BS: UK General election December 12 2019

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Stanron
Date: 12 Dec 19 - 03:15 PM

robomatic wrote: When it's all over, mop up the blood and come home

I would like to explain to our American friends that UK hard left, although a majority on this forum, is actually a minority in the country as a whole and a small minority at that. Their views tend to expressions of unpleasantness in different ways and this, in my opinion, reflects the fact that they know it's 'all been over' for quite a long time and they are unable to come to terms with this reality.

A group called 'Momentum' has managed to gain control of the Labour Party and moved it's agenda to the far left. They view the policies that allowed Tony Blair to win elections as betrayal of Socialist values and the MPs who supported them as traitors. This has split the party and more than a few of the old Mps have left.

Brexit has also split the Tory Party. The result of this election, only a couple of hours to go, will show which party has won the battle of the splits.

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Mrrzy
Date: 12 Dec 19 - 03:24 PM

Watching from Mrrica. Best wishes to you all.

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 12 Dec 19 - 04:08 PM

I would like to explain to our American friends that Stanron is what we call talking out of his arse. The Labour party is far from the hard left that our right wing faction here would have you believe. It is in fact modelled on the very moderate and successful Scandanavian social democratic model. The reason that they believe that Labour has moved to the left is that they have moved ebso far to the right they could be modelled on the 1930 national socialists. But you know all about that of course as your own president tries these tricks himself. Hopefully we will be rid of both our problems soon.

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Vic Smith
Date: 12 Dec 19 - 04:25 PM

Dave has nailed it in the previous post.

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Raggytash
Date: 12 Dec 19 - 04:45 PM

The vast majority of the Labour party is "slightly left"

As a nation(s) the UK is predominantly conservative, with a small c, as opposed the the Conservative Party, with a large C.

No extreme left wing party has ever existed for any length of time in the UK.

That is fact.

Despite what to me our rabid right wingers would have you believe.

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Steve Gardham
Date: 12 Dec 19 - 04:52 PM

At last, some Tories to cross swords with! Can one of you tell me, without attacking any other party, one positive outcome of the Tories getting back into power, pleeeeease?

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Donuel
Date: 12 Dec 19 - 04:57 PM

Any exit polls yet?

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Raggytash
Date: 12 Dec 19 - 05:06 PM

Short answer Steve ............. no.

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 12 Dec 19 - 05:10 PM

There are now. Very depressing.

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Stanron
Date: 12 Dec 19 - 05:11 PM

The current exit poll suggests a Conservative majority of around 50 seats, but this is just a forecast. There's about 45 minutes before the first actual result.

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Donuel
Date: 12 Dec 19 - 05:40 PM

My sympathy goes out to winners and losers alike. We are all losers in the final chapter. Trump is also a possible winner with his 'Russain" electoral college. Afterall its been a while coming since our Supreme court selected Bush as the executive WINNER.

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 12 Dec 19 - 06:07 PM

Exit poll predicts great news!!!

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: bobad
Date: 12 Dec 19 - 06:40 PM

It has become uncharacteristically quiet in here.

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Mossback
Date: 12 Dec 19 - 06:44 PM

It appears Trump's twin has won - God help Britain. Sincere condolences from across the pond.

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: bobad
Date: 12 Dec 19 - 06:49 PM

RIP Jeremy Corbyn's political career. I hear Hamas is hiring.

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: peteglasgow
Date: 12 Dec 19 - 07:07 PM

you clearly know fuck all about jeremy corbyn

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: bobad
Date: 12 Dec 19 - 07:10 PM

I know as much as the electorate does, obviously.

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: peteglasgow
Date: 12 Dec 19 - 07:53 PM

aye, he'll be leaving nae doubt. but hamas has nowt to do with it. he's clearly a decent man but that's not what is wanted these days. lets have total fucking eejits running the show for the benefit of their extremely wealthy friends. they can get the cretinous forelock-tuggers to give them a majority- those aging pond-life are always with us

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Donuel
Date: 12 Dec 19 - 07:56 PM

Bonzo, Now you will be busy as a three legged dog trying to bury Boris the turd on a frozen lake.

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 12 Dec 19 - 08:44 PM

As expected, the tories will always conspire to win by unfair means or foulest...

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 12 Dec 19 - 08:45 PM

As expected, the tories will always conspire to win by unfair means or foulest...

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 12 Dec 19 - 08:47 PM

ooh.. freaky posting glitch...

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Stanron
Date: 12 Dec 19 - 08:56 PM

I see an irony in this election result and I wonder if anyone else gets it. Jeremy Corbyn has always been fervently anti EU. As leader of the Labour party he was not allowed to promote his beliefs on this subject. He was forced to represent a party that was pro Europe. Had the Labour Party allowed him to promote his own anti-Europe beliefs it might have have had a much better.

