Folk expert

Subject: RE: Folk expert
From: Mr Red
Date: 10 Mar 19 - 05:02 AM

the missing verse? Was that a verse shun?




I'll get my fleece jacket..............

Subject: RE: Folk expert
From: Mr Red
Date: 10 Mar 19 - 05:01 AM

how we should sing a song that doesn't even exist...!!!

silently?

And that's the bottom line. Dag nammit!

Subject: RE: Folk expert
From: Bonnie Shaljean
Date: 10 Mar 19 - 04:29 AM

You could always set it in Ramsbottom...

Subject: RE: Folk expert
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 09 Mar 19 - 07:59 PM

I shouldn't entertain any hopes in that direction, Dave.

Subject: RE: Folk expert
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 09 Mar 19 - 05:47 PM

I would!

Subject: RE: Folk expert
From: Andy7
Date: 09 Mar 19 - 05:39 PM

The sheep might not appreciate having songs written about their bottoms.

I know I wouldn't.

Subject: RE: Folk expert
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 09 Mar 19 - 12:39 PM

btw.. the genuine folk experts were the anonymous ordinary men & women who concocted the bloody songs in the first place...

not the self important smug tossers who read about them centuries later in books
written by collectors and academics with more of a real right to be considered authorities on the subject...

Subject: RE: Folk expert
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 09 Mar 19 - 12:31 PM

Al proves himself yet again - taking up an idle daft idea and magically turning it into comedy gold reality...

Subject: RE: Folk expert
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 09 Mar 19 - 07:25 AM

Al :-D Big grin.

Subject: RE: Folk expert
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 09 Mar 19 - 06:59 AM

@On your next album, Al? '

as if I would stoop to using crude racial stereotypes....

Subject: RE: Folk expert
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 09 Mar 19 - 06:45 AM

"Wool you guyz give us a break?!"
For one fleecing moment I thought we had a conversation going
Jim

Subject: RE: Folk expert
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 09 Mar 19 - 06:35 AM

No need to ram it home.

Subject: RE: Folk expert
From: Bonnie Shaljean
Date: 09 Mar 19 - 06:34 AM

Wool you guyz give us a break?!

Subject: RE: Folk expert
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 09 Mar 19 - 06:25 AM

Baaaaa humbug, shear nonsense
Jim

Subject: RE: Folk expert
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 09 Mar 19 - 06:22 AM

You could get lock tup for jokes like that.

Subject: RE: Folk expert
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 09 Mar 19 - 05:14 AM

Ewe should know
Jim

Subject: RE: Folk expert
From: GUEST,Modette
Date: 09 Mar 19 - 05:10 AM

Shouldn't it be called 'The Baa of the County Down'?

Subject: RE: Folk expert
From: GUEST,Geordie boy
Date: 09 Mar 19 - 04:49 AM

Excellent, Big Al! Now there's one verse I WOULD sing!

Subject: RE: Folk expert
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 09 Mar 19 - 03:58 AM

On your next album, Al? :-)

Subject: RE: Folk expert
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 08 Mar 19 - 09:41 PM

I'd go for Star of the County Down..

By a mountain steep
Some Welsh Mountain Sheep
Were farmed by a local villain
Who did bestial deeds
With the best of breeds
Whom he's given a trim Brazilian.

Subject: RE: Folk expert
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 08 Mar 19 - 06:27 PM

I was mentioned this to my mrs who's a valley/hillside girl from South Wales...
She can't speak Welsh, so got frustrated that she doesn't know her people's word for winnets..

Anyway, we discussed the gist of a Welsh language folk song concerning a remote neglected field of sheep
where, as you'd expect, they have the dirtiest of arses.
All but one, the prettiest, who's rear end is immaculate.
Clean shaven where it matters, neatly trimmed in the surrounding area,
and immmaculately spotlessly clean..
The Welsh title translates as "The Farmer's Favourite"...

So now all she's got to do is persuade her Eisteddfod prize winning niece to write it...
They're having lunch in Cardiff tomorrow...

