BS: Irish V Irish V British & the Famine

Subject: RE: BS: Irish V Irish V British & the Famine
From: Mossback
Date: 24 Mar 19 - 08:47 PM

Why would anyone voluntarily engage with Mudcat's two village idiots, bobod & Iaian?

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Why, indeed? No one moderated this thread and it's off the rails due to the usual suspects and the usual spew of bile. This thread is closed.

Subject: RE: BS: Irish V Irish V British & the Famine
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 24 Mar 19 - 02:16 PM

Bogtrotters and Paddy of any sort is deeplty insulting especially when delivered ny a support of scum like Tommy Robinson
Are you really so stupid as to attempt to deny racism using racist language ?
Is Sunday village idiot's day out where you are ?

Subject: RE: BS: Irish V Irish V British & the Famine
From: Iains
Date: 24 Mar 19 - 01:16 PM

You have now joined your two comrades in arms in attacking the Irish people.

At least Iains and his lady fried have come out in the open over their hatred of the Irish - you refuse to acknowledge your own

Where would that hatred be jackboot jimmie? Lets be having chapter and verse.
The plastic paddy is being deeply insulting so I think we can demand he explains himself. Or is he going to weasel away in the undergrowth as he usually does when challenged. What a thoroughly nasty piece of work he is.

Subject: RE: BS: Irish V Irish V British & the Famine
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 24 Mar 19 - 12:07 PM

Jim's Post was from 2011. The IHRA "definition" (nicked from a defunct and discarded definition from the EUMC in 2005) wasn't adopted until 2016. It may interest you to know that the original EUMC definition was drawn up by a panel consisting almost exclusively of representatives of pro-Israel lobby groups, one of the reasons it was quietly dropped (never adopted, in fact) by the EU as it was politically toxic. Over the years here I've done this to death several times, so if you don't believe me look it up.

Apropos of criticising the behaviour of the Israeli regime, my view is that equating it with that of the Nazis is made without regard for outcome. In other words, don't do it. Repressive regimes will always show attributes similar to what went on in Nazi Germany, but pointing to them in Israel's case isn't constructive however appropriate you think the comparison is. Aspects of the apartheid regimes in South Africa were definitely similar to what the Nazis got up to and aspects of the Israeli regime's behaviour towards Gazans are definitely comparable to apartheid. You don't get a free pass just by calling yourself a Jewish state. And if you're talking just about Israel you're not obliged to mention similar bad behaviour by other countries at the same time. You might have done that last week or be about to do it next week when you're talking about those countries. Maybe we do need a definition. Sorry, but that definition stinks.

Subject: RE: BS: Irish V Irish V British & the Famine
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 24 Mar 19 - 10:17 AM

"I rest my case."
No case - a retreat
The standard defintion of antiisemitism is "hatred ot the Jewish People"
You will never have a "case" until you explain why the Israeli regime is co-operating with the very type of people who sent six million Jews to their deaths in the Nazi Death Camps
You have no interest in the Jewish People, many of whom are as appalled as the rest of us at the damage done to them by an extremely right wing regime claiming to act on their behalf
Your interest is in supporting an exctermist right wing policy - period
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Irish V Irish V British & the Famine
From: bobad
Date: 24 Mar 19 - 09:38 AM

That is a politically manipulated 'definition' that has bneed rawn up to defend Israel

I rest my case.

Subject: RE: BS: Irish V Irish V British & the Famine
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 24 Mar 19 - 09:31 AM

"Drawing comparisons of contemporary Israeli policy to that of the Nazis is anti-Semitic."
That is a politically manipulated 'definition' that has bneed rawn up to defend Israel
The Israelis themselves continue to breach it (as you have by ignoring the last clause whichh clearly states that "It is antisemitic to associate the actions of the Israeli State with The Jewish People as a whole"
Israell and its supporters do this every time they accuse critics of Israeli Policy of antisemitism
They even breach it by accusing Jews of being "self haters" for criticising the policies of the Israeli regime
This deliberate use of the Jewish People as a human shield against International Prosecution is as antisemitic as you can possibly get
One of the greatest crimes against the Jewish People has been to make the charge of "antisemitism" totally meaningless and indistinguishable from real Jew Hating
That is what you and yours are defending
At least Iains and his lady fried have come out in the open over their hatred of the Irish - you refuse to acknowledge your own
Come back when you dind I ahve denigrated the Jewish People
If you made the same offer as I have, The Clare Cancer Society would not know what to do with your "generous donations"

