MOAB - Mother of All BS [annex]

Subject: RE: MOAB - Mother of All BS [annex]
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 19 Sep 20 - 11:39 AM

I've had more exposure to prescient lately, rather than omniscient. Mr. P would be Sinclair Lewis, whose 1935 novel It Can't Happen Here is a playbook for the GOP this year.

Subject: RE: MOAB - Mother of All BS [annex]
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 21 Sep 20 - 01:04 AM

Here comes Beta, a storm in a year where they used up the whole list of alphabetical names so now they're restarting with the Greek alphabet.

Subject: RE: MOAB - Mother of All BS [annex]
From: Donuel
Date: 21 Sep 20 - 04:47 PM

One day Nazis, Trump and McConnel will just disappear like a miracle but virus won't die of old age.

The good ol days of the new normal aren't what they used to be.

Denying the dieing wish of an old bat is what makes it more delicious.
Trump tweet.

The AGE OF MISINFORMATION is over.
Q Anon.

Republicans agree to a 10 trillon dollar stimulus package to Wall St.

Trump's omnicience is limited only by the greatness in his own mind.
(he's a bleached hydro oxymoron)

But Jesus called them unto him, and said, Suffer little children to come unto me, and forbid them not: for of such is the kingdom of Covid. Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of Covid as a little child, shall in no wise survive unscathed."

Subject: RE: MOAB - Mother of All BS [annex]
From: Rapparee
Date: 21 Sep 20 - 08:11 PM

“How many valiant men, how many fair ladies, breakfast with their kinfolk and the same night supped with their ancestors in the next world! The condition of the people was pitiable to behold. They sickened by the thousands daily, and died unattended and without help. Many died in the open street, others dying in their houses, made it known by the stench of their rotting bodies. Consecrated churchyards did not suffice for the burial of the vast multitude of bodies, which were heaped by the hundreds in vast trenches, like goods in a ships hold and covered with a little earth.”
                                          -Giovanni Boccaccio

Subject: RE: MOAB - Mother of All BS [annex]
From: Donuel
Date: 22 Sep 20 - 06:55 AM

Answer: About a 1,000 a day in the US. The stench of rotting flesh is hidden today by the use of civilized refridgerated semi trucks.

What is differnt today are the crowds of cheerleaders for the virus.

Subject: RE: MOAB - Mother of All BS [annex]
From: Donuel
Date: 22 Sep 20 - 01:27 PM

Mr. Open: Hey Donuel you must be ecstatic about Trump's stroke and that he hasn't recovered his speech.

Donuel: Ecstatic? That means out of one's mind. No I'm not ecstatic.
I'm sad, it's a lonely end for a lonely man. In that way he truly was a common man.

Mr. Open: You hypocrite, you hated him. You never had anything good to

Donuel: I understood the mistakes he made to please his father. He was inspired by the wrong God.

Mr Open: I thought you said you were an athiest - and how could Trump be lonely, he had crowds breathing poison just to see him.

Donuel: Yes, that was some sick inspiration but thats how vulnerable and desperate people are when it comes to the power of sharing hate.
He had a hole in him he could never fill and didn't respect the knowledge that could have saved him. No I didn't respect him but I can feel sorry for him and his innocent followers.

Mr. Open: Greedy suck up innocents my ass. They were in it for the money!

Donuel: Not all of them. Look, the man is in hell now. I suggest he have a long stay.

My Open: Well amen to that.

Subject: RE: MOAB - Mother of All BS [annex]
From: keberoxu
Date: 23 Sep 20 - 12:18 PM

Rapparee, are you free of the grasshoppers at last?

Subject: RE: MOAB - Mother of All BS [annex]
From: Donuel
Date: 23 Sep 20 - 12:50 PM

A worm's eye view of the universe is grounding.
But only tasting and feeling sound is its world.
The mighty grasshopper can see his horizon and fly.
Each of the many worlds have their special pleasures.
The pleasure of arriving at Sirius B is reserved for X
but not man

Subject: RE: MOAB - Mother of All BS [annex]
From: Rapparee
Date: 25 Sep 20 - 09:52 PM

MOM!!! MOM!!!
You get up there!!!!! Right NOW!!!!

