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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: DMcG
Date: 20 Sep 19 - 06:08 AM

I find it mildly amusing that if the ruling goes against the Government they can appeal - to the ECJ.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: DMcG
Date: 20 Sep 19 - 06:04 AM

That is supported by a point raised in the closing remarks for the government yesterday. They said that if the court were to rule the prorogation were illegal, that should be its limit: it should not rule on what should happen next.

An interesting consequence of the Scottish Court decision what that the prorogation should be 'null and void'. That means it should be as if prorogation had never happened. As a result, the ability to prorogue would be as it was before the prorogation happened, and so there would be no obstacle to proroguing again immediately.

Given that the case has - in my interpretation - hinged on whether if illegality arose it did so from the duration or the claimed motivation of preventing scrutiny, I would be surprised if the Supreme Court decided it was illegal because of an attempt to prevent scrutiny but left open the route to do precisely that again.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 20 Sep 19 - 05:34 AM

Boris Trump-Johnson, on a self promotion romp in Wiltshire yesterday, told reporters (he managed to recognise them this time) that he would not rule out closing down Parliament again next month
He would wait for the outcome of the Appeal Court's findings before deciding anything
It appears that if this appeal fails he will be given carte blanche the right to crown himself Emperor of Britain
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: Iains
Date: 19 Sep 19 - 01:49 PM

Instead of our industries pissing off abroad like the Dysons of this sick world or simply collapsing, perhaps they'll fare better in the hands of those who actually do the work rather than just leech of it
Hope it's not too late and we actually have any left industries after this sorry xenophobic-created mess


More drivelling nonsense!
Let us take an example of British Leyland, where the unions thought they ran the show. Mr Edwards,was a veteran of corporate confrontation; his chairmanship of the British Leyland group was one of the definitive battles against trade union dominance in British industry. He was appointed in 1977 a year in which Leyland had lost production of 250,000 cars through industrial disputes. The shop stewards thought that with a Labour government they had the whip hand and could force Edwards to back down. BIG MISTAKE. He did not! They caused the loss of both factories and jobs and the company survived to fight another day.
I suppose you think that canny entrepreneurs like Dyson and Branston leech off the workers, yet their perspicacity actually created all the jobs. You obviously know absolutely nothing about business, but as you were but a sparky this is hardly surprising. If letting the workers control everything was the panacea you claim it to be it would be in worldwide use with clever people like Dyson and Branston leading the pack. Sensible people recognise the stupidity of the idea, hence it is not practised.

The UK is the second largest manufacturing country in the EU and still ranks number 6 in the world so to talk about Britain having any industries left is rather a silly statement.

Perhaps you need to add fact checker along with spellchecker to your Christmas list.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 19 Sep 19 - 01:14 PM

It seems Madge has just handbagged Cameron for telling tales out of school
It seems nobody loves this dreadful minority Government any more, including many of it's own members
Bout time it was put out to grass - one Britain clears up the devastation it has caused, of course
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 19 Sep 19 - 08:22 AM

Whatever the outcome to today it seems to be a case of U.K. - RIP
Wales has appealed against Johnson, a Northern Ireland representative has described the devastating effect all this will have on the Good Friday Agreement and Scotland has already won their case back home
No organisation of States can possibly survive that
Add to this Cameron's confession that he attempted to influence the Queen on the Devolution Referendum - you have Britain going to war with itself
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 19 Sep 19 - 05:59 AM

May as well repeat this heer

Never thought I'd agree with this man -

Sir John Major has compared Boris Johnson to a dishonest estate agent,
saying that he had “ulterior motives” when he prorogued parliament.      
The former Tory prime minister,       whose lawyers will intervene today at the Supreme Court, has said in written submissions that Mr Johnson’s decision to suspend parliament was “unlawful”.
He argued that Mr Johnson’s justification for prorogation to bring forward       a new legislative programme “makes no sense and cannot be the true explanation”.
In a clear suggestion that Mr Johnson should not be believed, Sir John wrote that it would be “artificially naive” for the court to accept the prime minister’s stated reasons for the prorogation.