By te way - exactly the same statement you have quoted was made by one of the six ex-heads of the Israeli Security Service, Mossad buring the making of the documentary 'The Gatekeepers"
Maybe the Israeli Regime is nor employing antisemites to defend Israel
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Irish V Irish V British & the Famine
From: bobad
Date: 24 Mar 19 - 08:45 AM

Despite your accusing every critic of Israeli policies as a "Jew hater"


User Name         Thread Name         Subject         Posted
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I have claimed that there are comparisons ("echoes" is the word I used) to be drawn between the behaviour of the Nazis towards the Jews, and that of the Israelis towards the Palestinians

Drawing comparisons of contemporary Israeli policy to that of the Nazis is anti-Semitic.

The International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance definition of anti-Semitism.

Subject: RE: BS: Irish V Irish V British & the Famine
From: Iains
Date: 24 Mar 19 - 08:25 AM

He has outed himself as a supporter of jackboots. Nothing he says now would surprise me. Do you think he has a uniform as well?
        Jim Carroll - PM
Date: 23 Mar 19 - 12:28 PM

Subject: RE: BS: Irish V Irish V British & the Famine
From: bobad
Date: 24 Mar 19 - 08:18 AM

I support the Jewish peoples' right to a state in their ancestral homeland and I support their right to defend themselves against those sworn to their annihilation. Pity you don't.

Subject: RE: BS: Irish V Irish V British & the Famine
From: bobad
Date: 24 Mar 19 - 08:12 AM

Like I said, all you think you know is simply you projecting through your racist lens as you have amply demonstrated. Give your obsession a rest, you give yourself away.

Subject: RE: BS: Irish V Irish V British & the Famine
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 24 Mar 19 - 08:03 AM

"You know nothing about my "politics""
You are a supporter of an extrmist right wing Israeli regime that is in the process of ethnically cleannsing its country of Muslims - that tells me everything I need to know about your politics
Despite your accusing every critic of Israeli policies as a "Jew hater", you refuse to comment on the collusion between that regime and extremist right wing antisemitic organisations such as that of Orban
You stayed silent when that regime proclaimed that that regime decided to name its new railway station after Trump - an arch misogynist and racist who is drawing support from Americas Antisemires such as the Klan
You personally have put up the largest posing in this forum's history which was nothing more an Arab-hating diatribe
You have now joined your two comrades in arms in attacking the Irish people
Is there anything more I nee to know
You can place your accusations of "racism" alongside those of "antisemitism" - if you can produce one single scrap of proof of either, I will make a generous donation to any charity you care to name
I've waited several years for claims - I really am in no hurry

Karen
There are Antisemites everywhere - the British establishment has always been riddled with them
They are on the increase, thanks to the Israeli policy of hiding behind the Jewish people to escape the consequences of its crimes against humanity
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Irish V Irish V British & the Famine
From: bobad
Date: 24 Mar 19 - 07:38 AM

I was alive when jackboot politics such as yours.....

You know nothing about my "politics". What you think you know is nothing but you projecting through your distorted and racist lens. Give your obsession a rest.

Subject: RE: BS: Irish V Irish V British & the Famine
From: Iains
Date: 24 Mar 19 - 07:25 AM

He will have to be known henceforward as jack boot jimmie from liverpool.

Subject: RE: BS: Irish V Irish V British & the Famine
From: KarenH
Date: 24 Mar 19 - 07:17 AM

Of course, had there been anti-Semitism in Dublin it would of course have been mentioned in the works of James Joyce.

