Songs of bad taste

Subject: RE: Songs of bad taste
From: Tattie Bogle
Date: 11 Apr 19 - 08:50 PM

And I thought the Boat Race thread was bad.............?? I'm outa this one too!

Subject: RE: Songs of bad taste
From: GUEST,Phil d'Conch
Date: 12 Apr 19 - 01:51 AM

That window peeping; heavy breathing over your shoulder; Elusive Butterfly chasing Val Doonican fellah was always a bit icky.

Subject: RE: Songs of bad taste
From: Mr Red
Date: 12 Apr 19 - 03:07 AM

am most offended by, your comment. Marmite actually tastes delicious, and it's ridiculous to say otherwise


Hmmmmmmm. Call me ridiculous and don't even get me started on garlic......

Or chilli

Or..................... Boat Races

Subject: RE: Songs of bad taste
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 12 Apr 19 - 03:07 AM

Actually Val was after the butterfly with nets of wonder. Don't be concerned - it will not harm you....

Subject: RE: Songs of bad taste
From: GUEST
Date: 12 Apr 19 - 04:04 AM

Oh! NETS of wonder! I always heard that as mitts of wonder.

Subject: RE: Songs of bad taste
From: Acorn4
Date: 12 Apr 19 - 04:12 AM

Elusive Butterfly was Bob Lind originally - Val was only the messenger.

Subject: RE: Songs of bad taste
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 12 Apr 19 - 05:05 AM

Yes ever since he added the 'T' and went into chocolate rabbits, people have liked him a lot more.

Subject: RE: Songs of bad taste
From: topical tom
Date: 12 Apr 19 - 01:43 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EtSmAzklho

Subject: RE: Songs of bad taste
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 12 Apr 19 - 01:55 PM

Tom - "Video unavailable".. no reason given...

Subject: RE: Songs of bad taste
From: GUEST,Phil d'Conch
Date: 12 Apr 19 - 02:50 PM

My kid sister could take Lind.

“...Val was only the messenger.”
and Hannibal Lecter was only the lepidopterist.

You can always tell by the eyes.

Subject: RE: Songs of bad taste
From: Acorn4
Date: 12 Apr 19 - 05:05 PM

"Allo Allo" was a comedy show set in the Nazi occupation of France.

To have extended it to a sitcom about a concentration camp would have been beyond the pale.

There is a spectrum of good/bad taste in song I suppose but quite where you enter the red is a bit hard to judge sometimes.

Subject: RE: Songs of bad taste
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 12 Apr 19 - 05:32 PM

Jerry Lewis made most of a film about a clown in a concentration camp,
but chickened out and never finished it...

Subject: RE: Songs of bad taste
From: GUEST,.gargoyle
Date: 12 Apr 19 - 07:04 PM

Punkfolkrocker -

This is a nice article about Jerry Lewis and the cc clown.

https://nypost.com/2015/08/10/youll-finally-be-able-to-see-jerry-lewis-holocaust-film-in-2024/

Sincerely,
Gargoyle



“I've had great success being a total idiot.”
-- Jerry Lewis

Subject: RE: Songs of bad taste
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 13 Apr 19 - 10:44 PM

Sandman has sent me an insulting PM regarding this thread..
Is he seriously losing the plot...!!!???

Let's hope he is ok...

I'd like to pass it off as his odd bad taste sense of humour...???
.. and it was sometime later on a Saturday night..


..some of the strangest folks I've ever encountered are cat lovers...

Subject: RE: Songs of bad taste
From: Little Hawk
Date: 14 Apr 19 - 04:01 PM

I like cats because they absolutely don't give a tinker's DAMN if you disagree with them about whether or not something they did is in "bad taste". They are not open to emotional blackmail by anyone. If a cat recorded a song that offended some people, it would be sardonically amused by their negative reaction, and would probably perform the song even more frequently just to annoy them further.

Subject: RE: Songs of bad taste
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 14 Apr 19 - 04:33 PM

Little Hawk - you just basically described me..

oh f@ck.. does that mean I was a cat in a previous life..

and here's me a keen dog lover... this is an existential crisis...!!!