Right then self appointed folk experts,
do your best to dictate how we should sing a song that doesn't even exist...!!!

Subject: RE: Folk expert
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 08 Mar 19 - 05:15 PM

Searching for lambs to clean their bum
Passes the time, and its harmless fun

Subject: RE: Folk expert
From: Bonnie Shaljean
Date: 08 Mar 19 - 02:53 PM

Hmmm, think wot you could do with Searching For Lambs.

Subject: RE: Folk expert
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 08 Mar 19 - 02:47 PM

'Yeah, we’re gonna get kicked downstairs into the BS (or BW, as it should be re-named) section if we don’t get an actual bit of music into this thread pretty soon!'

I could write a song called Trimming Dirty Sheeps Arses, if that would help....

Subject: RE: Folk expert
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 08 Mar 19 - 02:04 PM

"Well said sir."
Amen to that
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: Folk expert
From: GUEST,Hootenanny
Date: 08 Mar 19 - 02:03 PM

Re the above words of wisdom from Stringsinger:

"As for one-upmanship about folk knowledge, it's a ridiculous pastime. There is nothing that is scientifically useful about folk music knowledge and that it doesn't always enhance the enjoyment of a good song."

Certainly one of the most succinct postings to appear on Mudcat regarding self acclaimed experts.

And from someone who does know.

Well said sir.

Subject: RE: Folk expert
From: Bonnie Shaljean
Date: 08 Mar 19 - 01:46 PM

Yeah, we’re gonna get kicked downstairs into the BS (or BW, as it should be re-named) section if we don’t get an actual bit of music into this thread pretty soon!

Subject: RE: Folk expert
From: Stringsinger
Date: 08 Mar 19 - 01:39 PM

Just because it's folk doesn't mean that it's well written or particularly interesting.
Sometimes long winded trad ballads become redundant. A little editing doesn't hurt anything and may bring the true meaning of the song more into focus.

As for one-upmanship about folk knowledge, it's a ridiculous pastime. There is nothing that is scientifically useful about folk music knowledge and that it doesn't always enhance the enjoyment of a good song.

Still, I agree that commentary that is ostensibly critical can be very useful.

I would like to join the chorus of those who want to hear the damned offensive verse.
I, among others, would like to judge its merits myself.

Subject: RE: Folk expert
From: GUEST
Date: 08 Mar 19 - 12:51 PM

you need a set of daggers to sort the winnets but don't carry them in Tottenham

Subject: RE: Folk expert
From: Jos
Date: 08 Mar 19 - 12:04 PM

I think when they did it on "The Archers" it was called dagging and it happened before the sheep were sheared. (They didn't do it on ice, though.)

Subject: RE: Folk expert
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 08 Mar 19 - 11:55 AM

Trimming dirty sheep arses sounds like the kind of rural culture tradition
that could become a popular workshop activity at urban folk clubs...???

.. and there's plenty of scope for know-all experts to who've read all the right books on the history of arse trimming
to helpfully enlighten anyone who needs to be educated...

Subject: RE: Folk expert
From: GUEST,matt milton
Date: 08 Mar 19 - 11:27 AM

I've encountered that person and his clones many times. Always a him, never yet a her. They very much were not just trying to be helpful.

Subject: RE: Folk expert
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 08 Mar 19 - 10:49 AM

Gives me an idea for a TV Show

Pro Celebrity Snipping Round a Sheep's Arse On Ice!

sounds like winner to me...

Subject: RE: Folk expert
From: John P
Date: 08 Mar 19 - 10:46 AM

Possibly the person, instead of saying "You missed a verse" should have said "I know another verse for that".

Yes, exactly. Start a conversation about a subject of mutual interest. Don't assume the person you're talking to is ignorant.

Subject: RE: Folk expert
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 08 Mar 19 - 09:26 AM

ya gotta be innit to winnet...


There was a recent mildly amusing minor celebrities go farming reality TV contest...

One challenge was clipping round a sheeps arse...

Something I'd never do.. but then, I don't need to desperately revive a failing show biz career...