Get your filthy eyes of my underwear, perv.

Subject: RE: BS: Irish V Irish V British & the Famine
From: Iains
Date: 24 Mar 19 - 07:08 AM

As with everybody else Iains, I have no intention of answering anything you ask

So you only infest mudcat to rant rave and insult all who disagree with you. What a sad old man!

Subject: RE: BS: Irish V Irish V British & the Famine
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 24 Mar 19 - 07:05 AM

"He certainly has a jackboot fetish. "
Not a fetish Boba, a fear
I was alive when jackboot politics such as yours and the regime's you support sent six million human beings to their deaths
As a Holocaust survivor onec otl nme - never again, not to anybody (not even the Irish!!)

Subject: RE: BS: Irish V Irish V British & the Famine
From: bobad
Date: 24 Mar 19 - 06:53 AM

He certainly has a jackboot fetish.

Your link explains a lot Karen.

Subject: RE: BS: Irish V Irish V British & the Famine
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 24 Mar 19 - 06:51 AM

As with everybody else Iains, I have no intention of answering anything you ask - you're obviously not bright enough to have noticed
As far as 'Deutschland' is s concerned, was a comment on your own political stance - fascinating that you should have such knowledge of its history though - must come with the members manual
Jim

Subject: RE: BS: Irish V Irish V British & the Famine
From: Iains
Date: 24 Mar 19 - 06:47 AM

The only one boasting about jackboots as his signature toon is little jimmie!

TO associate me with jackboots is simply you being your usual insulting self. Is there any thread you do not infect? I will ask again: Why do you link yourself to a banned verse of the German National Anthem?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1232190/Pete-Doherty-faces-prosecution-singing-banned-Nazi-verse-German-national-a

Are you going to give a sensible answer or just ignore it and go off on another unfocused rant.

Subject: RE: BS: Irish V Irish V British & the Famine
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 24 Mar 19 - 06:20 AM

"More offensive remarks from Jim. Yawn."
More anti-Irish racism from Karen - shame

"We await an explanation!"
Who's we ?
You and Karen are on your own
The mods have decided to tolerate your contant racist abuse so all we can do is continually point out how eveil people who behave as you do really are - not that it needs pomnting out
Until the jackboots come crashing through our doors you will remain the minority you should be
Hopefully history has ascertained that that will never happen
Jim

Subject: RE: BS: Irish V Irish V British & the Famine
From: KarenH
Date: 24 Mar 19 - 06:14 AM

https://www.irishtimes.com/culture/books/ireland-and-the-nazis-a-troubled-history-1.3076579

Subject: RE: BS: Irish V Irish V British & the Famine
From: KarenH
Date: 24 Mar 19 - 06:10 AM

More offensive remarks from Jim. Yawn.

Subject: RE: BS: Irish V Irish V British & the Famine
From: Iains
Date: 24 Mar 19 - 06:04 AM

None of which explains why you linked yourself to a banned version of the German National Anthem. We await an explanation!

Subject: RE: BS: Irish V Irish V British & the Famine
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 24 Mar 19 - 05:59 AM

By the way; when news of the Holocaust filteresd though to Britain, a group of British Tory M.P.s were overheard passing it off as "The lies of whingeing Yids"
Jim

Subject: RE: BS: Irish V Irish V British & the Famine
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 24 Mar 19 - 05:56 AM

"Is this link to the German anthem a reference to IRA/Irish collaboration with the Nazis during W W II?"
Wheer thy decided "my enemies enemies are my friends, do you mean ?
Ireland used Germany in both wars to gain freedom from Britain - I see nothing wrong with that as long as they did not co-operate with what Germany was doing - which they most decidedly tdid not
Despite Ieland's neutrality, they conitinued to assist British pilots and british fighter planes infringed in Irish air space without hindrance
As far as the progressive Irish were concerned, there was little to choose between Nazi right wing philosophy and that of the British which had oppressed Ireland for eight centuries.
This was borne out by the fact that the British establishment was wquite happy to turn its back on the Nazis - to quote "New Germany will act as a bulwark against the threat of Bolshevism"
Ireland drew support from Germany while the short time KIng of England wast teaching his nephews and neices to give the Nazi Salute, The English Daily Mail was promoting Moseley;s Blackshirts as Britain's hope for the future and the Cabinet were licking "Herr Hitler's" arse
My old man went off to fight fascim in Spain - when he returned, he was given an MI5 record as a 'premature anti fascist' and was blacklisted from getting a job in his home town

