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BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings

Backwoodsman 12 Sep 19 - 07:27 AM
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 12 Sep 19 - 07:27 AM

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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 12 Sep 19 - 07:44 AM

Do you believe that East Europeans are lawless then, Al? Dead simple question. Nothing to do with what people have said or where anyone lives. A simple yes or no will suffice.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 12 Sep 19 - 08:13 AM

"is there a policy on this thread just to ignore the troll mouthpiece? "
A large part of the country have been shown to be racist Al - between a quarter and a third of them
You, like Johnson, Moogie and Gove, are refusing to respond what is actually happening and are hiding behind the people to help you ignore the mess Britain is now in and likely to be in deeper and for a long time
You dismiss the facts as just facts - unimportant
I really did think better of you
Jim


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: Iains
Date: 12 Sep 19 - 09:41 AM

The Belfast High Court dismisses no-deal Brexit challenge.

Miller's case fails because Parliament demonstrates it can act quickly when minded too.Hence totally undermining the argument that Parliament needed more time(as if 3 years is not long enough.) e.g. The speed last week with which a bill was passed to cripple the freedom of action of the PM.

I do enjoy seeing factual content totally rebutting your asinine arguments labelled as trolling.I see you call all brexiteers racists as well. You all really need to learn the correct meanings of words and expand your vocabularies beyond the gutter.
When all you can produce is nonstop criticisms and insults it is clear you have no sensible arguments.You know what they say:You are on target when the flak gets thickest! For the last three years you and your ilk have faithfully followed the game plan designed by Goebbels. BUT! We can all see through it. No matter how much noise you make, or how many posts you manage to get deleted, you are a minority and you lost the referendum. Yet you continue, in your arrogance, to act as though you won.
I still await the day you justify your insults and manage to refute my arguments.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 12 Sep 19 - 10:11 AM

I know I shouldn't really but there are times when the temptation is too great.

It's working a treat chaps. Keep it up and I think we will witness the online equivalent of apoplexy before long :-D


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 12 Sep 19 - 10:37 AM

"It's working a treat chaps"
'Tis indeed, though I think your missing the permanent apoplexy
A bit like when Pat was taken to see Lucia Di Lammermoor and was asked, "What did you think of the mad scene?"
"What mad scene?", she asked
Jim


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 12 Sep 19 - 10:50 AM

Just as a general point, it might be a good idea if we stopped actually naming dead Nazis in posts criticising other forum users. As Dick Gaughan said on his sadly-demised website, in his advice to forum users, it's fine to call living people Nazis - as long as they actually ARE Nazis. On the whole, the practice gets us nowhere. Just a thought.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: Raggytash
Date: 12 Sep 19 - 11:12 AM

Anyone got any GOOD news about Brexit itself.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: Iains
Date: 12 Sep 19 - 12:05 PM

It is nice to see our proposed 35 billion contribution being put to good use. In Poland The retirement age has been brought back to 65 years of age, for men and 60 years, of age, for women. The previous government had introduced a phased increase of the retirement age to 67 years by 2020 for men and by 2040 for women.
Meanwhile back in Blighty we have the lowest pension in Europe and work the longest to get it

IN 2017 Britain was the second largest contributor to the EU and Poland the largest beneficiary(by a country mile)Source

The above is even more blatant misuse of funds than the CAP.
Embarrassing things facts.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: The Sandman
Date: 12 Sep 19 - 12:09 PM

if johnson revokes article 50 and then calls an election, if he wins the election with a majority, he could, then trigger article 50 again , then he can possibly leave the next day?, because the extension does not have a minimium limit. he would not have to say for two years because the 2 years is apparently a maximum time.
i mention this because this is just the machiavellian type of trick johnson might try to pull


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 12 Sep 19 - 12:13 PM

I've just had a deja vu...


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 12 Sep 19 - 12:21 PM

" it might be a good idea if we stopped actually naming dead Nazis in posts criticising other forum users."
Tend to agree Steve, after all, those guys aren't around any more to defend themselves from such comparisons :-)
Jim


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 12 Sep 19 - 12:56 PM

These are the kind of people the Leavers have put their shirts on.

And they wonder why we think they’ve let themselves be conned....


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 12 Sep 19 - 02:37 PM

Jays - don't they look at hom behind bars Bacckie
Fingers crossed
Jim


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 13 Sep 19 - 06:42 AM

Why be told what to do by unelected bureaucrats in Brussels?


