BS: Conservative Leadership Contest

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Leadership Contest
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 26 Jul 19 - 08:23 AM

Thirded
Jim

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Leadership Contest
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 26 Jul 19 - 07:48 AM

”But surely this thread should have reached the end because the contest is over? We should be either on the Brexit thread or some new one about life after the contest.”

Seconded.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Leadership Contest
From: DMcG
Date: 26 Jul 19 - 07:10 AM

I wrote a long spiel about IP addresses, DHCP leasing, and NAT (which means the IP address as seen by that link may not match the one your phone claims it is) but abandoned on the grounds it has nothing to do with the leadership contest.

But surely this thread should have reached the end because the contest is over? We should be either on the Brexit thread or some new one about life after the contest.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Leadership Contest
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 26 Jul 19 - 07:00 AM

I and many others know you are correct, Steve. No need to pander to the nonsense put up to derail the arguments. For what it is worth, it is very simple to get someone's IP address by inviting them to click a link. But anyone clever enough to lick Farage's arse, hero worship a convicted criminal or pick fights with site admins would be too clever to do that. Wouldn't they? ;-)

Of course they may not have a static IP or they may go via a VPN. We don't know which method is being used in this case but either is indicative of someone covering their tracks.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Leadership Contest
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 26 Jul 19 - 06:17 AM

I tend to agree with Peter
These arguments are unnecessarily spread over a number of threads which are related
It has happend with US politics whan the situations have risen, but it might be a good idea to put more eggs in one basket
Gook luck with your trying to reason with that one Steve - pissing against a mindless hurricane, I would have thought
Jim

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Leadership Contest
From: Iains
Date: 26 Jul 19 - 05:59 AM

I think there are many posting here that have a problem accepting:
the referendum result where leave won
where an overwhelming majority of MPs voted for article 50
Where both major parties fought an election on a leave ticket
This has meant that those people trying to carry out the democratic will of the majority are castigated, insulted and belittled by the majority posting here.
Sure you can ban people that do not toe YOUR line but the underlying reality does not alter.
It seems the leftards here would prefer to hide the truth and rely on escapism in their socialist bubble.
You are not interested in discussion,
All you want to do is sit in a circle and slap each other on the back in a mutual appreciation society.

More of the same - no debate, just torrents of mindless propaganda
Everything I post is factual, backed by links that can be checked. Would that the same could be said for many posting here!

propaganda.
    information, especially of a biased or misleading nature, used to promote a political cause or point of view.
Fact
A fact is a thing that is known to be consistent with objective reality and can be proven to be true with evidence.

I look forward to being provided with examples of my propaganda

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Leadership Contest
From: peteglasgow
Date: 26 Jul 19 - 05:21 AM

as there are usually just 2/3 UK 'political' threads going on on this site, would it be possible for the mods to block any poster from contributing to one of them? Or two? they would be free to post on other sites, of course, but it would be a pleasure for the rest of us if there were at least one place where we could have a reasonable conversation without frequent objectionable posts.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Leadership Contest
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 26 Jul 19 - 04:48 AM

The phone that can do all that dredging for bias-confirming bilge then post the bilge here over thousands of posts, do all the other things wot he does online wot are unconnected to Mudcat, yet survive five years, has yet to be invented. More bullshite.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Leadership Contest
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 26 Jul 19 - 03:34 AM

For someone who claims to be well versed in technology I find it surprising that they believe that their IP address is tied to their device. Then again, this is also someone who thinks BoJo is a good leader, Farage could be PM and that threatening the moderation team is a good idea.

I think most people have sussed him already, Steve. If he is the best that the right can offer we would have nothing to worry about. Unfortunately his puppet masters are somewhat more cunning.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Leadership Contest
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 25 Jul 19 - 05:23 PM

With BoJo the clown, the Orange idiot and the nicotine stained man-frog as heroes, he has enough problems. Best just left alone.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Leadership Contest
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 25 Jul 19 - 05:03 PM

" it's become obvious that you're a plant."
He certainly has the IQ of a cabbage
Can't really imagine anybody as stupid as to pay him for doing what he does
Mind you - with the right wingers, ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Leadership Contest
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 25 Jul 19 - 02:06 PM

Johnson demolished by

LBC Listener

A 16 year old

Andrew Neil

His own party


You have to love the guy. The buffoon that keeps on giving...

