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BS: Brexit V. The umpire strikes back...

Iains 11 Aug 19 - 10:36 AM
Steve Shaw 11 Aug 19 - 10:22 AM
Steve Shaw 11 Aug 19 - 10:13 AM
Dave the Gnome 11 Aug 19 - 10:10 AM
Jeri 11 Aug 19 - 10:08 AM
Steve Shaw 11 Aug 19 - 09:59 AM
Jim Carroll 11 Aug 19 - 09:42 AM
punkfolkrocker 11 Aug 19 - 09:38 AM
Dave the Gnome 11 Aug 19 - 09:25 AM
Jim Carroll 11 Aug 19 - 09:19 AM
Iains 11 Aug 19 - 09:03 AM
Jim Carroll 11 Aug 19 - 08:26 AM
Iains 11 Aug 19 - 07:29 AM
Steve Shaw 11 Aug 19 - 06:40 AM
Iains 11 Aug 19 - 03:59 AM
Backwoodsman 11 Aug 19 - 03:19 AM
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit V. The umpire strikes back...
From: Iains
Date: 11 Aug 19 - 10:36 AM

There will be no future for brexit if the hard left continue to try to sabotage it with every means at their disposal.
Typical of their tricks is to argue that those that insist the democratic will of the majority is honoured are called far right propagandists.
The real propaganda is the steady drip of project fear by far left media such as the Guardian. Those are facts!
Parliament voted overwhelmingly for the brexit referendum.
A majority voted leave in the referendum
a majority voted for article 50 in parliament
The last General Election was run on a leave ticket by both parties
The Brexit party took the majority of UK seats in the European election.
A minority of rebellious MPs that stood for election under false pretenses by standing on a leave ticket deliberately lied to their electorate in order to sabotage Brexit.


Still you cannot accept these self evident facts
Still you try to argue black is white and up is down in order to impose your minority view on the majority.
Time to stop your continual lies and face reality.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit V. The umpire strikes back...
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 11 Aug 19 - 10:22 AM

Johnson is electioneering in the time-honoured Tory way, by pretending they're the party of Laura Norder. Tories have always been proto-populists, telling the people what they think the people want to hear, not what they can actually achieve in office. That's how they've sold brexit to the gullible, and it's worked. They found billions for the DUP, billions for no-deal prep and now billions for cops and jails. All after accusing Labour of having a magic money tree. He'll go for a quick election, but not quick enough to stop brexit. That'll be down to MPs, as long as they can take back control and restore parliamentary sovereignty...

...See what I did there?


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit V. The umpire strikes back...
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 11 Aug 19 - 10:13 AM

I want us to be able to talk about the future of brexit without being bombarded with nonsense from a far-right propagandist. That's all.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit V. The umpire strikes back...
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 11 Aug 19 - 10:10 AM

Johnson's behaviour and the queen's comments on the clowns that run the country have every relevance to the matter in hand

They do, Jim. Law enforcement doesn't.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit V. The umpire strikes back...
From: Jeri
Date: 11 Aug 19 - 10:08 AM

This is how it starts, when a thread is about to be closed. Can you pull it out?


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit V. The umpire strikes back...
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 11 Aug 19 - 09:59 AM

Whilst some deletions may seem arbitrary, I think the majority of non-Iains posts that get deleted are collateral damage caused by HIS posts being deleted, leaving responses to his posts hanging, or simply by the deletion of a growing trail of negativity. Let's just see if we can discuss things in spite of him, and beware of the trap of his occasional nicey-nicey posts that appear to entice us into responding in kind. He always reverts to type once he's drawn us in. Talk past him at all times. Pretend he's not there at all. I want to talk about this topic, not be constantly bombarded with his far-right propaganda. So I'm simply not reading it. And no, Joe, it isn't his "opinions" we're getting at all. It's what I've just said. There is a difference.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit V. The umpire strikes back...
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 11 Aug 19 - 09:42 AM

"Now can we get back to how brexit should be handled before yet another thread is ruined?"
Sorry Dave - doesn't work like that
Johnson's behaviour and the queen's comments on the clowns that run the country have every relevance to the matter in hand
If the mods are going to close down every thread whenever we stray from their agenda us "kiddeis" (how fucking patronising can you get?) might as well leave them to make all the postings and we can sit and watch
I'm getting more than a little pissed off at being censored
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit V. The umpire strikes back...
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 11 Aug 19 - 09:38 AM

We can hope that at least a few of the gloating brexiteers suffer finacially if it happens..

Be fitting if a few have their investments wiped out as a consequence...

