Prince Andrew

Subject: RE: Prince Andrew
From: The Sandman
Date: 10 Nov 25 - 02:14 AM

Prince Xndrew could still be at risk, However I hope he goes and i hope he gives names.
that is much more important than people calling names such as "conspiracy nut" both he and sara ferguson are more at risk now that they will have less security, I consider it important that everyone who was involved with Epstein is named.

Subject: RE: Prince Andrew
From: Raggytash
Date: 09 Nov 25 - 04:44 PM

An exert from Dick link:

"Conspiracy theories have since circulated, without corroboration or support from Mr Cook’s family and friends, which suggested he may have been targeted by the security services."

Without corroboration from his wife who was with him when he had his heart attack.

Subject: RE: Prince Andrew
From: Raggytash
Date: 09 Nov 25 - 04:41 PM

An exert from Dick link,

Conspiracy theories have since circulated, without corroboration or support from Mr Cook’s family and friends, which suggested h

Subject: RE: Prince Andrew
From: The Sandman
Date: 09 Nov 25 - 12:33 PM

so Princess Diana had a car accident, and Epstein committed suicide THEN..... the 2003 death of Dr. David Kelly, a British weapons expert and former UN inspector who was found dead after his name was revealed as the source of a BBC report criticizing the government's Iraq WMD dossier
. An official inquiry chaired by Lord Hutton concluded Kelly had died by suicide, a finding supported by post-mortem and toxicology reports, although the circumstances remain controversial and have been debated by some.
4 ACCIDENTS, including 2 suicides, plus 1 accident and 1 suicide connected to the iraq war. number of coincidences
Both Andrew Sarah and Trump and Mandelson had connections with Epstein, possibly others

Subject: RE: Prince Andrew
From: The Sandman
Date: 09 Nov 25 - 12:22 PM

AI Overview
The main controversy surrounding Robin Cook's death is the conspiracy theory that his death was not an accident, but rather that he was murdered by security services due to his opposition to the Iraq War
. While official sources confirmed he died of a heart attack, with a post-mortem finding hypertensive heart disease, prominent figures like former MP Norman Baker have publicly expressed skepticism and suggested his death was "convenient" for the government. This skepticism has been fueled by Cook's public criticism of the Iraq War and a subsequent fight to release more details of the incident through freedom of information requests.
link to article in The Herald https://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/20077478.police-scotland-told-release-details-robin-cooks-death/

Subject: RE: Prince Andrew
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 09 Nov 25 - 10:32 AM

I think some years ago Fergie moved back into the house, despite their being divorced. The Wikipedia article gives a lot of detail about their living in the same houses or vicinity over the years since the divorce. Even this most recent move out of the Royal Lodge had her moving out, now "making her own living arrangements." But I'd bet they'll still be nearby.

And she has a role in the Epstein files discussion:

In March 2011, it was reported that Jeffrey Epstein, a convicted sex offender, had helped Ferguson avoid bankruptcy by paying £15,000 to an employee to whom she owed money.[88] The payments were reportedly made after intervention from Andrew, who had a close friendship with Epstein for which he came under scrutiny in 2019.[89] She later admitted getting money from Epstein and called it a "gigantic error".[90] In the summer of 2011, Finding Sarah aired on the OWN network. One episode of the U.S.-filmed reality series depicted Ferguson meeting with Suze Orman, the internationally known financial advisor, receiving from Orman a strict lecture and practical advice on how to resolve her financial issues.[91] Juan Alessi, a staff member at Epstein's Florida residence for 12 years, said in an unsealed deposition that he believed Ferguson visited "only once and for a short time".[92][93][94]

There's more speculation at the link.

Subject: RE: Prince Andrew
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 09 Nov 25 - 07:57 AM

Ahhh, that is just what they want you to believe, Raggy. Who do you trust more? The validated Wiki entry or a conspiracy nut posting on an obscure web forum? ;-)

Subject: RE: Prince Andrew
From: Raggytash
Date: 09 Nov 25 - 06:34 AM

Can't let the Robin Cook reference go by without stating that the facts are he had a heart attack whilst out fell walking with his wife.