Your anti-Irish slip is showing again Karen
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Irish V Irish V British & the Famine
From: KarenH
Date: 24 Mar 19 - 03:35 AM

Is this link to the German anthem a reference to IRA/Irish collaboration with the Nazis during W W II?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_Republican_Army_–_Abwehr_collaboration_in_World_War_II

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-coventry-warwickshire-28191501

Subject: RE: BS: Irish V Irish V British & the Famine
From: Iains
Date: 23 Mar 19 - 01:01 PM

The particular version linked to above is the one banned when the allies defeated Nazi Germany. Is little jimmie claiming to be a Nazi?

Subject: RE: BS: Irish V Irish V British & the Famine
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 23 Mar 19 - 12:28 PM

PLASTIC PADDY
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Irish V Irish V British & the Famine
From: Iains
Date: 23 Mar 19 - 05:40 AM

It is only the scouser plastic paddy seems to revel in a return to violence.
Rational people regard terrorism with abhorrence.

Subject: RE: BS: Irish V Irish V British & the Famine
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 23 Mar 19 - 05:35 AM

Trying to whip together a lynch mob Karen ?
Good luck with that one
You'll have to pull the rope while Iains holds the feet
Jim

Subject: RE: BS: Irish V Irish V British & the Famine
From: KarenH
Date: 23 Mar 19 - 05:09 AM

Better titles for Jim's autobiography anybody?

Subject: RE: BS: Irish V Irish V British & the Famine
From: KarenH
Date: 23 Mar 19 - 05:05 AM

Just for information, as well as the recnt IRA parcel bombs, (they think they have found the last one now) 7 members of the UVF were arrested in Northern Ireland early on Friday morning.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/mar/22/arrested-belfast-inquiry-uvf-east-belfast-ulster-volunteer-force

I forgot to list drug running alongside the knee-capping, tarring and feathering .......

The time for Jim to talk of a 'return' to violence on the island of Ireland would come if and when the violence had stopped.

Subject: RE: BS: Irish V Irish V British & the Famine
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 22 Mar 19 - 06:41 PM

Heheh. Trouble is, Jim, I had me ninety-year-old mum on board (she loved every bloody minute of the mini-drama) and despite the breakdown (dead alternator fer chrissake), I had to get her back to the care home somehow. However, I did have six bottles of the £4.99 Spanish Mellow and Fruity on board, and I can assure you that I attacked them with aplomb once home....

Subject: RE: BS: Irish V Irish V British & the Famine
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 22 Mar 19 - 02:50 PM

Waitrose stopped selling booze then ?
Their car park was always good place to get jarred before the pubs opened
You need to read my autobiography - Memoirs of a Reformed Shopaholic
Jim

Subject: RE: BS: Irish V Irish V British & the Famine
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 22 Mar 19 - 01:55 PM

Nah. I was in Holsworthy Waitrose car park and the sun was well above the yardarm.

Subject: RE: BS: Irish V Irish V British & the Famine
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 22 Mar 19 - 01:39 PM

Were you breathalyzed ?
Jim

Subject: RE: BS: Irish V Irish V British & the Famine
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 22 Mar 19 - 12:21 PM

I know, Jim, but last time I called them out my car was fixed within the hour. I felt very serene.

