BS: WAV with Pics

Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 14 Jun 22 - 12:54 PM

I have never once ignored or denied that we are now more multicultural and I challenge you to find an example. I have always said that multiculturalism on our little isle is a good thing though. Which you now seem to be saying as well so I think the discussion is at an end.

Continue at your own risk!

Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: Donuel
Date: 14 Jun 22 - 12:47 PM

You ignore/"deny", what I've said many times. What you have here is a travelog. It aint poetry or verse in my book.

Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 14 Jun 22 - 12:39 PM

You ignore/"deny", Dave, what I've said here many times - I love our world/our United Nations being multicultural (following many walkabouts, a major in anthropology, etc).

Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 14 Jun 22 - 12:12 PM

No one is denying it WAV but only you seem to be saying that multiculturalism is a bad thing. Which is why you are seen as either racist, stupid or both. Whether you like that or not, denying it is foolish!

Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 14 Jun 22 - 10:25 AM

The fact is, less than half a percent of England's population in the 1950s was not born here &, due to mass economic/CAPITALIST immigrtnion, England IS a lot more multicultural now than then - whether or not we like it, denying that is foolish.

Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 14 Jun 22 - 07:13 AM

And many of those countries are in turn made of of other races! The whole concept of pure races is and always has been a falacy.

Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 13 Jun 22 - 07:18 PM

What I've said is realism not racism, SRS, and, in the U.S. or the U.K., any lawyer would tell you that - even if they happened to have pro-immigrationist beliefs.

Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 13 Jun 22 - 06:20 PM

I'll put it another way for you, then, Steve & Dave - each "ball"/post should be played on its merits; we don't wont monarchical-like inequality, or people resorting to lazy cheap-shots, here do we?

Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 13 Jun 22 - 06:07 PM

you both know that since the 1950s (when less than half a percent were not born here) England's population has changed radically

Why, with all your qualifications and world experience can you not see that as a racially charged statement? Making comments like that is either racist or totally insensitive. Either way you need to stop. But, hey, that is just my advice for if you want to stop being binned. Take it or leave it. No skin off my nose.

Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 13 Jun 22 - 06:01 PM

You don't get a free pass just because you've been on Mudcat for a long time, mate. I can think of a couple of others who were here for a long time who got booted. I've sailed close to the wind meself as it happens. So don't try to pull that one, eh?

Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 13 Jun 22 - 05:52 PM

Nothing in my last post is racist, Dave, &, if things were fair, you not I would be sin binned - you have not said where I am wrong but just lazily used the R word again, against a long-term member of Mudcat.

Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 13 Jun 22 - 05:35 PM

I thought you hoped that your last visit to the sin bin was the final one? It is racist comments like that that put you there and it seems, for all your bragging about your 'major' (is that an English thing?) and your travels, you never learn.

Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 13 Jun 22 - 05:34 AM

We should be planting more Dog Roses in England - along with the other native flora that our native fauna EVOLVED with.

Agree, Dave, to the extent that, until around the 1950s & mass economic/CAPITALIST immigration, England was an old old blend of European cultures.

And, whilst I was sin the Mudcat "sin bin" (hopefully for the last time), I noticed William Windsor out selling Big Issues, and a regular seller (almost certainly with 100s of times less wealth) falling for it by calling him "The Peoples' Prince".

Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 12 Jun 22 - 03:43 PM

If I'm called anti-immigrationist, I can accept it with some qualification but NOT "racist" (above), which is defamatory (&, making it worse, the posts - which did not have any racism in them - can no-longer be read.

I love our world/our United Nations being multicultural - including English culture in England which IS on the decline and, thus, I'm one of those trying to do something about it.

Furthermore, I am anti-monarchism without being against any particular royal (I agree with Charles Windsor on some environmental issues, and have said above that Elizabeth Windsor happens to be quite a good public speaker - whether or not she actually writes all the words, as Steve mentions above).

Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 09 Jun 22 - 01:26 PM

I'm not saying all can or should do as I've done and repatriate to the land of their forebears, Gillymor.

I think the United Nations should make all economic/CAPITALIST immigration illegal from now on, and help genuine asylum seekers to their NEAREST safe nation.

Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: gillymor
Date: 09 Jun 22 - 01:10 PM

Do you believe the races should be separate?

Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 09 Jun 22 - 12:46 PM

I've VISITED about 40 nations, Gillymor.

Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: gillymor
Date: 09 Jun 22 - 12:42 PM

It appears that you're advocating segregation of the races.

Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 09 Jun 22 - 12:05 PM

You are mistaken, Gillymor - seemingly only reading what BW quoted and not my whole post, which included "A happy medium would be nice".

I want English to love our world/our United Nations being multicultural - INCLUDING English culture in England.

Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: gillymor
Date: 09 Jun 22 - 11:31 AM

" not that long ago, English were so proud of their own culture & ways they lorded it over so many others & painted much of the globe pink (a polar opposite to now, if you'll pardon the pun)."

Am I mistaken, WAV, or are you advocating white supremacy with that statement and the "pun" that followed it? Just curious.

Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 09 Jun 22 - 11:21 AM

Both, BW.

Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 09 Jun 22 - 11:07 AM

"not that long ago, English were so proud of their own culture & ways they lorded it over so many others & painted much of the globe pink"

Wrong once again, WAV old boy. It was SFA to do with 'pride' and everything to do with avarice.

Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 09 Jun 22 - 10:50 AM

A happy medium would be nice - not that long ago, English were so proud of their own culture & ways they lorded it over so many others & painted much of the globe pink (a polar opposite to now, if you'll pardon the pun).

Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 09 Jun 22 - 08:58 AM

No, Steve - from my anthropology major, my travels on a shoestring, etc., I'm genuinely upset by the decline of English culture in England.

And, as for "cod-nationalism", if English fare becomes any more rare & exotic in modern England, it may soon come back into fashion..?!

Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 09 Jun 22 - 07:19 AM

...clog dancing to his English cittern playing.

Subject: RE: BS: WAV with Pics
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 29 May 22 - 03:48 AM

Yes Steve - just up Bolton Street (which it soon runs under) from Peel Monument and Bury's main church; the guard told me the line also crosses the Irwell some 9 times, on quite a scenic journey to Rawtenstall. (Not sure if it did 2001, but it now also runs the other way to Heywood, which I have not been on.)

Subject: RE: BS: WAV with Pics
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 28 May 22 - 06:25 PM

I suppose that that's the steam train that runs under the bridge by the Premier Inn in Bury. I've leaned on that bridge, not far from the Peel monument, many times to see the train go past, though I haven't been on the train. My two kids have (now in their forties!), as it was one of the treats provided by my mum and dad when they stayed with them, just a mile away down Radcliffe Road.

Subject: RE: BS: WAV with Pics
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 28 May 22 - 03:27 PM

Choo-choo: a couple of decades on from my poem, the steam train still runs, on the East Lancashire Railway line, from Bury to "Rawtenstall" - thus, photos from my bridge-camera now attached.

Subject: RE: BS: WAV with Pics
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 17 May 22 - 10:59 AM

...or NOT linked above, sorry, because I have not taken the pics yet! "Birdwatchers' Bude"

Subject: RE: BS: WAV with Pics
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 17 May 22 - 10:55 AM

Hi Steve - glad you enjoyed the pics of your hometown; and, probably later this year, I hope to revisit, again with my camera, what I think is still your present town, Bude, and swim in what looks on Google Maps like a fine Sea Pool. You may recall me saying my late-uncle moved there (actually nearby Kilkhampton) from Manchester, and I made a couple of visits and a poem about it - "Bird Watchers' Bude," linked above.

Subject: RE: BS: WAV with Pics
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 16 May 22 - 07:17 PM

Radcliffe is my home town. Cheers for the pics. I haven't lived there for half a century now but I recognise a lot of the places.

Subject: RE: BS: WAV with Pics
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 16 May 22 - 04:03 PM

Still a lot more camera-outings to make, but I think this brings me back up-to-date here in terms of photos already taken and attached to poems: last week, 22 years on, I went back to Radcliffe (north of Manchester), where the scenic route from my ex-home to my ex-work was actually the shortest way on foot; I used to take notes which I eventually turned into "Following the Sun"

Subject: RE: BS: WAV with Pics
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 16 May 22 - 08:43 AM

Having added photos in 2017 & 2018, I returned to "Liverpool" last year, as I'd forgotten about the art gallery mentioned in my poem; I also keep contributing photos to Google Maps and, for what it's worth, the one of Walker Art Gallery's statues has nigh on a million views, and still tops the list of photos there.

Subject: RE: BS: WAV with Pics
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 15 May 22 - 10:23 AM

And "Within Chester Cathedral's Cloisters"

Subject: RE: BS: WAV with Pics
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 13 May 22 - 12:11 PM

My brief poem, with lots of pics, "On York and Chester" - including the huge Railway Museum in York, where one could probably spend a month and not spot everything.