Subject: RE: MOAB - Mother of All BS [annex]
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 26 Sep 20 - 01:27 PM

She was out in the back yard working, taking a day off from news. A moratorium on news helps keep her attitude better when she visits down at the Legion Hovel. Then the stuff the others are complaining about is new to her and has been thoroughly digested and presented with the answers as well as the questions the news brings up. Saves time.

Subject: RE: MOAB - Mother of All BS [annex]
From: Rapparee
Date: 26 Sep 20 - 03:41 PM

She's getting quite a reputation at the Hovel. Nobody thought someone as frail-looking as Mom, could do the splits like that, and on top of a piano as well!

Subject: RE: MOAB - Mother of All BS [annex]
From: Rapparee
Date: 27 Sep 20 - 09:46 PM

Channel Firing
By Thomas Hardy

That night your great guns, unawares,
Shook all our coffins as we lay,
And broke the chancel window-squares,
We thought it was the Judgment-day

And sat upright. While drearisome
Arose the howl of wakened hounds:
The mouse let fall the altar-crumb,
The worms drew back into the mounds,

The glebe cow drooled. Till God called, “No;
It’s gunnery practice out at sea
Just as before you went below;
The world is as it used to be:

“All nations striving strong to make
Red war yet redder. Mad as hatters
They do no more for Christés sake
Than you who are helpless in such matters.

“That this is not the judgment-hour
For some of them’s a blessed thing,
For if it were they’d have to scour
Hell’s floor for so much threatening....

“Ha, ha. It will be warmer when
I blow the trumpet (if indeed
I ever do; for you are men,
And rest eternal sorely need).”

So down we lay again. “I wonder,
Will the world ever saner be,”
Said one, “than when He sent us under
In our indifferent century!”

And many a skeleton shook his head.
“Instead of preaching forty year,”
My neighbour Parson Thirdly said,
“I wish I had stuck to pipes and beer.”

Again the guns disturbed the hour,
Roaring their readiness to avenge,
As far inland as Stourton Tower,
And Camelot, and starlit Stonehenge.

Subject: RE: MOAB - Mother of All BS [annex]
From: Rapparee
Date: 28 Sep 20 - 12:10 PM

Dulce et Decorum Est
By Wilfred Owen

Bent double, like old beggars under sacks,
Knock-kneed, coughing like hags, we cursed through sludge,
Till on the haunting flares we turned our backs,
And towards our distant rest began to trudge.
Men marched asleep. Many had lost their boots,
But limped on, blood-shod. All went lame; all blind;
Drunk with fatigue; deaf even to the hoots
Of gas-shells dropping softly behind.

Gas! GAS! Quick, boys!—An ecstasy of fumbling
Fitting the clumsy helmets just in time,
But someone still was yelling out and stumbling
And flound’ring like a man in fire or lime.—
Dim through the misty panes and thick green light,
As under a green sea, I saw him drowning.

In all my dreams before my helpless sight,
He plunges at me, guttering, choking, drowning.

If in some smothering dreams, you too could pace
Behind the wagon that we flung him in,
And watch the white eyes writhing in his face,
His hanging face, like a devil’s sick of sin;
If you could hear, at every jolt, the blood
Come gargling from the froth-corrupted lungs,
Obscene as cancer, bitter as the cud
Of vile, incurable sores on innocent tongues,—
My friend, you would not tell with such high zest
To children ardent for some desperate glory,
The old Lie: Dulce et decorum est
Pro patria mori.

Subject: RE: MOAB - Mother of All BS [annex]
From: Rapparee
Date: 28 Sep 20 - 12:48 PM

Dover Beach
By Matthew Arnold

The sea is calm tonight.
The tide is full, the moon lies fair
Upon the straits; on the French coast the light
Gleams and is gone; the cliffs of England stand,
Glimmering and vast, out in the tranquil bay.
Come to the window, sweet is the night-air!
Only, from the long line of spray
Where the sea meets the moon-blanched land,
Listen! you hear the grating roar
Of pebbles which the waves draw back, and fling,
At their return, up the high strand,
Begin, and cease, and then again begin,
With tremulous cadence slow, and bring
The eternal note of sadness in.

Sophocles long ago
Heard it on the Ægean, and it brought
Into his mind the turbid ebb and flow
Of human misery; we
Find also in the sound a thought,
Hearing it by this distant northern sea.