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Leadership Contest
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 25 Jul 19 - 02:00 PM

"What's the record so far for the fewest days as PM...???"
I suspect it my be one for the shortest Government
The fact that our resident unimaginative blog repeater can only come up with the same old-same-old criminal paid propagandist and his slightly more intelligent pair of fellow Tories do runners whenever you ask them to justify this sick-joke of a Government is indicative enough that there ain't too much good news to be had on the Brexit front
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Leadership Contest
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 25 Jul 19 - 01:45 PM

What's the record so far for the fewest days as PM...???

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Leadership Contest
From: Iains
Date: 25 Jul 19 - 12:21 PM

Well today at PM's question time poor compo was owned bigtime.
I must thank Guido Fawkes for bringing it to my attention. 'twas a joy to behold.

https://order-order.com/2019/07/25/boris-destroys-corbyn-seven-minutes/
all in glorious technicolour so even the most diehard remainiacs cannot deny it,
The sunny uplands are a positive cornucopia of joy! I might even forgo the popcorn.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Leadership Contest
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 25 Jul 19 - 09:34 AM

"What is old compo offering?"

In the face of this unsurprising and long anticipated right wing coup,
it is time for Corbyn to transform the Labour Party into a real united strength in opposition
by disciplining or expelling
the most divisive, disruptive, and destabilising MPs and oficials
within the party...

This necessary exertion of authority is exasperatingly overdue,
and will be a test of Corbyn's ability to lead
a truly effective fight back against the gloating and entrenched hard right in UK politics..

.. before it's too late for all of us...

Basically, Corbyn must get tough on his enemies within the Labour party,
before he can even try to beat the tories..
His successor must learn from Corbyn's mistakes of being too soft on the malignant detractors inside Labour...

There are plenty enough good positive grass roots activists ready and able to replace
the old guard of hack self serving politicians clinging onto power in the Labour party.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Leadership Contest
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 25 Jul 19 - 07:42 AM

Unlike yours, however, Stanron, mine had content.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Leadership Contest
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 25 Jul 19 - 07:30 AM

"Tory the party with clear leadership, clear goals and incisive government,"
In your dreams
HORSE'S MOUTH DESCRIPTION
Clear ledaership - Parliamentary dictatorship by a clown-like moron who isn't even taken seriously by his own supporters

Work and Pensions Secretary
Ms Rudd is remaining in the same job after the reshuffle. During the 2016 EU referendum she famously declared that now Prime Minister Mr Johnson might be great fun at a party, but she wouldn’t want him driving her home at the end of the night.

BRITAIN'S GLORIOUS NEW LEADER - SCREW BRITANNIA

The Tories didn't have a Brexit policy before the referendum - the decisions was made on a 'ducking for apples' basis
Common sense would be to ask the electorate to confirm their decision now they have seen the consequences
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Leadership Contest
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 25 Jul 19 - 06:30 AM

"Once again, in pursuit of petty point scoring, "
As you did with your taking up my typos - which I did in response to Iaian's doing so - and so ad infinitum
And once again you refuse to acknoledge, let along explain the appalling mess your party is making to the Disunited Kingdom
Don't you care what a laughing stock you are making of Britain and its people?
One presumes not
You ought to be ashamed of yourselves - the whole sorry pack of you
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Leadership Contest
From: Stanron
Date: 25 Jul 19 - 06:23 AM

Steve Shaw wrote: Yet you still managed to misspell his surname. And "someone" is one word, not two. Gosh, I love this stuff...

Once again, in pursuit of petty point scoring, Steve Shaw misses, or avoids, the point of the posting.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Leadership Contest
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 25 Jul 19 - 05:47 AM

From Mike Harding on FaceBook today...

”The Circus is coming to a town near you very, very soon. Bannon is the Ring Meister and The Clown is his best boy - at present filling his cabinet with "useful idiots". Don't be fooled - this is a right wing coup. Your NHS will go, the schools, (but not the public schools) already part privatised will be completely turned into "academies" and "free schools" over which you no longer have any say or control. The Clown will spend more on the police - but only so The Circus can keep you well under control. And from across the pond, The Trumpster smiles down at his new best friend. 3 yrs ago I said Brexit was a coup and now the ring is almost closed, the lights are going on in the tent and soon the show will begin.”