Subject: RE: Songs of bad taste
From: The Sandman
Date: 14 Apr 19 - 04:53 PM

I have not sent PINKFOLK an insulting PM, i asked him a question
Subject: RE: Songs of bad taste
From: punkfolkrocker - PM
Date: 09 Apr 19 - 09:29 PM

Sandman - Now I feel compelled to actually read the lyrics of that song,
just so I can learn it to sing to any cats that crosss my path...

That's how cruel an animal hater I can be if I try...
..........are you under the influence of drugs or are you drunk?
pfr,all sent pms are recorded,Iasked the question becqause your remarks seem not in keeping with what i would expect from someone who was sober, a question isnot an inwsult

Subject: RE: Songs of bad taste
From: GUEST,Nemisis
Date: 14 Apr 19 - 05:03 PM

Davy robertson - The hanky
I have been asked NOT to sing this by a few genteel ladies

Another in bad? taste Billy Connolly- My Granny Song

Subject: RE: Songs of bad taste
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 14 Apr 19 - 05:16 PM

I think it ironic I received an unexpected and inapropriate personsonal message late on a saturday night
asking if I was off my tits on booze or drugs way back days ago...

Sandman - you should have posted your message here in public on this thread.
Then it could be viewed by everyone,
and open to their interpretation of whether it was intended in good humour
or intolerant anger...

But at least I got you back into your own thread again...

woof...

Subject: RE: Songs of bad taste
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 14 Apr 19 - 05:29 PM

Sandman - anyway, whatever your state of humour last night - it's out of order sending such PMs.

..even a petty abuse of the PM facility...

That's what threads are for - petty abuse and pointless arguments...

Subject: RE: Songs of bad taste
From: Little Hawk
Date: 14 Apr 19 - 09:57 PM

Another thing I like about cats is that when they do get offended (and they DO! Frequently!), they loathe you in that moment, hold you in utter contempt, and make it very plain how they feel about you....but a mere 5 minutes later they have simply left it behind them and gone serenely on to the next thing (back to being king or queen of their world).

That's if they know you. They simply don't tend to hold onto negative emotional stuff like people do.

If they don't know you, on the other hand, and you do something they don't like, then they will probably never trust you again.

Dogs are like that too! All is quickly forgiven if you're part of "the pack", but if you're a stranger, they'll hold a grudge against you forever!

This is one area where cats and dogs are surprisingly similar.

Subject: RE: Songs of bad taste
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 14 Apr 19 - 11:56 PM

Litle Hawk - thanks you've put my existence back in order..
I'm possibly half cat half dog by nature....

..a difficult balance of inner conflict and turmoil.. but at least it's some kind of order...

woof meow...

Subject: RE: Songs of bad taste
From: The Sandman
Date: 15 Apr 19 - 05:10 AM

punk folk rocker , i am almost a teetotaller these days, i rarely drink, as i suffer from gout, i arrived back on sat night having done two successful gigs at patrington and norwich ,i had a really enjoyable gig in norwich folk club a venue that does not sell alcohol, and sold 4 cds
i drove 50 miles from the airport without having had anything to drink to find your silly[imo] posts , instead of messing up the thread how about contributing sensibly with any songs that you think are in bad taste.i would appreciate if you kept your silly billy stuff for below the line

Subject: RE: Songs of bad taste
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 15 Apr 19 - 10:01 AM

Sandman - the whole basis of your OP and thread title is silly and intolerant..

pot kettle black etc...

Stop acting like a prissy prat.

I hold some aspects of your talent and politics in high regard,
but in other ways you show yourself up as a petty intolerant argumentative tit...

If a mudcat mod lays down the law and tells us where and what we can post - fair enough..

But if you think you can do that, you can stuff it up yer jumper...

Now get back to doing what you are good at
and why I continue to respect you despite your more negative tendencies...

Here I show dog traits of loyalty and cat traits of contempt..

My mrs was convinced cats and dogs could cross breed when she was a little kid..
Surely in a genetic lab somewhere, just for curiosity...