Talk about thieves falling out
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 19 Sep 19 - 05:29 AM

"left industries "
Freudian slip - we can but hope
I meant industries lef, of course
"British Justice a farce"
Thate - you have it from the donkey's mouth
Jim


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 19 Sep 19 - 05:01 AM

Fabulous news
Labour is beginning to reverse Blair's destruction of its principles with a re-establishment of Clause Four
Instead of our industries pissing off abroad like the Dysons of this sick world or simply collapsing, perhaps they'll fare better in the hands of those who actually do the work rather than just leech of it
Hope it's not too late and we actually have any left industries after this sorry xenophobic-created mess
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: Iains
Date: 19 Sep 19 - 04:59 AM

And it's apparently placing itself above the law by attacking the courts in case their judgement goes against the Coup

Freedom of speech is guaranteed by article 9 of the Bill of Rights 1689: `freedom of speech and debates or proceedings in Parliament ought not to be impeached or questioned in any court or place out of Parliament'.

I see no ambiguity in article 9. The court case is a farce


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 19 Sep 19 - 04:26 AM

He was there to be seen on camera and attempted to create the impression he wasn't - that was a lie, albeit politicians lie
Doesn't make the slightest difference to the main point Mac
Having silenced Parliamentary activity at a time like this, this feller is poncing around self promoting
LOOK FAMILIAR !!!
Meanwhile his vicious supporters are shrieking when a member of the only real opposition party points out what has happened to his daughter on the very day of Johnson's visit
The black shirts would really have been on display if Labour had gotten off their bums and organised political activity to stop this insanity
I hope to christ they get their arses into gear and organise some real opposition before the cliff-edge gives way
Having been criticised for speaking to Lord Haw-Haw, I think it's times like this when they are needed to show us exactly the nature of the sewers we are having to wade through
Since when has demanding answers from your elected representatives been considered AMBUSHING, especially when it concerns the health of a member of your own family ???
THis gets sicker and sicker (as does the child, apparently
Jim


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: DMcG
Date: 19 Sep 19 - 04:05 AM

I agree it was a photo op created to pass a message *to* the press, Jim. But if the photographers were hired by his PR staff he may have thought of them as 'my staff' rather than 'the press'. But we are talking about what might be going on in the mind of a third person, so it is obviously very uncertain. I was simply saying I could imagine a way where it is not an outrageously blatant lie, but a more human failing.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 19 Sep 19 - 03:52 AM

And it's apparently placing itself above the law by attacking the courts in case their judgement goes against the Coup
Creepier and creepier
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 19 Sep 19 - 03:50 AM

It seems you are not allowed to critices Herr Johnson if you happen not to agree with him
THis gets more and more sinister
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-hospital-brexit-nhs-cuts-labour-activist-parent-whipps-cross-a9111261.html
You will only be entitled to comment on the state of hospitals if you support the New Order
This is an attept to silence all opposition - inside and outside Parliament
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 19 Sep 19 - 03:37 AM

It was obviously a deliberately set up photo-opportunity Mac - he wasn't at Whipps Cross visiting his mam
He was actually challenged (a more and more apt word as far as Johnson is concerned) by the irate father on why he should have been using a hospital for publicity which had caused his daughter such problems because of poor treatment
He obviously panicked and deliberately lied, saying there was no media there
Sky news showed film of the event
Whatever the level of coverage, it was a piece of self promotion held at a hospital that has obviously fallen victim to the present situation

One of the most outrageous aspects of this whole situation is that Dominic Cummings (the mover and shaker of most of this) has encouraged/ordered him to close Parliament at a time when our politicians need to be discussing a national (even international) crisis and what exactly is the self-appointed dictator of the UK doing -
Maria Callas-like diva impressions in Europe by flouncing off and refusing to talk to the press and friggin' self promotion jaunts around failing hospitals
Wonder were he's doing to hold his rallies - Trafalgar Square's far too small
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: Iains
Date: 19 Sep 19 - 03:31 AM

Time for judges to butt out of politics. A reasoned argument, unlike the preceding hysterics( I read the"father" was miked up ahead of the ambush of Boris- a bit of Déjà vu methinks)


https://www.spectator.co.uk/2019/09/judgment-day-the-danger-of-courts-taking-over-politics/?utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=WEEK%2



