Confession: I stabbed George Harrison

Subject: RE: Confession: I stabbed George Harrison
From: lloyd61
Date: 30 Dec 99 - 08:57 PM

Gern, You are looking at the situation wrong, we are not guilty, but those of us who made the Beetles a part of our recreational life, we are victims. That knight the struck George is felt by us all.

Lets all pray for George and his wife.

Lloyd

Subject: RE: Confession: I stabbed George Harrison
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 30 Dec 99 - 08:57 PM

Ditto Art. I'm laughing too hard!

"I shot the sherrif...but I didn't stab George Harrison".

Rick

Subject: RE: Confession: I stabbed George Harrison
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 30 Dec 99 - 09:11 PM

This just came up in a Real News flash. Are we all guilty of this? Was fame involved? ....

"Five people are dead after a shooting rampage in Tampa, Florida. An employee of the Radisson Bay Harbor Inn is suspected of killing four of his co-workers at the hotel. Three others were wounded in the shooting. A fifth person was killed when the suspect attempted to steal a car to flee the scene, police say. The suspect was caught about a mile from the hotel."

Jon

Subject: RE: Confession: I stabbed George Harrison
From: Barry Finn
Date: 30 Dec 99 - 09:52 PM

Being born Jewish & raised Catholic I knew as soon as I heard I was guilty of what ever it was that happened & I never even met the guy of really cared for his style that much but hey, when there's a car stolen across town I just sit there waiting for the cops who know I had something to do with. Hell I'm still waiting to find out what they're going to do to me when they realize I was connected with the loss of the dinosaurs. Thanks Gern, I was hoping to add to the weight that the world has already dumped on me I just can't get enough of it. Barry, who just can't beat a good guilt trip with a stick.

Subject: RE: Confession: I stabbed George Harrison
From: kendall
Date: 30 Dec 99 - 09:59 PM

have you also noticed that everytime someones travelers checks are missing, Karl Malden is around?

Subject: RE: Confession: I stabbed George Harrison
From: Barry Finn
Date: 30 Dec 99 - 10:03 PM

Oh no Kendall, you guessed it, he's still after me, "no where to run, no where to hide". What am I ever gonna do?. Barry

Subject: RE: Confession: I stabbed George Harrison
From: Dave (the ancient mariner)
Date: 30 Dec 99 - 10:30 PM

Speaking as someone who has dedicated his life to saving lives; here's A song for George Harrison.

To the tune of "My Bonny Lies Over The Ocean"

If (insert the name of the Asshole who stabbed george) fell into the ocean, If (Ditto) fell into the sea, If (**) fell into the ocean, He'd get sod all lifebelt from me, Swim Back oh swim back, oh swim back you bastard, to me to me, Swim back, swim back, oh swim back you bastard to me.

Get well soon George, Yours, Aye. Dave

Subject: RE: Confession: I stabbed George Harrison
From: ddw
Date: 30 Dec 99 - 10:36 PM

This gets my vote as the most ridiculous thread of the year. If I can offer a totally detached view — never having been able to stand the Beatles and not really giving a happy damn about John Lennon or George Harrison as musicians — I think we can all feel bad for other humans who get hurt or killed, but I'm certainly not going to take any guilt for it. If it's part of some predestined plan (I was raised around a lot of Presbyterians), my only beef is that it didn't happen before the Beatles messed up a lot of great old rock'n'roll tunes and then sold all that namby-pamby, gutless crap they wrote to a whole generation who didn't know any better.

Guilt?

Don't get talkin', I'll tell everything I know. — Sonny Boy Williamson

Subject: RE: Confession: I stabbed George Harrison
From: DonMeixner
Date: 30 Dec 99 - 10:53 PM

Here is my .02. gern has made a really brainless comment. I think its rediculous to say "I am responsible for the acts of another person who I don't know never did know and would probably never meet". I'd never supoport this line of thinking. I'd never shoulder anothers responsibility for heinous crime and anyone who tells me I must had better be a better scrapper then i am by God.

Now someone explain how this is any different than affirmative action? Which I also don't support.

Don

Subject: RE: Confession: I stabbed George Harrison
From: catspaw49
Date: 30 Dec 99 - 11:53 PM

Which is why AA ain't gettin' it.....but we like bandaids I guess. Just dumb.

Do you remember the old George Carlin routine about inserting fuck for kill? It was going through my head as I watched the tragic Tampa coverage.....The "postal" syndrome is really getting nuts.

Sorry, I'm warped.

Spaw

Subject: RE: Confession: I stabbed George Harrison
From: DonMeixner
Date: 31 Dec 99 - 12:06 AM

"I'm a gonna fuck ya, Sheriff, an I'm a gonna fuck ya slow"

Subject: RE: Confession: I stabbed George Harrison
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 31 Dec 99 - 12:18 AM

Gosh ddw, I'm glad your statement was "detached". If you were more involved you might have blown 'em all away by your lonesome! (you know I'm kidding, don't you?)

