BS: UK General election December 12 2019

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 09 Dec 19 - 08:28 AM

More evidence of the disgusting dishonesty of the Tories.

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Donuel
Date: 09 Dec 19 - 08:14 AM

DAve if we ignore the ignorant how would they learn? I'm not right wing and I am ignored (;^/..

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 09 Dec 19 - 08:07 AM

See what you've done now, John! Don't encourage him. Everyone with an ounce or more of sense realises that right wing bloggers only tell part of the story while glossing over the rest and ignores them. Even more important is ignoring someone who not only quotes right wing bloggers but has never voiced an original thought.

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Iains
Date: 09 Dec 19 - 08:02 AM

I merely quote polls.
But if you want dirt, her you go! Compo and a piece of PIE.


https://order-order.com/2019/12/09/corbyns-1980s-socialist-newspaper-published-pro-paedo-articles/

Magic grandad is quite a piece of work, is he not?

The backward man has yet to demonstrate guido lies. But you have to admit when it comes to exposing people Guido is very good.

https://www.politicalite.com/labour-2/labour-the-paedophile-connection/

Here is another little gem for your delectation and delight:

https://order-order.com/2019/12/09/corbynista-breakdown-begins-prematurely/

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 09 Dec 19 - 07:34 AM

”Quite conversely to 2017, as the UK enters the final week of this December election the Tories’ poll lead is in fact growing – and Labour is falling back.

According to the Britain Elects poll tracker, after a previously shrinking lead, the Tories start the week on 42.9% – +0.4% on last week; and Labour stalling with a fall of -0.1% to 33%.

Famously, online Corbynistas declare they only trust Survation polls, as they were the most accurate pollsters in 2017. Obviously most other pollsters are mere Tory stooges…

Unfortunately for Corbyn’s true believers, they waited only to see their favourite polling company declare a last-minute Tory surge of 3% up to a 14% lead over Labour, with Corbyn dropping by 2% on the last poll.

Even more infuriatingly for Labour was yesterday’s YouGov poll confirming the Tories now lead among working-class voters by 17% – in comparison to the 7% lead Labour enjoyed just four years ago. The Corbynistas are already making their excuses.”

Any decent, fair, honest contributor to a thread would indicate that he was quoting directly from an Extreme Right-Wing Blogger’s site. Word for word from ‘Semen’ Staines’s order-order.com (which would be better-named ‘ordure-ordure.com’).

You really are as deceitful as those whose anal sphincters you appear to take such delight in tickling with that brown tongue, aren’t you Squaddie?

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: DMcG
Date: 09 Dec 19 - 06:20 AM

Here is a prediction I made elsewhere, in the context of electoral reform:

In fact, in the event of a minority Tory government, my prediction would be that they will bring Johnson’s Withdrawal Agreement back (it is NOT a deal, whatever anyone says), all the Tories will vote for it because it was something they had to sign up to do to be a candidate, and there will be sufficient Labour rebels to allow it to pass. At which point, we can forget about electoral reform for a long time.

We can be moderately sure what would happen with a Tory majority (though it WAS Johnson saying it, so who knows?) Do others agree with my assessment if there is a Tory minority?

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 09 Dec 19 - 06:03 AM

In case anyone had forgotten, many sources outside the fascist press understand that Corbyn and the Labour party, far from being the Marxist bogeymen the rabid right would have us believe, are pretty mainstream social democrats. I have linked a number of articles before.

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Iains
Date: 09 Dec 19 - 05:42 AM

A last minute game changer? Oh I hope so!

Quite conversely to 2017, as the UK enters the final week of this December election the Tories’ poll lead is in fact growing – and Labour is falling back.

According to the Britain Elects poll tracker, after a previously shrinking lead, the Tories start the week on 42.9% – +0.4% on last week; and Labour stalling with a fall of -0.1% to 33%.

Famously, online Corbynistas declare they only trust Survation polls, as they were the most accurate pollsters in 2017. Obviously most other pollsters are mere Tory stooges…

Unfortunately for Corbyn’s true believers, they waited only to see their favourite polling company declare a last-minute Tory surge of 3% up to a 14% lead over Labour, with Corbyn dropping by 2% on the last poll.

Even more infuriatingly for Labour was yesterday’s YouGov poll confirming the Tories now lead among working-class voters by 17% – in comparison to the 7% lead Labour enjoyed just four years ago. The Corbynistas are already making their excuses.