Sky News's tweet - ""What do you mean there's no press here ...
https://www.trendsmap.com › twitter › tweet
11 hours ago - @BorisJohnson was confronted by a Labour activist during a visit to a hospital .... Anothe ambush on behalf of the left. ... He was there visiting his critically ill daughter but ”father at the hospital with his sick daughter” ... A Labour activist who just happened to be mic'd as well ???? ... he was microphoned up.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: DMcG
Date: 18 Sep 19 - 06:29 PM

I am hardly one to leap to the defence of MR Johnson's approach to governing, and nor do I have much criticism of the parent's complaints, but on this one the PM may be being treated a little unfairly. What people are calling a lie is more likely a 'category error': when he says 'the press' he is thinking of the Telegraph, Times and the Guardian, the Mirror and the Sun, and when moving to wider media the BBC, ITV, CNN and the rest. It is press conferences and and podiums. So a few people with cameras - and I can't find out who they were - probably are not enough to count as 'the press' in his mind. For people with a less public profile, a person carrying a video camera beyond the consumer level probably says 'press' to us.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 18 Sep 19 - 06:08 PM

Johnson sinks to new low in lying when confronted by irate parent on photo opportunity visit to hospital
Talking about his sick daughter's inadequate treatment at Whipps Cross Hospital, our gallant PM was told he has no right to use hospitals for media opportunity political gain when they are in the state they are in
JOHNSON LIED - IN FRONT OF A PRESS CAMERA - THAT THERE WAS NO MEDIA PRESENT
You really could not make this level of idiocy up - Britain really is in safe hands with these moron mental deficiants
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 18 Sep 19 - 01:23 PM

If it was my choice Brexit would be taken of the table and used as a the bum-wipe it deserves rot be, but that's not going to happen
Jim


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 18 Sep 19 - 12:40 PM

It seems to me the only way out of this is to remove non-elected minders like Cummins, allow Parliament to return asap and agree some sort of coalition, approach Europe for at least a year's stay of execution to sort our a provisional compromise with the elements which have caused the now known problems (particularly those involving the growing increase in racism), and after a long, open discussion to put to the people to see if they wish to reaffirm or withdraw their original decision
The damage and slits done to the various communities has to be a priorityn
Nobody can then say they haven't had a chance to vote based on information and experience
If the decision remains unchanged - duck
The alternative seems to be decades of disruption and conflict and an extremely damaged country
An unattainable long shot maybe, but what alternative is there ?
This nonsense has to be nipped in the bud soon
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: DMcG
Date: 18 Sep 19 - 12:01 PM

*he talks


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: DMcG
Date: 18 Sep 19 - 12:00 PM

There simply is no such thing, no matter how the Brexit-Brigade wish for it.

I agree, but it will not be a matter of wishing for it. It will be another promise. What's another lie, after all? Farage was at the vote in the EU today spelling out what no deal means from the EU's point of view and the consequence to the UK, but I imagine it will slip his mind when we talks to the public.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 18 Sep 19 - 11:19 AM

But a ‘clean break’ is nonsense, According to an ex-official of the Brexit Dept. There simply is no such thing, no matter how the Brexit-Brigade wish for it.

Another pig in a poke Dom & Dumber have sold them.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: DMcG
Date: 18 Sep 19 - 11:04 AM

Trouble is, John, every single complaint that brexiteers come up with can be dismissed in seconds

Only when they are arguments. I was talking to someone earlier today who voted remain but would support anything including no deal because she 'just wants it all over'. Yes, I know whatever path we take it won't be over for decades, but that siren call of 'get it all over with a clean break' appeals to many, I fear.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 18 Sep 19 - 11:02 AM

Not only control over non-EU immigrants, Steve. We have control over EU immigrants as well. See the Full Fact article detailing how. Once again though, our government choses not to. Nothing to do with the EU.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 18 Sep 19 - 11:02 AM

Spot-on Steve. But, of course, it’ll fall on deaf Brexiteer ears.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 18 Sep 19 - 10:47 AM

Trouble is, John, every single complaint that brexiteers come up with can be dismissed in seconds:

"We need to take back control"... what of ? Our borders that we have got full control over when it comes to non-EU immigrants but which we don't bother to control? Our money, of which the princely sum of one percent of our GDP is actually tied up with the EU and which affords us the benefits of tariff-free trade with by far our biggest trading partner across invisible borders? Our laws, the ones having anything to do with the EU having been overwhelmingly agreed to by mutual consent - bearing in mind that our domestic laws have nothing to do with the EU and that we are free to run our lawmaking and judiciary in any way we like? Our sovereignty: any brexiteer care to tell us, in this era of May being FORCED to consult parliament and Johnson being in court for trying to bypass parliament, what "sovereignty" the EU is stealing from us?

