BS: UK General election December 12 2019

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 22 Dec 19 - 09:45 AM

The election is over.

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 22 Dec 19 - 09:41 AM

They have the wrong person in charge and now they want to have that cow who sounds like somebody's cleaner!!!

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Iains
Date: 22 Dec 19 - 06:07 AM

I am sure there are sections of the Government that have as little respect for the Queen's Speech role in setting out what the Government will do as they have for the rest of the constraints on the executive.

If you do not like it I suggest you purge labour of the yobbos of momentum and the marxists and take back control of the party. As an opposition they are a veritable waste of space. As it stands you are powerless to even introduce commas into the proposed legislation.

I do not regard that as a healthy situation for anyone!

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: DMcG
Date: 22 Dec 19 - 05:26 AM

It shall come to pass depite your lefty screeching.

Quite possibly. But that does not alter whether it was in the Queen's Speech. I am sure there are sections of the Government that have as little respect for the Queen's Speech role in setting out what the Government will do as they have for the rest of the constraints on the executive.

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 22 Dec 19 - 05:11 AM

Saw that Raggy. I agree with you.

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Raggytash
Date: 22 Dec 19 - 05:01 AM

Backwoodsman, I have linked to an article about this on the broken government pledges thread. As one of the mantras of the right was "take back control" I consider this sale to be a broken pledge.

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 22 Dec 19 - 05:00 AM

In the immortal words of Al Jolson - “You ain’t seen nothin’ yet!”

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 22 Dec 19 - 04:56 AM

What was that horse-shit the Brexit-Bunch were rattling on about - something about ‘Taking Back Control’?

Only a week after winning the election, the Self-Servative government starts selling off our defence systems - Cobham sold for £4 billion to Advent International, a US Private Equity Firm (who will, no doubt, titivate it up a bit and sell it on at a huge profit to any old Tom, Dick, or Vladimir).

Take Back Control my arse.

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 22 Dec 19 - 04:55 AM

But trying to link new security measures with trying people who wish to stay in the EU for treason is probably even a stretch for the GAP himself. Probably best left to the spokesman from the now disgraced UKIP party who made the remark in the first place.

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 22 Dec 19 - 04:47 AM

No probs D. The comments were still valid. My last post was referring to the comment Of course updating the treason laws was in the Queen's speech and, as you point out, there was no such statement made. But as it was a supporter of the liar in chief who made the comment I suppose we shouldn't be surprised.

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Iains
Date: 22 Dec 19 - 04:46 AM

Oh Dear! You can lead a horse to water..................

The Independent
New treason laws, enforced registration for “foreign agents” and toughened powers under the Official Secrets Act are being considered by the government.

Measures announced in the Queen’s Speech were framed as a response to the Salisbury novichok attack, but advocates for the historical crime of treason have focused on British Isis fighters.

Boris Johnson told parliament that the proposals were “developed to tackle hostile activity conducted by foreign states”.

Keep up with the narrative boyos. Whether you believe it or not is a total irrelevancy
It shall come to pass depite your lefty screeching. We won! Remember?

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: DMcG
Date: 22 Dec 19 - 04:30 AM

Apologies for giving the wrong link, folks. All my initial checking was against the text of the Queen's Speech as published in the Daily Mail, as it happens. But I decided that the link I actually published should be to the official version, and that is where I picked up the wrong link.

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: The Sandman
Date: 22 Dec 19 - 04:29 AM

and the brexit supporters talk about democracy and conveniently ignore Scotland and their democratic rights and ignore the fact that under proprtional representation the electoral comnut that labour and lib dems [let alone greens or plaid cynmru acheived]outnumbered the conservatives , there were more people voted for labour and lib dems.
tell democracy to the people of scotland, and stop telling lies about democratic rights , bloody hypocrites

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 22 Dec 19 - 04:17 AM



Of course it wasn't.