Subject: RE: Songs of bad taste
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 15 Apr 19 - 02:28 PM

btw.. I neglected to mention earlier..

You derailed your own thread days ago with your own erratic posting behaviour;
by turning irrationally nasty in response good humoured mudcatters
replying to your cranky dismissal of Bogles popular song...

Subject: RE: Songs of bad taste
From: Little Hawk
Date: 15 Apr 19 - 10:20 PM

Okay...back to songs of bad taste. I nominate "Do Ya Think I'm Sexy?" by Rod Stewart. That song could be used to torture condemned prisoners and drive them to madness...but only the very worst of them would deserve it!

Subject: Lyr Add: MY PROPER NAME IS CLARENCE (J Mitchell)
From: The Sandman
Date: 16 Apr 19 - 03:14 AM

MY second name is Clarence but you can call me Clare is a song that makes fun of transvestites ino it is not funny it is no funnier than the song about killing a cat.

MY PROPER NAME IS CLARENCE
(John "Mitch" Mitchell)

While sitting in a hostelry, alone one Sunday night,
A fella came across to me and asked me for a light,
He offered me a cigarette; he bought me half a beer,
And we were getting friendly when he whispered in my ear.

cho: "My proper name is Clarence, but you can call me Clare,
    I wear sexy undies and I peroxide my hair,
    My politics are liberal, my outlook's liberal too,
    In fact my dear, I'm a little bit queer and I've taken a shine to you."

Well I supped my jar; I left that bar, faster than a scalded cat,
Caught the landlord's eye as I went by and I stopped just for a chat,
I said, "Hey, he's propositioned me. Do you allow that there 'ere?"
Well he didn't get riled, in fact, he just smiled and he whispered in my ear.

Well off I did go, to the new disco, to find myself a bride,
Picked up this pearl of a pastry girl, took her for a ride,
In the back of the car, I got so far, then I froze with fear,
When I felt a lump and my heart went thump and a voice whispered in my ear.

Next day at eight, I called my mate, he promised not to tell,
By a quarter to nine the production line, the foreman knew as well,
They called me misses and they blew me kisses, the boss he got to hear,
For me he sent, to the office I went and he whispered in my ear.

I joined the health service, to train to be a nurse,
With stethoscope and fob watch, with pride I fair did burst,
My charge nurse said he'd teach me, the kiss of life technique,
Well first he turned the lights down and when he began to speak, he said,

"My proper name is Clarence, but you can call me Clare,
I wear sexy undies and I peroxide my hair,
My politics are liberal, my outlook's liberal too,
In fact my dear, I'm a little bit queer and I've taken a shine to you.

In fact my dears, thanks for having me here, God bless, good night to you."
Song written by Mitch who hails from Worksop, UK.

See: MY NAME IS CLARENCE
PFR, do you think that song is in good taste
/
/
.I have run a festival for 9 years run folk clubs and sessions these are all positive things, what do you organise or do apart from posting on this forum?

Subject: RE: Songs of bad taste
From: Ged Fox
Date: 16 Apr 19 - 04:03 AM

It would be funnier if it had fewer verses. It's a one joke song and the joke does not support five verses. I'd keep it down to verses 1,2 & 4.

It doesn't make fun of transvestites. It makes fun of the man who feels uncomfortable when unexpectedly meeting transvestites.

Of course it's in bad taste, and it would not do to sing it in the drawing room to one's maiden aunts. (Equally, of course, it's just the kind of song that those maiden aunts would sing amongst themselves.)

Subject: RE: Songs of bad taste
From: The Sandman
Date: 16 Apr 19 - 04:22 AM

yes, it makes fun of liberals it makes fun of transvestites
Next day at eight, I called my mate, he promised not to tell,
By a quarter to nine the production line, the foreman knew as well,
They called me misses and they blew me kisses, the boss he got to hear,
For me he sent, to the office
I went and he whispered in my ear.
it sterotypes all liberals, and calls someone queer
My proper name is Clarence, but you can call me Clare,
    I wear sexy undies and I peroxide my hair,
    My politics are liberal, my outlook's liberal too,
    In fact my dear, I'm a little bit queer and I've taken a shine to you."
humour is the most effective way of delivering a message, i do not like messages of intolerance or messages that in any way suggest that an animals misfortune is funny. everyone is entiled to have a different take on this [including myself].

