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Duos - Discriminated against again

GUEST,Jerry 26 Sep 19 - 05:31 AM
GUEST 26 Sep 19 - 05:04 AM
GUEST,Jerry 26 Sep 19 - 05:03 AM
The Sandman 26 Sep 19 - 05:03 AM
Jack Campin 26 Sep 19 - 03:46 AM
GUEST,FloraG 26 Sep 19 - 03:03 AM
GUEST,CJ 25 Sep 19 - 10:43 AM
Stilly River Sage 25 Sep 19 - 09:25 AM
Mo the caller 25 Sep 19 - 06:28 AM
GUEST 25 Sep 19 - 06:07 AM
GUEST,FloraG 25 Sep 19 - 05:52 AM
banjoman 25 Sep 19 - 05:45 AM
JHW 25 Sep 19 - 05:10 AM
GUEST,FloraG 25 Sep 19 - 05:07 AM
The Sandman 25 Sep 19 - 04:22 AM
Backwoodsman 25 Sep 19 - 04:05 AM
Joe Offer 25 Sep 19 - 03:53 AM
Acorn4 25 Sep 19 - 03:50 AM
GUEST,FloraG 25 Sep 19 - 03:38 AM
BobL 25 Sep 19 - 03:08 AM
GUEST,FloraG 25 Sep 19 - 02:52 AM
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Subject: RE: Discriminated against again
From: GUEST,Jerry
Date: 26 Sep 19 - 05:31 AM

I rather think that was Flora’s original point - your first paragraph.


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Subject: RE: Discriminated against again
From: GUEST
Date: 26 Sep 19 - 05:04 AM

Whether two people are viewed as a duo, and therefore ‘one act’, at a ‘session’ might also be affected by whether the norm for that session is that everyone joins in with a number if they know it. If that’s the case, the second of the two people, joining in, is just being a normal member of the session even if they are adding something that no one else is, or is capable of, adding. If no-one else normally joins in then the second person is likely to appear to be part of the ‘act’ and the two people will appear to be a duo whether or not they are adding a specific accompaniment, harmonies or just singing in unison.   (I have read that, despite the Copper Family, harmony singing was not usual in tradition English music so perhaps adding harmonies should not be the main criterion.)

That still doesn’t address the question of whether it should always be one song/tune per person or per act but it might go some way to explaining the reasons why, at a particular session, a decision is taken.


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Subject: RE: Discriminated against again
From: GUEST,Jerry
Date: 26 Sep 19 - 05:03 AM

I agree with Jack, in that a jump in session allows you to share the performance with the audience better. If you go around the room in turn, you inevitably get several unaccompanied ballads one after the other, or conversely several almost identical tunes one after another, simply because kindred performers tend to sit together, if only for moral support. Otherwise, the best idea in the posts above must be to sit well apart from each other..


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Subject: RE: Discriminated against again
From: The Sandman
Date: 26 Sep 19 - 05:03 AM

Flora wishing you a speedy recovery get well soon


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Subject: RE: Discriminated against again
From: Jack Campin
Date: 26 Sep 19 - 03:46 AM

This kind of thing is why I don't like singarounds very much.

"Jump-in" session/singarounds tend to share the venue with an audience, and putting on a performance they'll appreciate is a large part of the aim. Who performs what next is decided by what's most effective in the moment, and the idea of having the right to that time slot would be just plain nuts.


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Subject: RE: Discriminated against again
From: GUEST,FloraG
Date: 26 Sep 19 - 03:03 AM

Thanks for all the comments. I'm on chemo at the moment so it takes a lot of effort to get anywhere and then to be ignored!
FloraG.


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Subject: RE: Discriminated against again
From: GUEST,CJ
Date: 25 Sep 19 - 10:43 AM

Make a point of sitting on the opposite side of the circle to your husband.


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Subject: RE: Discriminated against again
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 25 Sep 19 - 09:25 AM

If Flora asks to be treated as an individual and take a turn like other individuals, her marital status has nothing to do with it.


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Subject: RE: Discriminated against again
From: Mo the caller
Date: 25 Sep 19 - 06:28 AM

I was at a Folk festival in Nantwich some years back at a round-the-room type session, and there was a German band there (brass band, accordion band, I can't remember). Not sure if they had come for the festival, they didn't seem particularly folky. They were asked if they would like to play something and introduced it as a Suite. After the first tune, they started the second and someone muttered about it being 1 tune each, but they were overruled as a) it was a Suite, b) there were a lot of them (they probably outnumbered the rest). Fair decision I think, though it put the organiser in an awkward spot as it wasn't quite what most had expected to hear.

I take the point about medleys, maybe OK if others are expected to join in. Otherwise maybe '1 tune each or a medley between you'. But some songs have more verses than others, too.
Most of the clubs I've been to have given couples a tune each, though actually a lot of the things I go to are 'jump in' and most people are careful to let others get their turn. It can be a pain when someone 'hogs' a session (and we all know someone who does).