Dangerous times, very dangerous indeed...

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Leadership Contest
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 25 Jul 19 - 05:03 AM

"Thankfully, it won't last."
Johnson's purging of the moderates inn his party is being compared to OPERATION HUMMINGBIRD in this morning's press
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Leadership Contest
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 25 Jul 19 - 03:38 AM

Not a practice that I usually indulge in Stanley (I am totally aware of my own failings)- but in the case of this particularly unpleasant individual, I am happy to make an exception
He uses typos as you have just used my comments on them - to avoid having to respond to the totally undemocratic and dangerous minefield that you and have turned Britain into with your extremist shenanigans
Thank you for living up to my expectations - I have little doubt that there is more to come
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Leadership Contest
From: Stanron
Date: 25 Jul 19 - 03:21 AM

Jim Carroll wrote: "Iron Ladies"
Lady's - surely - as you consider typos so important
Rule number one - never post after closing time

Joy of all joys. Jim Carrol criticises some one else's typos!

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Leadership Contest
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 25 Jul 19 - 03:00 AM

A lengthy, but very interesting piece from The New Statesman sums up the entire Bozo the Buffoon debacle very well.

We live in dangerous times, very dangerous indeed.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Leadership Contest
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 25 Jul 19 - 02:52 AM

"Iron Ladies"
Lady's - surely - as you consider typos so important
Rule number one - never post after closing time

Bojo the Clown and Mad Maggie - a dream team made in the deepest reaches of Hell, when you recal her particular deadly take on democracy

NICE SUMMING UP OF TORY DEMOCRACY HERE though I have little doubt it will be met by the stream of bully abuse that is ususally the Tory responce to such home truths, which only serves to underline their accuracy, of course.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Leadership Contest
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 24 Jul 19 - 01:47 PM

"Did you miss the party?"
Didn't say when the link was from - wouldn't have gone yo the party for fear of sitting on spilt wine and beaten-up girlfriends (seems his style)
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Leadership Contest
From: Raggytash
Date: 24 Jul 19 - 11:08 AM

Fact: He didn't take office until today.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Leadership Contest
From: Iains
Date: 24 Jul 19 - 11:05 AM

BORIS TAKES OFFICE.

Most of us understood that yesterday. Did you miss the party?

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Leadership Contest
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 24 Jul 19 - 09:32 AM

BORIS TAKES OFFICE
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Leadership Contest
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 24 Jul 19 - 09:32 AM

BORIS TAKES OFFICE
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Leadership Contest
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 24 Jul 19 - 09:30 AM

Now Boris is in control.. it'll more likely be the United Kinkdom...

Fetish gear shops will thrive under a new old etonian tory regime...

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Leadership Contest
From: Mossback
Date: 24 Jul 19 - 09:12 AM

God save the United Kingston.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Leadership Contest
From: robomatic
Date: 23 Jul 19 - 08:31 PM

Hey guys, want to borrow our Constitution. Ours is written down but we don't seem to be doing much with it nowadays!

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Leadership Contest
From: DMcG
Date: 23 Jul 19 - 04:58 PM

Boris Johnson certainly wants the position and the prestige, but based on the evidence over the years, he is far happier as a performer than actually doing anything. He is often said to be uninterested in detail, so he will leave that to his underlings.

So I think we need to be rather more concerned with where Priti Patel , Liz Truss, Raab and one or two others end up, rather than Boris as PM as such.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Leadership Contest
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 23 Jul 19 - 04:52 PM

Oh dear, it doesn’t seem to be starting very well for The Downing Street Clown.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Leadership Contest
From: robomatic
Date: 23 Jul 19 - 04:38 PM

We get BBC through the Alaska night and sometimes I wake up with her Majesty's radio service moaning in my ears. This morning they were trying to capture the announcement of the 'election' live, but it came a few minutes too late. And, a few minutes later I did hear Boris cheerfully addressing his party and asking if they were even 'remotely' daunted. I can't see y'all on the eastern side of the pond, but I'm going ahead and saying I think many of you ARE 'remotely daunted'.