The Sea of Faith
Was once, too, at the full, and round earth’s shore
Lay like the folds of a bright girdle furled.
But now I only hear
Its melancholy, long, withdrawing roar,
Retreating, to the breath
Of the night-wind, down the vast edges drear
And naked shingles of the world.

Ah, love, let us be true
To one another! for the world, which seems
To lie before us like a land of dreams,
So various, so beautiful, so new,
Hath really neither joy, nor love, nor light,
Nor certitude, nor peace, nor help for pain;
And we are here as on a darkling plain
Swept with confused alarms of struggle and flight,
Where ignorant armies clash by night.

Subject: RE: MOAB - Mother of All BS [annex]
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 28 Sep 20 - 01:30 PM

Clean War
by Patricia Wellingham-Jones

They are calling this the cleanest war in all of military history.
--Tom Brokaw, April 2, 2003

Tell that to the ravens
plucking out eyes
on the blood-packed sand

To fathers cradling
the last of their hopes
in torn bodies

To young girls swelling
with the unwanted gifts
of swift strong soldiers

To mothers and wives
pulling on veils of grief
as they wash their dead

Inform the children
who wander dazed with thirst, alone
among ruins

Subject: RE: MOAB - Mother of All BS [annex]
From: Rapparee
Date: 28 Sep 20 - 10:47 PM

The Young British Soldier
by Rudyard Kipling

WHEN the 'arf-made recruity goes out to the East
'E acts like a babe an' 'e drinks like a beast,
An' 'e wonders because 'e is frequent deceased
Ere 'e's fit for to serve as a soldier.
Serve, serve, serve as a soldier,
Serve, serve, serve as a soldier,
Serve, serve, serve as a soldier,
So-oldier of the Queen!

Now all you recruities what's drafted to-day,
You shut up your rag-box an' 'ark to my lay,
An' I'll sing you a soldier as far as I may:
A soldier what's fit for a soldier.
Fit, fit, fit for a soldier . . .

First mind you steer clear o' the grog-sellers' huts,
For they sell you Fixed Bay'nets that rots out your guts -
Ay, drink that 'ud eat the live steel from your butts -
An' it's bad for the young British soldier.
Bad, bad, bad for the soldier . . .

When the cholera comes - as it will past a doubt -
Keep out of the wet and don't go on the shout,
For the sickness gets in as the liquor dies out,
An' it crumples the young British soldier.
Crum-, crum-, crumples the soldier . . .

But the worst o' your foes is the sun over'ead:
You must wear your 'elmet for all that is said:
If 'e finds you uncovered 'e'll knock you down dead,
An' you'll die like a fool of a soldier.
Fool, fool, fool of a soldier . . .

If you're cast for fatigue by a sergeant unkind,
Don't grouse like a woman nor crack on nor blind;
Be handy and civil, and then you will find
That it's beer for the young British soldier.
Beer, beer, beer for the soldier . . .

Now, if you must marry, take care she is old -
A troop-sergeant's widow's the nicest I'm told,
For beauty won't help if your rations is cold,
Nor love ain't enough for a soldier.
'Nough, 'nough, 'nough for a soldier . . .

If the wife should go wrong with a comrade, be loath
To shoot when you catch 'em - you'll swing, on my oath! -
Make 'im take 'er and keep 'er: that's Hell for them both,
An' you're shut o' the curse of a soldier.
Curse, curse, curse of a soldier . . .

When first under fire an' you're wishful to duck,
Don't look nor take 'eed at the man that is struck,
Be thankful you're livin', and trust to your luck
And march to your front like a soldier.
Front, front, front like a soldier . . .

When 'arf of your bullets fly wide in the ditch,
Don't call your Martini a cross-eyed old bitch;
She's human as you are - you treat her as sich,
An' she'll fight for the young British soldier.
Fight, fight, fight for the soldier . . .

When shakin' their bustles like ladies so fine,
The guns o' the enemy wheel into line,
Shoot low at the limbers an' don't mind the shine,
For noise never startles the soldier.
Start-, start-, startles the soldier . . .

If your officer's dead and the sergeants look white,
Remember it's ruin to run from a fight:
So take open order, lie down, and sit tight,
And wait for supports like a soldier.
Wait, wait, wait like a soldier . . .

When you're wounded and left on Afghanistan's plains,
And the women come out to cut up what remains,
Jest roll to your rifle and blow out your brains
An' go to your Gawd like a soldier.
Go, go, go like a soldier,
Go, go, go like a soldier,
Go, go, go like a soldier,
So-oldier of the Queen!

