BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 07 Jan 20 - 08:52 PM

"As will be the labour party of course, if they elect him/her/it as leader. (Trying to be PC in the LGTG world is a challenge)"

"Him/her/it," eh? As it happens, Becky is happily married and has a son. Shame you didn't check. Sounds to me like YOU have some kind of insecurity over your own, er, "place" in the sexual context of the current world. Hey, don't worry, mate! You can tell us! We understand! None of that far-right skinheaddery of the kind you subscribe to in THIS cabal! Know what I mean, ducks? ;-)

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 07 Jan 20 - 08:29 PM

Well I know we're supposed to be blanking the troll, but I just knew that attacking him for his blatant misogyny (to add to all his other defects) would bring out a vile, purulent piece of sexist venom from him. What a baby. What a sucker. Anyway, back to blanking him.

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 07 Jan 20 - 08:12 PM

Why does it seem the tories and even further right
are far more obsessed with the Labour party
than perhaps most average Labour voters are...!!!??????????

Personally, I've got more pressing priorities to care about..

..until I'm next required to vote,
then I'll give the Labour party a reasonable minimum amount of thought...

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Iains
Date: 07 Jan 20 - 06:04 PM

anyone else notice the disgusting piece of misogyny that appeared to compel the poster to point out that she is female?
Oh Dear oh dear, the prosecco kid is losing his marbles, as is young beckie.

.@RLong_Bailey tells @PaulBrandITV she would give @jeremycorbyn's leadership of @UKLabour a '10 out of 10' and says he was 'one of the most honest, kind, principled politicians'
No doubt abbacus would give 12 out of 10. It is worth pointing out that compo scored 202 out of 650.This rather suggests RLB's scoring system is fatally flawed. As will be the labour party of course, if they elect him/her/it as leader. (Trying to be PC in the LGTG world is a challenge) The left has some very sensitive souls when they encounter life's harsh realities such as winning the argument yet losing the battle. History generally teaches might is right.

I recommend you peruse the comments on Guido's piece, you appear to need the education.

https://order-order.com/2020/01/07/non-continuity-becky-gives-corbyn-10-10/#disqus_thread
A flavour below:
Hats off to Alison Pearson for nailing RLB perfectly in her most recent column, and I quote "The shadow business secretary, who looks like the love child of the Roswell alien and Mrs Merton". Add in a dose of the brains of Olive from On the Buses and you are just about there.

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 07 Jan 20 - 05:17 PM

Apart from the fact that Becky Long-Bailey is anything but a clone of anybody, anyone else notice the disgusting piece of misogyny that appeared to compel the poster to point out that she is female?

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 07 Jan 20 - 04:14 PM

I was going to say don't mix drink and drugs but you beat me to the idea PFR!

Not had a pint of Hydes for ages, Stanron. Last time was in the Grey Horse on Portland Street. Had a cracking impromptu session after a guitar show at what was UMIST. Still doesn't refresh parts other beers cannot reach though.:-)

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Iains
Date: 07 Jan 20 - 03:56 PM

Labour suffered its worst defeat since 1935 in the December 2019 general election and the party is now desperately trying to rebuild its image in an effort to win back voters. But a recent poll suggests party chiefs have a lot of work to do, as two thirds of Britons haven’t heard of any of the candidates in the running to be the next Labour leader. The Deltapoll, seen by The Daily Telegraph, found that respondents didn’t even recognise frontrunners Sir Keir Starmer and Rebecca Long Bailey - even when shown their photographs.
Rebecca Long Bailey, is simply a female corbyn clone. Her election would be a total farce seeing as the electorate heartily rejected compo and all who sailed with him.
Are Labour actively seeking wilderness years? It certainly seems so to me. The power of analysis and application of lessons learnt is sadly lacking in the labour camp. They appear to believe that filling the blogosphere with "we won the argument" is sufficient to make friends and influence people. Have I got news for them!
I think the British people deserve better of an opposition party than the dregs that are on offer.

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 07 Jan 20 - 02:11 PM

"....with an E"...??????????