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: DMcG
Date: 22 Dec 19 - 04:16 AM


The Queen's Speech
…
Measures will be developed to tackle hostile activity conducted by foreign states



Measures by foreign states are not treason, sorry. None of the other commentary was in the Queen's speech.

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Iains
Date: 22 Dec 19 - 04:11 AM

TheGuardian:
Spying There are proposals to significantly beef up existing espionage laws in the aftermath of the novichok nerve agent attack in Salisbury. One plan under consideration is to adopt a form of registration for foreign agents, updating the Official Secrets Act and treason laws. This is to make it tougher for adversaries operating in the UK.

The Times
Britain’s archaic treason laws could be updated to enable the prosecution of those who leak secrets to “hostile states”. The move comes amid concern about the activities of Russia and China in the West.The government announced in the Queen’s Speech that it was “considering the case” for updating Britain’s 650-year-old treason laws as part of a new espionage bill.

The Journal IE
The British government will look at whether the Official Secrets Act needs overhauling in the wake of the Salisbury chemical weapons attack as well as considering whether there is a case for updating the treason laws.

The Queen's Speech
My Government is committed to a fair justice system that keeps people safe. My ministers will establish a Royal Commission to review and improve the efficiency and effectiveness of the criminal justice process. New sentencing laws will ensure the most serious violent offenders, including terrorists, serve longer in custody. New laws will require schools, police, councils and health authorities to work together to prevent serious crime. My Government will ensure those charged with knife possession face swift justice and that the courts work better for all those who engage with them, including victims of domestic abuse. Legislation will be brought forward to support victims of crime and their families. Measures will be developed to tackle hostile activity conducted by foreign states.

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 22 Dec 19 - 04:07 AM

Your link seems to be to the October one D but the comments still apply. Hopefully this is the most recent

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: DMcG
Date: 22 Dec 19 - 03:52 AM

Of course updating the treason laws was in the Queen's speech, but the lefties are so busy spitting bile they probably missed it.

I am not spitting bile, but here is the full text of the Queen's Speech, courtesy of the Government website.

The word Treason, as in Treason Act, is not in it.   Perhaps you would highlight the sentences where you think it says the Treason Act will be amended?

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Iains
Date: 22 Dec 19 - 01:58 AM

Happy Brexmas!!!


The 12 days of Brexmas

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 20 Dec 19 - 02:28 PM

I think tattoos will be compulsory but they will not be flags. More likely a series of numbers on the forearm.

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 20 Dec 19 - 02:13 PM

I don't have to cast any net. I just have to google the first few words of anything in your posts that looks remotely literate. It confirms your dishonesty in parroting out right-wing tripe as your own opinion, routinely failing to credit your copy and pasting. We already know that you're an alt-right plant here. We now see that you have no actual opinions of your own. What a shambles.

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Iains
Date: 20 Dec 19 - 02:07 PM

From: Steve Shaw - PM
Date: 20 Dec 19 - 01:10 PM

The vast bulk of the post at 12.14 PM Is a straight lift from Daily Express, once again unattributed by this poster.


Garbage. Shameless, shameful garbage.

Oh well here you can have the same from the guardian. July 2018

Renew treason laws to jail enemies of the state for life, says thinktank
Policy Exchange report says Britons who betray nation through acts of terror should be dealt with as traitors."

Of course updating the treason laws was in the Queen's speech, but the lefties are so busy spitting bile they probably missed it.

No fool like old fools!

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Iains
Date: 20 Dec 19 - 01:51 PM

I guess recent events have forced the ex schoolteacher to cast his net beyond the Guardian. There is hope yet!

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: peteglasgow
Date: 20 Dec 19 - 01:39 PM

we could have 'traitor' tattooed on our foreheads while waiting trial for treason. though that would be fascism. and anyone guilty of advocating stuff like that would be guilty of hate speech and barred from any online forum

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 20 Dec 19 - 01:26 PM

”It also means those in future actively working undemocratically against UK through extreme EU loyalty.”