Subject: RE: MOAB - Mother of All BS [annex]
From: keberoxu
Date: 29 Sep 20 - 06:42 PM

The Thomas Hardy poem, "Channel Firing," was nicely set to music
by Gerard Finzi (English composer despite the name).
Right, Mom,
now upstairs before
Rapparee hollers at you again.

Subject: RE: MOAB - Mother of All BS [annex]
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 30 Sep 20 - 05:51 PM

We've had some fall-like weather this week, but it's warm again today. MOM can't decide if she needs to keep making iced tea or get out the hot pumpkin spice drinks for any visitor who spends time on the screened in porch.

Subject: RE: MOAB - Mother of All BS [annex]
From: Rapparee
Date: 30 Sep 20 - 09:54 PM

We ate dinner on the back porch/deck this evening. It was 71F and quite pleasant. Supposed to be that was the rest of the week and into next.

Subject: RE: MOAB - Mother of All BS [annex]
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 01 Oct 20 - 03:55 PM

Mom!

I have a poly leaf rake. It says so right on the sticker. I need to know if it will work for raking natural leaves, or only poly ones?

Subject: RE: MOAB - Mother of All BS [annex]
From: Rapparee
Date: 01 Oct 20 - 09:59 PM

Did Poly leaf you to clean up the leaves?

Subject: RE: MOAB - Mother of All BS [annex]
From: keberoxu
Date: 03 Oct 20 - 06:33 PM

Well, MOM, if you don't want Rapparee hollering at you,
better hustle up to the top of the queue.

Subject: RE: MOAB - Mother of All BS [annex]
From: Rapparee
Date: 03 Oct 20 - 11:50 PM

I most certainly do not shout, yell at, holler, or otherwise orally abuse Mom! Why, someone might get the wrong idea and believe that she doesn't like me, her Favorite (Favourite in Canada) best.

Subject: RE: MOAB - Mother of All BS [annex]
From: gnu
Date: 04 Oct 20 - 02:40 PM

Still on sub-lurk, here.

Subject: RE: MOAB - Mother of All BS [annex]
From: Rapparee
Date: 04 Oct 20 - 06:38 PM

Nephew Ted is back from Georgia (the Tblisi one) and will probably start training as a Game Warden in Wisconsin the end of this month. Whether he stays in the Marine Reserves is an open question. Soon I'll be able to hunt all over WI with impunity!

Subject: RE: MOAB - Mother of All BS [annex]
From: Rapparee
Date: 04 Oct 20 - 10:04 PM

Been working on my presentation on past pandemics in US. I'm not going to create the links (do some work yourself!) but the virus causing measles looks to me like Cookie Monster from Sesame Street and the one for polio like the planet in Saint-Exupery's The Little Prince.

Subject: RE: MOAB - Mother of All BS [annex]
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 04 Oct 20 - 11:38 PM

MOM saw a rock painted for Halloween out in someone's front yard. Now she's back in the paint shelves looking to see what she can use. I guess if a rock will work in one yard, white washing the big trees and painting scary faces on them will be even more impressive.

Subject: RE: MOAB - Mother of All BS [annex]
From: Rapparee
Date: 05 Oct 20 - 11:44 AM

I shall make no suggestions that Mom or anyone begin doing things like
this.

Subject: RE: MOAB - Mother of All BS [annex]
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 06 Oct 20 - 07:07 PM

At the risk of playing Pete and re-Pete, there's another hurricane headed for the Gulf. What do you want to bet that it has BWL's address in it's contact list for once it comes ashore?

Subject: RE: MOAB - Mother of All BS [annex]
From: Donuel
Date: 06 Oct 20 - 07:37 PM

bathyscaphe sub lurk.

Subject: RE: MOAB - Mother of All BS [annex]
From: Rapparee
Date: 07 Oct 20 - 09:26 PM

Of course it does. And it's sent collect on and after delivery.

Subject: RE: MOAB - Mother of All BS [annex]
From: Rapparee
Date: 08 Oct 20 - 07:30 PM

Went to the doctor today. He reduced one medication, a statin, by half and increased another from two to three pills a day. I guess it even out. No surgery or anything in the foreseeable future, but it's pretty dark out there.