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 13 Sep 19 - 09:20 AM

One of the best, and most unexpected analyses of Brexit I heave come across so far
Cor blimey - you could’a knocked me dahn wiv a fevver
Jim Carroll

Irish Times, this morning

HISTORIAN SAYS BREXIT BEING DRIVEN BY A ‘CRAZY NOSTALGIA’ FOR THE PAST
Max Hastings says those keen to exit E.U. need to realise that Britain is no longer important
Ronan McGreevy

Max Hastings, a former newspaper editor and now a historian, accused Boris Johnson and his government of being ‘completely indifferent’ to the fate of Northern Ireland in the Brexit debate..
Britain is not an important country any more and Brexit is being driven by an “almost crazy nostalgia” for the past, the historian Max Hastings has said.
Mr Hastings, who specialises in military history, said Brexiteers were leading “a dash for the past” for Britain in the belief that the country was somehow better before.
“They think that they can rebuild the Britain of the past and that will be great for Britain. I don’t share that view at all,” he said.
“Britain is not an important country any more and we are going to find it difficult. I never suffer from nostalgia. I never kidded myself that it was better to live in the second World War or to live in the time of Downton Abbey. ”
Mr Hastings is a former editor of The Daily Telegraph newspaper and was Boris Johnson’s editor when the now British prime minister was its Brussels correspondent. He said his former newspaper, which supports Mr Johnson, and others in the Brexit-backing press have allowed their papers to act “recklessly and irresponsibly” when it comes to the issue of the UK leaving the EU.
He told RTÉ’s Today with Seán O’Rourke programme that he had not changed his view that Mr Johnson was “wholly unfit” to be prime minister.

‘Falsehoods’
“Boris Johnson is peddling a budget of falsehoods and unfulfillable promises which I fear will lead us into terrible trouble,” Mr Hastings added.
“I keep hoping for the sake of our poor country that things would turn out better than I feared they would, but so far there is not much evidence of it.”
In his early days as a reporter, Mr Hastings was based as a correspondent in Northern Ireland.
He accused Mr Johnson and his government of being “completely indifferent” to the fate of Northern Ireland and the British government’s policy towards the North is being driven by “sheer insouciance and carelessness”.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: Iains
Date: 13 Sep 19 - 09:45 AM

Mr Hastings posts but an opinion with zero facts to back up his assertions(like someone else who posts with monotonous regularity here)

Interesting finding in the Belfast court case trying to scupper brexit.

    “Neither NIA 1998 nor the international treaty scheduled to the Belfast Agreement (or, for that matter, the Agreement itself) has the effect in law of requiring the continued membership of the EU on the part of the UK. In his judgement Lord Justice McCloskey thoroughly slapped down the spurious arguments that the Belfast (Good Friday) Agreement hinges on membership of the European Union

    The Supreme Court was alert to this in Miller: Furthermore, none of the sources mentioned subjects the EU 27 to conclude an Article 50 Withdrawal Agreement in any particular terms.”

    “Once again, neither the Belfast Agreement nor this suite of provisions was predicated on the basis that UK membership of the EU would continue forever. Neither of them can be construed as requiring a customs Union or continued regulatory alignment. More fundamentally, there is no sufficient evidential foundation for the incompatibility assert"ed. There is no suggestion that the incompatibility has already materialised”..............
" Considered in their totality they point inexorably to the conclusion that these cases trespass upon the prohibited domain of the non-justiciable."

That finding has left egg on more than a few faces.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: Raggytash
Date: 13 Sep 19 - 01:46 PM

Selective copy and paste with no link.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 13 Sep 19 - 01:56 PM

Guido - who the hell do you think - his intelligence doesn't reach beyond that
In fact it is a typical distortion of the truth
The verdict was that it was political situation - not oe that could be decided legally
It was pretty much in line with the situation described by the woman legal expert of last night's interesting 'Question Time'
Jim


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 13 Sep 19 - 02:10 PM

I do wish you chaps would stop it. All that happens when you kick shit is that it spreads it about, causes a stink and makes a mess of your shoes!