GOOD LUCK. The ocean has a bookend of buffoons.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Leadership Contest
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 23 Jul 19 - 01:37 PM

‘Take Back Control’
Not unlike 'Make America Great Again' and pretty much out of the same stable
Murdoch's Tory bum-wipe Times predicted Johnson's winning this morning as a pair of clown' feet entering Number Ten and in the clips half an hour ago he comes over as a fast-talking stand up comedian
The next few weeks will be interesting
At least Maggie could hat a new haird and a makeover
Hard to know what a leader whose nickname (BoJo) screams "clown", can do to be taken seriously
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Leadership Contest
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 23 Jul 19 - 01:14 PM

There is an element of karma in the fact that the Bollock-Brain whose meaningless ‘Take Back Control’ and £350 million lie on the red bus dropped us into the Brexit Shit-pile will finally have to grow a pair of balls and take responsibility for making it happen.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Leadership Contest
From: DMcG
Date: 23 Jul 19 - 11:54 AM

but the U.K. has never wielded less power on the world stage"
You (and Haaretz) could be right. But that is the position that he finds himself in, following on from Theresa May. Whether he will be able to turn that position around, or will allow it to deteriorate, is another matter, and remains to be seen.

That does sound rather like an attempt to blame Teresa May for everything that may go wrong. But it is certainly not the case for Brexit, because we have heard many times "Nothing is agreed until everything is agreed." So if there is an agreement, it will be Johnson who agrees to it, however much May was involved in drafting it. It is his responsibility for whatever arises from any deal he accepts. not hers.

No deal is marginally less clear, because part of the problems that "may" arise (to use Nigel's formulation) are due to our being woefully under prepared. May does take some blame for this, but since Boris Johnson assures yet again how low the level of pain will be, he would not be able to blame her for lack of preparation with any credibility, in my opinion.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Leadership Contest
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 23 Jul 19 - 11:50 AM

As for Boris being a leader to live with.. not yet...

There's still a fair possibility he may celebrate too hard tonight
and end up being arrested, or suffering a bizarre inebriated accident...

He should definitely stay away from binbags and oranges - that old posh tory favourite peccadillo...

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Leadership Contest
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 23 Jul 19 - 11:41 AM

..as long as both topple over into the dark abyss of the arse crack..

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Leadership Contest
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 23 Jul 19 - 11:28 AM

Trump and Johnson: two cheeks of the same unwashed arse...

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Leadership Contest
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 23 Jul 19 - 11:21 AM

Just like Trump, those who were able to vote knew what his weaknesses are (many and varied) and voted for him anyway. It's time for a song. How about The World Turned Upside Down.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Leadership Contest
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 23 Jul 19 - 11:19 AM

but the U.K. has never wielded less power on the world stage"
You (and Haaretz) could be right. But that is the position that he finds himself in, following on from Theresa May. Whether he will be able to turn that position around, or will allow it to deteriorate, is another matter, and remains to be seen.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Leadership Contest
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 23 Jul 19 - 10:49 AM

Nice summing up from Haaretz just now
"Analysis Boris Johnson Will Be the Weakest British Leader Ever
The Conservative politician may be the most pro-Israel prime minister in history, but the U.K. has never wielded less power on the world stage"
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Leadership Contest
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 23 Jul 19 - 10:41 AM

..and the award for smug middlebrow clichés of the day goes to...

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Leadership Contest
From: Iains
Date: 23 Jul 19 - 10:36 AM

Well no surprises. All hail King Bojo.
What sort of brexit will he deliver I wonder?
or
will he play dangerously? enable a general election? prorogue parliament?

There will be enough hot air expended to quadruple global warming before anything sensible transpires.
I see an abject failure to deliver brexit and a general election sooner rather than later. Not that Labour would welcome such a gift, it would be more a Trojan horse for them. This is a shame because they have an Augean stable already prepared.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Leadership Contest
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 23 Jul 19 - 07:51 AM

I don't know, no doubt his cabinet will consist of bores who will not take their jackets off in hot weather!!! I went to our mp's garden party on Sunday and pissed off a couple of tories by announcing that I would like to see Hilary Benn as PM!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Leadership Contest
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 23 Jul 19 - 07:45 AM

Bonz - he just wants to tick it off his wish list, and have it on his CV...

How long do you give him in the job...???