Subject: RE: MOAB - Mother of All BS [annex]
From: Donuel
Date: 08 Oct 20 - 08:28 PM

Is it the future thats dark or early nights?

It looks like bringing light to the dark of the moon will be unlikely since Trump will probably be the biggest loser this election cycle. - To explain we have to go all the way back to Reagan's Star Wars defense program where a small underground nuke would be exploded and its energy converted to a high power X ray laser weapon. This idea was recently reworked by Dr. Godfrey McMillain to use an enormous visible light laser instead, and was presented to Trump as a way to project the word Trump on the dark phase of the moon for the entire world to see. Branding the moon with light has Donald more excited than a thousand mile wall.
If Trump wins, survivors will be able to see 'Trump' in the sky on clear nights for at least 4 years.

Subject: RE: MOAB - Mother of All BS [annex]
From: Rapparee
Date: 08 Oct 20 - 10:21 PM

See Robert A. Heinlein, "The Man Who Sold The Moon," (1950).

Subject: RE: MOAB - Mother of All BS [annex]
From: Donuel
Date: 09 Oct 20 - 04:54 PM

have a heart, Hancock.

Subject: RE: MOAB - Mother of All BS [annex]
From: Donuel
Date: 10 Oct 20 - 04:31 PM

MOAB is reduced to the Fantastic 4.

I fear a promotion of free beer to post here
might not work. Especially if it is Bud light.

Subject: RE: MOAB - Mother of All BS [annex]
From: gnu
Date: 11 Oct 20 - 09:00 AM

Lite beer? I'd rather be fat than sober.

Subject: RE: MOAB - Mother of All BS [annex]
From: Rapparee
Date: 11 Oct 20 - 06:25 PM

I'd drink horse piss before I'd drink Budwe...wait, that's the same thing.

Subject: RE: MOAB - Mother of All BS [annex]
From: Rapparee
Date: 12 Oct 20 - 08:58 AM

The Idaho Legion Hovel has all-you-can-drink free beer tomorrow.

Subject: RE: MOAB - Mother of All BS [annex]
From: Donuel
Date: 12 Oct 20 - 05:41 PM

My lap top today fell into 3 pieces rendering it dead.
With some ol reliable duct tape, epoxy and super glue I brought it back to life. Score one against the engineers of planned obsolesence.

Subject: RE: MOAB - Mother of All BS [annex]
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 12 Oct 20 - 07:20 PM

And no one will steal a laptop that looks like that so you've assured a higher level of security.

Free beer tomorrow? How about every day through election day. The news is so fraught that an evening glass of whisky is the self-Rx to treat the otherwise palpable anxiety generated by news out of the nation's capital.

Two of the dogs and I are drying out now after I took the hose with the nozzle out to give the two big dogs a rinse-off. I fear there was shampoo left in their coats a couple of weeks ago during their baths, that's the only way I can explain all of the itching and chewing in dogs who don't have fleas. I've switched them to one of their old foods also, for a break from the one they've gotten this summer. Itching dogs is bad enough for them and it's driving me nuts!

Subject: RE: MOAB - Mother of All BS [annex]
From: Rapparee
Date: 13 Oct 20 - 07:41 AM

Did I mention that a toilet stopped working yesterday? Fortunately, the plumber could visit. Unfortunately it's one of those types with an air-assisted flush, so I couldn't fix it. Fortunately the part was on the truck.

Now comes the part about paying.

Subject: RE: MOAB - Mother of All BS [annex]
From: Donuel
Date: 13 Oct 20 - 08:10 AM

For me booze=snooze. Black gorilla tape covers all glue areas on my lap top so it looks good enough to steal but it never leaves home since I don't have an active academic life like yours. Maybe you could be a curator one day as museums are in a fluid state nowadays.

Rap, my glass coated toilets are virtually self cleaning. Thanks for the Lennox tip, the difference is great.

Subject: RE: MOAB - Mother of All BS [annex]
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 13 Oct 20 - 11:55 AM

I have remembered that the Labrador retriever used to get a daily dose of Zyrtec for his itching (3 pills for a 75 pound dog, the vet calculated, though I only take 1 and I weigh more. Go figure). So last night I finally got smart and started the two itchy dogs on Zyrtec (the 45 pound dog will get 2 pills, because.) Let's hope this works. It can be purchased in bulk at Costco (Sam's Club is less expensive, but I've stopped going there. Because.)