There is quite a long list of those allegedly conspiring with the EU to frustrate Brexit.
Trying them all for treason seems a good idea to me.
Reasserting sovereignty and taking back control, and a whole rake of prisoners in the tower into the bargain. Stirring times!”

Garbage. Shameless, shameful garbage.
‘Semen’ Staines must be very proud of you - probably choking the chicken in celebration right now.

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 20 Dec 19 - 01:10 PM

The vast bulk of the post at 12.14 PM Is a straight lift from Daily Express, once again unattributed by this poster.

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Mossback
Date: 20 Dec 19 - 01:03 PM

Tattoos? How about Decals

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 20 Dec 19 - 12:53 PM

Will patriotic flag tattoos be optional or compulsory...???

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Iains
Date: 20 Dec 19 - 12:14 PM

Boris is said to be reviewing the Treason Act. It needs it.
Longstanding Leave campaigner David Campbell Bannerman, who is also a former UKip deputy leader, made his comment in a Tweet which reflects growing public anger at the way some leading Remainers have taken the side of Brussels in the Brexit negotiations.

Mr Campbell Bannerman Tweeted: “It is about time we brought the Treason Act up to date and made it apply to those seeking to destroy or undermine the British state.

“That means extreme jihadis. It also means those in future actively working undemocratically against UK through extreme EU loyalty.”

There is quite a long list of those allegedly conspiring with the EU to frustrate Brexit.
Trying them all for treason seems a good idea to me.
Reasserting sovereignty and taking back control, and a whole rake of prisoners in the tower into the bargain. Stirring times!

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 20 Dec 19 - 10:18 AM

DMcG - enjoyed that song.. I don't think I've heard it before..

she patriotically did her bit to help the war effort...

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Iains
Date: 20 Dec 19 - 09:55 AM

Boris passes his Brexit bill by a resounding majority in the house.
He is getting Brexit done, as promised.

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Donuel
Date: 20 Dec 19 - 08:35 AM

Yes it is trajic but it is going to happen
https://www.cnn.com/videos/tv/2019/12/19/amanpour-tony-blair-brexit-uk-election.cnn

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: DMcG
Date: 20 Dec 19 - 08:05 AM

Off topic, but following from an earlier post: one of my favourite WW2 songs is The Deepest Shelter in Town. "White Cliffs of Dover" it is not. And perhaps it did make some the men who they are...

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 20 Dec 19 - 08:00 AM

From: Steve Shaw - PM
Date: 19 Dec 19 - 08:19 AM
Worst figures ever: A&E waiting times, only 75% of patients seen within four hours. The target is 95%.

Any source for that claim? Or is it just more opinion paraded as fact?

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 19 Dec 19 - 08:42 PM

Maybe you had to be here, robo.

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: robomatic
Date: 19 Dec 19 - 08:20 PM

A link to the New Yorker article on the vote. Based on a phone conversation with 'David Runciman, a professor of politics at Cambridge University.' It puts a lot of responsibility for Boris' win on you guessed it, Mr. Corbyn. He's getting the same standing for the current situation as Ms. Clinton has for the current occupant.

If you try the link and it's a paywall problem, let me know and I'll include some summaries.

Right this minute there's a live debate on PBS with only seven Democratic candidates and they are doing a good job of discussing issues and standings. Any one of them would be a good alternative to the current occupant.

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 19 Dec 19 - 06:36 PM

Steve - fer instance..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZlFBSRrSR0

When I was just a nipper, that's one of my dad's 78s that made me the man I am now...

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 19 Dec 19 - 06:22 PM

You do have a point. But he's poison. That's the trouble.

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 19 Dec 19 - 06:19 PM

Steve - yes.. obviously...!!!

.. 'he' [or 'they'] is probably that and more besides...
All the more to take the piss out of...

How would Britain have coped with the war if our grandparents didn't have a lively sense of humour
cruelly mocking h1tler and the n@zis...???

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 19 Dec 19 - 06:03 PM

He's no pantomime Tory, pfr. He's proto-BNP and he's a far-right plant. Know thine enemy.