"Ever-closer union": not without our say so. As one of the largest member states we can veto any moves in that direction that we don't like.

"There'll be a European army"...impossible whilst we're members. We've vetoed it. Of course, when we leave it'll probably happen!

"Unelected Brussels bureaucrats dictating our laws"... a profound lie. The Commissioners (a body to which we belong) suggest laws and regulations which are either adopted by common consensus or put to the ELECTED European Parliament. No unelected bureaucrat has any power to enforce new laws or regulations on anyone.

Any more for any more, brexiteers? Don't forgot to tell us how things will improve if you get your way, please! And by the way, if you want to moan about gravy trains and inefficiencies, which I heartily agree are present, don't forget to tell us how we are any better in this country now and how things will get better if we'll leave.

To quote the mighty Raggytash, and in a nutshell, any good news yet about brexit?


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 18 Sep 19 - 10:12 AM

Would this Dominic Cummings, who has been ‘given formal powers to sack Cabinet Ministers’ advisors’, be the same kind of ‘unelected bureaucrat’ that Brexiteers declared themselves so fed-up with being told what to do and when to do it by?

WTF happened to Dom & Dumber’s very own battle-cry, ‘Take Back Control’? Oh, of course - they’ve given control to...... errrrrmmmmmmm.....an ‘unelected bureaucrat’!

You couldn’t make it up. And if you did, nobody would believe it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 18 Sep 19 - 09:59 AM

Incidentally
THe heroic Ms Khan was sacked for her pert in the heinous crime of passing on the findings of a report which revealed that people needing vital medicines might not be able to get them when they needed them, that people whose jobs relied on a free flow of transport to and from Europe, might well find themselves out of a job within three weeks, and that anybody protesting about it could be part of a "civil disorder" problem and end up banged up in one of Johnson's new jails
Rather than being " frogmarched out of Downing Street by an armed police officer", she merits a medal for her services to humanity and those attempting to conceal such information deserve to be put in a pillory in Trafalgar Square and have excrement thrown all over them for the rest of their disgusting and miserable lives
In my opinion, of course !!!
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 18 Sep 19 - 09:20 AM

Interesting sting in the tail regarding dominic Cummings been given gestapo-rights because he is said to be the "architect of Brexit"
The architect of Britain's

From 'Farming Independent, August 14th 2019
Vote Leave Brexit campaign and the senior advisor to Boris Johnson has been labelled 'a hypocrite' after it emerged a farm he co-owns received more than £200,000 in EU subsidies.
Dominic Cummings' farm received CAP farming subsidies that he described as "absurd" before the Brexit referendum. According to the UK's CAP Beneficiary database, the Durham farm Mr Cummings co-owns with members of his family received around €20,000 per annum for a number of years.


These people are pulling our collective pissers
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: Iains
Date: 18 Sep 19 - 09:00 AM

Sonia Khan was sacked after a leak of plans for a secretive Privy Council meeting for the Government to ask the Queen to suspend Parliament for a month in the run-up to the planned Brexit day on October 31.

Any compensation would revolve around her guilt or innocence. If guilty summary dismissal is entirely reasonable.

Jumping to conclusions and making wild allegations such as :
We can only hope Ms Khan Mr Khan takes up her option to sue the arse of these goose-steppers before they extend their grip to the rest of us
is wild, hysterical nonsense, and deeply insulting to the 17.4 million that won the vote for brexit to happen.

