BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Iains
Date: 31 Dec 19 - 01:33 PM

An all-expense paid lifetime membership in Hell.

You demonstrate yet again a total lack of understanding of UK politics.
My stance represents the jubilant majority. That is how Mr Farage won the majority of seats in the EU parliament and Labour lost to tory in their red heartlands.
Telling everyone they are racist and stupid really worked well! Did it not.
I believe the deplorables gave the democrats a drubbing as well.
From my standpoint your respective electioneering techniques must be encouraged. It is only right to encourage losers(to lose again)

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 31 Dec 19 - 01:12 PM

I wonder what a very grateful nation should give the highly esteemed Mr. Farage for an even greater victory over EU hegemony?

An all-expense paid lifetime membership in Hell.

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 31 Dec 19 - 01:02 PM

Lies, deception, shifting the blame to innocents, thuggish bullying,
getting rich from shady dealings,
are so gangsta..

They are modern virtues, characteristics of strength,
that appeal
to the voters of such outrageous rogues as Boris and Trump...

Nice guys are put on this planet to be exploited and destroyed..

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 31 Dec 19 - 12:46 PM

He can find "thousands of posts," etc, yet, when challenged to produce them he comes up with just four, not one of which even remotely makes the point which he was pathetically trying to make, and that was after he tried to make up cod statistics based on nothing at all to prove that there must have been at least three thousand. We always knew that we have here a bullshitter par excellence, but now he's proven that he's not just a bullshitter but also a liar. Johnson won an election on the backs of lies which went insufficiently challenged. Let's not allow the same mistake here.

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 31 Dec 19 - 12:41 PM

In 1975 I was too young to vote, though started studying British Constitution, Govt & Politics, and Law
at 6th Form College...
But more importantly, I was far too busy trying to lose my virginity to care much about any referendums..

However, now I do think it's a bit too unfair on the current and next younger generations
that a loud minority of old folks harbouring resentments going back more than 40 years
have decided so dogmatically on the future fate of our nation...

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Iains
Date: 31 Dec 19 - 12:09 PM

Queen Anne and a grateful nation gifted Blenheim Palace to the 1st Duke of Marlborough for his great victory at the Battle of Blenheim in 1704 that stopped european empire building in it's tracks.

I wonder what a very grateful nation should give the highly esteemed Mr. Farage for an even greater victory over EU hegemony?

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Stanron
Date: 31 Dec 19 - 11:35 AM

Well Steve Shaw, in view of Dave the Gnome's post of Date: 31 Dec 19 - 05:44 AM

quote;

He went on to make one of his most famous observations, that the “fundamental cause of the trouble is that in the modern world the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt.”

It's nice to see we are both so certain. I guess that makes us equally stupid.

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 31 Dec 19 - 10:38 AM

Yes, Stanron, but your side insisted that we'd voted to leave the single market and customs union, when we'd done no such thing (well they weren't on MY ballot paper...) and in most people's cases probably didn't even know what they are. You are being very selective. In every political system that I I've known about, changes are proposed and take place down the years and decades and I for one don't want to vote on every one of them, if on any at all. I didn't agree with the '75 referendum either but at least there was a significant majority for the status quo. A simple requirement for one vote over the 50% to bring in an irrevocable change, with no minimum turnout requirement, is a complete outrage. The trouble that Cameron's hubris-ridden referendum caused, nowt to do with Europe and everything to do with keeping his backwoods backbenchers and UKIP at bay, was inevitable.

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Stanron
Date: 31 Dec 19 - 08:44 AM

Rain Dog wrote: Well I am not a fan of referendums myself. Was it an unqualified electorate back in 1975 when, according to the reasoning of some of you here, only 43.35% voted to remain in the EU?

I was not old enough to vote in the '75 referendum. I did vote remain in the last one. We will have to wait and see what lies ahead for us all.

I was old enough and I did vote to remain in the Common Market. I did not vote to join a hierachical and democratically deficient United States of Europe.

The architects of that dismal construct made sure that no-one ever got to vote on that until it was all done and dusted. That is why I, and, I suspect many others like me, took the last referendum as a chance to say 'No' for the first time. All this business about being lied to in the referendum campaign overlooks the fact that an awful lot of people clearly remembered not having the opportunity to say 'No' to the treaty of Maastricht and the treaty of Lisbon. Posters on the side of buses played no part in that.