Subject: RE: BS: Irish V Irish V British & the Famine
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 22 Mar 19 - 12:18 PM

"Sorry, Jim, but there are times...   :-) :-) :-)"
I know Steve - I know
Just keep repeating

The AA serenity prayer:
"God, give us grace to accept with serenity the things that cannot be changed,... ...courage to change the things which should be changed,... ...and the wisdom to distinguish the one from the other."
Jim

Subject: RE: BS: Irish V Irish V British & the Famine
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 22 Mar 19 - 11:45 AM

"I suggest you...proofread before you post..."

Then:

"Is the ex teacher get bored...?"

Sorry, Jim, but there are times...   :-) :-) :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Irish V Irish V British & the Famine
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 22 Mar 19 - 11:02 AM

Steve
I read Baccy's brilliant analysis of people like this guy - I suggest you do if you want to keep these threads alive
It makes sense
Jim

Subject: RE: BS: Irish V Irish V British & the Famine
From: Iains
Date: 22 Mar 19 - 10:29 AM

Is the ex teacher get bored or merely boring?

Subject: RE: BS: Irish V Irish V British & the Famine
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 22 Mar 19 - 10:15 AM

Oops! That should have been "Linekar" without the rogue space...

Subject: RE: BS: Irish V Irish V British & the Famine
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 22 Mar 19 - 10:13 AM

"I suggest you...proofread before you post..."

But previously:

"Linekar "

"jestor"

???????????

Subject: RE: BS: Irish V Irish V British & the Famine
From: Iains
Date: 22 Mar 19 - 03:10 AM

If you can only dismiss articles without argument and mindlessly rely on a right wing maksded blogger you need toi sort yourself out in a hurry
People who regard insulting the establishment as insulting a nation . then describe the Prime Minister as a traitor are schizophrenics

Has anyone else managed to penetrate the above cranium. I think it must be made of neutronium! The same behaviour is exhibited on thread after thread.

I suggest you calm down and proofread before you post, otherwise you portray yourself as both illiterate and stupid.

Subject: RE: BS: Irish V Irish V British & the Famine
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 21 Mar 19 - 12:17 PM

If you can only dismiss articles without argument and mindlessly rely on a right wing maksded blogger you need toi sort yourself out in a hurry
People who regard insulting the establishment as insulting a nation . then describe the Prime Minister as a traitor are schizophrenics
Likewise, people who constantly points to a 4% majority as definitive and a 5 plus one as "only a small majority" need to do something about their understanding of mathematics
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Irish V Irish V British & the Famine
From: Iains
Date: 21 Mar 19 - 11:55 AM

This particular one is to stupid to be able to recognise his own reflection - for instance - "Stupid, stupid, stupid English."
He's started abusing the newspapers now - that's how the article ends

If you post a link it is assumed you are aware of, and take responsibility, for the content.

You have deeply insulted an entire country and are trying to weasel out of it by claiming it was a newspaper.

You are the one repeatedly claiming to insult no one.

'Pon my soul, you are quite the little jestor?!

Subject: RE: BS: Irish V Irish V British & the Famine
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 21 Mar 19 - 09:21 AM

"At least he uses the word 'protestant' rather than 'prod', like Jim. "
Prod is how they have always described themselves in my being in their company for most of my youth - an abbreviation far superiour to Taiges or Papists

"Yawn. Takes one to know one Jim."
This particular one is to stupid to be able to recognise his own reflection - for instance - "Stupid, stupid, stupid English."
He's started abusing the newspapers now - that's how the article ends
Insecurity rules OK
Jim

Subject: RE: BS: Irish V Irish V British & the Famine
From: KarenH
Date: 21 Mar 19 - 08:56 AM

I read Cockburn's article some time ago.

At least he uses the word 'protestant' rather than 'prod', like Jim.

His comment that "the Protestants are a community on the retreat" made me post here that it looked as if we could expect an influx of immigration from Ireland, but that was greeted with the usual barrage of insult and invective from our resident nationalist. Because where else are they going to retreat to?

Subject: RE: BS: Irish V Irish V British & the Famine
From: KarenH
Date: 21 Mar 19 - 08:34 AM

Yawn. Takes one to know one Jim.