You're a hardcore all night Rave dancer... innit... resprec' bruv...

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Stanron
Date: 07 Jan 20 - 02:04 PM

No alcohol for me now until Jan 31, and even then it won't be any kind of lager. If I wanted beer it would be a pint of Hydes Anvil at the Jolly Angler but getting out and back without driving is too much faff these days. I'll get a couple of bottles of some craft beer from a supermarket and top it up with some whiskey with an E.

In the meantime refreshing me right now is some cold tea and lemonade. I should sell it in cans.

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 07 Jan 20 - 01:22 PM

If you want something refreshing, Stanron, I suggest that Heineken is a better alternative :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Iains
Date: 07 Jan 20 - 10:19 AM

Donuel, thanks for bringing it to mind. I must check if my rabies shots are still valid. Sometimes a mere leash is insufficient, declawing and a compulsory muzzle are oftimes vital requisites.
I must say the usual leftie insults of stupid, waycist, bigot etc etc have diminished in recent days. No doubt due to a distinct lack of credibility post 12/12.
Interesting the Libdumb remaining wraiths are trying to scupper Nigel's brexit party in London due the end of january.

Meanwhile compo has had a bit of a shuffle, according to Guido. He has yet to decide on his shadow minister of walkies, whose resposibility will be to formulate plans for wilderness travelling, hopefully dodging any burning bushes, if Oz is owt to go by!

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 07 Jan 20 - 10:04 AM

Stan - Thanks.. I try my best to remain reasonable and objective,
though my sense of sardonic absurdist humour and sarcasm
does get a bit too carried away at times...

I depair more than I celebrate in British politics...

I don't know who, what, or how many post under the "Iains" ID..
But amongst the multiple personalities on display, is an interesting bloke
with life experiences worth hearing about.

But I rarely encounter that "Iains" in these few BS threads I bother with...

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 07 Jan 20 - 09:56 AM

It was me that made the mistake, Donuel. I had in mind that the poster named Mrrzy had mentioned being female but my memory must be faulty.

Apologies if required mrrzy. In my defence, as your posts are measured and reasonable rather than the usual sabre rattling variety, it was an easy mistake to make :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Stanron
Date: 07 Jan 20 - 09:35 AM

punkfolkrocker wrote: I wonder if Stanron and Nigel find Iains to be an embarrassing liability to their side

I don't find Iains's posts embarrassing. They are a refreshing alternative to the rather tedious group think that comes from the other side. I find your contributions can be a pleasant change as well but in a different kind of way.

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Donuel
Date: 07 Jan 20 - 09:31 AM

Oh thats what italics mean in Nigelese. sorry.

Iains practically has some leavers on a leash. I prefer cats myself.

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 07 Jan 20 - 09:20 AM

I wonder if Stanron and Nigel find Iains to be an embarrassing liability to their side,
rather than a trusty attack dog...????

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 07 Jan 20 - 09:16 AM

"heard"...

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 07 Jan 20 - 09:12 AM

Btw.. I voted remain as at that time as I was too sceptical of the typical leaver reasoning and arguments..

But I could have been open to considering intelligent reasonable honest objective persuasion..

If there'd seriously been any...

But all I head were nasty vindictive insulting leaver fanatics...
Who only got increasingly more vicious.. even though they won..

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 07 Jan 20 - 09:06 AM

Donuel, make a mental note to read carefully before commenting.
I didn't use any gender or pronoun about Mrrzy except in a direct quote of Dave's comment:
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 06 Jan 20 - 05:38 PM
I think Mrrzy is quite capable of making up her own mind Nigel.

However, if I had made such a mistake, it would be understandable when commenting on a member whose membership name on the forum gives no clue as to gender.

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 07 Jan 20 - 09:04 AM

"OH dear oh dear. Yet another whining remainiac loser."

sneered with the venomous belligerence of an active supporter of a tyrannical dictatorship...

All Dissenters beware....

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Donuel
Date: 07 Jan 20 - 08:51 AM

Nigel, make a mental note that Mrrzy is male, not female. His second hand familial experience with the diplomatic corps and avatar may have confused you.