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Rain Dog
Date: 31 Dec 19 - 08:01 AM

Well I am not a fan of referendums myself. Was it an unqualified electorate back in 1975 when, according to the reasoning of some of you here, only 43.35% voted to remain in the EU?

I was not old enough to vote in the '75 referendum. I did vote remain in the last one. We will have to wait and see what lies ahead for us all.

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 31 Dec 19 - 07:43 AM

If its any reassurance Dave. I agree. I don't think you're right either.

happy new year!

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 31 Dec 19 - 07:31 AM

I was referring to the referendum, not an election. Many of the same considerations apply to both, though the fundamental difference is that we were handing over a crucial and irreversible decision to an unqualified electorate. In an election we are choosing the people who we want to make the big decisions, and the result of an election is ultimately reversible. In addition, the issues at stake in elections are multifarious.

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Raggytash
Date: 31 Dec 19 - 07:28 AM

Incidentally 13,966,565 represents about 21% of the total population. A little over 1 in 5.

They do not necessarily speak for the other 79% of the population.

Thus they cannot claim to be the people's voice.

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 31 Dec 19 - 07:19 AM

I am certainly full of doubt, Stanron. I do not consider myself to be wholly right on any political or economic view. I doubt if anyone else is wholly right either. On brexit I have often said that seeing as the country was split almost in two, there should have been a compromise. I am willing to give Boris a fair chance even though I think his policies will be bad for us. In both circumstances I sincerely hope that I am wrong in my primary assessment. I posted the link without comment so it could not be said to be aimed at anyone in particular. But if anyone is so certain that their viewpoint is the only true one, I do hope that they recognise themselves.

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Rain Dog
Date: 31 Dec 19 - 06:42 AM

Steve Shaw posted "In terms of politics the electorate is uneducated, which leaves them vulnerable to lowest-common-denominator propaganda."

Was that just for this election or all the previous elections as well?

It is the nature of the beast.

Happy New Year to you all.

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Stanron
Date: 31 Dec 19 - 06:40 AM

Re Dave the Gnome's post of Date: 31 Dec 19 - 05:44 AM

quote;

He went on to make one of his most famous observations, that the “fundamental cause of the trouble is that in the modern world the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt.”

Exactly whose side are you on?

Admittedly remainers express doubt regarding Brexit, but don't you see that doubt expressed with undeniable certainty?

This blade cuts both ways.

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Raggytash
Date: 31 Dec 19 - 06:23 AM

I don't see any flaming just people's personal opinions, there is nothing inflammatory in any of the posts listed.

Incidentally 13,966,565 people voted for the party which said it was definitely going to leave. At least 15,297,879 people voted for parties who said they either would remain for give a second vote.

That is not inflammatory that is fact.

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 31 Dec 19 - 06:01 AM

https://getpocket.com/explore/item/the-case-for-professors-of-stupidity?utm_source=pocket-newtab

Posted without comment.

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: DMcG
Date: 31 Dec 19 - 05:44 AM

One of the interesting things over the next year will be this separate bill on workers' rights. That will be a real Scylla and Charybdis to write. Every right that is left out threatens a future hold on the red wall, every right that is included risks losing the free market supporters. A classic one, which I have referred to before, is the regulations on maternity leave which Martin Cannanan denounced in Brussels as an example of a regulation that should be scrapped as it is a barrier to employment. To be fair, it does put quite a high cost on businesses, so it is an example of where a decision needs to be made about trading off the interests of the two parties. What actually is decided over the next year will reveal quite a lot about the future.

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 31 Dec 19 - 05:37 AM

Just who are this "tiny minority here think they represent the UK"? I certainly don't think any such thing. I doubt if Steve or Backwoodsman think they represent the UK.

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 31 Dec 19 - 05:33 AM

Well we'll soon see how Boris will have to ditch his promises when economic events overtake him. "The blind workings of the market" will see to that. Being blind, they'll pay no heed to his handsome shock of Trump hair or of his dashing, sexy, trim figure, I assure you.

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: DMcG
Date: 31 Dec 19 - 05:31 AM

Yes, the Pie video is over emotional, but that is his comic style. Occasionally you can see interviews with the actor behind the Pie persona, and he is, as you would imagine, much calmer and more rational. And I agree the statement about voting for Brexit twice is at the very least debatable, if not outright false.

But there is an underlying truth that refusing to engage with people, or only engaging to insult them, is not a very effective strategy.