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 13 Sep 19 - 02:29 PM

"I do wish you chaps would stop it."
Dave
With resprcy, I've been intending to comment alll day on last night's programme and how it impinged on this decision, which is what I did
I have no problem whatever helping Rag to learn the information (sic) put up was strate from the ling pen of our extremist right wing blogger with direct links to the British National Party
The more people know where this shite is coming from, the batter
Stop making an issue of it - you're drawing more attention to him than anybody else has
More later, when I've washed up
Jim


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: Iains
Date: 13 Sep 19 - 02:50 PM

The fact that it is that Guido tends to be ahead of the mainstream on things political because he has many feeds from inside Westminster. The cabal have yet to find any lies or misrepresentation on his site
but to prevent further nonsense, I will take great delight in giving you some links, if only to highlight the stupidity of some of your remarks.

https://www.thejournal.ie/belfast-case-boris-johnson-4805883-Sep2019/
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/sep/12/northern-irish-court-dismisses-case-against-no-deal-brexit

https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/uk-regions/northern-ireland/news/106487/northern-ireland-court-throws-out-claim-no-deal

https://www.irishlegal.com/article/high-court-three-challenges-to-brexit-strategy-found-non-justiciable

Strange the BBC thinks it not worthy of reporting, but like many items I post it goes against the narrative.

One moderator asks I supply links!
Another moderator deletes many of my posts containing links!
Tis a funny old world!


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 13 Sep 19 - 03:13 PM

I wasn't looking forward to last night's 'Question Time' - always foung Norwich a tad redneck - what a pleasant surprise
A number of the audience appeared a bit fed up with Brainless Boris's idiocy, but there was not a single voice in favour of what the Government were doing
Fiona Bruce (much better than Dimbleby) won my heart forever when, after one questioner trying his best to get an answer from the Brexiteer businessman about Brainless Boris's criminal behaviour, she said - "Leave it at that - you're not going to get anything from him - take it from me"
The two Brexers were humiliated by the other speakers hands down - wonderful stuff
The DUP sectarian has the nerve to deny that the bung they were given wasn't to buy their votes (maybe he had an eye on another one

The icing on the cake was when not one of the audience supported thuggish wife beater Boycott's being on the Honours list - not one !!

I halw wished one would, explaining that it might help expose the fact that these honours are meaningless back-slaps for the Hons and Debs - from the wealth to the wealthy
Enjoyable night (with Rush to look forward to)
Jim


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 13 Sep 19 - 06:02 PM

It wouldn't, in my opinion, be too much of a stretch to say that, but for Jim and Raggytash, Iains would be long gone.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: peteaberdeen
Date: 14 Sep 19 - 02:28 AM

if it hadn't been for cameron he wouldn't have been here at all. mind you , nor would we. the whole of the uk dragged into this stupid tory argument. we are all to blame for getting involved. even if the tory party implode we will all still be stuck in the arguments for years - all remainers, squabbling. given that this is our inescapable fate we must learn how to do it with a lot more respect, wit, compassion and 'who-gives-a- fuck-anyway' than we have managed so far


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: Iains
Date: 14 Sep 19 - 03:22 AM

the whole of the uk dragged into this stupid tory argument.
Nice try at deflection but simply not true, as you know.

Howsabout this?
Blair:( 20 April 2004)
"The British people will have the final say on the proposed EU constitutional treaty in a referendum."

Labour election manifesto in 2005.Blair promises: "We will put it [the constitution] to the British people in a referendum.

He reneged on the deal as did the Broon.

Labour promised twice to have a referendum but did not follow through.
To argue it is purely a Tory problem is obviously nonsense.
Terrible things FACTS! This is the same Labour party demanding an election constantly over the last two years and when offered one twice
immediately ran away.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 14 Sep 19 - 03:29 AM

I note that the ghastly Cameron is blaming Johnson and Gove for, well, just about everything...


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 14 Sep 19 - 03:38 AM

I agree with Steve's comment of 13 Sep 19 - 06:02 PM, Jim.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 14 Sep 19 - 04:00 AM

Let's move on
I've taken to watching late night Sky News programmes lately and I watched an interesting debate on Brexit last night which was chaired by the the historian on Question time
It made me realise what a depressingly divided and damaged country my late home has now become - I can't see my wanting to ever visit it again
People are now openly lying about everything
So many people seem to be ignoring the dangerous use which is being made of Populism which is swinging Britain further and further into the arms of the Extreme right
Not one speaker dealt with the rise of racism because of its use in the election - even the decent ones are talking about the paper thin majority ad 'democratic', which it most certainly was not
One twat claimed the referendum a "massive majority in favour of leaving" hen it was a paper-thin anomaly which even Farage never expected - even the decent members of the debate didn't challenge him
What's happening to Britain - isn't it enough that the politicians are the laughing stock of the Planet without the rest becoming so ?