Subject: RE: Songs of bad taste
From: The Sandman
Date: 16 Apr 19 - 04:24 AM

ged i would not sing either song at a folk club or concert

Subject: RE: Songs of bad taste
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 16 Apr 19 - 08:06 AM

Sandman - get it into your head that neither I nor most other folks
care how much you are offended by such trivia.
You are acting in this thread like a petulant pillock with a bruised ego..

Whereas in the Notre Dame thread [even though you jumped in with your facts wrong]
you are the establishment challenging sandman I can respect more and side with...

Right then, now back to this thread..

That Clarence song is shit..
It isn't very problematic in it's treatment of a serious issue,
it's just very badly written and unfunny.. very out dated...
In it's favour though, it's probably not intended to hurt any specific listeners...???

I'd judge a song more if it is intended as reactionary propaganda,
spitefuly malicious and hateful towards targeted victims..

but that's just my opinion...

A good 'offensive' song is funny in content and delivery,
even if transgressing into subject areas that most folks would rather keep quiet about..
.. and far more effective if taking the piss out of reactionary dominant elements in society...

Again, merely my opinion, but possibly backed up by a lot more folk who might agree...

Subject: RE: Songs of bad taste
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 16 Apr 19 - 08:58 AM

Sandman - btw...

If I am provoked to take the piss out of you in any thread where your behaviour justifies it,
I can still back you up in other threads where we are on the same side
together against a common 'enemy'...

That's how mudcat works...

.. and real life as well...

Mates can stand up to each other's nonsense,
and tell each other when they're acting like prats..
Sulkers are a pain in the arse, but even they can get over themeselves eventually
and join back in as normal..

Subject: RE: Songs of bad taste
From: Acorn4
Date: 16 Apr 19 - 10:11 AM

There is taste in humour just like there is taste in food and what one person finds funny will just leave others cold - this isn't the same as what is in good/bad taste of course but I always remember someone describing Cannon and Ball as"the only comedy duo with two straight men". Marmite!

Subject: RE: Songs of bad taste
From: The Sandman
Date: 16 Apr 19 - 02:45 PM

In it's favour though, it's probably not intended to hurt any specific listeners"
I saw this song performed by a singer called TomBrown , he accompanied it with mincing actions it was intended to mock transvestites and gays, so the performance was a mocvking one , difficult to perform such a song in a way that would be sympathetic to transvesties or as the song calls gays.. queers

Subject: RE: Songs of bad taste
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 16 Apr 19 - 03:00 PM

Sandman - As I don't know that song or it's writer I was trying to give it the benefit of the doubt
until aware of evidence otherwise..

If what you say is correct, then it has no redeeming qualities..
It's just shit...

However a hateful person could twist just about anything, no matter how innocent, to promote their malicious agenda.

Similarly a gay person could appropriate that song and perform it in a gay club
as an ironic parody of homophobics...???

Comedy is too complex to dictate simplistic black and white positions for or against...

Subject: RE: Songs of bad taste
From: GUEST,Phil d'Conch
Date: 16 Apr 19 - 04:46 PM

Based on a true story.

One species' tragedy: "Force fed; sodomized; tortured by fire and driven insane."

Is another's comedy: "We filled his head with cannonballs and powdered his behind and when we touched the powder off the gator lost his mind."

Subject: RE: Songs of bad taste
From: GUEST,Nemisis
Date: 16 Apr 19 - 05:09 PM

Phil d'Conch - Bravo brilliando

Subject: RE: Songs of bad taste
From: Little Hawk
Date: 16 Apr 19 - 05:32 PM

HA! HA! HA!