As usual no proper reasoned argument, just the usual string of insults
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 18 Sep 19 - 08:18 AM

Sorry Mac - was so angry I didn't notice your posting
Jim


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 18 Sep 19 - 08:16 AM

Dominic Cummings has been given formal permission to sack advisers to cabinnet ministers
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/dominic-cummings-boris-johnson-cabinet-minister-aides-civil-service-sajid-javid-a9109836.html

British Parliamentary Democracy is now in the hands of Johnson's Gestapo
The move follows the furore over the dismissal of Sonia Khan, an aide to the chancellor Sajid Javid, who was frogmarched out of Downing Street by an armed police officer last month.
This is a scene familiar to all of us fans of films of wartime Germany
We can only hope Ms Khan Mr Khan takes up her option to sue the arse of these goose-steppers before they extend their grip to the rest of us
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: Iains
Date: 18 Sep 19 - 07:16 AM

Of course those that do not like the way Boris is behaving have a very easy solution. This was offered twice to the opposition, by way of a General Election. On both occasions the opposition chickened out.
Why was that do you suppose? Could it be they know they would be thrashed?

Your perpetual whining is rather comical as you have not the courage to rectify your complaints. How pathetic is that?
You are all acting like a lettuce that has been left out in the sun for a week, limp and vapid!


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: DMcG
Date: 18 Sep 19 - 06:44 AM

Dominic Cummings: Boris Johnson aide given formal powers to sack cabinet ministers' advisers


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 18 Sep 19 - 06:11 AM

It has not been disclosed how many of the women who resigned did so to escape Johnson's 'gropey' proclivities
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 18 Sep 19 - 05:43 AM

Whatever the figure, you need to add the 43 cabinet or government ministers who went before Johnson shat on the Parliamentary scene
Among the three women who resigned together, Anna Sourby wone my heart fror describing Nigel Farage as "looking like someone who has inserted his finger up his bottom and is rather enjoying it"
She can have my babies anytime
Jim


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 18 Sep 19 - 05:07 AM

Opposition parties resisting government policy with all their might is absolutely why we have a multi-party system in the first place, the keystone of our democracy. I note that the word "rebel" has been massively employed in recent weeks to characterise pejoratively every MP who doesn't support the Boris line. The correct term for them is opposition, not rebels. I suppose the 21 (or have I lost count) Tories who defected might justifiably be called rebels, but even then I wonder whether you can still be a rebel when you're not even in the party. Words make good weapons. I note that a recent much-overused Cummingsism, popping up in just about every Johnson pronouncement, is the reference to "our friends and partners in the EU." Repeated use of mantra-words is an attempt at brainwashing. Resist!


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 18 Sep 19 - 03:31 AM

That last was a reference to the DUP, of course
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 18 Sep 19 - 03:28 AM

"No politicians who has behaved as he has can never be allowed to stand as leader again, "
Having given this a bit more thought, I think it needs refining
Politicians who have behaved as johnson and his army of zombies have should be permanently disbarred from becoming involved in politics again
They have deliberately betrayed those who elected them by damaging the institution that give people their only say in how our lives are organized - the electoral system
We vote for those who we wish to represent us - Johnson has seized the right to dismiss them if they get in the way of his ambitions and intentions
He has deliberately lied to both Parliament and to the people; he probably lied to the queen
He has hidden facts on medical supplies, food, jobs, the future of industries in Britain, transporting goods... his whole technique is based on a string of lies and secrecy
His party commissioned an enquiry on what might happen after a hard Brexit, it was hidden from the public, it was said to be out of date, now it is claimed to have been sorted

Most politicians lie but few base their carers on it, as the otherwise unelectable Clown that is Johnson has
No-one who is even suspected of behaving as he obviously has is fit to be involved in representing the British people, let alone being a national leader

He doesn't have to worry about being out of a job - I have little doubt that he would be welcomed with open arms, with its reactionary and archaically conservative history.
If they gave Mad Enoch a seat, Barmy Boris would be dragged through the front door
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: Iains
Date: 18 Sep 19 - 02:00 AM

This not only goes against the Constitution, but is in fact illegal

opinion not fact!

The bill of rights clearly states: Debates or proceedings in Parliament ought not to be impeached or questioned in any court or place out of Parliament'

I fail to see how the court action can possibly succeed. The judiciary are playing with fire.

"the key issue is about “justiciability”, or whether the prime minister’s use of the royal prerogative should be subject to legal scrutiny. The Judicial Power Project at the thinktank Policy Exchange has argued that judges are usurping parliament’s powers through excessive “judicial activism”

This constant recourse to law in recent times cuts both ways of course.?
Can a law be passed when the Queen's consent was not granted?
Can a rabble pass laws in Parliament when they have no accountability.
This latter point is further strengthened by the argument that twice the rebels were offered an election to give legitimacy for their decisions. Twice they refused. In essence the majority of MPs constitute a rogue parliament in opposition to the will of the people.

