Glastonbury

Subject: RE: Glastonbury
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 09 Jul 19 - 06:01 PM

My daughter is the Levellers' number one fan. She goes to all their Westcountry gigs and I can assure you that they are still going.

Subject: RE: Glastonbury
From: GUEST,Cj
Date: 09 Jul 19 - 04:52 PM

That's it, Allan. Dressing down is pretty similar to dressing up.

Subject: RE: Glastonbury
From: GUEST,Allan Conn
Date: 09 Jul 19 - 04:28 PM

I remember a couple of decades back this guy saying to me (I was wearing a suit at the time as I was working) that he could never be like me as I was quite cool and ok but "oppressed by wearing a uniform". I suggested he was wearing a uniform too which he scoffed at but then I guessed his favourite band were The Levellers. Because he was not an individual as he claimed to be but was dressed in the typical new age hippy gear. Saying that I like the Levellers but didn't take to someone judging folk by their working clothes ??

Subject: RE: Glastonbury
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 09 Jul 19 - 02:20 PM

God knows, all those centuries and decades on, we could do with some levelling - and English citterns at Glastonbury.

Subject: RE: Glastonbury
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 09 Jul 19 - 07:28 AM

The Levellers had a very loyal fan base.
Lots of my mates in the South West were into them.
[.. ah... memories of crusties and Swampy the mole man protestor..]
We saw them at a festival in Budapest just over 20 years ago,
and the mrs became an immediate CD buying fan..
The local band 3 Daft Monkeys have since followed on and catered to the same new age hippy audience..

Are the Levellers still going in some form...???

Subject: RE: Glastonbury
From: GUEST,Observer
Date: 09 Jul 19 - 06:41 AM

Interesting to note the largest ever crowd to attend was estimated to have been 300,000 for The Levellers - a British folk-rock band.

Subject: RE: Glastonbury
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 08 Jul 19 - 10:58 PM

..and to tie this in with Glastonbury,
oranges are a popular refreshing fruity snack with festival goers...

What they do with the oranges later in the privacy of their own tents is entirely up to them.
well... a lot of the glasto crowd now are public school educated...

Subject: RE: Glastonbury
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 08 Jul 19 - 10:54 PM

Stan - slightly wrong..??

Sorry it's late.. I'd completely forgot the tory penchant for doing it with
oranges in their mouths, plastic bags over their heads, and belts or electrical wiring tight around their necks...

Again apologies, this should be less wrong now.. eh...???

Subject: RE: Glastonbury
From: Stanron
Date: 08 Jul 19 - 10:11 PM

punkfolkrocker wrote: Stan - what...!!!???


If we beat each other up, you're sat there beating yourself off...???

Once again the UK Left charm offensive gets it slightly wrong.

Subject: RE: Glastonbury
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 08 Jul 19 - 07:18 PM

Stan - what...!!!???


If we beat each other up, you're sat there beating yourself off...???

Subject: RE: Glastonbury
From: Stanron
Date: 08 Jul 19 - 06:21 PM

Commiserations TB but I enjoy watching UK lefties beat themselves up.

Subject: RE: Glastonbury
From: Tattie Bogle
Date: 08 Jul 19 - 06:01 PM

Anyone ever started a thread, then wished they hadn't? Suppose I should have predicted which way it would go. Now I've commented again it won't disappear as quickly as it might have.
Haemorrhoids to the lot of you!
Good night (if you can!)

Subject: RE: Glastonbury
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 06 Jul 19 - 04:55 PM

How about a wife sacrificing herself by sitting atop of her husband's piles?

Subject: RE: Glastonbury
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 06 Jul 19 - 04:53 PM

Another good thing was bringing curry to Britain so it is now one of our best loved national dishes...

There's no denying the Victorians achieved some great things,
even if not always for the best, most progressive, or humanitarian reasons...

It also got rid of a lot of annoying god botherers from our island,
when they eagerly buggered off to become missionaries
and target practice for their new congregations...

Subject: RE: Glastonbury
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 06 Jul 19 - 04:34 PM

As I've said, I don't like imperialism but maybe we can all agree one good thing from British imperialism in south Asia was putting an end to sati, where a Hindu widow would sacrifice herself by sitting atop her deceased husband's funeral pyre.

Subject: RE: Glastonbury
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 06 Jul 19 - 04:30 PM

aha... looks like I got 100 at 03:58 PM

not that I'm one to boast....

BUT IT WAS ME THAT GOT 100...!!!!!!

Subject: RE: Glastonbury
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 06 Jul 19 - 04:25 PM

eh...??? I wouldn't jump in anyone's grave...

Is that another Olde English tradition you are fond of...???
Something like cheese chasing down hill, or bog snorkeling...

Anyway.. 100 counts become made meaningless by mods tidying up a thread...

Subject: RE: Glastonbury
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 06 Jul 19 - 04:05 PM

102 - I bet PFR wouldn't jump in your grave that quick, Dave!

Subject: RE: Glastonbury
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 06 Jul 19 - 04:00 PM

Sorry WAV. You said you are a 'lefty' (socialist) and a nationalist. It only means one thing to me.