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 31 Dec 19 - 05:28 AM

Iains - the lefty pefties are having a bad time, great fun isn't it!!!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 31 Dec 19 - 05:14 AM

Another stupid and pointless post from the bloke who claims he can find that list of thousands...

Whilst I share Mr Pie's frustration (though I reacted with a lot less anger and a lot more resignation myself), I can't agree that there's much truth in his rather emotional analysis.    There's no doubt in my mind that large numbers voted leave because they were uninformed, misinformed or simply didn't have a clue what they were voting about. I've spoken to many leave voters since 2016 and have heard the plethora of vox pops that the BBC misleadingly peddles to us in the guise of "news." In terms of politics the electorate is uneducated, which leaves them vulnerable to lowest-common-denominator propaganda. And the worst of that was racist, and enough suckers fell for it to swing the result. And it's untrue that "the country voted to leave."

Sorry for the off-topic response but I wanted to express disagreement with the point you made. At least I think I'm doing it civilly!

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Iains
Date: 31 Dec 19 - 04:58 AM

In view of the video posted above that contains some very real self evident truths let us consider some of the posts below. There are many hundreds to choose from, but I can't be arsed to find them all and it clutters up the thread. The selection is so wrong in content it can only be considered as flamebait.

From: Steve Shaw - PM
Date: 15 Apr 19 - 04:47 AM
Well I suppose that the breakdown by party would be helpful to party leaderships in informing them of the general sentiment among their supporters. The reason I raised it was in order to counter the oft-made claim that most Labour-held seats ("in Labour's working class northern heartlands," etc) voted leave. Statistically correct, but if you say it, whilst neglecting to say that most Labour voters in those constituencies voted remain, you're being a bit of a scoundrel, aren't you?
Above Conjecture Below Fact
Labour's 'red wall' of seats crumbled and turned blue in this General Election as voters rejected Jeremy Corbyn and delivered him a humiliating defeat.
The Tories snatched Labour seats across the industrial heartlands of the Midlands and north of England - many of them for the first time - as Brexit-supporting communities backed Boris Johnson.

From: Steve Shaw - PM
Date: 18 Apr 19 - 06:11 AM
"We may disagree with the decision many leavers made based on cynical false claims and disinformation,
but accept they did it for what they believed at the time were positive reasons for the benefit of us all..
It's clear many now regret that decision."

Yeah! Right on!       The reality

326 seats needed to win
UK results Conservative 365 Labour 203 SNP 48         LD 11 DUP 8 Others 15
More absolute garbage from the same post:
. Ignorance and racism led to the leave victory. Anything else is just indulging stupidity.

From: Jim Carroll - PM
Date: 19 Apr 19 - 02:45 AM
The leavers are fully aware that the majority would almost certainly vote to stay if they were given an opportunity to re-confirm their decision - there can be no other possible reason for not allowing a second vote
We just had one.Leave won again


Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Backwoodsman - PM
Date: 19 Apr 19 - 05:18 AM
The whole point of BrexShit is to benefit the wealthy and powerful - they started it, they’ve driven it, and they’re still driving it, aided and abetted by The Nicotine-Stained Frog, The Blond Buffoon, The Lying Scottish Viper, Jake Rich-Mong, and supported by their brown-nose, working-class mucky-toffs on this thread and elsewhere.
Everything to do with their wealth, SFA to do with benefitting the rest of the people of the U.K.
Insults versus reality, Who won that argument?

From: David Carter (UK) - PM
Date: 23 Apr 19 - 04:18 AM
Note that there is no question of Farage's party "winning the European elections" as some of the more fanciful headlines in the sewer press have said. They are not standing in nearly enough seats to do that.

Above pure delusion. Below fact
Party Brexit Party 29 seats Libdem 16 Labour 10

The list goes on and on. A tiny minority here think they represent the UK. In fact the majority of the voting public heartily rejected everything that the minority on here constantly bang on about. The recent election demonstrated that most clearly.

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 31 Dec 19 - 03:57 AM

Who won the election?

I think it may turn out ultimately that Corbyn's five quid trots won.
Boris is such a tit that he will undoubtedly bring the ultimate (and much longed for by Marxists) revolution several steps closer.

And they will tell you in Northern Ireland and Beirut, violent revolution is fun, fun fun....

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: DMcG
Date: 31 Dec 19 - 03:57 AM

I take you point, Backswoodsman, that I am unwilling to ignore anyone completely, though I do ignore posts that are rants.

But there is a real issue in ignoring people and I think this rant of against us has a lot of truth in it. Ignoring people can end up just making us feel better.