The inescapable conclusion is that the rebels are very happy to thwart the minority government wish for an election because they know full well, that should an election take place, they would end up with no mandate from the people.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 17 Sep 19 - 08:43 AM

Incidentally
The argument has been that attacking Johnson is attacking the British people
If you believe that this turd in any way represents Britain, or anything other than his oen ambition, you have a far lower view of Britain than I do
He is a self-promoting right-wing extremist using the British People as his Stairway to the Stars - nothing else
Jim


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 17 Sep 19 - 08:39 AM

The only surprise AFAIC is that anyone is surprised.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 17 Sep 19 - 08:31 AM

"Well, Jim, it'll take an election to find out whether Johnson really represents Britain."
Having watche the opening shots of the appeals, actually it won't Steve
The appeal is that Johnson has breached hia authority as PM and has placed himself above the rule of parliament for political and personal purposes
They argue that the period for which parliament was closed is unprecedented and thet Johnson has lied when he clams it was common practice; that it was, in fact, to prevent Parliament debating a nationally important subject in order to over-ride it
This not only goes against the Constitution, but is in fact illegal
Johnson was expected to provide an opening statement explaining his actions - he has not done so
When asked what he will do if the decision goes against him, he says he will see what that decision is
This smacks of a political coup which, if successful, will be out of the hands of the electorate
One way or the other, either the courts will decide whether he is fit to represent Britain or he and his cronies will
No politicians who has behaved as he has can never be allowed to stand as leader again, especially as he has openly undermined the British legal system
He has behaved exactly as Trump has in the US - he is dismantling British democracy and making it fit his own extremist, perverted political outlook
He is rapidly becoming an openly out-of-the-closet fascist with his little army of insignificant nodding dogs backing him
The world has been here before - in my lifetime
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 17 Sep 19 - 05:49 AM

I don't agree with you and I've responded to you.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 17 Sep 19 - 05:38 AM

Have just PMd you Steve
I thing the penultimate posting above makes my and your PM points perfectly, don'y you
Jim


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 17 Sep 19 - 05:24 AM

Well, Jim, it'll take an election to find out whether Johnson really represents Britain. Only a few mostly-white, mostly-rich, mostly-male Tories have so far voted for him. And the next few weeks will be a very long time in politics. He hasn't put a foot right so far. Can you see this unprepared oaf improving that situation?


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 17 Sep 19 - 04:38 AM

"Of course, Johnson's idiocies will go down only too well with those unfortunately large numbers of brexiteers who are feeble-minded, bigoted and ignorant."
Many of these are as much victims of Brexit as much as those who oppose it
We are all suffering now from this stupidity - think how bad it's going to get if it ever gets through
If Johnson and his circus represents Britain , then Britain has become a feeble-minded, viciously misogynist and racist place, devoid of humanity - that's what Johnson and his junta has proved themselves to be over and over again
I prefer to think of my birthplace as far superior than that, but of course, everyone views ther home-place with fondnes and respect - very different from Brave New Brexit
Jim


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 17 Sep 19 - 04:21 AM

The ads are getting more intrusive and more strident. I can't think that Joe would approve the one that split my last post in two - something about passion, a large photo of a crucifix complete with the nailed-on Christ and a caption urging me to make her "scream all night..."

I wasn't ignoring what Johnson is trying to do, Jim, and I agree with your post. I've made plenty of comments to that effect. Mrs Steve doesn't post here, but if she did she'd confirm the amount of ranting and raving at the telly I did during those news bulletins yesterday. Of course, Johnson's idiocies will go down only too well with those unfortunately large numbers of brexiteers who are feeble-minded, bigoted and ignorant.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: peteaberdeen
Date: 17 Sep 19 - 03:34 AM

mods - didn't like it when ads started to appear in the threads on mudcat. however, this morning i find 2 ads asking me to define my personality on what kind of gun owner i am? what the fuck! do you have any concept of how offensive this, particularly in the uk? do you have no control who advertises on here? once we start to normalise the idea of gun owning we may as well give up...


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