I just wish that pollsters could be trusted,

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 09 Dec 19 - 05:09 AM

Rest assured, DMcG, that my travel plans never include drives to Hinkley C. I got the mileage estimate by googling "Bude to Hinkley Point" but then I forgot to add the extra bit needed because of my house being on the wrong side of Bude.

What we need this week is a spot of dementia tax, Jennifer's ear, that bigoted woman or two days to save the pound. Something to entertain us in this most tedious of campaigns, and, who knows, a last-minute game-changer...

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Iains
Date: 09 Dec 19 - 04:42 AM

But the only alternative to Bojo is the Marxist Raving Loony party.
It rather clarifies the choice- Tory sanity, compo insanity.
We will know by Friday night!

As one chappie said on a blog:
But given the limited options available we realistically have no option but to vote Boris. Anything else really would trash our economy, our nation, our culture and our society.

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: DMcG
Date: 09 Dec 19 - 04:36 AM

Trump blocking WTO appointments

While this particular event might be news, it is just the latest in a long series where Trump is trying to limit the effectiveness of the WTO system. You know, the one 'no-dealers' are adamant we could trade under.

I would be more interested in hearing Brexiteers' reflection on how they think that will develop than their analysis of Steve's travel arrangements.

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: DMcG
Date: 09 Dec 19 - 04:24 AM

I agree, Dave. I was saying to someone last week that at this stage in the events, politicians are basically salesmen. You want your 'product' to sell better than its competitors, so you emphasise its strongest points, avoid wherever possible its disadvantages and limitations and if you know a weakness of your opposition's product, you may well drop it in to build up the advantages of yours.

This is, in part, why most politicians are suboptimal. The skill they need to do the job - rational thought, careful consideration of options, detailed study of what a proposed law means in practice - are almost directly opposed to what they need to do to get the job (saying what you think in convincing and blow the consequences.)

So yes, that is the norm for all politicians. But Trump and Johnson go far beyond that because they are quite willing to claim benefits for their product that they know are simply not there. The honest salesman restricts themselves to what the product can do while showing it in the best possible light, the dishonest one doesn't care as long as they get the sale.

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 09 Dec 19 - 04:12 AM

I think all politicians throughout history have been economical with the truth at times DMcG. I think Trump was the first to make it into an art form but Johnson seems to have perfected it on this side of the pond.

There is a huge difference between election manifesto statements, which everyone knows are plans rather than promises, and the out and out porkies being spouted by BoJo himself.

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Iains
Date: 09 Dec 19 - 04:08 AM

The original Brexit!
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2017/04/original-brexit-how-tremendous-ice-age-waterfalls-cut-britain-europe

Some geologists posit that the only way to generate the energy for such volumes of meltwater would be by an impact. eg akin to the much later Firestone event and the Pleistocene megafauna wipeout.

Lyell and Uniformitarianism is increasingly being shown to be a myth,
unlike compo aggravating global warming with all the hot air he produces.

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: DMcG
Date: 09 Dec 19 - 03:55 AM

I can't speak for anyone else on this site, but I think there are things of enough importance happening that I could not spare the time to fret whether your claimed distance from your house the Hinkley was spot on. I assumed you would be either referring to an odometer reading, or one to somewhere not far from the power station, then guess the last bit.

I am afraid I am more concerned by the various lies, misrepresentations and distortions of the senior members of all parties, than whether Steve was a mile or two out. Sorry, Steve, but how far you have to travel is not that important in the scheme of things as far as the election goes.

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 08 Dec 19 - 07:33 PM

I know how to spell Hinkley. My bloody spellchecker puts a C in it every soddin' time I type it. Grr!

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 08 Dec 19 - 07:23 PM

Well, Nigel, I did admit that my figure wasn't as the crow flies. As for your 2.7 mile discrepancy, two things. First, my house is three miles south of Bude, so three miles further away from Hinckley C. Second, you have to have lived round here for thirty years to know all those country lane shortcuts...

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 08 Dec 19 - 06:58 PM

From: Steve Shaw - PM
Date: 08 Dec 19 - 05:31 PM

Hinckley Point is 106 miles from Bude. OK,

Lucky you. Google puts you closer: The distance between Bude and Hinkley Point C nuclear power Station is 67 miles. The road distance is 103.3 miles.

Neither of which gives as much as 106 miles. From Here

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 08 Dec 19 - 06:31 PM

What's that big rockslide we're waiting for.. the Canary Islands....???

The mega tsunami projected to wipe out East coast USA,
and most of South England...