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Iains
Date: 31 Dec 19 - 02:02 AM

Oh Dear oh dear!
The leftards are not taking their nightmare before Chrissie very well. Are they?

Good training for their next nightmare. Trying to find a leader in the new year! Compo is a class act to follow. By any metric he was an abject failure.
Luvvin it!

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 30 Dec 19 - 07:28 PM

We can ignore him, and generally we do try to, but he must substantiate his claim that he can find thousands of those posts, and give us chapter and verse. It was a scurrilous and unsupportable attack on decent people by a very indecent man, and we shouldn't let it pass without his corroboration. Shades of Keith lying about those two historians, when he tried to tell us that Geoffrey Wheatcroft had described AJP Taylor and Alan Clark as vulgar and fraudulent when Wheatcroft had written no such thing (it's still there on the Guardian website). I'm bloody sick of politicians thinking they can get away with throwaway lies, both here and in the US, and I worry about the culture that's being allowed to set in, and I'm damned if I'm going to let this fellow get away with trying it on here. So I want a list, minimum, of those thousands of posts, and we shouldn't let him proceed any further here until he delivers just that. If that means not ignoring him for a bit, so be it. Don't worry, I'm not turning into a Jim!

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 30 Dec 19 - 06:38 PM

Teamwork.. comrades.. together we will build a new socialist utopia..

..ermmm.. but not until Thursday, it's still the xmas/new year holiday..

..actually might as well make it a long weekend and give it a good start on Mon.. errrmm Tuesday.. afternoon maybe...

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 30 Dec 19 - 05:39 PM

If everybody would for the love of god ignore that one individual, there wouldn't be any 'trouble'!

And yes, DMcG and pfr, I'm including you in 'everybody'. There is no conceivable benefit in attempting to engage in an intellectual exercise with one who has neither (a) intellect, nor (b) any interest in debate, and who maintains a presence here simply to make mischief

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 30 Dec 19 - 05:13 PM

I note the change of thread title (it's a bit clumsy but hey ho). Whilst I think that we Brits should respect the fact that this is not a UK website and should definitely refrain from starting excessive numbers of new political threads, it would be a shame if we were overly constrained in a way that doesn't seem in keeping with the laissez-faire ethos of the forum. We should also reflect, as should the moderators, on the fact that almost all the current trouble in this part of the board is stirred up by one individual. Depends on what kind of place we want this to be, I suppose.

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 30 Dec 19 - 02:54 PM

Good heavens, a late addition to Mr Johnson’s NYHL!

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 30 Dec 19 - 02:40 PM

Well it would be a very good idea if he could just shut his mouth until he can substantiate his claim.

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 30 Dec 19 - 01:54 PM

Raggy - he's probably still waiting for the research unit in the USA,
Russia, or a grubby stale semen reeking public school dorm,
or wherever,
to supply him with the necessary script...

He's just waffling playing for time until then...

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Raggytash
Date: 30 Dec 19 - 01:43 PM

I don't know about anyone else but I'm still waiting for evidence of thousands of posts detailing " that invective and flame bait" from Lefties.

Come on iaians, where is your evidence.

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 30 Dec 19 - 01:31 PM

"Margaret Hilda Thatcher, Baroness Thatcher, LG, OM, DStJ, PC, FRS, HonFRSC is looking at the antics on this thread and laughing herself silly."

Well, she did completely lose her marbles towards the end...
A sad fate shared by perhaps a majority of elderly tories...???


Just the kind of minds we need running a modern forward looking nation...

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 30 Dec 19 - 01:26 PM

Folks up north will be waking up in 2020 with hangovers..
.. and maybe a few emerging nagging doubts about what they did..???

So what is the electorial equivalent of 'Buyers Remorse'...???

At least there is some consumer protection covering return and exchange of impulse purchases
within a stated period after rashly clicking 'Buy Now'...

Well done up north.. you are lumbered with Boris now,
and you won't even be able to quickly get rid of him on ebay...

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Iains
Date: 30 Dec 19 - 01:19 PM

Margaret Hilda Thatcher, Baroness Thatcher, LG, OM, DStJ, PC, FRS, HonFRSC is looking at the antics on this thread and laughing herself silly.

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 30 Dec 19 - 01:13 PM

Spot on, Raggy. A thread on the Labour leadership will follow shortly.

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Raggytash
Date: 30 Dec 19 - 12:56 PM

I did suggest in my opening post that this topic could run for some time.