Oh, 100!!!!

Subject: RE: Glastonbury
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 06 Jul 19 - 03:58 PM

... and to link all this random bollox together in as contived a way as possible...

"6 surprising facts about the first-ever Glastonbury''

[last minute replacement headline acts..]

..goes all the way back to very first festival when The Kinks
(as well as Wayne Fontana, the other act listed on the flyer) were no-shows.
They were replaced by Marc Bolan’s Tyrannosaurus Rex."...

Subject: RE: Glastonbury
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 06 Jul 19 - 03:52 PM

Not quite, Dave - I'd say positive nationalist and a "regulationist"; my poem, from WalkaboutsVerse, "Global Regulationism"

Subject: RE: Glastonbury
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 06 Jul 19 - 03:43 PM

Yes I know..
.. and I'm one of those besotted daft sods
who bought the recent latest bottom of the barrel scraping box set of Marc Bolan's home demos...

Subject: RE: Glastonbury
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 06 Jul 19 - 03:33 PM

I've just realised. Walkaboutverse has admitted to being a nationalist and a socialist. I'm sure there is a phrase for that but I can't quite put my finger on it :-)

PFR. T-Rex live in in their music!

Subject: RE: Glastonbury
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 06 Jul 19 - 03:25 PM

Cj - give up now, there's no point trying to explain
the reciprocal evolutionary nature of cultural exchange to him..

He's unashamedly an Edwardian gentleman lost adrift in the future...

Maybe, one day he'll manage to fix his time machine for the return trip back home...

Until then he remains here as a curiosity - a living museum exhibit...


Now to find an alive T.Rex...

Subject: RE: Glastonbury
From: GUEST,Cj
Date: 06 Jul 19 - 03:15 PM

It's not a copy, it's an exchange. For they "copy" as much from us as we them. And why not? We're more similar than different. Hiding in caves is for cavemen.

Subject: RE: Glastonbury
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 06 Jul 19 - 02:20 PM

I find English copying American culture childish, CJ.

And it is not just music, of course: "You know what? I'm like so Americanised I copy everything they do; cause they like so get it - yeeha!"

Subject: RE: Glastonbury
From: GUEST,Cj
Date: 06 Jul 19 - 02:08 PM

When will people realise that the past is the past? The world has moved on. Communication and travel have moved on. It is no longer the war of the roses, or England Vs Napoleon, or North vs South. These people searching for their future in a rose tinted past are scared children. Grow up!

Subject: RE: Glastonbury
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 05 Jul 19 - 05:03 PM

I don't remember much about him at all..
I only ever saw the first Lord of the Rings movie,
and that was nearly 20 years ago...

Subject: RE: Glastonbury
From: GUEST
Date: 05 Jul 19 - 04:50 PM

Please don't drag the memory of Gandhi into this sordid, petty little feud.

Subject: RE: Glastonbury
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 05 Jul 19 - 03:20 PM

I'd say I'm a proper "lefty" PFR - I don't like capitalism AND I don't like economic/CAPITALIST immigration.

My poem on "Immigration's Left and Right"

Subject: RE: Glastonbury
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 05 Jul 19 - 03:15 PM

Having established your position on the political spectrum,
now to consider where you belong on any other spectrums...???

Are you for real..
or a lefty comedian's caricature
of the stereotypical xenphobic nationalist fanatic...???

Are we being secretly recorded for BBC3 comedy special...!!!???

Subject: RE: Glastonbury
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 05 Jul 19 - 02:20 PM

A reminder that folk music has long being linked to nationalism - in the early part of last century, when classical musicians were keen to give a nod to nationalism, they often turned to folk music.

Positive nationalism is definitely good for humanity.

And I'm not deluding myself re Gandhi - I am well aware that, in terms of popularity and umph, I am very different.

When he repatriated from African to Asia and began asking Europeans to repatriate to Europe (using non-violent non-cooperation and education), the majority of his people loved him for it and pushed him into leadership.

Subject: RE: Glastonbury
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 05 Jul 19 - 10:42 AM

folk, blues, punk, rap, etc.. have always served the same purpose
for downtrodden disaffected sub cultures & communities..
It's only the old blinkered [predominately white middle class...???] folk snobs
who refuse to accept reality...

Subject: RE: Glastonbury
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 05 Jul 19 - 10:14 AM

Funnily enough, Jack, I have often thought that Rap can be a type of Folk. Not the "Gangsta" stuff or the obscene or misogynistic stuff but there is a good section that tells real stories of ordinary folk living often hard lives. Not heard Stormzy so I dunno what section he falls in. Must have a listen some time.

Subject: RE: Glastonbury
From: GUEST,Jack Campin
Date: 05 Jul 19 - 04:59 AM

It seems that the one performer this year who has caught the English public imagination more than all the others put together is Stormzy.

So let's hear it for his kind of English music, if it has the intended effect.

Subject: RE: Glastonbury
From: Vincent Jones
Date: 05 Jul 19 - 03:23 AM

>> Shakespeare wrote a lot about Italy, and almost certainly spent time there.

