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BS: Thoughts for Mrrzy

Steve Shaw 29 Jan 20 - 01:55 PM
punkfolkrocker 29 Jan 20 - 01:12 PM
Mrrzy 29 Jan 20 - 07:23 AM
Steve Shaw 28 Jan 20 - 09:06 PM
Mrrzy 28 Jan 20 - 08:50 PM
Donuel 28 Jan 20 - 07:51 PM
Steve Shaw 28 Jan 20 - 02:27 PM
Helen 28 Jan 20 - 01:51 PM
Mrrzy 28 Jan 20 - 12:08 PM
Black belt caterpillar wrestler 28 Jan 20 - 08:13 AM
Mrrzy 28 Jan 20 - 08:04 AM
Helen 27 Jan 20 - 09:29 PM
Mrrzy 27 Jan 20 - 08:55 PM
keberoxu 27 Jan 20 - 07:13 PM
Bill D 27 Jan 20 - 06:19 PM
Helen 27 Jan 20 - 04:03 PM
Senoufou 27 Jan 20 - 03:38 PM
Mrrzy 27 Jan 20 - 03:34 PM
Mrrzy 27 Jan 20 - 11:14 AM
Donuel 27 Jan 20 - 09:00 AM
Senoufou 27 Jan 20 - 08:24 AM
Mrrzy 27 Jan 20 - 07:17 AM
Bonnie Shaljean 26 Jan 20 - 06:34 PM
Donuel 26 Jan 20 - 06:23 PM
Mrrzy 26 Jan 20 - 06:11 PM
Senoufou 26 Jan 20 - 01:13 PM
keberoxu 26 Jan 20 - 12:04 PM
Jeri 26 Jan 20 - 11:59 AM
Mrrzy 26 Jan 20 - 11:19 AM
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Mrrzy 26 Jan 20 - 07:17 AM
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Subject: RE: BS: Thoughts for Mrrzy
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 29 Jan 20 - 01:55 PM

I'm exactly the same. And you don't want to be in a car with me when I'm on my own...


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Subject: RE: BS: Thoughts for Mrrzy
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 29 Jan 20 - 01:12 PM

My mantra for getting through life is "bollocks to the lot of 'em"...!!!

.. and I spend a lot of time alone in the house
grumpily telling random inanimate objects / household appliances to "f@ck off"..

My wife really fails to understand how therapeutic that feels, but she humours me...


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Subject: RE: BS: Thoughts for Mrrzy
From: Mrrzy
Date: 29 Jan 20 - 07:23 AM

Sure, Steve Shaw! I get you, but don't feel you (which is probably a good thing!)!


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Subject: RE: BS: Thoughts for Mrrzy
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 28 Jan 20 - 09:06 PM

Well it's the way I see it!


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Subject: RE: BS: Thoughts for Mrrzy
From: Mrrzy
Date: 28 Jan 20 - 08:50 PM

Steve Shaw, that description of your trees is lovely, and I feel an urge to explain further what I mean. And pick nits! Feel free to pick back!

But only sunshine (or sometimes moonshine) can make earthly things beautiful.
Um, sorry, to me they are already beautiful. Light helps / enables you to see the beauty, sure, but a brook in total darkness is still beautiful.

When you see something beautiful on this earth, and recognise it for that, you're making the earth your very own.
Um, seems non sequitur to me. What does cherishing have to do with owning? If I love your dog it does not make it my dog.

A lot of physics and chemistry and one-day-explicable mysteries made that sunshine. No-one gave it to you, but it offers itself to you for your taking of the things it makes beautiful.
OK, this is what bugs me. It is not *offering* jack, it just is.

Which I cherish.

But am not grateful for. Gratitude is for intentional beings. To me. And being buried in the American version of gratitude which is ALWAYS about their god, seriously, I barf at them.

Helen, am gonna read thread II tomorrow. Lovely, and the limericks!