Gorilla glue, eh? I don't think I've tried that, though I've seen enough ads for it. And there's some kind of miraculous tape for fastening things to walls. The ads flow past like the water in a stream, turning up again every so often, possibly to be acted upon at a later date.

So it's Prime Day now and I ordered another Echo speaker because it comes with a "free" smart light bulb. And because of the cost it's like I'm getting one of these things free. They suck you in that way. And I have a discount to spend but it didn't kick in yet so I must see what that's all about. If one type of advertising doesn't get you, another will.

Good luck with the toilet. I may begrudge the high fees charged by the plumber, but considering the places and times they do their job, it's mostly worth it.

Subject: RE: MOAB - Mother of All BS [annex]
From: Donuel
Date: 13 Oct 20 - 02:43 PM

Gorrilla TAPE is long lasting indoors. Its triple thick duct tape.
Gorilla Glue (original) EXPANDS and will fill in a cracked fencepost or loose stone masonry or hand rail. Not good for any instrument repair - it pushes the wood apart but is good to mount a table top on a pedestal. After 7 years it turns a dark brown red outdoors. Indoors it stays a light tan color. Get it on yours hands and its there for a week despite soap and water.

I'm cutting the TV cable and going to streaming. Youtube looks like the best deal. Verizon is just too big for its britches and getting slow, stupid and crammed to the gills. I will still use their IT.

Subject: RE: MOAB - Mother of All BS [annex]
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 13 Oct 20 - 06:09 PM

I signed up for Sling TV (Blue package) a few months ago and am quite happy with it. $30 a month for several channels that I regularly watch, and if you want more they have on-demand streaming (I haven't done that so I don't know how much those items cost.) I have high speed internet and it streams into things like Roku, Fire Stick, Chrome stick, and some of the newer smart TVs with downloadable or installed apps.

The holiday shopping started here several weeks ago but got a big boost from Amazon Prime day. And it's just as well I did it early because the guys at the Legion hovel were doing all of their shopping on their phones and tablets and laptops and tying up the WiFi this afternoon.

No matter how many cushy beds I put out for the dogs, this darned puppy always wants to sleep on the rug on top of my rubber mat at my standing desk (that is rarely cranked to the standing position these days). Why is that? Is that mat really that comfortable, is it because she's into leaning on my lumpy feet, or just because I say no so she wants to do it? Inquiring minds and all that.

Subject: RE: MOAB - Mother of All BS [annex]
From: Rapparee
Date: 13 Oct 20 - 10:03 PM

My presentation on Pandemics Past In The US is coming apace. I hope to have it done by midnight on the 19th, as I'm giving it on the 20th at 11 a.m. MDT.

Subject: RE: MOAB - Mother of All BS [annex]
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 14 Oct 20 - 10:55 AM

A virtual presentation, Rap? Will you be Zooming around the planet?

Subject: RE: MOAB - Mother of All BS [annex]
From: Rapparee
Date: 14 Oct 20 - 11:00 AM

Some folks may be physically present (safeguards in place!). Others will be there via some sort of magical connection called "Zoom" (refers to hypersonic brooms, I think). Assuming that they get the magic to work -- it's been iffy lately due to the overweaning conceit of some PhDs who can't admit they don't know something. I have confidence that this will be taken care of by Tuesday next...abandoned mineshafts abound.

Subject: RE: MOAB - Mother of All BS [annex]
From: Donuel
Date: 14 Oct 20 - 01:05 PM

An excellent use of your talents Rap.
I'm surprised how pandemics have little or no logic as a parasite or in our response to it. Our life and its life seem random.

Now for some top notch PHD BS...

I don't give logic much credit. Logic arises out of the situation where there is often zero freedom to question the original assumption. Not only is it the case that logic arises out of this lack of freedom (as some kind of necessary pre-condition), logic is the lack of freedom which it arose from. What has the most freedom in all reality is space and not what we call a thing. For example; Hollowed out, clay makes a pot. Where the pot’s not, is where it’s useful. Cut doors and windows to make a room, where the room isn’t, there’s room for you. What is, is in the use of what isn’t. This sounds illogical but true doesn't it? In cosmology space breaks all our rules. Space can move faster than light. It is enormously small. Different spaces can exist within a space. If I continue, your mind may explode so allow me to simply say things are not as the seem to our POV, yet space allows room for things to change.