He almost certainly didn't, according to the Shakespeare scholars I know (one of whom I am married to). This supposed intimacy with Italy is used by those people who believe that a bankrupt glover's son who went to grammar school would be incapable of writing the plays, and that someone from a posher background (often one similar to the people making this accusation) was the playwright.

Subject: RE: Glastonbury
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 05 Jul 19 - 02:55 AM

your perspective applies to England

Of course it does Dick. We are talking about Glastonbury. Which as far as I am aware is in England. As it happens, I am half Polish but that does not stop me from enjoying English culture and music. As to Ireland, I cannot say as I do not know but I just looked at the current Irish top 10 and I don't recognise any traditional folk songs there.

Subject: RE: Glastonbury
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 05 Jul 19 - 02:32 AM

Goodness, so now we will be saying that people in foreign countries shouldn't be putting on performances of Shakespeare, if foreigners want to see Shakespeare they have to come to England (nor even Britain) to see it.

The bit about food is utterly bonkers. Influences from all around the world have greatly enhanced British cusine. If we were reduced to eating the kind of chloresterol enhanced meals that Walkabouts lists, life would be very dull. Also short as we would be dying of heart attacks in our 40s.

As for comparing yourself with Gandhi, thats your very own Dan Quayle moment.

Subject: RE: Glastonbury
From: The Sandman
Date: 05 Jul 19 - 02:23 AM

Englands national instrument the only one as I understand it that was invented in England is the English concertina.Dave te gnome, folk music is not always a minority interest in Ire land for example it is mainstream, your perspective applies to England, Ironic because WAV is the one who is often accused of being a little englander. Dave i am sure you are not a little englander ,but you made a comment based on england and its folk music as if it was a world wide fact

Subject: RE: Glastonbury
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 04 Jul 19 - 07:35 PM

He writes like a 93-year-old little Englander. Then I find out that he was born on the day I was watching England winning the World Cup on a black and white telly that the Victor Value shop manager out of the goodness of his heart had hired.

Subject: RE: Glastonbury
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 04 Jul 19 - 06:42 PM

btw.. that admission was hardly a big unexpected dramatic reveal deserving of the Eastender's
dramatic drum roll...

For what it's worth, I was treading carefully and being more tolerant in case you have 'problems'...???

Subject: RE: Glastonbury
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 04 Jul 19 - 06:41 PM

Then stop wasting our time and patience with your xenophobic nonsense...

Subject: RE: Glastonbury
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 04 Jul 19 - 06:17 PM

I AM a nationalist, PFR - so was Gandhi, e.g.

Subject: RE: Glastonbury
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 04 Jul 19 - 05:56 PM

Walky - you can you can dress it up in theory as much as you like,
but in effect you are no different to the kind of nationalists
you claim you are not...

Some of us are prepared to give you benefit of the doubt,
but you are making yourself look at the very least contradictory and confused...

I believe you are not a white supremacist, their sort are a nasty minority.
But your liking for other races and cultures,
has not stopped you falling in a trap of supporting the most reactionary kind of purist nationalism.
your words also inadvertently agree with, support, and propagate such obvious crude prejudices...

Seriously think about what you are writing here in public...

Subject: RE: Glastonbury
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 04 Jul 19 - 05:21 PM

PFR - yes, I support land rights and don't like economic/CAPITALIST immigration nor conquest and imperialism; I do support genuine asylum seekers being helped to their NEAREST (in terms of culture as well as distance) safe nation.

Subject: RE: Glastonbury
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 04 Jul 19 - 05:12 PM

Anyone remember that thread where, eventually, there was a consensus of sorts that England's national musical instrument was the bell?

Just did a quick search to no avail but here is my list (adapted after that thread) of English Dances & Instruments

Subject: RE: Glastonbury
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 04 Jul 19 - 05:09 PM

"CAN win this "war"."

Walky - now you have PROVEN to me you are the kind of nationalist you pretend not to be...

You have dropped into place on my identification chart..
YOU are talking the kind of modified nationalism that goes along these lines..

"I'm not a racist, I love the diversity of races and other cultures..
As long as they stay in their own countries and don't come here..."...

Gotcha...!!!

Subject: RE: Glastonbury
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 04 Jul 19 - 05:01 PM

BTW. If you are in Manchester, what on earth are you doing posting on here? You should be out listening to "bells for peace" to mark the start of the international festival!

Subject: RE: Glastonbury
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 04 Jul 19 - 04:58 PM

No, folk performers are not inferior. Nor are the mainstream performers. They are just different. For the record, there is some folk music at Glastonbury. There is some Pop at Whitby. Long may that situation last.

It's not a war. It's many different sets of tastes living in harmony and not doing each other any harm. The only antagonism I am seeing is from you I'm afraid:-(

Subject: RE: Glastonbury
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 04 Jul 19 - 04:42 PM

But if given a test in musicianship many folkies may well beat "Liam Gallagher, The Cure or Kylie," Dave - it's what I just said: our culture (and its performers) are not inferior, it is just that people have been led to believe that.

The ocean is made of many drops, and we CAN win this "war".