BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Stanron
Date: 07 Jan 20 - 03:38 AM

Iains wrote: There is a God in Heaven

He wont like that!


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Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 07 Jan 20 - 05:43 AM

I think Mrrzy is quite capable of making up her own mind Nigel. The fact remains that the GAP has told so many lies it has become necessary to doubt his every word. I do hope he does have a deal lined up but until the ink is dry, I will not believe it.

I agree that Mrrzy is quite capable. I was just pointing out that your (implied) assumption that the 'oven-ready deal' relates to December 2020 may not be the true implied meaning from Boris Johnson. I believe that it applied to January 2020, and was the replacement for May's deal which couldn't pass Parliament, and which included details on Northern Ireland which would allow for an agreement by the EU allowing us to leave 'with a deal' in January although there are now further details to be sorted out by the end of 2020.

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 07 Jan 20 - 06:11 AM

I think you’re probably correct, Nigel, although I think his use of the term ‘oven-ready’ is a deliberate Dom ‘n’ Dumberism intended to deceive the electorate into believing that the entire business of leaving with trade and customs agreements in place by the end of 2020 is a foregone conclusion.

Of course, you and I are intelligent enough to know that that is far from being the case and, in fact, a crash-out with no such agreements at the end of 2020 is an odds-on bet.

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Iains
Date: 07 Jan 20 - 07:59 AM

I must say I do like tha caliber of the prospective Labour leadership candidates.
I cannot decide what they need most:
A deckchair management course for the Titanic?
or perhaps
A Bear Gryll's course on wilderness survival?

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 07 Jan 20 - 08:02 AM

Not a very auspicious start!

Can any of the Brexiteers on here explain why the UK is pursuing trade deals which include free movement, when a major part of the Leave campaign was based on their objection to free movement, and a desire to ‘control immigration’?

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 07 Jan 20 - 08:11 AM

Aussies are OK, BWM. They speak English and don't eat garlic...

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Raggytash
Date: 07 Jan 20 - 08:20 AM

I suspect that the UK will suffer many rebuttals in it's negotiations in the next few months and years. To some extent the UK may be viewed as a pariah.

Some of us expected as much. Time alone will tell.

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 07 Jan 20 - 08:44 AM

”They speak English”

Of a sort... ;-)

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Donuel
Date: 07 Jan 20 - 08:51 AM

Nigel, make a mental note that Mrrzy is male, not female. His second hand familial experience with the diplomatic corps and avatar may have confused you.

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 07 Jan 20 - 09:04 AM

"OH dear oh dear. Yet another whining remainiac loser."

sneered with the venomous belligerence of an active supporter of a tyrannical dictatorship...

All Dissenters beware....

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 07 Jan 20 - 09:06 AM

Donuel, make a mental note to read carefully before commenting.
I didn't use any gender or pronoun about Mrrzy except in a direct quote of Dave's comment:
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 06 Jan 20 - 05:38 PM
I think Mrrzy is quite capable of making up her own mind Nigel.

However, if I had made such a mistake, it would be understandable when commenting on a member whose membership name on the forum gives no clue as to gender.

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 07 Jan 20 - 09:12 AM

Btw.. I voted remain as at that time as I was too sceptical of the typical leaver reasoning and arguments..

But I could have been open to considering intelligent reasonable honest objective persuasion..

If there'd seriously been any...

But all I head were nasty vindictive insulting leaver fanatics...
Who only got increasingly more vicious.. even though they won..

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 07 Jan 20 - 09:16 AM

"heard"...

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 07 Jan 20 - 09:20 AM

I wonder if Stanron and Nigel find Iains to be an embarrassing liability to their side,
rather than a trusty attack dog...????

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Donuel
Date: 07 Jan 20 - 09:31 AM

Oh thats what italics mean in Nigelese. sorry.

Iains practically has some leavers on a leash. I prefer cats myself.

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Stanron
Date: 07 Jan 20 - 09:35 AM

punkfolkrocker wrote: I wonder if Stanron and Nigel find Iains to be an embarrassing liability to their side

I don't find Iains's posts embarrassing. They are a refreshing alternative to the rather tedious group think that comes from the other side. I find your contributions can be a pleasant change as well but in a different kind of way.