Though, no doubt the tories will be looking after their own with bail out funds for the rich
and their middle class mail/express/guido reading arse lickers...


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit V. The umpire strikes back...
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 11 Aug 19 - 09:25 AM

None of this has anything to do with brexit but as the subject has been broached.

Sterner law enforcement was not the answer 200 years ago and it still isn't.

On t'sixteenth day of August came the sound of marching feet

Now can we get back to how brexit should be handled before yet another thread is ruined?


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit V. The umpire strikes back...
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 11 Aug 19 - 09:19 AM

THE "CHALLENGED" INSTITUTE OF RACE RELATIONS
CHALLENGED !!!!
The man who has introduced the suss laws (be grateful if someone could blue-clickie this for me)
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-racist-tory-leadership-muslims-letter-box-piccaninnies-conservative-party-a8929376.html
You choose who to believe
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit V. The umpire strikes back...
From: Iains
Date: 11 Aug 19 - 09:03 AM

Excellant news Boris is on the case!
Morepolice
more prison space to bang up offeders
More stop and search to get criminals off the streets.

But of course catching criminals is labelled waycist by the challenged.


https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-49309112


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit V. The umpire strikes back...
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 11 Aug 19 - 08:26 AM

Word has leaked out from Buck Hose that Madge (long may she reign) has expressed her disgust at the level our representatives in Westminster - her comment on our present mob of politicians says she is "exasperated" - who can blame the poor dear - gawd bless 'er

Johnson's latest stunt at reintroducing the racially charged suss laws, stopping the shortening of prison sentences and a massive input into law and order is described as playing to the crowds in preparation for a General Election
It seems Trump isn't the only one prepared to play the race card to stay on top (the suss laws were always regarded as a race issue, which was why they were dropped )
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit V. The umpire strikes back...
From: Iains
Date: 11 Aug 19 - 07:29 AM

We can all hope that the 31st October will be great day for democracy,
where the majority will finally see the government bow to their electorate's instruction.
    But we shall see!
Many are hellbent on wrecking and frustrating the will of the majority. You only have to follow the brexit postings on mudcat to be able to appreciate that.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit V. The umpire strikes back...
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 11 Aug 19 - 06:40 AM

So Baldilocks Sadge is proposing to flood our tills and pockets with brexiteer 50p pieces. The coins will carry the message "Friendship with all nations" (as if being in the EU means we can only be friendly with 27) and will be stamped with the date 31 October 2019. How bloody childish. How stupid. We are being "governed" by a bunch of prematurely triumphalist morons. But we already knew that...


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit V. The umpire strikes back...
From: Iains
Date: 11 Aug 19 - 03:59 AM

I wonder why the remainers are always quoting Guardian articles. Does it have the shared attribute of papal infallibility? or is it simply a leftist propaganda vehicle with a particular anti brexit stance?

And, of course, he should never have made a promise that was beyond his authority.

The European Union Referendum Act 2015 is an Act of the Parliament of the United Kingdom that made legal provision for a pre-legislative referendum to be held in the United Kingdom and Gibraltar, on whether it should remain a member state of the European Union or leave it The bill was introduced to the House of Commons on 28 May 2015. Two weeks later, the second reading of the Act was supported by MPs from all parties except the SNP;and given Royal Assent on 17 December 2015 and came partly into force on the same day, and came into full legal force on 1 February 2016.

Before making inflammatory statements it is always a useful idea to check your facts. Parliament made the decision for a referendum, not Cameron.

Lay blame where blame is due, I always say!


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit V. The umpire strikes back...
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 11 Aug 19 - 03:19 AM

It’s a good article Dave, and it illustrates perfectly the mistake of Cameron and his cronies in calling a Referendum with a simple, binary question to decide a multi-faceted, extremely divisive issue.

And, of course, he should never have made a promise that was beyond his authority.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit V. The umpire strikes back...
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 11 Aug 19 - 02:52 AM

Here is a link to the article Steve mentions. Makes a lot of sense and links to the question I have asked. What sort of deal will be acceptable to all concerned?


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit V. The umpire strikes back...
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 10 Aug 19 - 07:17 PM

I've had a lovely evening with the mrs not thinking at all about brexit..

Relaxing and unintentionally funny 4 part round up on the Royal Welsh Show on BBC catch up..

We're 2 parts in.. and so far, with all those Welsh farmers, and not a noticable mention of the "B" word...

You wouln't think there was a problem in the world...