Subject: RE: Folk expert
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 08 Mar 19 - 08:50 AM

I wonder if theres ever been a band called The Klubbeens....or the Winnets.

The Klubbeen Family of Connemara, the Winnets of the Western Isles...

Subject: RE: Folk expert
From: Hrothgar
Date: 08 Mar 19 - 08:39 AM

Possibly the person, instead of saying "You missed a verse" should have said "I know another verse for that".

Subject: RE: Folk expert
From: GUEST,Sol
Date: 08 Mar 19 - 08:04 AM

I recall one folk group announcing that they were going to sing an Irish song called "Dirty Old Town". After their spot I said to one of the group that the song was about Salford and who the composer was. I wasn't trying to be a smart ass, just being helpful. I can't recall if he was grateful for the info or not.

Subject: RE: Folk expert
From: Bonnie Shaljean
Date: 08 Mar 19 - 06:44 AM

In Donegal it is (or was in Packie's day, 1920s-30s... and don't ask me how you spell it) a klubbeen. Hey, maybe all the patronising blowhards should start their own folk klubbeen.

Subject: RE: Folk expert
From: GUEST,Geordie boy
Date: 08 Mar 19 - 06:34 AM

A winnet in Northumberland is one of the sheep droppings that cling to the fleece around the orifice. Basically, a turd!

Subject: RE: Folk expert
From: Bonnie Shaljean
Date: 08 Mar 19 - 06:21 AM

Damn, it's got sensible again. And there was me just about to treat you all to what in Donegal (according to Packie anyway) they used to call the sheep version of a winnet. (See what happens when ya leave us to ourselves?)

Since I'm here: What was the song and its offending verse?

Subject: RE: Folk expert
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 08 Mar 19 - 05:35 AM

'We used top have a saying in Liverpool, "Don't stick your bum out of the window if you don't want people to throw stones at it"
The same can be applied to singing in public, If you don't want other people's opinions and ideas, stay at home and sing to your rubber duck in the bath.
Jim Carroll'

Brilliant! - as long as this man comes up with gems like this . keep the thread open!

Subject: RE: Folk expert
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 08 Mar 19 - 03:31 AM

I think it raises an interesting point
My experience of the folk scene was one of people saying what they thought about your songs and singing and being able to reciprocate
Nowadays terms like 'folk police' and 'purist' seems to have done away with all that nonsense
We used top have a saying in Liverpool, "Don't stick your bum out of the window if you don't want people to throw stones at it"
The same can be applied to singing in public, If you don't want other people's opinions and ideas, stay at home and sing to your rubber duck in the bath.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: Folk expert
From: meself
Date: 07 Mar 19 - 10:44 PM

... um ... anyone else have the feeling this thread has run its course?

Subject: RE: Folk expert
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 07 Mar 19 - 08:52 PM

a universal word throughout the cosmos... Klingons...

Subject: RE: Folk expert
From: meself
Date: 07 Mar 19 - 05:54 PM

It's hard to believe that in some places they don't even HAVE a word for that ... !

Subject: RE: Folk expert
From: Dave Sutherland
Date: 07 Mar 19 - 05:46 PM

As I knew it from my North East days a winnet was the remains of a bowel movement which had attached itself to the anal hairs (winnet come off) - sometimes referred to as clag nuts in the same vicinity.

Subject: RE: Folk expert
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 07 Mar 19 - 11:37 AM

It would be helpful if people stopped using the word "folk" as a term of abuse
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: Folk expert
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 07 Mar 19 - 11:24 AM

point of interest Geordie boy - thread drift. I used to work with this Geordie who called everyone a winnet. You're a daft winnet, he would say.
He would never tell anyone what a winnet was, but one night he got pissed and explained to me that a winnet was a turd, stuck up your bum. And winnet come out.

Is this a well known Geordie word?

Subject: RE: Folk expert
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 07 Mar 19 - 10:47 AM

"A bloke came up to me and wanted to show off and put me down.
I showed off and put HIM down.
I won."

So fair do's, Geordie Boy got his self-defense in first...

.. at least it wasn't a headbutt.....