Hmmmm, the year's most ridiculous thread eh? This might be in the top 30, but boy, can I think of some! Wouldn't work though to start a thread on "Most ridiculous Thread". Someone else would start one on "Best thread of the Year" and many of the same entries would be on both lists! Different strokes.

Rick

Subject: RE: Confession: I stabbed George Harrison
From: catspaw49
Date: 31 Dec 99 - 12:26 AM

Go ahead Rick....start a BIG mess..............go ahead........LMAO

Spaw

Subject: RE: Confession: I stabbed George Harrison
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 31 Dec 99 - 12:37 AM

Catspaw, I know this isn't the time or the place...but I'm in a giddy mood tonight, so here goes: Thanks for the laughs, (the good ones I mean..not the crap when your medication goes screwy) thanks for some wonderfully insightful posts, and it was great meeting you in person. Long may you live.

If this is too much thread creep (or if I'm being so sucky you want to throw up)..then stab me, the way you all did George. Hee, Hee.

Rick

Subject: RE: Confession: I stabbed George Harrison
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 31 Dec 99 - 12:44 AM

No,stabbing's too good for him! Let's get him stoned and then push him in the pool, like we did Brian Jones!

Subject: RE: Confession: I stabbed George Harrison
From: catspaw49
Date: 31 Dec 99 - 12:48 AM

You still on meds for that cold or is the fever running high? Whatever it is....let me return the sentiment/thought to you. You've added dimension to my life that I had been missing....no, not the 4th dimension, I already had that.

Spaw

Subject: RE: Confession: I stabbed George Harrison
From: Chet W.
Date: 31 Dec 99 - 01:08 AM

This is exactly the same shit stupid idea that my former students in juvenile prison had, along with the more deranged of their social workers, that when they shoot or rape or hurt somebody, the whole world may be to blame, but certainly not them. Grow up for godsakes. People were being nice to call you an idiot.

Spritually aligned with Catspaw, Chet

Subject: RE: Confession: I stabbed George Harrison
From: kendall
Date: 31 Dec 99 - 08:36 AM

I really dont think he is an idiot..sounds like he was overwrought and needed to vent. We are a compassionate bunch, what say we cut him some slack?

Subject: RE: Confession: I stabbed George Harrison
From: Chet W.
Date: 31 Dec 99 - 08:50 AM

You're right, k, but when I hear this kind of thing it reminds me of my students, and in their case it generally ends up costing them their lives. I over-reacted verbally, but I still mean what I said about the stupidity of the idea, but not the man or woman.

Chet

Subject: RE: Confession: I stabbed George Harrison
From: Terry Allan Hall
Date: 31 Dec 99 - 09:31 AM

I agree we should cut Gern a little slack, but at the same time I, nor anyone else I personally know, caused GH any harm.

There is an ever-increasing tendency to blame the world's problems on everyone except the "fuck-ups" who cause the afore-mentioned problem. Wanna blame someone? Blame the perpetrator...and no-one else. Certainly not GH for being reasonably successful.

Just my $.02 worth.

Subject: RE: Confession: I stabbed George Harrison
From: wildlone
Date: 31 Dec 99 - 11:04 AM

Reading about this in todays papers,and having lived quite close to Georges place at Henley it shows that it does'nt matter how much security you have got [George had lots]if some nut intent on being famous decides to do somthing he is likely to manage it.
davehappytobeanonentity

Subject: RE: Confession: I stabbed George Harrison
From: Art Thieme
Date: 31 Dec 99 - 11:30 AM

Barry,

As a secular Jew/Heathen married to a Jehovah's Witness I fully understand.

Art
(Former pastor of Our Lady Of Pepetual Guilt church---now retired and laughing at everything.)

Subject: RE: Confession: I stabbed George Harrison
From: mmcconeghy
Date: 31 Dec 99 - 12:45 PM

get a grip.

Subject: RE: Confession: I stabbed George Harrison
From: bseed(charleskratz)
Date: 31 Dec 99 - 02:39 PM

Now if you'd all let me off the hook for eating that apple...

--seed

Subject: RE: Confession: I stabbed George Harrison
From: Áine
Date: 31 Dec 99 - 03:12 PM

No problem, Seed -- as long as you forgive me about gettin' involved with that long slimey fella in the tree -- even though I do prefer your spare rib(s)!!!

-- Áine

Subject: RE: Confession: I stabbed George Harrison
From: Chet W.
Date: 31 Dec 99 - 04:05 PM

Such metaphors! I love it.