"Iains would be long gone."
Dream on Steve - he has vomited his filth on this forum far longer than we
became the sole commenters on his behaviour
Anybody as impervious to the contempt he has earned with his extreme and insulting behaviour as long as he has been, is not going to move off, and the Mods are obviously going to do nothing to clean up this forum
If he behaves in Staffordshire as he does here, I doubt if he has anybody to talk to there - we are all he has - work it out for yourself
Jim


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 14 Sep 19 - 04:10 AM

I repeat my previous comment.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: peteaberdeen
Date: 14 Sep 19 - 04:20 AM

since WW2 there has been a general consensus in the west to unite, to make treaties and attempt to keep the peace and keep the trade flowing, for growth and prosperity - for the already wealthy, obviously. this capitalist version of 'progress' allows obscenities like grinding poverty in the south, like the proxy wars we fight in poor countries, like the gross exploitation in poor countries to provide us with the shit we feel we need to validate our existence. and of course w must spend countless trillions of dollars on weapons of war and expand the reach of the (mostly us) military. we spend far more weapons than we need to solve all the problems of health, education and security for everyone on the planet. (this is all one with the climate emergency we now face as the above has moved on to a destruction of the planet led by crazed neo liberal and fascist leaders but that is probably an argument for another thread)

my old man read the daily mail for maybe 75 years til he died at 93 a couple of years back. it rotted his mind. he used to cut pictures out of, say diane abbott getting out of a car, cherie blair looking a mess or harriet harman stealing our taxes to show us. he couldn't understand why we weren't impressed, as all his family were of a far more positive/feminist/green/left mindset. anyway, like many of us he was completely sucked into this adversarial, PMQs interpretation of politics where a politician's appearance meant everything - all explained for him through the lens of the daily mail. he was an old soldier who never fought in the war but kept an abiding distrust of foreigners and was an instinctive brexiteer. of course, he voted to leave though lied to his family about where none of his 6 grandkids had any time for that shit as they are surrounded by friends and partners from many parts of the world. they are also aware of the importance of unity and peace and the environment as the only really important things in these dangerous times. 'our house is on fire but most of us aren't bothered' - someone else will fix it.

(to attempt to return to the point) here in the uk the european question has split the tories since thatcher times. occasionally grubby little fascists like farage and various bnp/edl/nationalist groups try to divide us and make the situation worse. cameron's crime (and blair too as Iain says above) was to fail to deal with these depressing messages from the far right other than by trying to appease them with a referendum. our politicians have consistently apologised for immigration rather than celebrated it; they have supported war rather than fought for peace; they have been intensely comfortable with the very wealthy rather than pursue equality; they have messed about (eg PFI) with our precious public services and are now actively trashing them. to add insult to injury when the banks crashed they were bailed out with public money. by - ffs- a labour government.

we are where we are now - in a mess. and really the petty squabbles about brexit - whose fault it is? - are really silly and the sort of thing that would have exercised my dad if he wasn't reading about the vegetables on corbyn's allotment or whether megan markle was killing the royal family. my opinion is that our faults on a larger scale i went on about above are what has caused brexit - that and our leaders complete failure to offer a more positive vision for our country and the planet.

while we can all see that johnson/corbyn/trump/gove is a dick. does it really matter? (though mogg/IDS/farage are on a different level of hideousness altogether) - shouldn't we be looking away from this horror show to a more interesting, hopeful and colourful future. (with greta thunberg, caroline lucas, chris packham, alexandria orcasia-cortez, naomi klein etc) it's going to be a hard fight but we may have a chance if us old gits could manage to die off before we have finished our job of trashing the planet entirely.

sorry for going on - i just woke up this morning read some naomi klein and thought - i've been getting really bored and pissed off with the whole brexit thing but it doesn't really matter much - far more important to look at the poverty in this country and everywhere and fight climate change - green new deal is the only way, innit?


i got a bit


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 14 Sep 19 - 04:21 AM

"I repeat my previous comment."
Don't bother Dave and stop prolonging giving him the attention you keep sayin he wants
Jim


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 14 Sep 19 - 04:41 AM

So, what you mean, Jim, is that everyone should stop discussing it apart from you and after you have had the last word? Fair enough. Feel free to carry on dancing to his tune. No skin off my nose but we all know who's responses are feeding his need. Have the last word. I guess I need to ignore both sides of the exchanges rather than just one.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 14 Sep 19 - 04:53 AM