Subject: RE: Songs of bad taste
From: The Sandman
Date: 16 Apr 19 - 06:13 PM

humour can be so effective at getting though a message, here is an example that involves some music but takes the piss out of racists, and thisis my point humour can be used to bring out the best in people or as in the case of bernard manning the lowest common denominator so i am asking people to think about content of songs including funny songs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bp8aTvVqE7I">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bp8aTvVqE7I

Subject: RE: Songs of bad taste
From: The Sandman
Date: 16 Apr 19 - 06:15 PM

link here for abovehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bp8aTvVqE7I

Subject: RE: Songs of bad taste
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 16 Apr 19 - 06:42 PM

..and what's so wrong with the common denomiator..

we don't have to be elitist moralistic snobs all of the time.. how boring...

Subject: RE: Songs of bad taste
From: The Sandman
Date: 17 Apr 19 - 02:11 AM

well it in many cases it is appealing to the worst in people the establishment tabloid newspapers bang on about social security scroungers earning black money yet ignore serious tax evaders like the owner of the daily mail[ hardly surprising].
divde and rule set one faction of people against another. Apartheid was a classic example, get zulus to fight xhona, so white south africans kept control.
for society to be fairer it is important to appeal to the highest common factor not the LOWEST common denominator and since in my opinion humour in song is a great way of getting a political message across in a subtle manner, the content of humourous songs becomes important, songs that laugh at gay or transevestite people are setting one section of people against another , songs that laugh at domestic cats being killed, are appealing to the kind of ethos that the catholic church used to say animals do not have souls let us laugh about someomes cat being killed. one example is only an extrapolation or extension of the other both are songs that do not encourage either tolerance or sympathy. contrast to this humorous song
IN THESE HARD TIMES

div

Things are bad, awful bad,
In fact they've never been worse before
But every single chappie can make a girlie happy
Food is dear, rent is dear,
But love is cheap for the time of year
So grab the nearest Miss
And whisper while you kiss.

Chorus: 'In these hard times you've got to put up with anything
In these hard times you mustn't pick and choose'
And if you're nice, and squeeze her tight
She'll ask you round tomorrow night
If you don't mind sitting without a light
In these hard times.

Farmer Brown came to town
He spent the day at the cattle show
Then went to wet his whistle, inside the hotel Cecil
Lady fair, near him there
Had all her neck and shoulders bare
Said Farmer Brown 'Alack'
As he saw her dainty back.

Chorus: 'In these hard times you've got to put up with anything
In these hard times you mustn't pick and choose
This fancy kind of o' dress ye wear
Leaves all ye neck and shoulders bare
But you're lucky to be dressed to there.'
In these hard times.

Missis Green, rather mean
Went out last Saturday marketing
And saw out in the gutter, a codfish on a shutter
She felt its gums, poked her thumbs
All round the fish and she said 'Oh crumbs
It don't look nice at all'
Then the coster had to bawl

Chorus: 'In these hard times you've got to put up with anything
In these hard times you mustn't pick and choose'
That codfish there's a sacrifice,
And I ask ye Ma'am would you look nice
If you'd 'ave been torpedoed twice, in these hard times?'

PDF Sheet Music

div

Performed by Whit Cunliffe (1876-1966)
Written and composed by R.P. Weston & F.J. Barnes
or this
the song of the prune
La-la-la-la
La-la-la-la
Nowadays we often gaze
On women over fifty
Without the slightest trace
Of wrinkles on their face
Doctors go and take their dough
To make them young and nifty
But Doctors I defy
To tell me just why
No matter how young a prune may be
It's always full of wrinkles
We may get them on our face
Prunes get 'em every place
Prohibition worries us
But prunes don't sit and brood
For no matter how young a prune may be
It's always getting stewed

In the kingdom of the fruits
The prune is snubbed by others
And they are not allowed
To mingle with the crowd
Though they're never on display
With all their highbrow brothers
They never seem to mind
To this fact they're resigned
That no matter how young a prune may be
It's always full of wrinkles
Beauty treatments always fail
They've tried all to no avail
Other fruits are envious
Because they know real well
That no matter how young a prune may be
Hot water makes 'em swell


Baby prunes look like their dad
But not wrinkled quite as bad

Every day in every way
The world is getting better
We've even learned to fly
As days go passing by
But how about the poor old prune
His life is only wetter
No wonder he can't win
In the awful stew he's in
No matter how young a prune may be
He's always full of wrinkles
We may get them on our face
Prunes get 'em every place
Nothing ever worries them
Their life's an open book
But no matter how young a prune may be
It has a worried look

Prunes act very kind they say
When sickly people moan
But no matter how young a prune may be
It has a heart of stone

Subject: RE: Songs of bad taste
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 17 Apr 19 - 02:24 AM

Sandman - your heart is in the right place,
but frankly I think you are out of touch with wider contemporary popular culture..