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 07 Jan 20 - 08:44 AM

”They speak English”

Of a sort... ;-)

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Raggytash
Date: 07 Jan 20 - 08:20 AM

I suspect that the UK will suffer many rebuttals in it's negotiations in the next few months and years. To some extent the UK may be viewed as a pariah.

Some of us expected as much. Time alone will tell.

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 07 Jan 20 - 08:11 AM

Aussies are OK, BWM. They speak English and don't eat garlic...

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 07 Jan 20 - 08:02 AM

Not a very auspicious start!

Can any of the Brexiteers on here explain why the UK is pursuing trade deals which include free movement, when a major part of the Leave campaign was based on their objection to free movement, and a desire to ‘control immigration’?

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Iains
Date: 07 Jan 20 - 07:59 AM

I must say I do like tha caliber of the prospective Labour leadership candidates.
I cannot decide what they need most:
A deckchair management course for the Titanic?
or perhaps
A Bear Gryll's course on wilderness survival?

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 07 Jan 20 - 06:11 AM

I think you’re probably correct, Nigel, although I think his use of the term ‘oven-ready’ is a deliberate Dom ‘n’ Dumberism intended to deceive the electorate into believing that the entire business of leaving with trade and customs agreements in place by the end of 2020 is a foregone conclusion.

Of course, you and I are intelligent enough to know that that is far from being the case and, in fact, a crash-out with no such agreements at the end of 2020 is an odds-on bet.

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 07 Jan 20 - 05:43 AM

I think Mrrzy is quite capable of making up her own mind Nigel. The fact remains that the GAP has told so many lies it has become necessary to doubt his every word. I do hope he does have a deal lined up but until the ink is dry, I will not believe it.

I agree that Mrrzy is quite capable. I was just pointing out that your (implied) assumption that the 'oven-ready deal' relates to December 2020 may not be the true implied meaning from Boris Johnson. I believe that it applied to January 2020, and was the replacement for May's deal which couldn't pass Parliament, and which included details on Northern Ireland which would allow for an agreement by the EU allowing us to leave 'with a deal' in January although there are now further details to be sorted out by the end of 2020.

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Stanron
Date: 07 Jan 20 - 03:38 AM

Iains wrote: There is a God in Heaven

He wont like that!


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Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Iains
Date: 07 Jan 20 - 02:28 AM

Why do we bother keeping up the pretence that Britain is a democracy...???
OH dear oh dear. Yet another whining remainiac loser.

Democracy was restored in the UK when the rebels and traitors became chlorinated turkeys in time for Christmas, after a thorough trouncing in the polls. As a result Bojo could finally honour his promise "to get brexit done" by way of a landslide majority. Democracy restored.
The prosecco kid is obviously still sore that after all his hubris he lost.

There is a God in Heaven

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Donuel
Date: 06 Jan 20 - 09:37 PM

The UK is a democracy; with more cameras watching people than people watching cameras, secret police, odd elections, a slow steady transposition of values, useful clown heads of state and a polarized population. You know like the US.

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 06 Jan 20 - 07:06 PM

The correct answer to that, Bill, is "yes." :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Mossback
Date: 06 Jan 20 - 06:40 PM

Now here's something else that belongs in two threads: Who is the bigger lying sack of shit and threat to democratic government world-wide: Trump or Johnson??

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 06 Jan 20 - 06:39 PM

"should the Equality and Human Rights Commission find labour guilty of antisemitism"

.. and I'd prefer a new labour leader who has backbone to stand up and fight back
against malicious false accusers...

I just found an old photo of my Polish Jewish family lines's entire community
being rounded up for deportation and extermination
by the nazis...

Now that was real anti-Semitism...

The kind of anti-Semitism still most likely to be ingrained in the worst far right tories...

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 06 Jan 20 - 06:14 PM

Why do we bother keeping up the pretence that Britain is a democracy...???