Bet the tories will blame that on Corbyn...

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Iains
Date: 08 Dec 19 - 05:43 PM

It is suggested by some geologists that the chevrons in Madagascar were created by a 300 feet high tsunami. The 1958 Lituya Bay earthquake created a rockslide. The sudden displacement of water resulted in a megatsunami that washed out trees to a maximum elevation of 1,720 feet.
Shit happens!

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 08 Dec 19 - 05:31 PM

Hinckley Point is 106 miles from Bude. OK, not as the crow flies, but there a damn great big wodge of Somerset sticking out into the sea twixt there and here. Round here we're a damn sight more worried about the listening station at CSOS Morwenstow (GCHQ's ear on the world) which is only five miles away and reputedly the fourth biggest terrorist target in the country (dunno what the first three are). I have a good few mates working up there and I reckon they're watching the bloody test matches in ultra-HD most of the time.

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 08 Dec 19 - 05:23 PM

Oi, I'm half a mile inland as the crow flies. The geology around here is safe (upper Carboniferous massive turbidite sandstones interbedded with thinner shales). A bit folded (well a lot folded, frankly, thanks to the Variscan orogeny, but I'm too far from the coast to worry about slumps). I can't flood either. Who's a clever boy then! :-)

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: The Sandman
Date: 08 Dec 19 - 04:47 PM

The wise man bought his house atop a cliff.
tell that to the people near mundesley and happisburgh

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 08 Dec 19 - 01:50 PM

yeah but.. still too close to the fall out from collapsed and flooded Hinkley Point..

Never mind, it will give Boris a radiation suit photo opp...

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: DMcG
Date: 08 Dec 19 - 01:44 PM

The wise man bought his house atop a cliff.

Only if it is far enough back from the edge. Still, a geology background should help decide if it is.

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 08 Dec 19 - 01:35 PM

Well I'm less than half a mile from the Bristol Channel but my house is 120 feet above sea level so I'm immune from tsunamis. The wise man bought his house atop a cliff...

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 08 Dec 19 - 01:12 PM

I despair - I vowed never to vote tactically for the liberals again
after the great betrayal of 2010...???

Oh well, we just had an earthquake in Scrumpyshire..
[a warning of bigger quakes to come...???]
Hinkley Point is built over a fault line,
and we haven't had a Bristol Channel Tsunami for a few centuries...

Could that potential catastrophe be worse than Boris winning...???????????????


..well obviously.. yes,
but he'd have to be trusted with the disaster emergency rescue and relief...

Never mind, it'd be an excellent photo opportunity for him
in his wellies and hi viv gear.....

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 08 Dec 19 - 12:57 PM

500.

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Iains
Date: 08 Dec 19 - 12:48 PM

PFR I wish I shared your confidence. I know Boris has a superb record of delivering but the polls are still too close to be sure he will be able to deliver a majority, or even win. Still Friday 13th cannot be unlucky for everyone- barring an impact event of course.

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 08 Dec 19 - 12:42 PM

That would be more like Fright Night, PFR.

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 08 Dec 19 - 12:25 PM

'Friday the 13th' says it all about the prospect of Boris winning...

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Iains
Date: 08 Dec 19 - 12:13 PM

Well come friday 13th we shall know who is right and who is wrong.
He cares about as much for the Jewish people as he dows for the "bogtrotting Irish" or the "theiving" Travellers, or "hippopotamus - like" black Britains, or "teatpot" homosexual Irish politicians
Obviously learnt nothing while on your hols. Still trying to pick fights by misquoting. Just behave yourself!

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 08 Dec 19 - 11:52 AM

Don't mind who you respond to Dave
I've finished here anyway - I'd forgotten how easy he is to knock over
Jim

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 08 Dec 19 - 11:34 AM

It's the attention he wants but I see that there is no use pursuing that line of reason. Please feel free to continue and I shall not respond to either. Makes it easier all round.

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 08 Dec 19 - 11:23 AM

"Don't engage with him, Jim"
Why not - his arguments are as full of holes as a string vest
He cares about as much for the Jewish people as he dows for the "bogtrotting Irish" or the "theiving" Travellers, or "hippopotamus - like" black Britains, or "teatpot" homosexual Irish politicians
Scratch a racist bigot and there's no telling what you'll find under the skin
Jim

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 08 Dec 19 - 11:12 AM

Don't engage with him, Jim. You know where that leads. For every bit of propaganda he comes up with about Labour there is twice as much ammunition against the Tories. It really isn't worth the effort. Just let the facts speak for themselves.

