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Folk harper on Shamrock Singers CD?

Helen 29 May 19 - 08:16 PM
Bonnie Shaljean 29 May 19 - 08:42 PM
Helen 29 May 19 - 08:47 PM
Bonnie Shaljean 29 May 19 - 10:23 PM
GUEST 30 May 19 - 09:48 AM
Helen 30 May 19 - 05:11 PM
Mick Pearce (MCP) 30 May 19 - 05:41 PM
Bonnie Shaljean 30 May 19 - 07:51 PM
Helen 30 May 19 - 08:21 PM
Bonnie Shaljean 30 May 19 - 10:37 PM
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Subject: Folk harper on Shamrock Singers CD?
From: Helen
Date: 29 May 19 - 08:16 PM

Hi all,

I was given some CD's by a friend after an elderly lady she knew passed away. It was a fairly eclectic mix of CD's with a few Irish and Welsh ones included. One of the CD's is called Celtic Folk Harp - 34 Traditional Favourites . It has the brand "celtic gold" on it, and 1998 V & H Holdings Pty Ltd. No sleeve notes, no musician name, no credits for anything. When I did a Google search a few sites credit it to a group called The Shamrock Singers. Now normally Mr/s Google is quite forthcoming with further information as required, but I can find no name for the harper on this CD.

When I first listened to the CD, I was initially operating on the strategy of "keep your expectations low and you won't be disappointed" but I am very pleasantly surprised about the skill and musical ability of the harper and I think it is a crying shame that s/he is receiving no credit for that.

The Amazon entry has this intriguing note: "This product is manufactured on demand when ordered from Amazon.com" and there is no information about a group called The Shamrock Singers when I click on the name link.

I think this is one CD in a series of CD's of mostly popularised Irish songs like "I'll Take You Home Again Kathleen" which are not my cup of tea at all, but I am impressed with the quality of the harper's playing. In some instances it reminds me of Derek Bell's interpretations, although not to his excellent standard perhaps. Some of my all time favourite tunes are included on the CD: The Harp That Once Through Tara's Halls, David of the White Rock, one the Bridget Cruise airs by O'Carolan (although with the mispelled track title of "Bridget's Cruis") and a few of his other tunes. Definitely not a popularised selection of well known Irish harp tunes.

Does anyone here have more information on who the harper might be, or on The Shamrock Singers? I'm really curious as to the reason why these musicians are not being credited for their performances.

I suppose mass market CD's get away with this all the time but when I hear a good musician and cannot track down her/his other products I think that is not helping the musician at all.


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Subject: RE: Folk harper on Shamrock Singers CD?
From: Bonnie Shaljean
Date: 29 May 19 - 08:42 PM

I’m not having any luck either. In search of alternatives to Amazon, I also found it on Allmusic and in the Apple Store - but absolutely zilch in the way of information. And Apple threw me a popup which said if I wanted to buy this CD, I could only get it from their Papua New Guinea store. One of the Allmusic titles for “Shamrock Singers” was marked Origin: Germany. Talk about mass-marketing!


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Subject: RE: Folk harper on Shamrock Singers CD?
From: Helen
Date: 29 May 19 - 08:47 PM

Hi Bonnie, when I saw you respond to this thread I had this terrible thought that you could be the uncredited harper.

Someone is missing out on the credit for this music and I don't think that that is fair.

There are short samples of the tracks on Amazon if you want to listen to some of it.


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Subject: RE: Folk harper on Shamrock Singers CD?
From: Bonnie Shaljean
Date: 29 May 19 - 10:23 PM

I have! Don’t know who it is, I’m afraid.


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Subject: RE: Folk harper on Shamrock Singers CD?
From: GUEST
Date: 30 May 19 - 09:48 AM

Most of it is on youtube


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Subject: RE: Folk harper on Shamrock Singers CD?
From: Helen
Date: 30 May 19 - 05:11 PM

Thanks Guest. I thought I found it on YouTube and then when I created this thread I couldn't find it.


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Subject: RE: Folk harper on Shamrock Singers CD?
From: Mick Pearce (MCP)
Date: 30 May 19 - 05:41 PM

What seems to be the same album (based on tracks): Celtic Folk Harp - Traditional Favourites is credited to Various Artists and Patrick Moloney.


Mick


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Subject: RE: Folk harper on Shamrock Singers CD?
From: Bonnie Shaljean
Date: 30 May 19 - 07:51 PM

Think you got it, Mick. It’s here too:

https://www.deezer.com/en/album/43726471


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Subject: RE: Folk harper on Shamrock Singers CD?
From: Helen
Date: 30 May 19 - 08:21 PM

So does anyone know anything about a harper named Patrick Moloney? I tried Googling him with the word "harp" but no luck. Paddy Moloney from The Chieftains does not play harp, as far as I know.

Listening to the whole CD, I would be prepared to bet that the harper for all the tracks is the same person, and it is all solo harp. There are no other instruments on any of the tracks.

I'm beginning to suspect that the CD company may have published the CD's on their list without acknowledging the artists and therefore without paying them for their expertise. I might be wrong but it looks suspicious to me.


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Subject: RE: Folk harper on Shamrock Singers CD?
From: Bonnie Shaljean
Date: 30 May 19 - 10:37 PM

You may be right - “Shamrock Singers” brings up a huge variety of stuff: clearly a catch-all name for assorted artists. And I found no singing on this album. Hmmmm...


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