As everybody looks for somebody to blame, the idea of collective, even universal guilt is certainly attractive. But it is a very, very bad path to start down. I generally love my students, but the idea of personal responsibility is as foreign to them as the moons of Neptune. "Victim of society" is a phrase often used by many adult caregivers. And of course there's some truth to it, but it is overwhelmingly overshadowed by the decision that one person makes at one point in time, and the consequences that come afterward. If the idea of personal responsibility does not come back into style, it will be time to find a place to live with no address.

C

Subject: RE: Confession: I stabbed George Harrison
From: Tenda Loyne/PRF
Date: 01 Jan 00 - 12:45 PM

This incident hits home because I was caught up in the orginal Beatlemania in '63 and though I was too young to go to concerts, I was old enough to idolize this man and his companions. I feel the same way about the attack on Harrison as I felt about the attack on JKF all those years ago (no pun intended). Why would anyone want to harm him? This is George Harrison here! A man who never hurt anyone and has contributed so much to music. To me, he is still the 'Quiet Beatle' as he was called back then, and although Beatlemania is a thing of the past, I still hold this man in high regard. To suggest that I had anything to do with the attack on him or Lennon is just as absurd as if it were suggested that I contributed as a 10year old to the attack on Kennedy also. If anyone wants to feel responsible for it, feel free, but don't suggest that I would share in that. I would have willingly put myself between him and the knife if I could have.

Subject: RE: Confession: I stabbed George Harrison
From: lajka
Date: 01 Jan 00 - 01:14 PM

Does th name Sid Vicious ring a bell?? I killed his Nancy.

Whit love from Sweden.

Subject: RE: Confession: I stabbed George Harrison
From: Margo
Date: 01 Jan 00 - 02:13 PM

(Haven't read all the posts) I refuse to be whitewashed with the brush of responsibility for the actions of madmen!! I am in no way responsible. I agree about the danger of idolitry, though. Not healthy for the adorer or the adored. But that is one thing I like about the people here at the mudcat. Here I am conversing with folks who are great recording "stars", yet we are person to person, without the relationship of adored and adorer. It is, rather, a mutual respect. No, I am not responsible for stabbing ol' George.

Margo

Subject: RE: Confession: I stabbed George Harrison
From: Margo
Date: 01 Jan 00 - 02:35 PM

Just read all the Posts. BARRY, YOU'RE HILARIOUS!!! Someone once said to me that they'd swear I was Catholic because of how much guilt I carried around. I said, no, just Jewish!!! Hahahahahaha Love you, Margo

Subject: RE: Confession: I stabbed George Harrison
From: kendall
Date: 01 Jan 00 - 02:53 PM

what "stars" are you conversing with?

Subject: RE: Confession: I stabbed George Harrison
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 01 Jan 00 - 03:12 PM

I get it.

The man who did this was unhinged. He was loose in the community because of the "care in the community" policy and lack of mental health funds and because no-one has corrected a lacuna in law which prevents schizophrenics being detained for treatment or prevention.

All 3 things can be squarely blamed on Margaret Thatcher.

Gern, you have just confessed to being Margaret Thatcher. If so, you are guilty of so much more as well.

Subject: RE: Confession: I stabbed George Harrison
From: Margo
Date: 01 Jan 00 - 09:17 PM

I'll never tell, Kendall, lest heads swell..... But really, I just mean recorded and well known in the folk community, not superstars.

Subject: RE: Confession: I stabbed George Harrison
From: Sourdough
Date: 01 Jan 00 - 10:32 PM

I've been really surprised by the intensity of the reaction to Gern's post. Sure, I don't agree with it. So? There are things posted in other threads I don't agree with, things many of us don't agree with. However, this particular post seems to have touched a nerve and people have been prodded into responding. Some are changing the topic, introducing straw men to argue against, to make points, valid as they may be, about things Gern didn't really say. What I find a little disapponting is that some of the people being the harshest judges are normally understanding of points of view that are different from their own hard-won opinions. For some reason, this idea of social guilt has struck more sparks of hostility than any threads I have ever followed before.

Reasonable people have held what seem to me to be generally similar opinions. The idea comes up whenever a celebrity is assassinated. Something similar came up when civil rights activists began talking about US society as being oppressive of minorities. There are also people who see our society as a whole benefitting from the exploitation of other countries. Gern expressed his/her idea crudely but I'll bet he was surprised at what his mea culpable message sparked. I know, I have been.

Sourdough

Subject: RE: Confession: I stabbed George Harrison
From: sophocleese
Date: 01 Jan 00 - 10:57 PM

Me too Sourdough. Thanks for saying it clearly for me.

Subject: RE: Confession: I stabbed George Harrison
From: MandolinPaul
Date: 02 Jan 00 - 10:22 AM

How come nobody ever stabs David Lee Roth?

Paul.

Subject: RE: Confession: I stabbed George Harrison
From: JedMarum
Date: 02 Jan 00 - 11:30 AM

LOL@Paul. I agree, why not?