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 08 Dec 19 - 11:12 AM

TO BE FAIR - IT IS IN THEIR "LILY-WHITE" GENES
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 08 Dec 19 - 11:09 AM

"Your pathetic attempts at whataboutism are not being listened to."
And never will be wile Corbyn poses a theat to the status quo
Theire in nothing more antisemitic than using trumped up charges of non-existent antisemitism to win elections - no Jews - no antisemitism
CREDIT WHERE CREDIT'S DUE
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: peteglasgow
Date: 08 Dec 19 - 10:59 AM

windrush.

but actually, mine was a serious question - there has been a major realignment in tory policies in recent years and many of the leaders have left or are unhappy. many mps and other people professed mistrust/dislike of johnson. i wonder how many voters are similarly disaffected.

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Iains
Date: 08 Dec 19 - 10:58 AM

Labour is undergoing an official incestigation, the snow white Tories are not!

Your pathetic attempts at whataboutism are not being listened to.
That speaks volumes to rational people!

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 08 Dec 19 - 10:50 AM

No Jews - no antisemitism - unless Israel has managed to get that written officially into an accepted definition
Wonder when The ories will get round to carrying out a quater an efficient enquiry into their ISLAMOPHOBIA PROBLEM or does this sort of thing only count when the victims can be used as political footballs
BEG PARDON - THEY HAVE DONE SOMETHING
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Iains
Date: 08 Dec 19 - 10:06 AM

i wonder if there are many tories who won't vote for the extremists who remain.

I wonder if there are many labourites will not vote for the anti-semitic labour party?

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: peteglasgow
Date: 08 Dec 19 - 09:53 AM

well, the tories seem to have purged their party of the more sane elements and the one nation lot. i wonder if there are many tories who won't vote for the extremists who remain. at least we know now what a conservative voter is about - and prepared to tolerate

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 08 Dec 19 - 08:45 AM

There are many good people in both Labour and Tory parties, the low grad e leaders are certainly not representative of those!!

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 08 Dec 19 - 08:34 AM

We are the same, John :-(

The Observer gives some good advice on who to vote for today. Anyone but Johnson! Sadly we cannot make much difference in our constituencies but we can register our disgust at the serial liar by reducing the majorities as much as we can.

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 08 Dec 19 - 08:27 AM

We have a dreadful party-line-toeing Tory MP - astonishing for a small town with inner-city problems, big drug-problem with the attendant crime issues, high unemployment, no buses worth talking about, acute shortage of doctors (4 weeks wait to see a doctor), etc. But this has been a ‘safe’ Tory seat for the past hundred years.

So I voted for the party that almost always comes closest to unseating the Tory. Probably a vain hope, but who knows...?

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 08 Dec 19 - 08:15 AM

I couldn't vote for Grieve. Whatever his stance on Brexit, he's a Tory, and the Tories are the party of self-interest and the rich. If I can't actually help to get a Labour candidate elected, which I can't here, I'll do the next best thing and help to keep the Tories out. Yes I know that's tribal and that he's not a Tory any more, but he's a Tory through and through and he's said the usual terrible tabloid things about Corbyn.

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: DMcG
Date: 08 Dec 19 - 07:58 AM

It would be interesting to knowhow many of us would vote for our side, whoever they had put up.

I think I covered that earlier, so far is it relates to me. I try to vote for people who I judge to work best for their community which is why in the past I have voted for people who are not 'of my tribe.' But in this case the matter is so important I don't feel I can do that.

So what tribe are you referring to? Labour/Tory or Leave/Remain? In the second case I cannot imagine a Leaver they could suggest I would want to vote for, because I see Leave itself being so harmful. So if Labour put an adamant Leaver up in my ward against a Dominic Grieve, there would be no question: I would vote for Grieve.

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 08 Dec 19 - 07:51 AM

The crucial thing is to do whatever it takes to try to keep the Tories out. I will do what I always do and vote tactically for the LibDems.

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 08 Dec 19 - 07:37 AM

It would be interesting to knowhow many of us would vote for our side, whoever they had put up.

It feels sort of tribal. i don't see any opinions being changed.

Apparently a lot of tory voters are going to vote Lib Dem in the south, because of Brexit.

And a lot of Labour voters just aren't going to vote in the North because of Corbyn.

Its hard deserting your tribe. tory voters can't bring themselves to vote Labour and Labour voters can't bring themselves to vote Boris/Tory.