Taken from Wiki:

"At the start of August 2005, Cook and his wife, Gaynor, took a two-week holiday in the Scottish Highlands. At around 2:20 pm on 6 August 2005, while he walked down Ben Stack[35] in Sutherland, Cook suddenly suffered a severe heart attack, collapsed, lost consciousness and fell about 8 feet (2.4 m) down a ridge. He was assisted after his fall by another hill-walker who refused all publicity and was granted anonymity. A helicopter containing paramedics arrived 30 minutes after a 999 call was made. Cook then was flown to Raigmore Hospital, Inverness.[36]

Gaynor did not get in the helicopter and walked down the mountain. Despite efforts made by the medical team to revive Cook in the helicopter, he was already beyond recovery, and at 4:05 pm, minutes after arrival at the hospital, was pronounced dead. He was 59. Two days later, a post-mortem examination found that Cook had died of hypertensive heart disease."

Subject: RE: prince andrew
From: Doug Chadwick
Date: 09 Nov 25 - 04:20 AM

It's clearly not just the MAGA crowd who enjoy conspiracy theories.

DC

Subject: RE: prince andrew
From: The Sandman
Date: 09 Nov 25 - 02:27 AM

Princess Diana had a car accident, Epstein committed suicide, Robin Cook[ foreign secretary in Blairs government] made the mistake of saying that Iraq did not have weapons of mass destruction, and had a mountain accident and died.
co incidences possibly,
if one does not keep ones mouth, shut. Andrew is pretty thick and arrogant and might think if talked he might be too well connected to have an accident

Subject: RE: prince andrew
From: The Sandman
Date: 09 Nov 25 - 02:15 AM

what was Mandelson doing there? was Blair or Trump or Bill Clinton, or Gates there?.

Subject: RE: prince andrew
From: The Sandman
Date: 09 Nov 25 - 02:06 AM

I was not suggesting that they would do it , more likely whoever was behind Epsteins suicide, WHO else might want him to keep his mouth closed, a foreign secret service? who might want a hold on other offenders
possibly other senior politicians who frequented Epsteins debauchery. It would be good imo if there was not a cover up

Subject: RE: prince andrew
From: Raggytash
Date: 08 Nov 25 - 05:17 PM

Much as I have little respect for the royal family I think even they would baulk at a "suicide"

Subject: RE: prince andrew
From: The Sandman
Date: 08 Nov 25 - 11:30 AM

maybe not just blocked, they might decide to exit the world another dodgy suicide?

Subject: RE: prince andrew
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 08 Nov 25 - 10:58 AM

With Trump in office anyone who might spill the beans about Epstein is liable to be blocked from speaking up. Including the ex-royal.

Subject: RE: prince andrew
From: The Sandman
Date: 08 Nov 25 - 02:47 AM

Time will tell

Subject: RE: prince andrew
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 07 Nov 25 - 12:19 PM

”perhaps now Andrew is going to the usa, more names may be revealed,”

Will he actually go to the US? He hasn’t agreed to go, and it’s by no means certain that he will, even though the UK government have said that he should. As with any other private citizen, he’s under no compunction to go.

I wouldn’t be at all surprised if, should he decide to comply (and I suspect that’s very unlikely), he will end up being ‘suicided’, like Epstein himself and his victim, Virginia Giuffré (Roberts).

Subject: RE: prince andrew
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 07 Nov 25 - 11:51 AM

Epstein is widely regarded as a big-time blackmailer, and the banks didn't report the financial activity that they were supposed to. There is a list - but getting it released will depend on a lot of intermediate steps and the Speaker of the House of Representatives still hasn't sworn in the representative Adelita Grijalva, from New Mexico, elected mid-term two months ago, because she has said she will sign the bipartisan petition (they need one more vote) to release the Epstein files.

Subject: RE: prince andrew
From: The Sandman
Date: 07 Nov 25 - 10:59 AM

Was Epstein a blackmailer,who was tHe former prime minster involved with Epstein, what was Mandleson involvement, would there be a prime minster who was close to Mandelson.
perhaps now Andrew is going to the usa, more names may be revealed, we are entitled to know
was there a former us president involved, how seriosly was the present the president involved.