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 19 Dec 19 - 05:59 PM

"Control of our money..."

Do you actually know how much of our money is tied up with the EU, Al? Well, it's approximately one percent of our GDP. That's it. Yes we are net contributors, as we are one of the larger and wealthier members. But our poorer regions (Cornwall, where I live, for example) and our farmers, who benefit from large subsidies, get some of that money back. Once we leave, the farmers will no longer get that money and the country will be in danger of turning into a huge country park. The poorer regions will no longer get those grants. The benefit of being a net contributor is that it smooths the path for easy trade deals with EU countries via the goodwill that will now be lost, and we contribute to the stability and the maintenance of democracy in those countries, a massive benefit over half a century of the common market/ EC/EU. You've swallowed the Tory brexit bullshit hook, line and sinker, Al. And you'll realise it sooner rather than later.

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 19 Dec 19 - 05:46 PM

DtG - life is shit and I need a laugh...
and a pantomime tory is as good a distraction as anything...

.. this is BS after all.. not a safe space...
Let's leave cancelling and shouting down to the immature young folks...

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 19 Dec 19 - 05:16 PM

The only reason he keeps crowing is to wind you up. You know the drill, John. I know you will keep feeding him PFR and you have your reasons but maybe you can give the rest of us a break?

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 19 Dec 19 - 04:11 PM

"Well if the fanatic fantasists of the hard left had accepted the referendum results and not attempted a parliamentary coup"

Iains - errmmm... don't you mean the Liberals...
who are a pain in the arse for both left and right...

and a fair few Tory wets as well who caused there share of delays for brexit..


But of cause, anyone slightly left of Lord Snooty of ye olde Somersetshire
is a raving lefty as far as you are concerned...

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 19 Dec 19 - 03:57 PM

Well you’re notorious here for your 180-deg reversals and self-contradictions, so I shouldn’t be surprised, but going from “We don’t need to crow” to “Revenge is a dish best served cold” in a single move beats them all.

Get help before it’s too late.

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Iains
Date: 19 Dec 19 - 03:46 PM

"So why have you crowed so much since 13/12/19, not to mention gloated?"

Well if the fanatic fantasists of the hard left had accepted the referendum results and not attempted a parliamentary coup,I might feel a little more forgiving.


But..... Revenge is a dish best served cold

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 19 Dec 19 - 03:09 PM

Well I was paying attention Al, and I was working in the mining and mining engineering industries which you bewail and bemoan the loss of. And I’m telling you, they weren’t destroyed by the EC (as it was then), they were destroyed by a clash of political ideologies in the UK in the case of the mines, and by underinvestment and shitty industrial relations in the case of the mining engineering industry.

You know, you keep on playing the victim, pissing and moaning about being ‘patronised’ and ‘insulted’ by those who disagree with you, but how patronising and insulting do you think you are when you constantly claim that you are the only one who lived and worked through the collapse of our major industrial base and you were the only one who ‘paid attention’?

Give your head a wobble and take a good look at yourself.

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 19 Dec 19 - 02:59 PM

Al I didn't accuse all brexiteers..

just the most nasty and hostile minority of fanatics..

[however large that minority is..]


Who won't let ordinary reasonable remainers and brexiteers try to patch up differences
and become friends again...

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Donuel
Date: 19 Dec 19 - 02:57 PM

"There’s only one thing more disgusting and nauseating than a bad loser, and that’s a bad winner.

And the WORST winner is the more disgusting and nauseating Boris than than bad loser Farage. ?

You guys are funny

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 19 Dec 19 - 02:48 PM

Well control of our money for a start. No more bloody patronising grants to build a sculpture or a mechanical clock with figures in towns like Sutton in Asfield were they need jobs since the mines and the mining engineering and hosiery industries went west.

But control of many other things.

You're not going to agree with me, but this attitude that all these people are deluded fantasists is what lost Corbyn so many seats.

Its a delusion that started forty years ago and seems very real to those of us who have been paying attention.