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 07 Jan 20 - 09:56 AM

It was me that made the mistake, Donuel. I had in mind that the poster named Mrrzy had mentioned being female but my memory must be faulty.

Apologies if required mrrzy. In my defence, as your posts are measured and reasonable rather than the usual sabre rattling variety, it was an easy mistake to make :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 07 Jan 20 - 10:04 AM

Stan - Thanks.. I try my best to remain reasonable and objective,
though my sense of sardonic absurdist humour and sarcasm
does get a bit too carried away at times...

I depair more than I celebrate in British politics...

I don't know who, what, or how many post under the "Iains" ID..
But amongst the multiple personalities on display, is an interesting bloke
with life experiences worth hearing about.

But I rarely encounter that "Iains" in these few BS threads I bother with...

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Iains
Date: 07 Jan 20 - 10:19 AM

Donuel, thanks for bringing it to mind. I must check if my rabies shots are still valid. Sometimes a mere leash is insufficient, declawing and a compulsory muzzle are oftimes vital requisites.
I must say the usual leftie insults of stupid, waycist, bigot etc etc have diminished in recent days. No doubt due to a distinct lack of credibility post 12/12.
Interesting the Libdumb remaining wraiths are trying to scupper Nigel's brexit party in London due the end of january.

Meanwhile compo has had a bit of a shuffle, according to Guido. He has yet to decide on his shadow minister of walkies, whose resposibility will be to formulate plans for wilderness travelling, hopefully dodging any burning bushes, if Oz is owt to go by!

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 07 Jan 20 - 01:22 PM

If you want something refreshing, Stanron, I suggest that Heineken is a better alternative :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Stanron
Date: 07 Jan 20 - 02:04 PM

No alcohol for me now until Jan 31, and even then it won't be any kind of lager. If I wanted beer it would be a pint of Hydes Anvil at the Jolly Angler but getting out and back without driving is too much faff these days. I'll get a couple of bottles of some craft beer from a supermarket and top it up with some whiskey with an E.

In the meantime refreshing me right now is some cold tea and lemonade. I should sell it in cans.

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 07 Jan 20 - 02:11 PM

"....with an E"...??????????

You're a hardcore all night Rave dancer... innit... resprec' bruv...

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Iains
Date: 07 Jan 20 - 03:56 PM

Labour suffered its worst defeat since 1935 in the December 2019 general election and the party is now desperately trying to rebuild its image in an effort to win back voters. But a recent poll suggests party chiefs have a lot of work to do, as two thirds of Britons haven’t heard of any of the candidates in the running to be the next Labour leader. The Deltapoll, seen by The Daily Telegraph, found that respondents didn’t even recognise frontrunners Sir Keir Starmer and Rebecca Long Bailey - even when shown their photographs.
Rebecca Long Bailey, is simply a female corbyn clone. Her election would be a total farce seeing as the electorate heartily rejected compo and all who sailed with him.
Are Labour actively seeking wilderness years? It certainly seems so to me. The power of analysis and application of lessons learnt is sadly lacking in the labour camp. They appear to believe that filling the blogosphere with "we won the argument" is sufficient to make friends and influence people. Have I got news for them!
I think the British people deserve better of an opposition party than the dregs that are on offer.

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 07 Jan 20 - 04:14 PM

I was going to say don't mix drink and drugs but you beat me to the idea PFR!

Not had a pint of Hydes for ages, Stanron. Last time was in the Grey Horse on Portland Street. Had a cracking impromptu session after a guitar show at what was UMIST. Still doesn't refresh parts other beers cannot reach though.:-)

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 07 Jan 20 - 05:17 PM

Apart from the fact that Becky Long-Bailey is anything but a clone of anybody, anyone else notice the disgusting piece of misogyny that appeared to compel the poster to point out that she is female?

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Iains
Date: 07 Jan 20 - 06:04 PM

anyone else notice the disgusting piece of misogyny that appeared to compel the poster to point out that she is female?
Oh Dear oh dear, the prosecco kid is losing his marbles, as is young beckie.