Subject: RE: prince andrew
From: Aethelric
Date: 07 Nov 25 - 10:23 AM

A rather depressing article about our King here:-
Andrews Brother

Subject: RE: prince andrew
From: The Sandman
Date: 07 Nov 25 - 10:12 AM

he has now been summoned to the usa to give an explanation

Subject: RE: prince andrew
From: The Sandman
Date: 04 Nov 25 - 02:39 AM

It appears King Charles believes he is guilty, why else would he strip him of his princehood, other than to avoid a trial and further embarassment.
a trial provides AN opportunity for other people to be named possibly trump ,Gates, and probably others

Subject: RE: prince andrew
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 03 Nov 25 - 09:58 PM

Charmion and Andrew-the-Canadian-brother were much more polite in their responses than I was, but I stand with the opinion, that is, of course, just an opinion.

Subject: RE: prince andrew
From: Charmion's brother Andrew
Date: 03 Nov 25 - 06:48 PM

The former prince's birth was the first "current event" of which I was aware. I was not used to hearing my given name on the radio. I do believe he has rather let down the side of us Andrews.

Subject: RE: prince andrew
From: Charmion
Date: 03 Nov 25 - 06:35 PM

Georgiansilver, I think the King has booted his brother out of the peerage simply because he’s unemployable, not acceptable even to open a village fête, let alone such heavy lifting as is expected of working royals. The man’s tattered reputation — remember when he was Randy Andy? Well, so does everyone else — has made him radioactive. But he’s still a member of the family, with an allowance and housing at Sandringham. Shed no tears for Mr Mountbatten-Windsor; he ain’t worth it.

Subject: RE: prince andrew
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 03 Nov 25 - 11:40 AM

You've obviously decided that his shit doesn't stink and you'll close your eyes to the growing stack of evidence against him. Being an apologist for a criminal because he's rich and entitled is a really unattractive stance to take.

Subject: RE: prince andrew
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 03 Nov 25 - 11:23 AM

Stilly River Sage you are oviously one of those who has decided Andrew is guilty!!!! I thought it was 'Innocent until proven guilty' Hope you are not going to be his judge!!

Subject: RE: prince andrew
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 02 Nov 25 - 12:49 PM

My feelings about Andrew-formerly-known-as-prince, in fact my feelings about the entire Royal Circus, are perfectly summed up by Rhett Butler's final words to Scarlett O'Hara in 'Gone With The Wind'...

"Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn!"

The French had the right idea, roll out the tumbrels...

Subject: RE: prince andrew
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 02 Nov 25 - 11:26 AM

Georgiansilver, don't feel sorry for Andrew. Even with the things he's losing he's in a much better place than most rapists or pedophiles.

Subject: RE: prince andrew
From: The Sandman
Date: 02 Nov 25 - 04:28 AM

https://www.thejournal.ie/andrew-mountbatten-windsor-6862054-Nov2025/ link to journal.ie
he still receives a navy pension, plus a stipend from king charles

Subject: RE: prince andrew
From: The Sandman
Date: 02 Nov 25 - 03:29 AM

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/prince-andrew-epstein-virginia-giuffre-met-police-latest-news-b2856851.html
link to article in independent, ex prosecutor calls for prosecution. it is only right he should be prosecuted

Subject: RE: prince andrew
From: The Sandman
Date: 02 Nov 25 - 03:21 AM

He should be given a trial.
Many ordinary people have been wrongly imprisoned fpr crimes they did not commit. guildford bombings etc
when was a Prince he was in line to succeed the throne .
All his privileges and rights have not been taken from him. check out the facts

Subject: RE: prince andrew
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 01 Nov 25 - 04:04 PM

Whether or not Andrew has done anything he isaccused of....is it right that everything should be taken from him?? If so then joe Bloggs who is a mechanic and is accused of similar, should lose his job, his family should disown him and all rights should be taken away from him!!   This whole witch hunt is becoming a bore!!! Which Royals do not have skeletons in the cupboard...and which mechanics??

