BS: Conservative Leadership Contest

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 22 Jun 19 - 07:21 AM

Prescott also mixed it with a man as large as himself. He did not attack a woman.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 22 Jun 19 - 07:59 AM

If Labour still had old fashioned working class politicians like basher Presott,
so many supporters might not have departed for ukip,
or now not bothering to vote at all...

To be honest, I was wondering why it took Iains so long to do a 'what about him' about him...????

Iains - are you alright mate...???

You don't seem quite all there this weekend...

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 22 Jun 19 - 08:10 AM

It's all getting rather boring don't you think!

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: Stanron
Date: 22 Jun 19 - 08:38 AM

The Labour loves Labour love-in on this forum has always been boring.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: DMcG
Date: 22 Jun 19 - 08:47 AM

When it comes to bread and circuses, I am on the side of bread. The primary purpose of politics is not to stop people being bored.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 22 Jun 19 - 10:51 AM

So the inevitable tory defence tactic...

Blaming the couple who recorded evidence and called the police as 'lefties with a grudge'...

How soon now before they start receiving death threats from tory trolls...???

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 22 Jun 19 - 11:15 AM

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-police-altercation-home-carrie-symonds-tory-leader-a8969996.html


Good luck if this link opens in your computer.
Might be a subscription / pay wall...???

But it opened with no problems on my phone.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 22 Jun 19 - 11:46 AM

Ok.. so it seems the problem here is that the Idiotpendent don't like my ad-blocker,
so clumsily crashed Chrome browser and froze my PC for over 10 minutes..

But it works no problems in Chrome on my android phone...

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 22 Jun 19 - 12:24 PM

Hunt has got mad eyes.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 22 Jun 19 - 01:23 PM

Damage limitation control in full swing..

AS if Boz's support camp weren't already pre-prepared and drilled to cope with a full list of his potential eff ups...

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 22 Jun 19 - 02:44 PM

It was ever thus, PFR. The mainstay of the brexitaliban is that Europe is "the enemy". We beat the Germans in two world wars, therefore we can never be partners with them. Never mind that we were allied with the French and Belgians and Dutch for those conflicts. We have always been at war with part of Europe (except maybe Portugal?) so it must be their fault. Sick, sick, sick puppies.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 22 Jun 19 - 02:49 PM

Anyway, we're just waiting in line for our turn
for Trump to declare war on us,
in his crusade to eliminate anywhere not the USA......

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 22 Jun 19 - 03:31 PM

Being the reasonable objective chap I am..
I'll back-track a little..

Trump would probably restrain from threatening to eliminate us..
He'd only want to dominate us - as a prize posession in his empire...

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 22 Jun 19 - 03:33 PM

Boris would be the equivalent of a tame tribal Briton cheiftain, loyal to Caesar...

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: Stanron
Date: 22 Jun 19 - 06:37 PM

If J Hunt becomes PM I will never vote Tory again. Look at the body language. He looks like a guilty child.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 22 Jun 19 - 07:59 PM

Is it too late for tories to offer Farage or Tommy Robinson the job...???

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 23 Jun 19 - 05:31 AM

To be a little more precise, the EU is ending the secondment arrangements for 14 military bureaucrats, just as you'd expect post-brexit. Just sayin'. If anyone else here wants to delude themselves, just keep reading the Daily Express.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: Raggytash
Date: 23 Jun 19 - 05:52 AM

Even those 14 will be reviewed on a case by case basis. However that is at the bottom of the page perhaps someone didn't read that far down.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: Stanron
Date: 23 Jun 19 - 06:31 AM

It didn't surprise me at all that the concerned neighbour was a lefty. That was my first suspicion.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 23 Jun 19 - 06:39 AM

What on earth has a person's political leanings got to do with reporting anti-social behaviour or being concerned for the safety of a neighbour? Unless you are saying you suspected it was a "lefty" because you know that you Tories couldn't give a toss about anyone but yourselves.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 23 Jun 19 - 07:49 AM

When Boris has got a policemann standing at the door, no 11 won't need to call the cops out.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 23 Jun 19 - 09:38 AM

Time to learn survivalist skills, stock up, and go off grid...???

In escalating crisis times like this I regret not joining the army when I was younger
and learning how to kill with my bare hands..

How long before the late night knock at the door...

"We have reason to believe you voted remain, please come quietly with us, now..."

Brexiteer Militias are already prepping to take control...


What we need now is a space alien invasion
to bring us all back together on the same side
against a more immediately theatening common enemy...