.@RLong_Bailey tells @PaulBrandITV she would give @jeremycorbyn's leadership of @UKLabour a '10 out of 10' and says he was 'one of the most honest, kind, principled politicians'
No doubt abbacus would give 12 out of 10. It is worth pointing out that compo scored 202 out of 650.This rather suggests RLB's scoring system is fatally flawed. As will be the labour party of course, if they elect him/her/it as leader. (Trying to be PC in the LGTG world is a challenge) The left has some very sensitive souls when they encounter life's harsh realities such as winning the argument yet losing the battle. History generally teaches might is right.

I recommend you peruse the comments on Guido's piece, you appear to need the education.

https://order-order.com/2020/01/07/non-continuity-becky-gives-corbyn-10-10/#disqus_thread
A flavour below:
Hats off to Alison Pearson for nailing RLB perfectly in her most recent column, and I quote "The shadow business secretary, who looks like the love child of the Roswell alien and Mrs Merton". Add in a dose of the brains of Olive from On the Buses and you are just about there.

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 07 Jan 20 - 08:12 PM

Why does it seem the tories and even further right
are far more obsessed with the Labour party
than perhaps most average Labour voters are...!!!??????????

Personally, I've got more pressing priorities to care about..

..until I'm next required to vote,
then I'll give the Labour party a reasonable minimum amount of thought...

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 07 Jan 20 - 08:29 PM

Well I know we're supposed to be blanking the troll, but I just knew that attacking him for his blatant misogyny (to add to all his other defects) would bring out a vile, purulent piece of sexist venom from him. What a baby. What a sucker. Anyway, back to blanking him.

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 07 Jan 20 - 08:52 PM

"As will be the labour party of course, if they elect him/her/it as leader. (Trying to be PC in the LGTG world is a challenge)"

"Him/her/it," eh? As it happens, Becky is happily married and has a son. Shame you didn't check. Sounds to me like YOU have some kind of insecurity over your own, er, "place" in the sexual context of the current world. Hey, don't worry, mate! You can tell us! We understand! None of that far-right skinheaddery of the kind you subscribe to in THIS cabal! Know what I mean, ducks? ;-)

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 08 Jan 20 - 02:43 AM

I wonder why they are obsessed with looks as well. It's not as if their pin up boys are exactly George Clooney lookalikes. Farage? Griffin? Come on! People in glass houses...

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Iains
Date: 08 Jan 20 - 04:07 AM

Only the deluded loons of the left would try to make an accusation of misogyny when a female prospective labour leadership candidate is referred to as a FEMALE.
The scale of their recent defeat must have addled their brains, especially the prosecco kid. What a clown! I assume your last post was after quaffing yet another bottle. It shows, you know.
No insecurities with me you silly boy, I have a spiffing party to go to come the end of the month. I do not believe you and your also ran fellow posting remoaners have an invite. Life is full of pleasant surprises.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/politics/aliens-among-us-running-leader-labour-party/

The labour party must be congratulated for their perspicacity in the choice of such a candidate. It guarantees that:
ps good to see the cabal wannabe bullies lining up one behind the other. Your removal would make this forum far more pleasant.

So now they will go off and cry and get this post removed.
1)They have learnt nothing from their epic defeat
2) They will never hold the reins of power again.
By even contemplating such a move they do nothing but demonstrate their contempt for their electorate.
Now I know you loonies argue this point repeatedly but sovereignty lies with the people.
Hint! This is why Bojo is in
and magic grandad is out.
Slow learners, or what?

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Iains
Date: 08 Jan 20 - 04:18 AM

Interesting how that last post managed to get jumbled up. Nothing is sacred in cyberspace.

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 08 Jan 20 - 05:31 AM

Your problem with women clearly addled your brain.

Begod, John Dave and Raggytash, I'm weak... but this was too good to pass up... a true misogynist has outed himself. Thank God for him that Thatcher wasn't actually a woman...

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Iains
Date: 08 Jan 20 - 06:05 AM

An interesting report from Guido this morning concerning members of the former shadow off itself labour party.

https://order-order.com/2020/01/08/labour-shadow-cabinet-drown-sorrows/
Rats is a sack springs to mind!