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Stanron
Date: 12 Dec 19 - 08:58 PM

Stanron wrote: it might have have had a much better.

Should have read

might have had a much better result.

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: bobad
Date: 12 Dec 19 - 09:25 PM

Yep Stanron, he was trying to have it both ways. It brings to mind the old adage: "Oh what a tangled web we weave when first we practice to deceive."

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 12 Dec 19 - 09:40 PM

bob - yes bob.. of course bob... you are always spot on with your analysis bob..
There's no greater authority on anything than you bob...

All hail the mighty fount of knowledge bob...!!!

Got a difficult question, a perplexing problem.. ask bob...

He knows, you know...

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: bobad
Date: 12 Dec 19 - 09:53 PM

Thanks Punky, much appreciated.

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 12 Dec 19 - 09:55 PM

Doesn't Jeremy Vine get a lot of work. You'd think they'd employ a few more people. I get fed up with him doing everything.

As for Labour. Its very predictable what's happened. The tactic of filling facebook with insults has worked. Everybody insulted by them has voted for someone else.

Presumably it was some sort of directive from the top. Still. they like being in opposition. Just a pity for all the poot people who are stuck withe tories shitting on them.

Still, you've had your fun.

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 13 Dec 19 - 01:29 AM

Well deserved Tory majority after people see sense at last!!!!!

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Iains
Date: 13 Dec 19 - 02:18 AM

Will the lefties takes their larruping like men or squeal for ever more.
Tis a grand day for sanity and democracy. The sensible labourites crossed the rubicon and voted tory.

326 needed for majority
Boris Johnson, Conservatives 362
Jeremy Corbyn, Labour 202
Nicola Sturgeon, SNP 48
Jo Swinson, Lib Dems 11

Looks like all the smug pontificating lefties got a smack in the face with reality.
We brexiteers won the referendum and won the election.

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA


So red sails in the sunset for compo and a resounding endorsement for Boris.

What a fine Christmas present. Lemons all round for the lefties(snigger, snigger) After putting up with your perpetual whining on here concerning the referendum results your case has just been blown out of the water.

Democracy rules!!!!!! Live with it.

First job of the day is to privatize the BBC, it is nothing but a nest of vipers, though the dwarf'sface on TV was a picture. All his machinations came to nowt!

I might have to dance a little jig, I cannot wait to see the loony left's reaction!

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: DMcG
Date: 13 Dec 19 - 02:18 AM

So Jo Swinson has lost her seat.

Whether you think the elections results or great or terrible, it is worth spending a moment to remember we only had an election at all because Jo decided to lend Johnson the LibDem votes to let him call it.

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Joe Offer
Date: 13 Dec 19 - 02:37 AM

So, I think I can summarize the UK election this way: Our side is screwed.

Is there any hope in this, or has fascism triumphed in the UK? What's the future for the 2020 election in the US?

-Joe-

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 13 Dec 19 - 02:48 AM

It's a sad day for democracy when an election can be won on a campaign of deceit and cowardice. Still, it has been won and it is what we have. Some analysis suggests that now Johnson has a majority we will at least leave the EU with a deal rather than crash out. There is also a glimmer of hope that the working class support for the Tory party will lead it to become more moderate. We can but hope. The biggest silver lining though is that the Brexit party is finished and the ERG has had its teeth pulled.

Always look on the bright side of life...

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: DMcG
Date: 13 Dec 19 - 02:59 AM

Taking that a stage further, we have proven that a wafer thin manifesto, hiding from the electorate and any close examination of the manifesto and an intense diet of misleading social media posts is an effective way of winning elections.

So we already know what we can look forward to next time. Probably from all parties.

And, while the US tried this first, I am sure they will be happy with the confirmation of its effectiveness for their elections.

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Iains
Date: 13 Dec 19 - 03:13 AM

Centrist former MPs who abandoned the two main parties over what they said were their swings to extremes have all failed to be re-elected to parliament.

The four who stood for the Independent Group for Change – the former Conservative MP Anna Soubry, and the former Labour MPs Gavin Shuker, Chris Leslie and Mike Gapes – all lost their seats to candidates in their former parties on Thursday night.

Amid a sweep of Tory gains, the former Conservative ministers David Gauke, Dominic Grieve and Anne Milton, all of whom stood as independents after they had the whip removed for voting in parliament to a block a no-deal Brexit, also lost their seats.