"who do you think you are kidding mr space alien.. etc..."

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 23 Jun 19 - 10:22 AM

Actually,, now I think about it, I've not read Viz comic for nearly 20 years..
I wonder what their current prevailing politics are this last 3 or 4 years...???


[i've momentarily forgotten the big word for a media publication's overall political position..??? bugger it..}

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 23 Jun 19 - 10:34 AM

I read the Guardian (and watch the telly and listen to the wireless and go on news websites, etc) to find out wot's 'appenin', that's all. Some of the columnists get on my nerves, but at least the paper invites comment from a wide spectrum of contributors. If you choose not to try to find out wot's 'appenin' from lots of sources you won't properly find out wot's 'appenin' at all.The Express piece linked to earlier displayed a classic piece of tabloid spin to make it look like the EU was booting the whole army out of Europe. The tabloids and the quasi-criminal who runs Guido Fawkes merely tell already-believers what they want to hear.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 23 Jun 19 - 10:54 AM

A fair bit above now, sorry, I meant Boris (after he tossed his coin or suchlike) is for leaving the EU/the "enemy" of those who wish to stay. No nation is my enemy - I strongly believe in the English nation AND the United Nations with travel and fair trade (not conquest and immigration) between them.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 23 Jun 19 - 12:07 PM

Time wasted writing here.. and big gaps that make no sense..
We Brits are made of sterner stuff and can cope with robust disagreements and antagonistic banter..
But mollycoddling mods knows best...

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 23 Jun 19 - 12:08 PM

Rather, PFR, I'll add a bit: apart from their local government, all any citizen of our world needs is their own nation and the United Nations - no G7, Commonwealth, African Union, European Union or other such clubs. All nations sitting around a United Nations table is surely the best possible way.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 23 Jun 19 - 01:07 PM

Walkabout - well there's at least a case to be made for cutting back on the exhorbitant expanding costs
of parasitic self serving international beaurocracy...

Few would disagree on that...

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 23 Jun 19 - 01:20 PM

...and I also question the argument of some Remainers that we need the EU to counter American influence: as I suggested in this poem - "There Is A UN" - it could not get much worse in terms of the US acting like the UN, and the BBC and other media here going along with that...who is the Leader of the UN just now..?

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 23 Jun 19 - 01:32 PM

I disagree, PFR. There are robust disagreements and antagonistic banter and then again there is out and out trolling. The moderation team know the difference and do a stalwart job of eliminating the latter. Let's make their job easier by not responding to the trolls eh?

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 23 Jun 19 - 01:44 PM

Walkabout

All nations sitting around a United Nations table is surely the best possible way

I agree wholeheartedly but while the big 5 have the UN by the short and curlies it can never work. Absolutely FA to do with the topic though and a good example of how the trolls can derail a discussion.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 23 Jun 19 - 01:44 PM

Seconded, Dave.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 23 Jun 19 - 01:51 PM

DtG - but that don't make me any happier that I wasted hours carfully constructing and writing posts
to positively counter said trolling;
which have also been arbitrarily deleted...

I'm not a fast over prolific writer like others here..
My posts take up too much time commiting to typing..


Now ok, I learnt to give up moaning about mod deletions years ago..

But today's censorship has just pissed me off...
That was time wasted on a weekend, I could have been doing something more useful with the mrs...

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 23 Jun 19 - 01:54 PM

DtG/BWM - ..and you can call whoever you like a 'troll',
but I'll decide for myself who I respond to, thank you...

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 23 Jun 19 - 01:58 PM

I have my own views on the effectiveness of 'safe spacing',
and an opinion on mudcatters, left or right, who petition mods to delete posts...

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 23 Jun 19 - 02:10 PM

”DtG/BWM - ..and you can call whoever you like a 'troll',
but I'll decide for myself who I respond to, thank you...”

That’s fine by me pfr, it’s your right to choose to ignore good, sensible advice.

Just don’t waste bandwidth and disk-space on the Mudcat servers by pissing, moaning, and bellyaching when the Mods delete Troll’s posts together with those by people who encourage the Trolls by responding to them.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 23 Jun 19 - 02:13 PM

Iains - now don't start thinking we are forming an alliance..

but there are alternative voices on the left
getting fed up with
our more control freak and censorship inclined comrades...

That's why YOU need to understand the left is not just the one dimensional cartoon figures
of your [and the tory/brexit/ukip/ etc party's] paranoid prejudices...