..and you clearly don't get all the different styles of modern comedy
that appeal to younger people...

You might be very surprised / shocked at what educated liberal minded younger folk find funny these days..

Do you watch television much at all...???

Subject: RE: Songs of bad taste
From: GUEST,Phil D'Conch
Date: 17 Apr 19 - 09:34 AM

Sandman: “...so i am asking people to think about content of songs...”

While continually assuming ignorance or evil if they disagree.. with you. “People” do think, and then they laugh… or cry. That's how taste works if everyone isn't you. Which they are not. Losing a loved one in an auto accident is no joking matter unless it is:

“And he said "God, make it a dream!"
as he rode his last ride down.
And he sideswiped nineteen neat parked cars,
clipped off thirteen telephone poles,
hit two houses, bruised eight trees,
and Blue-Crossed seven people.
it was then he lost his head,
not to mention an arm or two before he stopped….”
[Harry Chapin]


But most conflate 'taste' with flavour which is a lot of smell:

“Yeah you got yer dead cat and you got yer dead dog
On a moonlight night you got yer dead toad frog
Got yer dead rabbit and yer dead raccoon
The blood and the guts they're gonna make you swoon!”
[Loudon Wainwright III]

Subject: RE: Songs of bad taste
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 17 Apr 19 - 09:51 AM

I'm a life long progressive left winger..
moderate centrist on some issues.. militant farish left on others..

What I find discomforting about my side of the political spectrum
is an increasing tendency towards judgemental intolerant puritanism...

It used to be fundamentalist right wing religious spoilsports - the Mary Whitehouse brigade..

Now it seems to be 'us' trying to make culture more restricted and miserable...

no thanks.. where's the fun in that...???

Subject: RE: Songs of bad taste
From: GUEST,Phil d'Conch
Date: 17 Apr 19 - 10:14 AM

Cats... need white knights like a fish needs a bicycle. Mine are world class shoe poopers when displeased.

RIP: Simon Bond

Subject: RE: Songs of bad taste
From: topical tom
Date: 17 Apr 19 - 11:31 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EtSmAzklhoc

Subject: RE: Songs of bad taste
From: The Sandman
Date: 17 Apr 19 - 11:32 AM

nmo iam not being intolerant ,i said i would not sing particular songs, i would like people to think about what they are singing about, i find the clarence song in worse taste than the cat song , but i do not like either, what others do is up to them , i did not like some of vin garbutts songs but i believed he should be able to sing them , if i do not like i do not clap ,end of story,
soPFR you do not know me and you are jumping to a conclusion that i wish to stop people from singing what they like, that is not the case , but do not expect me to applaud if i hear either of those songs. What i want is tfor people to give thought to their repertoire.

Subject: RE: Songs of bad taste
From: The Sandman
Date: 17 Apr 19 - 11:35 AM

pfr feel free to sing either of the two songs i mentioned at my gigs, but dont expect me to applaud , before you accuse me of anything further THINK, REFLECT have you got the message, DO YOU UNDERSTAND ME CLESARLY

Subject: RE: Songs of bad taste
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 17 Apr 19 - 11:48 AM

Sandman - lighten up.. I'm not getting at you for the sake of it,
just the position you seem to be taking, and how you are presenting yourself in this thread.
I can only try my best to evaluate what you are writing as objectively as I can..

It's not all about YOU, even if you'd like it to be...???

Do you watch much TV comedy, or go to modern metropolitan comedy clubs
often enough to be in a position to judge other folk's sense of humour...???