Subject: RE: BS: WAV with Pics
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 09 May 22 - 04:55 PM

No poem about it, D., but I once stayed (as many locals do for an even comfortable temperature all year round) in an underground backpackers at Coober Pedy - which, as you may know, is a town in South Australia famous for opal mining.

Subject: RE: BS: WAV with Pics
From: Donuel
Date: 09 May 22 - 04:37 PM

You could walkabout the wooly mammoth graveyard in southern england.
I wonder if opal has ever been mined in england.

Subject: RE: BS: WAV with Pics
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 09 May 22 - 03:38 PM

Catching up, after the above return to Moses Gate, last year I also went back with my bridge-camera to York, Chester, Liverpool, and Hamilton Road Park (between Manchester and Bury) for my poem on "Sunday Cricket and Berries"

Subject: RE: BS: WAV with Pics
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 05 May 22 - 02:35 PM

From a revisit last week, my poem on, again in Lancashire, "Warrington Museum and Library"
; and, among the added photos, you will see that, quite rightly, Cromwell's olde lodge (about 10 minutes walk from the museum) is in far better nick than that of his royalist rival!

Subject: RE: BS: WAV with Pics
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 04 May 22 - 10:48 AM

Yes, Donuel - although I slightly prefer raspberry jam.

To use a bit of local vernacular, silk has certainly been the mother of all threads for us humans (some say the Silk Road from China actually ends in Macclesfield), but I have also seen birds nick spider webs for their nest.

Subject: RE: BS: WAV with Pics
From: Donuel
Date: 03 May 22 - 07:48 PM

100 yeqrs ago thousands of mulberry trees were planted in my neck of the woods for a noveaux silk trade. The winters proved too harsh but the trees are delicious.

Subject: RE: BS: WAV with Pics
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 03 May 22 - 05:51 PM

A month ago, I returned to the Silk Museum in Macclesfield, Cheshire, to add some photos to the poem I wrote from my first visit, 21 years earlier, and learnt about ahimsa/peace silk - "Macclesfield's Mulberry Tree"

Subject: RE: BS: WAV with Pics
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 01 Jul 21 - 04:35 PM

As you may know, whereas in London there are excellent parks in the centre, in Manchester we have to go a bit further out, as I did with my camera yesterday (a couple of decades since my first visit) to "Moses Gate"

Subject: RE: BS: WAV with Pics
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 27 Jun 21 - 05:07 PM

...maybe a bit like Edwin Waugh..? I didn't attempt dialect poetry myself, but I do like his trad imagery in "Poems and Songs of Old Lancashire".

Subject: RE: BS: WAV with Pics
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 27 Jun 21 - 01:09 PM

I think there is a lot of imagery you would like. "Coal Hole Cavalry" for instance is from the point of view of a child in bed listening to the sound of clogs on cobbles and picturing it was the cavalry coming to the rescue :-)

Subject: RE: BS: WAV with Pics
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 26 Jun 21 - 01:28 PM

Had a look thanks, Dave - I'm still not familiar with him and those songs, probably partly as I'd moved to Newcastle by then, and only got into folk after attending the Morpeth Northumbrian Gathering from there.

Subject: RE: BS: WAV with Pics
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 26 Jun 21 - 12:58 PM

Here is a Mudcat thread, WAV


Ted Edwards and cronies

Good a place as any to start :-)

Subject: RE: BS: WAV with Pics
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 26 Jun 21 - 05:04 AM

I couldn't find any of his poetry on the web, sorry Dave, but, for what it's worth, did read a lot from English anthologies before, and as, I started my collection, which I ended in 2003.

Subject: RE: BS: WAV with Pics
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 25 Jun 21 - 09:11 AM

My first job was with WUDC - Worsley Urban District Council. Known by us as Working Under Difficult Conditions :-)

Then, one day in April 1974, I went to bed in Swinton, Lancashire, working for Worsley Council and woke up the next day in Salford, Greater Manchester and working for the Salford City Council. I didn't even notice! Still, I suppose the new Salford metropolitan area was nothing new after all. The Hundred of Salford, which encompassed the whole new area and much more, had Anglo-Saxon origins.

Incidentally, a friend I used to see regularly until his stroke laid him low and I moved out of the area was Ted Edwards. He wrote some of the finest songs and poems known to the folk world from his Eccles flat! Look up some of his work for inspiration :-)

Subject: RE: BS: WAV with Pics
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 24 Jun 21 - 05:19 AM

Donuel & a musical bird on a wire on a Saturday night...quite a sight!