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 23 Jun 19 - 02:15 PM

BWM - I'll let that slip, but it's best not to patronise me...

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 23 Jun 19 - 02:17 PM

but I'll decide for myself who I respond to, thank you

Of course you will, PFR. That is your right. But I would draw your attention to the recommendations from the Mudcat faq and newcomers guide

I've said it before, and I'm sure I'll say it many times more: the best way to deal with both flamers and trolls is to ignore them. Give them silence, and they'll go away. They feed on attention - don't give it to them.

Now, it is entirely up to you whether you heed that advice but may I suggest that having a go at those that do is not a good idea. Nor is having a go at the mods for doing their (unpaid and unappreciated) job. I am as much a rebel as you and agree that bars do need to be rattled at times. But, when in Rome etc. We are all guests in Mac's house here. Let us respect him.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 23 Jun 19 - 02:26 PM

I will break a personal rule and respond to Iains's nonsense to highlight that his pointing out that my post that he refers to:

From: Dave the Gnome - PM
Date: 22 Jun 19 - 02:44 PM

no longer exists. I have no idea what it said but if it had been deleted, then fair enough. The premise is that only right wing posts are removed. He has proved that this is patently unrue.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 23 Jun 19 - 02:43 PM

DtG - In my obvious pissed offedness..
that is also what I am making clear to him,
and anyone else daft enought to be reading this thread...

Fom now on I should only post comments about fluffy kitttens and baby bunnies...???

Anyway, I'm off for fish n chips and good after dinner kip during a movie..

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 23 Jun 19 - 02:46 PM

”BWM - I'll let that slip, but it's best not to patronise me...”

But I don’t let threats slip, pfr - not in real life, and definitely not on an Internet forum. My advice is to cool it, get back in bed, and get out on the right side.

By turning on those who are your friends, you’re giving the Right-Wing Extremist Troll precisely what he’s looking for.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 23 Jun 19 - 02:50 PM

I should only post comments about fluffy kitttens and baby bunnies

No, no and a thousand times no. Post interesting, decisive and even offensive stuff. Just remember that there are people on here who are just pulling your strings and getting off on it. Don't let them!

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 23 Jun 19 - 02:50 PM

oh.. before i go.. just off topic...

I recieved a surprise PM from a much loved and respected good guy mudcatter
asking if I knew anything about Jim.
Apparently he's disapeared from mudcat...???
A sugestion arose one of us could start a discreet thread
inquiring if anyone knows if there's any problems...

Fingers crossed Jim's ok...

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 23 Jun 19 - 02:52 PM

DtG - nobody pulls mine unless I let 'em for my own enjoyment...

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 23 Jun 19 - 02:56 PM

BWM - I certainly don't want any fallings out..
we've all been cooped up here together for too long...
I never threatened anyone, I merely said don't patronise me...
that rubs me up the wrong way...

You seem too certain your position is right and mine is wrong...

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 23 Jun 19 - 03:09 PM

I hope you are right, PFR, but it is sometimes difficult to see when someone is just winding you up.

As to Jim, he is pissed off that Muscat and its members are, in his opinion, ruining English Folk music. I disagree with him but, like you, it is his prerogative to react in the way he deems fit. Feel free to start a "discreet thread" but I don't think he will thank you for it.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 23 Jun 19 - 03:23 PM

Btw - check your PMs

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 23 Jun 19 - 03:25 PM

Not at all. As I said, you are free to do as you wish and respond to anyone you choose, but don’t complain when Troll posts, and those of people who respond to Troll posts, are removed by the Mods. It’s their forum, not yours or mine.

As regards your claim that you ‘never threatened anyone’...

“Thank you for your well-meant advice, but I prefer to follow my own course...” would have been a perfectly acceptable, non-challenging response, which I would accept without demur.

“I’ll let that slip, but it’s best not to patronise me...” suggests consequences, therefore it’s a threat.

I’m happy to disagree with anyone, and I don’t wish to fall out with those whose contributions here I enjoy and who I generally feel a kinship with, but I don’t threaten people - not even Right-Wing Extremists - and I won’t accept threats. Not from anyone.

Now...shall we resume Normal Service? ;-)

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 23 Jun 19 - 03:26 PM

DtG - That sounds more like it..
As long as he's keeping well...

I definitely don't think I'm the right person to open such a thread..
I'm guessing the mudcatter who PMd me doesn't think he should start the thread either..


Jim's most recent post was about a fortnight ago..
Maybe a more diplomatic catter who knows him in real life could give him a call..