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 06 Jan 20 - 06:02 PM

I've put this in the war thread as well. The attack in Iran has potentially nobbled the UK's pledge to "take back control." Trump has form. You can bet your life that the UK getting onside with the US over Iran will be an absolute condition of our getting a trade deal. We will go cap in hand to Trump. Hey, brexiteers, did you see that on your ballot paper? :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Iains
Date: 06 Jan 20 - 05:51 PM

Nigel. Ideology outrules common sense.
Labour is almost skint. They want to lay off most of their payroll. The unions say no. The unions also heavily bankroll Labour.
Everything labour touches of late has turned to ashes. How sad! It is also pertinent to point out that should the Equality and Human Rights Commission find labour guilty of antisemitism then it is likely the resultant lawsuits will totally bankrupt the party. If there are any sensible labour MPs left after the recent cull they would be wise to split and form another party and leave corbynites and momentum in the wilderness where they belong.

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 06 Jan 20 - 05:38 PM

I think Mrrzy is quite capable of making up her own mind Nigel. The fact remains that the GAP has told so many lies it has become necessary to doubt his every word. I do hope he does have a deal lined up but until the ink is dry, I will not believe it.

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 06 Jan 20 - 04:51 PM

From: Iains
Date: 06 Jan 20 - 11:05 AM
I see to vote in the labour elections 25£ must cross palms. They obviously despise deplorables. Another vote winner for metropolitan labour.

What a coincidence, £25- could also get you membership of the Conservative Party (Under 23s £5-, Armed Forces £15-).
If someone's going to spend £25 wouldn't it better to spend it joining a winning team?

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 06 Jan 20 - 04:45 PM

The main one, Mrrzy, was the pledge to leave the EU with an "oven ready" deal. In the first week that was put in doubt by making any extension to leaving illegal. This means that if no deal is reached in time we will leave without a deal. Of course we all hope that a good deal will be achieved and there is time yet but it does show that BoJo's statement that he had a deal already was a lie

That was not my understanding of the oven-ready deal. My understanding was that it was a deal acceptable to the EU, and for which Parliament would vote, thus enabling us to leave the EU (on 31 Jan). There will still be negotiations to see what future trading terms will be, but that will be after we are out with the oven-ready deal.
As such it is not a broken pledge, it is one that will be completed on time on 31 Jan 2020.

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Iains
Date: 06 Jan 20 - 11:05 AM

With luck before the end of the year we can have oven ready chlorinated chickens, unless the loser barrister, that clubs foxes to death, has a winning streak. No deal is a useful club to make the EU behave. German car makers would be most upset with no deal. Meanwhile let the moaners rewmoan. Since the election they are best ignored, no numbers equals no infuence- Good. After 3 years of leftie procrastination and sabotage the peoples majority vote of 2016 can now be respected.
I see to vote in the labour elections 25£ must cross palms. They obviously despise deplorables. Another vote winner for metropolitan labour. I suspect the labour wilderness is fast becoming off planet, the news just keeps getting better.
What did bojo say?Get brexit done:
What did labour say besides come away with the faeries? The electorate smote them mightily!

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 06 Jan 20 - 10:30 AM

”Even more hilarious coming fron a leftard that does not understand the parliamentary process. Do you seriously believe ministers draft legislation or do ministers and advisors? Having drafted it, it must pass scrutiny by both chambers and be successfully voted into law.””

I understand the parliamentary process very well thank you. It’s you Brexit-Bumpkins who failed to understand that similar, almost identical processes exist in the EU - hence the stupidity of your claims that we need to leave the EU because it is ‘run by unelected bureaucrats’.

I’ve lost count of the number of times I asked Leave-voters what they thought the House of Lords and the Civil Service were, only to be met with blank stares...

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 06 Jan 20 - 10:12 AM

The main one, Mrrzy, was the pledge to leave the EU with an "oven ready" deal. In the first week that was put in doubt by making any extension to leaving illegal. This means that if no deal is reached in time we will leave without a deal. Of course we all hope that a good deal will be achieved and there is time yet but it does show that BoJo's statement that he had a deal already was a lie. Everyone seemed to know that he is a pathological liar but voted for him.anyway. As they say, there's nowt so queer as folk!