I also suggested that many of the pledges of the Johnson government would be rescinded, ignored or denied over the next five years.

In their first week in office at least three of their pledges had been put in doubt.

I would be grateful if the thread could be limited to that subject and that subject alone.

If anyone would like to start a thread to discuss the future of the Labour party I'm sure most of them could manage that but it is not a subject for this thread.

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Government Pledges: B. Johnson's govt
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 30 Dec 19 - 09:20 AM

The mods' standpoint on excessive UK political threads is perfectly respectable. The Labour leadership contest is not yet properly underway. When it is, I'm sure that this one could be suspended. After all, Johnson has at least five years to break all his pledges. There's plenty of time. And the suggestion that this is biased whereas a Labour leadership thread wouldn't be is just laughably disingenuous.

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Government Pledges: B. Johnson's govt
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 30 Dec 19 - 09:19 AM

The punk rock ethic of short sharp and effective comes to mind...

Any of 'our' political threads seriously needs a time and posts limit,
to keep them on track, unrepetetive, and readable...
[with at least some self disciplined effort to try to reach sensible debated conclusions...]

So let's try not to be boring old gits...

To become such is anathema to punk rockers,
even though the surviving originals from 1976/77
are now knocking on 65 to over 70...

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Government Pledges: B. Johnson's govt
From: DMcG
Date: 30 Dec 19 - 07:43 AM

It is completely up to the moderators what they allow on the site, but for my tastes I would prefer discussions on Labour's leadership debates and what the government does as separate threads. Mixing them together in the same thread would be very confusing.

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Government Pledges: B. Johnson's govt
From: Stanron
Date: 30 Dec 19 - 07:32 AM

This is absolutely ridiculous. A Moderator has decreed that there should only be one UK political thread. That, in itself, is not ridiculous but the thread has a title that is politically biased and the faction in favour of the bias insist we keep to the title's subject!

Could the Moderator in question change the thread title to something like 'The Only Allowed UK Political Thread' or an equivalent?

I would like to discus the upcoming Labour party leadership election. No need for a fictionally biased thread title there. The subject may well be a source of embarrassment for Labour Supporters and merriment for it's opponents but the results will have a significant affect on UK political future.

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Government Pledges: B. Johnson's govt
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 30 Dec 19 - 05:40 AM

Hear, hear Dave.

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Government Pledges: B. Johnson's govt
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 30 Dec 19 - 05:28 AM

What I really don't understand is why anyone would continue to fight the elect Bozo and leave the EU fight when it has already been won. The moderation team have, quite rightly, said we need to limit the number of polit-UK threads so they can monitor them more easily. The election is finished. We are going to leave the EU. This thread is about broken pledges and I would be happy for any off topic posts to be removed. I would also be happy if anyone posted reasons why the pledges have been broken or even how well the new administration is doing in reply. If that ever happens. But no one should be surprised if off topic blatant flame bait is deleted.

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Government Pledges: B. Johnson's govt
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 30 Dec 19 - 05:23 AM

"If we assume a mere 5% of the cabal posts are flames and insults, as the 2 members immediately above, then the combined postings of 60,000 provide 3000."

Feeble, based on fake assumptions (it's what liars do) and in no way does it respond to your vacuous claim about those "thousands of posts." Not good enough. I want those posts listed, chapter and verse, all of them. If you can't do this, which you can't of course, I suggest you desist from making stupid claims based on falsehoods. I'm calling you out here. Piss or get off the pot, and stop being so bloody dishonest.

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Government Pledges: B. Johnson's govt
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 30 Dec 19 - 03:44 AM

How about kicking Britain First out of the Tory party?

Motes, eyes and beams spring to mind.

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Government Pledges: B. Johnson's govt
From: Iains
Date: 30 Dec 19 - 02:56 AM

Keep it up lads. You make my point most admirably.If we assume a mere 5% of the cabal posts are flames and insults, as the 2 members immediately above, then the combined postings of 60,000 provide 3000. Your time would be more usefully spent kicking Unite and Momentum out of the Labour party.
As long as they remain Labour will continue to shrink.
From my point of view it is a trend to be encouraged, Compo's Clowns are not even a viable opposition party any longer.
What a glorious start to the New Year! Brexit beckons. After all Bojo was elected on the mantra "Get Brexit Done". I don't fink he will dare break that pledge. After all the people's vote quite clearly said: "Out brothers, OUT!"