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Subject: RE: BS: Thoughts for Mrrzy
From: Donuel
Date: 28 Jan 20 - 07:51 PM

You are not just fluent in the English language you are erudite.
I'd settle for fluent.


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Subject: RE: BS: Thoughts for Mrrzy
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 28 Jan 20 - 02:27 PM

"I am not *grateful* for the sunshine, nobody gave it to me, it just is, because physics."

But only sunshine (or sometimes moonshine) can make earthly things beautiful. There's a line of small trees in a long hedge near my house. The low sun this morning cast stripes of pale shadows of them, a hundred times longer than the trees, across the green field beyond. When you see something beautiful on this earth, and recognise it for that, you're making the earth your very own. A lot of physics and chemistry and one-day-explicable mysteries made that sunshine. No-one gave it to you, but it offers itself to you for your taking of the things it makes beautiful.

Join the Cloud Appreciation Society and sign up for their Cloud A Day emails. Get rid of that blue-sky thinking!

Man said to his doctor, Doc, I'm having terrible trouble pronouncing my Fs and THs. The doc said, Well you can't say fairer than that, then...


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Subject: RE: BS: Thoughts for Mrrzy
From: Helen
Date: 28 Jan 20 - 01:51 PM

Yep, I've meditated on very similar themes about that boss.

I thought you might like that thread. I'll have to re-read the whole lot. I don't remember the one about the cherry.


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Subject: RE: BS: Thoughts for Mrrzy
From: Mrrzy
Date: 28 Jan 20 - 12:08 PM

Piers Anthony is a good thought


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Subject: RE: BS: Thoughts for Mrrzy
From: Black belt caterpillar wrestler
Date: 28 Jan 20 - 08:13 AM

Did Piers Anthony have something about the "Slough of despond" somewhere in his "Pale horse"(or whatever it was known as) series?
Just a thought as another place to come across it.

Best wishes,

Robin


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Subject: RE: BS: Thoughts for Mrrzy
From: Mrrzy
Date: 28 Jan 20 - 08:04 AM

Wow, *GREAT* thread, wyswyg (sp?) was a newbie and the Albert and the Lion reminded me tremendously of Pierre from Sendak's Nutshell Library (they drove the lion into town, the doctor shook him up and down, and when the lion gave a roar Pierre fell out upon the floor). Laughed out loud at the cherry joke!

I am also reminded of a boss-related meditation starting with the lovely woods... the gentle brook... feel the cool water... look into the stream... see the face of the boss whose head you are holding under the water...

And oh, can I sing limericks for hours too. Troll was probably familiar with Oscar Brand, at least that's where I learned the iambic pentameter one.

Gonna stop commenting on the thread itself, thank you SO MUCH Helen, y'all go read it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Thoughts for Mrrzy
From: Helen
Date: 27 Jan 20 - 09:29 PM

Hey Mrrzy, you just reminded me of a thread I started back in early 2000.

Help: Lost my sense of humour

Some people thought I was .... well, I don't know what they thought my intention was in starting the thread, but it was a serious cry for help. 1999 to 2000 was one of the darkest, scariest periods of my life in terms of being bullied by someone in a position of power, and the eureka moment occurred to me that I had lost my sense of humour and I asked the Mudcatters to help me to find it again.

Everyone kindly contributed their jokes to help me to find it again, and seriously, it didn't take very long at all for me to start feeling that sense of balance again in my life. It was a lot to do with the humour, but even more to do with the care and concern of Mudcatters for someone they had never even met. I'll cherish that forever.


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Subject: RE: BS: Thoughts for Mrrzy
From: Mrrzy
Date: 27 Jan 20 - 08:55 PM

I remember ghoti.

I tell jokes but have not heard any new ones.


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Subject: RE: BS: Thoughts for Mrrzy
From: keberoxu
Date: 27 Jan 20 - 07:13 PM

Cheering you on, and your beloved Tim.


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Subject: RE: BS: Thoughts for Mrrzy
From: Bill D
Date: 27 Jan 20 - 06:19 PM

"The wind was rough
And cold & blough
She kept her hands
Inside her mough."

