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BS: History of carrots and sticks

Mrrzy 11 Jan 20 - 11:56 AM
Senoufou 11 Jan 20 - 02:55 PM
Mrrzy 11 Jan 20 - 03:28 PM
Steve Shaw 11 Jan 20 - 08:29 PM
robomatic 11 Jan 20 - 08:37 PM
Bee-dubya-ell 12 Jan 20 - 12:59 AM
Donuel 12 Jan 20 - 05:25 AM
Senoufou 12 Jan 20 - 05:44 AM
Mrrzy 12 Jan 20 - 06:25 AM
Donuel 12 Jan 20 - 08:03 AM
robomatic 12 Jan 20 - 11:50 AM
keberoxu 12 Jan 20 - 03:08 PM

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Subject: BS: History of carrots and sticks
From: Mrrzy
Date: 11 Jan 20 - 11:56 AM

Does anyone know when the carrot ON the stick (dangled in front of the donkey you're riding to make it [the donkey] go forwards) became carrot=bribe/reward and stick=punishment? As in the carrot OR the stick? I thought I asked this a while back... Google has not answered. I have not found the old thread, either.

I rely on you old folks[ie]s...


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Subject: RE: BS: History of carrots and sticks
From: Senoufou
Date: 11 Jan 20 - 02:55 PM

I've always thought the expression 'carrot ON a stick' was derived fairly recently from cartoons in children's comics etc. (possibly in the fifties). Up until then, it was 'carrot OR a stick'.

The phrase 'carrot OR stick' was often quoted when I was doing my PGCE (Post Graduate Certificate of Education) with the obvious implication that the carrot was preferable when dealing with recalcitrant pupils!


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Subject: RE: BS: History of carrots and sticks
From: Mrrzy
Date: 11 Jan 20 - 03:28 PM

Interesting. I certainly grew up with carrot on a stick, and did not start seeing carrot or stick till lately.


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Subject: RE: BS: History of carrots and sticks
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 11 Jan 20 - 08:29 PM

Carrot or stick in modern usage (or carrot and stick) refers to the enticement to do the right thing (the carrot) or the coercion to do the right thing (the stick). The right thing is determined by the owner of the carrot and stick. It may not necessarily be the right thing at all.


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Subject: RE: BS: History of carrots and sticks
From: robomatic
Date: 11 Jan 20 - 08:37 PM

I've never heard of carrot 'on' a stick. Most carrots I know would crack if put on a stick without first boring a hole in them, and then you'd have to get out a caliper and a drillset first. Sounds like too much trouble.

I guess you could 'cook' the carrot and make it soft, no no no. Then you'd have to gauge softness and if the carrot was too skinny it'd still split at the very least.

Oh, maybe you meant glue the carrot to the...........


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Subject: RE: BS: History of carrots and sticks
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 12 Jan 20 - 12:59 AM

The carrot is tied to the stick using twine so it dangles enticingly in front of the donkey.

Personally, I think "carrot on a stick" and "carrot or stick" are perfectly compatible. First, you dangle the carrot on the stick in front of the donkey. If the donkey does what you want, you eventually give it the carrot. If the donkey doesn't do what you want, you untie the carrot and beat the donkey with the stick.


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Subject: RE: BS: History of carrots and sticks
From: Donuel
Date: 12 Jan 20 - 05:25 AM

Reward/carrot or punishment/stick was oft one way. The reward was not getting the stick. The punishment was a 1cm thick oak meter stick with folded metal ends.
9th grade teacher Mr. Baker applied the stick so strenuously that once I saw it shatter into a dozen sharp shards that lacerated the face of an unintended innocent female victim nearby. Jay Purdy was the favorite innocent victim who grew a thick hide for life


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Subject: RE: BS: History of carrots and sticks
From: Senoufou
Date: 12 Jan 20 - 05:44 AM

That's true Donuel. At grammar school we had a stern headmaster and a savage headmistress. The latter would larrup people with the cane (a thin, swishy thing) with apparent relish. It made victims sob with the pain. Sinister.
I was never caned (model pupil!)

When I taught in Scotland, the tawse was the instrument of torture. Three strips of stiff leather with the uncut bit as the handle.
There was a special version called the Lochgelly which was extra-thick and used on the big boys. I never used any such things on my pupils. Barbaric.
I always found that 'carrots' worked admirably. Motivating and satisfying for the pupils to have a reward.

Now all such violent punishments are banned. And a good thing too!


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Subject: RE: BS: History of carrots and sticks
From: Mrrzy
Date: 12 Jan 20 - 06:25 AM

The French I grew up with didn't cane, but they would pick you up out of your chair by one ear. Ow.


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Subject: RE: BS: History of carrots and sticks
From: Donuel
Date: 12 Jan 20 - 08:03 AM

Teachers had the neck shoulder pinch, the knee to kidney, the knuckle buster, the face slap, the belt.. ah memories. Students had the nipple twister, the pencil stab, the right cross, the oak chair throw...


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Subject: RE: BS: History of carrots and sticks
From: robomatic
Date: 12 Jan 20 - 11:50 AM

Festus road a mule.


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Subject: RE: BS: History of carrots and sticks
From: keberoxu
Date: 12 Jan 20 - 03:08 PM

"Carrot And A Stick" is the version I recall.


Winston Churchill quotations


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