Subject: RE: Confession: I stabbed George Harrison
From: Margo
Date: 02 Jan 00 - 11:47 AM

Sourdough, I don't think it is surprising to see those reactions. It's like being falsely accused. There is hardly anything more hurtful or alarming to a person to be accused of something they haven't done.

Now, as to the tone of some of the posts: I guess some people find it difficult to control "outbursts". What I mean is that I frequently feel strongly about something, but try hard to edit and reread my posts before submitting to make sure I am being succinct without unnecessary rudeness (name calling) or anything else that may detract from the post. I think it is easy enough to express disagreement or even outrage without cussing or namecalling.

But when I see people do that inposts, I can see the emotion and look beyond it. That's just the way people are, so why get upset? Then there are some posts that are so rude, that I have responded with reprimand. (Gargoyle Hunter)

The most surprising thing to me is that anyone would be surprised at people's reaction to this thread!!

Margo :o)

Subject: RE: Confession: I stabbed George Harrison
From: sophocleese
Date: 02 Jan 00 - 02:21 PM

Margo. I think what surprised me was the tone in which those reactions were expressed. Name-calling entered the picture pretty quickly. Sourdough was pointing that fact out. I tend to read through the rudeness also, but it wouldn't surprise me if Gern didn't write anything more, he certainly got jumped all over.

Subject: RE: Confession: I stabbed George Harrison
From: Margo
Date: 02 Jan 00 - 03:10 PM

Yeah, Soph. You are right about that. I remember once being jumped upon for a thread, and I was pretty hurt. I was going to quit mudcatting when apologies were offered. So Gern, I dare not apologise for anyone else, but I do hope you'll stay and post again. Margo

Subject: RE: Confession: I stabbed George Harrison
From: kendall
Date: 02 Jan 00 - 03:31 PM

oxymoron = folk star

Subject: RE: Confession: I stabbed George Harrison
From: Ringer
Date: 03 Jan 00 - 12:31 PM

Re Richard Bridge's posting, 01-Jan-00 - 03:12 PM:
I'm no authority on UK law (and I know RB's tongue was, at least partially, in his cheek), but

(a) isn't this "lacuna in law which prevents schizophrenics being detained for treatment or prevention" simply JUSTICE? That is, we don't lock up a man because of what he is, only for what he does and

(b) isn't there a process called sectioning which does permit a schizophrenic to be locked up before he does something?

Subject: RE: Confession: I stabbed George Harrison
From: Jimmy
Date: 04 Jan 00 - 01:30 AM

As a Glasgow man, this entire convoluted and confusing thread and the intuative reasoning of Richard Bridge has convinced me that Margaret Thatcher is definitely the sole perpetrator of this and a thousand other crimes against humanity. The death penalty in Britain should be temporarily repealed, off with the old bag, and then the ban can be reinstated. Either that or break into her house and stab her!

Subject: RE: Confession: I stabbed George Harrison
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 17 Sep 01 - 11:23 PM

I have read a lot of old threads, but surely this must be the weirdest of the lot?

Subject: RE: Confession: I stabbed George Harrison
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 18 Sep 01 - 01:36 AM

There are no longer "dancers," the possessed. The cleavage of men into actor and spectators is the central fact of our time. We are obsessed with heroes who live for us and whom we punish. If all the radios and televisions were deprived of their sources of power, all books and paintings burned tomorrow, all shows and cinemas closed, all the arts of vicarious existence...

We are content with the "given" in sensation's quest. We have been metamorphosized from a mad body dancing on hillsides to a pair of eyes staring in the dark.

-JWM 1968

Subject: RE: Confession: I stabbed George Harrison
From: GUEST,Squee17
Date: 23 Feb 05 - 01:11 AM

We all idolize our heroes, the people who move us. I know what it is to hate the people you love because you are jelous or what not. But murder is something I may never understand. Thank you all!
"R.I.P George"

Subject: RE: Confession: I stabbed George Harrison
From: GUEST,Sidewinder
Date: 24 Feb 05 - 02:21 AM

We are at a place where insanity rules. I only hope George is tending his garden in the sky and singing harmony with John and happy and contented and fulfilled with his higher existence. Because things really are screwed up here.I loved and respected George and the rest of them and cannot comprehend how anyone can resurrect such a nonsensical thread. I reitterate my original point Insanity Rules!

Regards.

Sidewinder.

Subject: RE: Confession: I stabbed George Harrison
From: Paco Rabanne
Date: 24 Feb 05 - 06:53 AM

I shot JR.

Subject: RE: Confession: I stabbed George Harrison
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 24 Feb 05 - 08:32 AM

It wasn't me I'd gone fishing.

eric

Subject: RE: Confession: I stabbed George Harrison
From: GUEST,Sidewinder.
Date: 24 Feb 05 - 10:11 AM

My Sweet Lord!

Regards.

Sidewinder.