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Raggytash
Date: 06 Jan 20 - 09:53 AM

They've not been in power a month yet Mrrzy, however there were indications in the first week that pledges are to be ignored.

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Mrrzy
Date: 06 Jan 20 - 09:42 AM

So, um, *were* any kept? Campaign promises, I mean, not politicians.

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Iains
Date: 06 Jan 20 - 09:20 AM

Hilarious, coming from one of those wazzocks who loudly and regularly denounced the EU because ‘it is run by unelected bureaucrats

Even more hilarious coming fron a leftard that does not understand the parliamentary process. Do you seriously believe ministers draft legislation or do ministers and advisors? Having drafted it, it must pass scrutiny by both chambers and be successfully voted into law.
Restricting the vote to the mentally agile has much to recommend it.

Meanwhile as if labour does not have enough tribulations, good old guido has uncovered another labour candidate that will create yet another investigation into labour by the Equality and Human Rights Commission.
Labour’s Chetan Harpale has in the last few months tweeted about “Londonistan“, the ‘so-called peaceful religion’, and shared a message calling Pakistani Muslims “a stain on this planet.”
He is the candidate for the safe Labour ward of Alperton, for a by-election on 23 January. For how much longer I ask myself?
Here is the link for the lefties to chew over:

https://order-order.com/2020/01/06/labour-candidate-shared-message-calling-pakistani-muslims-stain-planet/#disqus_thread

and for those concerned about dodgy statistics on unemployment here is the original document from the hoss's mouth rather than it's arse:
https://www.resolutionfoundation.org/app/uploads/2020/01/Never-ever.pdf
Perhaps the author's were humanity grads. When the Royal Statistical Society recently tested the ability of honourable members to answer a relatively simple mathematical question.
if you spin a coin twice, what is the probability of getting two heads?* 53% of tories got it right, and despite copious quantities of mathermagic 77% of Labour got it rong.

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 06 Jan 20 - 07:53 AM

“I have no doubt DC has it all carefully planned.”

Hilarious, coming from one of those wazzocks who loudly and regularly denounced the EU because ‘it is run by unelected bureaucrats’!

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 06 Jan 20 - 07:00 AM

I thought BoJo was in hiding. I guess they must have found him. Was he in the fridge?I

:D

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Raggytash
Date: 06 Jan 20 - 06:48 AM

"But key member states – Germany, France and the departing United Kingdom – refused to shed a tear for the death of General Soleimani, the second most influential man in Iran."

An article in the press today:PM calls for restraint

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Iains
Date: 06 Jan 20 - 06:15 AM

Anyway back to the thread and the great unravelling that is the Labour party( A joy to behold indeed)
Good to see the rejoiner Jess Phillips has been forced to backrack and admit her party must accept the result of the EU referendum - despite previously saying she would campaign to rejoin the EU.
She will make a good shoe in for compo. He could not make up his mind either. I would applaud her election, Churchill had a mere two decades in the political wilderness. How many will Ms pushme pullmeo generate?
It is pertinent to point out that this silly woman was elected in a huge vote leaving constituency. I fail to understand how they elected her, given her stance.However some always fall through the cracks, although how she managed to fall through a crack will be forever a mystery to me. Perhaps it is the madness that is crowds.
The news also explains that the mighty Bojo has a report on his desk to dismantle the Lords. I hope he is very careful about unintended consequences such as that of creating a supreme court and the fixed term parliament act. I have no doubt DC has it all carefully planned. I suspect forthcoming legislation will put the Lords up against a wall, as they cannot veto government legislation.(since the parliament act of 1911) Exciting times for UK democracy and the regaining of sovereignty by taking back control
I see the United states of Europe is most disunited over it's response to the recent Trump foreign policy action. The European Union’s foreign affairs chief, Josep Borrell, issued a personal invitation to his counterpart in Tehran in a bid to de-escalate the tensions in the Middle East. But key member states – Germany, France and the departing United Kingdom – refused to shed a tear for the death of General Soleimani, the second most influential man in Iran.
Good to see the EU federal foreign policy decisions are off to a cracking start.