Keep on keeping on Mrrzy.... and do think about the Getaway we talked about briefly.


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Subject: RE: BS: Thoughts for Mrrzy
From: Helen
Date: 27 Jan 20 - 04:03 PM

Hi Mrrzy, I'm very happy to hear that you are working your way through this.

Prosopagnosia - what a whacky coincidence! Last night I watched a re-run of a really good TV programme in Oz called Anh's Brush with Fame

Anh interviews a well known person and at the same time he paints the person's portrait. Brilliant! Amazing! Interesting, enlightening, special.

Last night's show featured a brilliant academic and media presenter called
Dr Karl Kruszelnicki who has more degrees than you can poke a stick at, including a medical degree and he worked for a time as a children's doctor.

He explained that he has prosopagnosia so he was also talking about whether he would recognise his own face in the finished portrait.

I probably wouldn't use the term "slough" because there are too many possible ways it could be pronounced.

"ough" - pronounced "oh" like in "although"
"ough" - pronounced "ow" like in "plough" or "plow"
"ough" - pronounced "off" like in "cough"

At least the "sl" is straightforward and unambiguous. LOL

It reminds me of the funny/joke spelling of "fish" i.e. ghoti.

"gh" pronounced "ff" as in "cough"
"o" pronounced "i" as in "women"
"ti" pronounced "sh" as in "nation

Sorry, just trying to make you laugh at the funny way my brain works.


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Subject: RE: BS: Thoughts for Mrrzy
From: Senoufou
Date: 27 Jan 20 - 03:38 PM

So pleased to hear this Mrrzy. Tim has done the right thing. You must be feeling very relieved!


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Subject: RE: BS: Thoughts for Mrrzy
From: Mrrzy
Date: 27 Jan 20 - 03:34 PM

Oh and some actually excellent news, Tim passed the 3-day hold audition BUT DECIDED TO STAY VOLUNTARILY for another 5 days! So impressed with him. So relieved for me.


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Subject: RE: BS: Thoughts for Mrrzy
From: Mrrzy
Date: 27 Jan 20 - 11:14 AM

Senoufou, je te comprends, toi.

While I have mental anguish, great word, anguish, I think of myself as having been a victim of / having survived what anguished/anguishes me, not of the anguish itself, if that makes sense. So, yeah, Donuel.


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Subject: RE: BS: Thoughts for Mrrzy
From: Donuel
Date: 27 Jan 20 - 09:00 AM

Its probably my unique POV but going a different direction may involve mental anguish but it doesn't make one a mental anguish victim.

We are all such creatures of habit that changing/transforming habits takes alot of energy. Even thoughts/memories can be habits.

On the other hand it is amazing how we can adapt to new conditions.


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Subject: RE: BS: Thoughts for Mrrzy
From: Senoufou
Date: 27 Jan 20 - 08:24 AM

Hope you can find 'The Wicket Gate' Mrrzy, and 'The House of the Interpreter', so you finally reach 'The Celestial Way' (all from 'The Pilgrim's Progress'!). Not trying to push religion on you, but instead wishing you relief from your mental anguish and hoping that you find the way forward in your recovery.


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Subject: RE: BS: Thoughts for Mrrzy
From: Mrrzy
Date: 27 Jan 20 - 07:17 AM

Just saw the Princess Bride again last night on BBC - pit of despair, so the slough of despond must have been somewhere else. What an excellent film. I would like to re-see Master and Commander, of pun and pickpocket fame, too.

Rounding the bend into week 2. Don't flink (feel/think, I just made that up) that I'll be safe in another week, but hey, they do do really good work here. It would be stellar if they could get their story straight - I *did* take my bedside lamp-y thing in yesterday morning to be recharged, but then when I wanted to go to bed, none of the night staff knew *where* it was being charged.