The veteran politician Frank Field, who resigned from Labour this summer, lost in Birkenhead. The former Labour MPs who joined the Liberal Democrats – Chuka Umunna, Luciana Berger and Angela Smith – and former Tories to join the party – Sarah Wollaston, Sam Gyimah, Phillip Lee and Antoinette Sandbach – all failed to win.
Pride cometh before a "fool"
What a fantastic day!

How is the attempted coup progressing against the lawfully elected Trump?

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 13 Dec 19 - 03:21 AM

Like I said a few times before, politics has become a reality TV show. I despair at my fellow man at times but I know they are not bad or stupid. Not sure how we can get things back on track though. Maybe 5 years of Johnson on come strictly will cure the malaise?

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Iains
Date: 13 Dec 19 - 03:42 AM

Looks like momentum took the labour bus straight into a brick wall. There were few survivors!

Magic grandad's election manifesto compared favourably with that of foot
He fought the 1983 general election on a hard-left manifesto famously dubbed “the longest suicide note in history” and saw his party’s worst result since the first world war.

After his resignation, it took Labour 14 years to deal with the far left and rebuild itself until it was capable of challenging the Conservative Party.

Given the similarities between the two leaders and Labour being set for an even worse defeat than Mr Foot, Mr Corbyn might have just laid the foundations for 14 years or more of uninterrupted Tory government.

Whoopy Doo.

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Raggytash
Date: 13 Dec 19 - 05:10 AM

Today 3.8% of the working population have no job. A total of 1,218,000.

I wonder just what this figure will be in 12 months. Watch this space.

https://tradingeconomics.com/united-kingdom/unemployed-persons

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 13 Dec 19 - 05:21 AM

I have just thought of a Johnson-esque catch phrase. Remember long car journeys either with or as kids? Are we nearly there yet? How about every time we are confronted by a crowing Tory we ask "have we got brexit done yet?" . I'm sure it can keep us going for a few years yet!

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Jim McLean
Date: 13 Dec 19 - 05:25 AM

Just to remind some folk, the SNP won in Scotland. The Tories lost half their seats, Labour lost all but one and the Lib Dem leader lost her seat.

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 13 Dec 19 - 05:37 AM

Today 3.8% of the working population have no job. A total of 1,218,000.
I wonder just what this figure will be in 12 months. Watch this space.

On the basis that the rate has been falling almost continually since the Conservatives came to power in 2009 (although there was an initial increase continuing the previous upward trend) then I would expect it to remain low, or fall.


Graph here

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Raggytash
Date: 13 Dec 19 - 05:57 AM

Post again in 12 months Nigel. I hope you are right and that I will be proved wrong.

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 13 Dec 19 - 05:59 AM

Indeed, Jim. I can see there no longer being a UK at the next election.

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Donuel
Date: 13 Dec 19 - 06:32 AM

I keep tellin ya that the candidate that saturates emotions (good or bad) will influence minds more than the deliberate, calm and reasonable candidate. -in the short run-

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 13 Dec 19 - 07:55 AM

Yeah... the result is even worse than expected..

Happy Friday the 13th..

The North has confirmed the efficacy of intensive international far right internet propaganda..

A fair fight is impossible against tory dirty fighting tricks...

Turkeys will vote for xmas...!!!

But the one glimmer of consolation and hilarity is Jo Swinson got what she deserves...

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: robomatic
Date: 13 Dec 19 - 07:56 AM

This bodes well for The Current Occupant who is probably taking credit for it as we fume.

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 13 Dec 19 - 08:29 AM

Calm down lefty boys!!!!!

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: MikeL2
Date: 13 Dec 19 - 09:05 AM

Hi

I thought I had been having a lovely dream,,,

Corbyn , Jo,swinson and Anna Soubry   all gone .......


ooooh, and to cap it .....man United won 4-0

Oh wake me up PLEASE

Cheers

MikeL2

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 13 Dec 19 - 09:06 AM

Bonz - can't get any calmer than weary resignation in the face of unbeatable unfair odds..

At least your Boris [who we know you dislike] is as not a bad winner
as the likes of Iains in all his gloating triumphalist nastiness..

Decent tories must be ashamed of all the rotters, bullies, and arseholes in your party...???


But.. on the other hand at least Jo Swinson will never be PM...!!!

Even Boris the bounder is a more tolerable personality for the job...

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 13 Dec 19 - 09:22 AM

You know, PFR, I was just thinking that there is something worse than a bad loser. A bad winner!

Bonzo, read my post of 02:48 AM. Nothing to calm down from and, as far as I can see, no other "lefty boys" need calming down either. I think you need to direct your advice to your "righty" stable mate.