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit V. The umpire strikes back...
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 10 Aug 19 - 04:55 PM

Agreed, John. But for chrissake let's post on topic in every post so that opportunist interlopers such as, well never mind (he got deleted), and disaffected mods who have nothing to say about brexit are made to look like prize pillocks. Having said all that, I'll have to watch the news on the Beeb before I can force any more brexit stuff out... ;-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit V. The umpire strikes back...
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 10 Aug 19 - 04:47 PM

There is one simple way to keep the thread open - everyone, everyone should refrain from responding to him. He is not debating or discussing, he is simply provoking, trying to silence those who oppose his views.

How many more times does it need to be said? Don’t Feed The Troll.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit V. The umpire strikes back...
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 10 Aug 19 - 04:39 PM

OK, this is just for the sake of it. Did anyone else read Jonathan Freedman's piece in today's Guardian? I thought it painted a fairly probable picture of our near future outside the EU...


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit V. The umpire strikes back...
From: DMcG
Date: 10 Aug 19 - 04:29 PM

I am afraid the evidence thus far is we are unable to stick to the guidelines that were at the start of the last thread which are basically the same the start of this one.

With luck this one will be different, but, apart from this post, I think I will voluntarily exclude myself unless we can go a few weeks without insulting each other or getting the thread closed.

I will post elsewhere as it arises. With luck, I will speak to you all eventually here.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit V. The umpire strikes back...
From: Iains
Date: 10 Aug 19 - 04:13 PM

The limited industry we have could well be decimated,

In the UK, manufacturing makes up 11% of GVA, 44% of total UK exports, 70% of business R&D, and directly employs 2.6 million people. Despite the decline since the 1970s, when manufacturing contributed 25% of UK GDP, the UK is currently the ninth largest manufacturing nation in the world.

Anyone owning farmland and actively farming is entitled to EU subsidies.
After all the Dynamic inventor MR Dyson is the biggest sinle recipient of EU funds in the UK (and the third largest taxpayer)

UncleTom Cobley and all
The politics of envy is alive and well.

Do you have the same attitude towards the 11% of Labour MPs that are landlords. Does not voting or discussing such incidents as Grenfell Tower or topics such as rent controls not represent a conflict of interest for such MPs?

If you are really inquisitive try below
https://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/10133/jeremy_corbyn/islington_north#register


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit V. The umpire strikes back...
From: Raggytash
Date: 10 Aug 19 - 03:47 PM

Thank you Dave.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit V. The umpire strikes back...
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 10 Aug 19 - 03:44 PM

Already provided the link, Nigel, and, as requested, please do not get personal or post off topic. Thanks.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit V. The umpire strikes back...
From: Raggytash
Date: 10 Aug 19 - 03:43 PM

I would do Nigel but I am operating on a very small android device in a bar on the west coast of Ireland.

Creating links is I'm afraid beyond the capabilities of my device .................... and me.

As you well know when I have full internet access I always provide the relevant links.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit V. The umpire strikes back...
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 10 Aug 19 - 03:39 PM

With reference to my mention of farming could someone please link to the Guardian article which suggests that Dominic Cummings has received large sums from the EU for his share in a farm in County Durham.
No, I can't find it.
Is it too much to ask that you provide your own links to information which you believe may support your arguments?
Or are you happy to make unsupported comments, and hope that they are taken as facts?


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit V. The umpire strikes back...
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 10 Aug 19 - 03:34 PM

There you go.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit V. The umpire strikes back...
From: Raggytash
Date: 10 Aug 19 - 03:26 PM

With reference to my mention of farming could someone please link to the Guardian article which suggests that Dominic Cummings has received large sums from the EU for his share in a farm in County Durham.

You really could not make this this up!!


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit V. The umpire strikes back...
From: Raggytash
Date: 10 Aug 19 - 02:55 PM

I suspect the number of ardent leavers are in a very small minority.

I also suspect that many other leavers do not fully understand the ramifications of what leaving will actually do the UK economy.

For example the fishing industry is not suddenly going to be revived, the farming industry will not get the subsidies they currently enjoy. The limited industry we have could well be decimated, the Health service put under threat from multinational corporations seeking to privatise it.

The cost to the average person in the UK could see them suffer lower expectations and conditions for decades.

I have repeatedly asked those who are in favour of leaving to quantify to benefits to me and millions of other like me.

I have yet to receive any assurances of any kind.


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Subject: BS: Brexit V. The umpire strikes back...
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 10 Aug 19 - 02:45 PM

Well, you all know the rules. Stick to the topic and refrain from personal insults or the thread may be closed.

On the last one I asked the leavers to come up with ideas on how to satisfy the needs of most people rather than alienating one half of the electorate by either cancelling brexit or leaving without a deal. I laid out my ideas. Over to you.


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