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Subject: RE: Discriminated against again
From: GUEST
Date: 25 Sep 19 - 06:07 AM

In the UK, the Equality Act (2010) is designed to protect people from discrimination based on certain ‘protected characteristics’:

    Age
    Race
    Sex
    Gender reassignment
    Disability
    Religion or belief
    Sexual orientation
    Marriage or civil partnership
    Pregnancy and maternity

You’ll note that couples being forced to perform as duos in folk clubs is not among them.


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Subject: RE: Discriminated against again
From: GUEST,FloraG
Date: 25 Sep 19 - 05:52 AM

That sounds fine. I would be more than happy with that.
When I run sessions I think I do much the same. I think I was probably being a bit Bolshy last night by saying no, but it happens too many times that we get half the opportunities to play/ sing or none at all.
FloraG


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Subject: RE: Discriminated against again
From: banjoman
Date: 25 Sep 19 - 05:45 AM

I tend to agree with Flora as we were a duo for many years but each capable of doing a solo spot. Perhaps the answer is to advise the person running the event that you are two individual performers, Then if Andy requests someone accompanies his song then you can jump in.


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Subject: RE: Discriminated against again
From: JHW
Date: 25 Sep 19 - 05:10 AM

Time runs out in FCs. This side of the sea we still have closing time.
Round the room everyone gets a song or tune. A couple usually get two (though a pair of musicians will often do two medleys). As time runs to a close an organiser or mc has to find a way of winding up and may leave some folks out altogether and yes ask a couple could they just do one. Happened last friday.
On monday a foursome played two songs each time they were asked, their decision, no stipulation.


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Subject: RE: Discriminated against again
From: GUEST,FloraG
Date: 25 Sep 19 - 05:07 AM

I know all my husbands songs - so can play an intro and/or sing along to the chorus. Its not being a duo - its being married for a long time. We don't do clever harmony singing - which I would expect from a duo. ( Not sure we are clever enough for that).
If we are asked to do one thing only between us - who gets the turn? Is it worth me going if all I do is the above? I find we increasingly don't go to clubs that do that.
We are happy to do one between us if the end is nigh - and the thing has been around a few times - but its us volunteering that - not being told by the organiser. Why discriminate against married couples who may or may not see themselves as a duo when others are not asked to do one between two?
FloraG.


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Subject: RE: Discriminated against again
From: The Sandman
Date: 25 Sep 19 - 04:22 AM

The organisers of both events are getting one thing right , the event was well attended.
The most important thing about the first event was that it was a memoriam concert, somebody was being remembered?
why was the second event short of time?
when events run short of time there must be a reason, so the root of the problem needs to be sorted, why is it running short of time did performers turn up late?


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Subject: RE: Discriminated against again
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 25 Sep 19 - 04:05 AM

I agree with Joe. I know several duos where one sings, and the other plays an instrumental accompaniment. I regard them as one 'act' who should get the same number of songs as if they were a solo performer.

If both sing, two songs per 'turn' would be fair.


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Subject: RE: Discriminated against again
From: Joe Offer
Date: 25 Sep 19 - 03:53 AM

If you sing individually, then each should get a turn. But if you sing one song together, then that might well be considered to be the one and only turn for the both of you.


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Subject: RE: Discriminated against again
From: Acorn4
Date: 25 Sep 19 - 03:50 AM

It's a tricky one. At our club we give duos a turn each but if we're running out of time near the end sometimes ask them just to do one so we can get round.

We are a duo ourselves and make sure we lead by example on this.

Where it gets tricky is trios, quartets - 52 piece male voice choir...


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Subject: RE: Discriminated against again
From: GUEST,FloraG
Date: 25 Sep 19 - 03:38 AM

Were not really a duo. We developed a local barn dance band and did quite well -with me calling and my husband playing the base. Not really duo material.
If were expected to do one duet - does that mean were still only worth half a solo singer?
FloraG.


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Subject: RE: Discriminated against again
From: BobL
Date: 25 Sep 19 - 03:08 AM

Surely the point of any partnership, including marriage, is that you can achieve more together than individually? That the whole is greater than the sum of its parts? Guess your repertoire needs a duet, something written or arranged expressly for two.


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Subject: Discriminated against again
From: GUEST,FloraG
Date: 25 Sep 19 - 02:52 AM

Went to a memorial sing around last week. There were lots there so the organiser said if duos could only do one rather than asking everybody if they could keep it short.
My husband and I were regarded as a duo so I didn't even bother to tune up. Went home without contributing.
We went to a sing around last night and they were short of time to get everybody in the last round so we - as the only married couple there - were asked to do one between us. I said no - why not ask all the other contributors to do one between two.
Any thoughts!
FloraG


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