Well it is a brexit thread, Pete, but I fully share your sentiments. Every day I wake up to this continuing insanity.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 14 Sep 19 - 05:10 AM

"So, what you mean, Jim, is that everyone should stop discussing it apart from you "
Ill make a donation to a named charity if you can point out where I have entered int discussion with him - I use his contradictory vicious idiocy to underline his stupidity and the stupidity of Brexit - no more
If the mods are going to put up with their being described as "politically biased" and their deleting his offensive postings as "censorship" and on occasion "fascist" he is with us as long as the mods decide they want him here
We need to face that fact ans deal with it as best we can
I'm not prepared to stay silent while he uses threads like this as a propaganda hate site sor Tommy Robinson and his brother-in- hate, Paul Staines - sorry
Jim


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: Iains
Date: 14 Sep 19 - 05:48 AM

Good to see the usual idiocy at play. Attack the messenger because the message is unassailable.
Classic argumentum ad hominem

It is all you remainiacs have to fight with!

Here again for your delectation and delight are some self evident truths, namely we brexiteers won the referendum and expect to see it delivered.
Leave         17,410,742         51.89%
Remain         16,141,241         48.11%

51.89 TRUMPs 48.11 Only one vote more is required in a democracy.

After all Fiona Onasanya, the former jailbird, wearing an ankle tag, voted against a No Deal Brexit, which lost by one vote. Her vote.’
Should that vote be retaken, did she breach her curfew by voting, should we let the people decide?


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 14 Sep 19 - 06:30 AM

I don't know how to be plainer, Jim. First, he can't use this as a hate propaganda site because if nobody looks at it it isn't very good propaganda. I'm guessing that no more than three or four people here ever read his posts. I'm not one of them any more. Now let's predict what will happen if:

Nobody reads his posts

Nobody mentions him

Nobody falls into the trap of seeming to be responding to any point in his posts

Nobody mentions the mods in the context of his posts

Nobody falls into the trap of responding to his occasional "seemingly-reasonable" posts (he always reverts to type within minutes).

See what I did at 03.29. I followed his post as quickly as I could with something entirely unconnected. That's the way to show him that we are blanking him. In the short term he'll become even more shrill, even more neurotic, even more insulting and even more irrational than he is now. Let it all sail on by. One of two things will then happen: he'll get sick of talking to himself and evaporate away, or the mods will see how well we've isolated him and strike him out. It's all about outcomes, Jim, outcomes.

This will be followed by a silly ranting post from him. Well, now that I've said that, it might not happen. But this is the very last time I'm going to refer to him in any way at all. Let him stew, Jim. His idiocy is actually on display to very few people, and if you let it rile you then it makes you a sucker. I only said "if" there, note. I've tried, dammit, I've tried. On this topic, it's over and out from me.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 14 Sep 19 - 06:33 AM

"Staines has four alcohol-related convictions including two for drink driving. In 2002, Staines was banned from driving for 12 months for drink driving. ... He was banned from driving for three years, as well as being given an 18-month supervision order and wearing an electronic tag for three months."
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 14 Sep 19 - 06:55 AM

Sorry lads
The sheer imbecility of accusing someone of criminality and defending a fourfold criminal in the same posting was really too good an opportunity to miss
Won't happen again
Jim


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: Iains
Date: 14 Sep 19 - 10:13 AM

I did not accuse Fiona Onasanya of criminality, it was the Crown Prosecution Service that brought the prosecution. Onasanya was found guilty on 19 December 2018 of perverting the course of justice for lying to police to avoid being prosecuted for speeding. She unsuccessfully sought to secure permission to appeal the conviction. Her expulsion from the Labour Party, effective in December 2018, was announced in January 2019. On 29 January 2019 she was sentenced to three months in prison. She was removed from office on 1 May 2019 after a successful recall petition, automatically triggered in cases of a custodial sentence of a year or less, under the Recall of MPs Act 2015, prompting a by-election, making her the first MP to lose their seat through this process.
On 12 March 2019, Onasanya voted against the Government's Brexit withdrawal agreement, leading to its defeat in the second "meaningful vote". This was reported to be her first vote in the House of Commons since her release from prison and the first occasion that a MP voted while wearing an electronic tag
It always is useful to check your facts, lest you appear stupid.