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit and other UK politics thread 4
From: The Sandman
Date: 01 Nov 25 - 11:36 AM

the colour of your skin has got nothing to with what you're like as a person." quote
Prince Andrew is an example

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit and other UK politics thread 4
From: The Sandman
Date: 01 Nov 25 - 08:11 AM

Prince Andrews behaviour, brings up the question, of whether we still need a monarchy

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit and other UK politics thread 4
From: The Sandman
Date: 01 Nov 25 - 08:09 AM

It is political, It may not be party political, you are not a moderator, so do not presume to tell me what i should or should not post.
AI Overview
Yes, the monarchy is a political issue
, even in constitutional monarchies where the monarch has limited political power. The role of the monarchy, its very existence, and the question of whether to transition to a republic are all political matters that involve debate and differing viewpoints. Issues like the monarchy's role in government, its impact on national identity, and the separation of a hereditary head of state from an elected head of state are central to these political discussions.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit and other UK politics thread 4
From: The Sandman
Date: 01 Nov 25 - 04:43 AM

Andrew in line for six-figure payout and annual stipend from king, sources say

The former prince remains under scrutiny as Buckingham Palace finalises plans for his future as a commoner

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit and other UK politics thread 4
From: The Sandman
Date: 01 Nov 25 - 04:29 AM

Prince Andrew, are they gping to let him keep his teddybears

Subject: RE: prince andrew
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 26 Aug 19 - 09:59 AM

Agreed, Big Al - so add capitalism to monarchism, above.

Subject: RE: prince andrew
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 26 Aug 19 - 09:00 AM

Tell the BBC , WAV.....theres got to be journalists who could do as good a job for a good fair wage, as Gary Lineker and assorted celebs.

Subject: RE: prince andrew
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 26 Aug 19 - 08:38 AM

The best way for humans to get thing done is via cooperation and FAIR competition - having a minority born into a role where they get millions per year for a bit of public speaking is anything but fair and, thus, the UN should hurry up and outlaw monarchism - with the problems for people it causes. "Wise?"

Subject: RE: prince andrew
From: The Sandman
Date: 25 Aug 19 - 11:24 AM

however it appears the security on mountbattens yacht was very lax, why? was it at his own request?[ backwoodsman this is a question]was it because mountbatten did not want to be watched ,because he was involved in something or other?[ back woodsman this is another question not an allegation]

Subject: RE: prince andrew
From: Mrrzy
Date: 25 Aug 19 - 11:22 AM

Love all the double entendres, there, Steve.

Subject: RE: prince andrew
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 25 Aug 19 - 09:02 AM

One thing's for sure. Whatever Prince Andrew, Lord Mountbatten or any other royal got up to or gets up to, it won't be properly investigated. The Mountbatten allegations have been around for years, but no-one is going to be delving very deeply any time soon.

Subject: RE: prince andrew
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 25 Aug 19 - 08:22 AM

Whatever....it doesn't mitigate his murder and those in his party, by the paragons of the peace process.

Subject: RE: prince andrew
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 25 Aug 19 - 04:47 AM

A new biography of Prince Philip's uncle, Lord Mountbatten, links him to the sexual abuse of the inmates of the notorious Kincora Boys Home
It includes an account by two then residents of how they were driven to Mountbatten's residence in Mullaghmore and sexually abused by His Lordship
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: prince andrew
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 24 Aug 19 - 04:55 PM

In many ways Prince Andrew could be considered as the Len Fairclough of the Royal Family.

Subject: RE: prince andrew
From: Mrrzy
Date: 23 Aug 19 - 10:44 PM

I do creep a bit sometimes, Doug...

Also, one needs proof to *convict,* not to *accuse*.

Subject: RE: prince andrew
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 23 Aug 19 - 02:44 PM

TAITORS and TRAITORS
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: prince andrew
From: Iains
Date: 23 Aug 19 - 02:34 PM

I find it difficult to separate this argument with the other current one that it is ok to exile so-called terrorists who went off to fight Assad
On lot deserve a trial - the other doesn't, apparently
Seems a little imbalanced to me.

What is so difficult about it? The terrorists have by their own words and actions condemned themselves.
Even Ireland has 36 people actively being considered for revocation of nationality, including one presently in jail in the US for terrorism offenses
Australia has revoked 20 since 2014.
The UK 150 since 2010

Who in their right mind would want to encourage traitors within their midst? We have more than enough remainiacs.