don't mean I believe in any or all of it..

But for debates sake...

We have high ranking tories proclaiming a stubborn no compromise bullish public stance
that they will do all in their power to prevent this young woman returning...

They are appealing to a mass of supporters who would happily see her executed, or die from neglect...
Or if she insists on remaining alive,
as a consolation prize,
being stripped of British citizenship and excluded forever.
To where, they dont care... as long as it's not here...

Now we must also have to factor in the imminent birth of her baby...

The more sentimental tories may have a soft spot for babies,
and the sanctity of an innocent unborn/newly born [technically British ???]life...

Tricky dilemna.. innit...???

I'd suggest this youg woman who has already suffered loss of 2 infants
might consider the benefit of voluntarily having her newborn temporarily cared for with her family in Britain,
while she is most likely forced to remain in a squalid camp, or inhospitable foreign prison;
while her uncertain return status is at the mercy of hostile politicians, media, and public opinion...???????


Ps.. I like the sound of that "The Admirable punkfolkrocker"...

Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: Iains
Date: 16 Feb 19 - 05:33 PM

Pfr unless she has dual nationality she cannot be stripped of citizenship, and even with second nationality there is no guarantee of success. The very suggestion is nonsense.

Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 16 Feb 19 - 05:33 PM

"It seems the bleeding heart liberals here are happy to put British lives at risk rather than thoroughly investigate anyone with suspected links to a terrorist organisation.(deliberately travelling to the caliphate creates a definite link in my book)"

Not really true though, is it? There are a number of us here whom I'd guess you, in your testosterone-overloaded Right-Wing Extremist world, would describe as 'bleeding heart liberals', who have proposed precisely what you, yourself are proposing - her detention and in-depth investigation/de-briefing/de-radicalisation (if that is possible), followed by legal proceedings should she be deemed to have committed crimes whilst with IS. Where we may differ is in where she should be detained whilst she is 'processed' as described - I'm gathering (and I may be mistaken) that you favour her being held where she is currently, whereas I and others would prefer that she is detained here in the UK where security is probably more sophisticated, and where she may feel easier about speaking freely.

A word of advice - you will get considerably more respect here, and get a far better reception for your arguments, if you dump the broad-brush, and knock off the deliberate insults and provocation.

Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 16 Feb 19 - 05:56 PM

Bwm - an opinion survey amongst us lefty liberals might turn up a positive response
to interning returing IS fighters/supporters...

...and what about volunteers who went off to fight IS....??


It's a matter of practicalities.. how and where...

Prisons are already diabolically unfit for purpose...
Disused army and holiday camps...???

Though, It'd be a lucrative contract for razor wire and CCTV Surveillance suppliers...

Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 16 Feb 19 - 06:01 PM

"Bwm - an opinion survey amongst us lefty liberals might turn up a positive response
to interning returing IS fighters/supporters..."

Yep, that's pretty much what I said....

Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: Iains
Date: 16 Feb 19 - 06:03 PM

If she is near term in her pregnancy flying is not recommended and road travel to Turkey would be hazardous so I suspect she will be stuck where she is. That is not ideal as far as her unborn child is concerned and the resulting publicity concerning the mother will likely travel back to wherever she is being held. That also is not ideal. It is entirely a mess of her own making so I have limited sympathy for her. I am totally against any special effort being made to repatriate her, there are many many other pregnant women in the world far more deserving of help. Undoubtedly in the ideal world her unborn child would be better in the UK but I do not see a realistic way for this to happen without diverting resources better used elsewhere.

Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 16 Feb 19 - 06:36 PM

"It is entirely a mess of her own making"

Christ on a bloody bike. What kind of man are you?

Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 16 Feb 19 - 07:13 PM

I would question whether it's would be right for the view on this issue expressed by Jacob Rees-Mogg on Question Time on 14 Feb to be properly described as being "bleeding heart liberal".

Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 16 Feb 19 - 07:20 PM

Bwm - yep I was agreeing and backing you up...

Iains is an intelligent bloke*,
he ought really understand that we're not always the stereotypical SJW lefties he imagines us to be...

[* unlike a lot of the right wing dimwits on Youtube and other popular mass social media sites...]

There's certainly no need for kneejerk hostile insults..

We're all just ordinary folks who can find common agreement on critical issues of law n order,
irrespective of whether we vote left or right...

Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 16 Feb 19 - 07:29 PM

At this point in this this thread I'm struggling with that.   *angry emoticon*.

Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 16 Feb 19 - 09:23 PM

This actually is an issue in which the dividing line doesn't neatly align with "whether we vote left or right".

Actually, when you actually apply logic in regard to matters of political and social controversy, that's by no means uncommon. Whole ranges of issues get bundled together which have virtually no logical connection, and we behave as if being agreed, or the reverse, on some of them must imply lining up the same way for all or most of the others. And being herd animals we tend to actually behave in that way.

Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 16 Feb 19 - 10:10 PM

Well I agree with that, but this is a bit different. My visceral response to this is as a very imperfect human being to another imperfect human being, and to a nineteen-year-old one at that. I haven't a clue as to why she made that silly decision at fifteen, though I know quite well the area she came from (I lived there myself, in council accommodation, for many years) and can imagine the pulls that she was under. I don't know really. But neither does anyone else in this thread. I'm no herd animal and I'm seeing this in human being terms, or at least I'm trying to. I'm not going to say that she's an individual who needs soft-soaping and I'm not going to say that she should be left off any hook she's on just because she's pregnant. I am going to say that this country claims to be humanitarian and a pillar of justice and fair play. That doesn't mean indulgence at all costs, and it doesn't mean that she shouldn't be tested under stern investigation. But we are not a lynch-mob country and we shouldn't ever let go of those principles that our justice system is founded on. Bottom line, she should come back and face the music. Who could possibly argue with that! But come back she should, if she wants to.

Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 17 Feb 19 - 12:53 AM

Amen again, Steve, amen a thousand times.

And thanks pfr, gotcha.

Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: Mr Red
Date: 17 Feb 19 - 02:57 AM

if a young person goes on holiday to, say Ibiza, and gets drunk and robbed of all his money:

Would we expect the British Consulate to help him (or her) to return?

One rule for all. The costs covered by just a loan.

The same legal system has an opinion on her antics abroad.

The irony is that she has rights under British law, but her baby probably has less.

The only get-out I see is that without a passport it is difficult (not impossible) to prove who she is.

We need to see how her parents pronounce, re the way she was radicalised and by who. They need to be more vocal, and active in ther community. And we need news media that can handle the story accurately. What are the odds on the latter?

Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: Iains
Date: 17 Feb 19 - 03:53 AM

Christ on a bloody bike. What kind of man are you?

Says the one whose party would give the vote to "children" If on the one hand you argue they are adult enough to vote,then the other hand dictates they are adult enough to take responsibility for their actions

I am obviously a realist! I am also very consistent in my views.
What are you?

For the record returning "terrorists" have already had their children taken away from them

From the wail, no less

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6713011/Jihadi-bride-let-Britain-dangerous-daughter-faces-no-terror-chargehttps://mudcat.org/blickifier.cfms.html
to do with Christ on a bike laddie. Are you suggesting she should pedal back to the UK?
nowt

Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: Senoufou
Date: 17 Feb 19 - 03:57 AM

I agree wholeheartedly that this country has humanitarian and measured attitudes, and an impartial justice system which would guarantee a fair investigation and/or trial if necessary for Shamima. We don't flog or stone 'bad women' or implement the death penalty, lynch people or put them in Guantanamo-type 'facilities'.

I think she should be repatriated as soon as possible, but must be prepared to 'face the music'.

When I try to remember what I was like at the age of fifteen, I can't imagine what I'd have got up to if I'd been brought up as she had in the 21st Century, a daughter of immigrant muslim parents in E London. I might well have gone for the 'adventure' of idealistically 'serving my faith' and being the 'wife' of some hopefully attractive and romantic 'warrior'. The three girls probably egged each other on and found the whole thing tremendously exciting and 'worthy'.

The discussion on here has been very interesting and compassionate.
Let's hope it all turns out for the best for the young woman.

Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 17 Feb 19 - 03:59 AM

"Don't let him goad you, Jim. We're doing so well with him."
Beginning to feel like I'm part of an A.A. group
'Course I won't, but thanks for the thought

It's interesting to see how people are skirting around the fact that this young woman was a child when she went and was almost certainly groomed
To compare here to the actions of the Manchester Arena bomber is more than a little inhuman, to my mind
I wonder if these people would be happy if their own children had been sucked to say, a religious sect and hen refused the right to return home because they might infect those she comes into contact with
I see little difference
Terms like 'terrorist' and 'Jihadist' have now become meaningless catchall phrases covering everything from immigration to granting asylum to refugees from war, famine and poverty
The most human statement I have heard so far came from a women from a refugee organisation who suggested that before any decision was taken, the reason why this child became involved should be carefully examined
Makes more sense that the lynch-mob howlings we are getting from elsewhere
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: Iains
Date: 17 Feb 19 - 04:09 AM

Lynch mob howlings????????????????????????????

A sensible conservative viewpoint.

https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/why-risk-our-soldiers-lives-to-save-a-girl-whod-have-been-happy-to-see-their-heads-cut-off/

Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 17 Feb 19 - 04:42 AM

Once again I must correct you - I certainly haven't suggested a 'rescue mission', nor have the majority of the other 'bleeding-heart liberals' (your description, certainly not mine) here.

The general consensus is that she should be allowed to return should she wish, and should she and/or her family have the means to secure it. A very different matter to a 'rescue mission'.

More Right-Wing Tory diversionary tactics methinks. Still, it makes a nice change from "Look over there - Corbyn, Antisemitism, Terrorist's Friend!" and the rest of the usual BS.

Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 17 Feb 19 - 04:54 AM

Steve. BWM. You were doing so well. Then you fell for it again :-( Now, just put it down to a moment of weakness and get back with the programme:-)

Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 17 Feb 19 - 05:04 AM

Every day in every way....
Jim

Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: Iains
Date: 17 Feb 19 - 05:19 AM

Everyday in every way I’m getting better and better.

Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: Senoufou
Date: 17 Feb 19 - 05:36 AM

Ha! Post 100!
I think it has already been decided by the government that it would be wrong to put anyone at risk in such a dangerous place to got and fetch her. She must make her way home as best she can.