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 08 Jan 20 - 06:52 AM

”Begod, John Dave and Raggytash, I'm weak... but this was too good to pass up...”

I understand where you’re coming from Steve but, TBH, I really have not the slightest interest in anything a Fanboi (perhaps even an employee) of a criminal, drink-driver, Right-Wing-Extremist blogger has to say, and I refuse to allow myself to sink to the bottom of the pond by reacting to his constant trumpeting of his hero’s propaganda, and his insulting, flame-baiting behaviour.

Just let him rattle on - no matter his claims of the reverse, there is a mountain of evidence, on numerous threads, of his insulting, abusive, flame-baiting and trolling. On any other forum, he would have been kicked into touch a very long time ago but, sadly, he seems to have ‘friends’ amongst ‘da management’ - there is no other logical explanation for his being allowed to behave in the way he does.

It’s pointless trying to debate with him because he changes position, wriggles like a serpent, and accuses his opponents of the very abuses he, himself, perpetrates.

There is only one way to deal with him, and that is by completely blanking him. Others can do as they like, but that’s my intention going forward.

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 08 Jan 20 - 06:54 AM

Interesting, though, to see the flaws in his character. He's just added misogyny to the racism we've highlighted before, and he does appear to have some difficulties with gender matters...

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 08 Jan 20 - 06:57 AM

As my old mum used to say - “He says owt but his prayers”.

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 08 Jan 20 - 07:19 AM

He certainly sits on the far-right hand of the Father... :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 08 Jan 20 - 08:06 AM

Of the Fatherland? :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 08 Jan 20 - 08:09 AM

LOL! Many a true word spoken in jest! ;-)

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 08 Jan 20 - 08:16 AM

"So now they will go off and cry and get this post removed."

..so why were my innocuous posts rebutting your silliness deleted just a few days ago..
on a very slow day, when basically only you and I were posting...???????

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 08 Jan 20 - 08:35 AM

Said removal of my posts [and one of DtG's] were only to your benefit,
serving to leave you looking
less gratuitously antagonistic and hypocritical than we know you were, and still are...

That was a lucky whitewash for you from a mod, wasn't it...

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 08 Jan 20 - 08:40 AM

Best not complain too much about deletions. I'd far rather see his racism, misogyny, gender issues, his invoking of far-right scumbags (in the press, online, or otherwise, who knows...) and all his other defects left here for all to see.

I see that the EU is beginning to play hardball over the deal negotiations...

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 08 Jan 20 - 08:52 AM

oops.. i accidentally misspelled "a lucky whitewash for you from a god""...

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 08 Jan 20 - 08:59 AM

Steve - not complaining about deletions,
merely mentioning that as specific context,
for pointing out his/[their ?] blatant self pitiful 'playing the victim' whinging...

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Iains
Date: 08 Jan 20 - 09:36 AM

Good to see the jackals out, attacking with the ferocity of a comatose amoeba.
Hilarious Good Morning Britain show today. They did a fine job of eviscerating the compo clone wannabbe leader Rebecca Long-Bailey.
(In deference to the lefties) he/she/it was ripped apart for suggesting compo was magic personified and should reign for ever and ever.
"After her comments were read aloud, the host declared: “I’m afraid Rebecca Wrong Bailey, your party was savaged by the voters, your own voters.
“A lot of working class, Northern Labour voters to their boot straps, marched and voted for the posh Etonian.
“And you know why, because you betrayed them on Brexit. You went back on your word. It had nothing to do with nasty media,” he continued."

Are you yo-yos going to crowdfund her wilderness training? She is going to need it.
I can predict with absolute confidence she is never going to make it to number 19.
A joyful toon for me

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Iains
Date: 08 Jan 20 - 09:43 AM

Pure Gold!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFna4W_r1BY

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 08 Jan 20 - 09:57 AM

The hypocrisy is mindblowing, pfr.

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 08 Jan 20 - 10:10 AM

Though completely predictable and expected...

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 08 Jan 20 - 10:24 AM

If I just say 300 would it be a Spartan post?