The remainder of your drivel is simply attacking the messenger rather than the message. Do you not all get bored by such puerile activities.
Here is something Guido posted that will not make the headlines:
Labour's Anti-Semitic conference fringes Tsk, tsk!!!!


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: Raggytash
Date: 14 Sep 19 - 10:57 AM

In my defence Steve, I was making an observation not commenting on what was posted or replying to it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 14 Sep 19 - 11:55 AM

As long as we all know what to do. Enough's enough, eh?


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: Iains
Date: 14 Sep 19 - 01:33 PM

Rats in a sack boyos, you are behaving like rats in a sack!


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 14 Sep 19 - 02:20 PM

Another Tory joins the Tories - oops, sorry, I mean the LibDems...


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 14 Sep 19 - 02:55 PM

"I was making an observation not commenting on what was posted or replying to it."
Me too
It seems a lost opportunity to waste such perpetual idiocy
Otherwise I agree totally with the Mod who advised that we "treat it like a fart"
Occasionally I like to reprimand my fart when it has been a particularly bad one

One for the joke thread
Trump was attending a Royal dinner at Buck House when Madge lets off a skirt-lifter of a fart
A gentleman a few seats down the table stood up hurriedly, apologised profusely and quickly walked out of the room
Trump whispered (loudly) to his neighbour, "What's with him - she dropped it?"
He was told, on occasions such as this, a gentleman always takes responsibility for such mishaps".
Five minutes later Madge drops another one.
Trump stands up and says, "It's OK ma-am - this one's on me"
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: Iains
Date: 15 Sep 19 - 08:08 AM

A truly shocking indictment of the Mother of all Parliaments.
Brought about directly by the rogue speaker and those that cannot accept the referendum result


Comres poll findings.
The poll showed that Remain voters were fed up with MPs, with 73 percent of them saying Parliament is in desperate need of reform, compared to 85 percent of Leavers.
The results also show that 73 percent of all voters believe that Parliament does not attract the brightest and best, and that as an institution it puts political point-scoring above the interests of the country.

“To say that Parliament is in desperate need of an overhaul is a gross understatement,” said ComRes’s chairman Andrew Hawkins.


In a boost to Boris Johnson, 59 percent agreed there should be an election if the Labour/Remainer “surrender bill” to force another extension of EU membership succeeds.
In the week that John Bercow announced he is to step down as Speaker, the findings are a damning indictment of his decade-long tenure and confirm that the divide between Parliament and the people is at crisis point.

It follows a shambolic end to Parliament which saw anti-Brexit MPs singing songs and waving placards in the chamber.

Last week, BBC Question Time audience member Charlie Neil received an ovation when he told panellists: “You’ve had three years and three months, and you’ve done nothing but argue among yourselves like little kids.

“You’ve got no respect for each other and you’ve got no respect for the British people.
Just go away.”

ComRes’s Mr Hawkins said that the disillusionment was sparked by Parliament’s failure to deal with those trying the thwart the 2016 Brexit result.

Remainiacs would happily trash democracy rather than accept the very clear fact that they lost the referedum.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 15 Sep 19 - 08:20 AM

Liberal Democrats at thei Conference are planning to scrap leaving Euope indefinitely without a Second Referendum and concentrate of repairing the damage done by this fuck up

David Cameron has revealed that Borish Johnson has never supported Brexit but decided it was a way of repairing his pathetic image
The fluttering sound of chickens coming home to roost is becoming deafening
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 15 Sep 19 - 01:53 PM

Camerons confessions seem to have sent the Klarts straight into the fan
Thieves falling ut - all great stuff - beats Downton Abbey any day
Jim


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 15 Sep 19 - 02:04 PM

So Cameron tells us, accurately, that Johnson and Gove are both massive gits (we didn't need to be told, actually, call-me-Dave). What he doesn't tell us is that he's the most massive git of all. Prepare to be massively lied to about why he called that massively disastrous referendum.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 15 Sep 19 - 05:36 PM

And the pink Tories (oops, sorry, "LibDems"), that ragbag collection of protest-vote winners and ex-disaffecteds, have decided that when they win a majority (some time in the twenty-second century if they're lucky), they'll overturn brexit in summary fashion. Which puts them at odds with Labour, the Welsh Nats, the SNP and the Greens. Ditching a potential alliance that could get rid of the Tories. Handing the election to the Tories on a plate. Well they've done it once, and they're Tories in all but name, so why should I be surprised? Useless bunch of tossers.


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