Looked it up - slough of despond was Pilgrim's Progress, which I have never read so I wonder where I read or heard of it. I would have guessed Phantom Tollbooth but that was the Doldrums now that I think about it.

You folks and folkies all do great work too, with me I mean, not that it's work, of course, I know you love me. Known that for years. That's why I'm here, in many senses (yeah, I know, mostly visual, but hey nonny nonny)...


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Subject: RE: BS: Thoughts for Mrrzy
From: Bonnie Shaljean
Date: 26 Jan 20 - 06:34 PM

Blimey, first dicto I looked in didn't even have it...


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Subject: RE: BS: Thoughts for Mrrzy
From: Donuel
Date: 26 Jan 20 - 06:23 PM

I'm going to the dictionary, thank Mrzzy.


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Subject: RE: BS: Thoughts for Mrrzy
From: Mrrzy
Date: 26 Jan 20 - 06:11 PM

I think there was a slough of something in The Princess Bride, too.

Happy and grateful are distinct to me but I am also embedded in a culture of assumed xtianity so they don't thank people who actually do things, as in, the surgeon saved my live, thank god, not thank the surgeon, or I just accomplished this thing, thank god, not I'm proud of myself. Dehumanizing all around.

Good meeting with the elder boy today. And yes it's spelled that way because of Wesley "shut up, Wesley!" Crusher. But I hadn't seen him in a while, he's changed his hair and beard, and I didn't recognize him. They said young man here to see you, I looked and said no idea who that is, got a really shocked look from the clinician, looked again... I want to write a ballad of prosopagnosia.


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Subject: RE: BS: Thoughts for Mrrzy
From: Senoufou
Date: 26 Jan 20 - 01:13 PM

Good for you Mrrzy, you've managed a week already!
I'm no psychologist, but I'd have thought just relaxing, finding small pleasures and not thinking too hard can be very healing, before you start to analyse and confront your great griefs.

You sound rather more 'upbeat' and I do hope this continues.
Everyone on here is thinking about you, and sending lots of good wishes.
Big hugs, and dew yew keep a-troshing!
Eliza x


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Subject: RE: BS: Thoughts for Mrrzy
From: keberoxu
Date: 26 Jan 20 - 12:04 PM

Wasn't it John Bunyan in Pilgrim's Progress who spoke of
The Slough of Despond?

The sooner one can slough off the despond, the better.
Hope the sun shines for you, regardless of gratitude.


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Subject: RE: BS: Thoughts for Mrrzy
From: Jeri
Date: 26 Jan 20 - 11:59 AM

I tend to think "grateful" is saying I'm glad for it. Nobody else involved. I'm happy you seem to be doing better. Grateful? Praise the continuity of life, and the fact we're predisposed to heal.


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Subject: RE: BS: Thoughts for Mrrzy
From: Mrrzy
Date: 26 Jan 20 - 11:19 AM

Getting better again from the slough of FeelNothing that Tim's crisis put me into. And I love the word slough.

Another beef though is that they really need a program for atheists. There is no religion/church/preaching but can't we stop talking about gratitude and start talking about hope and joy? I am not *grateful* for the sunshine, nobody gave it to me, it just is, because physics. I *do* cherish it. The sunshine, that is. And physics, for that matter.

Ha ha get it?


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Subject: RE: BS: Thoughts for Mrrzy
From: robomatic
Date: 26 Jan 20 - 09:30 AM

Mrrzy-

For me, music and The Simpsons make me smile and want to hear want to see.

Make my appendages greedy for more.

I am now greedy to read and hear

how you are.


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Subject: RE: BS: Thoughts for Mrrzy
From: Mrrzy
Date: 26 Jan 20 - 07:17 AM

1 week


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Subject: RE: BS: Thoughts for Mrrzy
From: keberoxu
Date: 25 Jan 20 - 12:22 PM

And your internet connection lacks sound.
Sounds like you need earbuds ...


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Subject: RE: BS: Thoughts for Mrrzy
From: Mrrzy
Date: 25 Jan 20 - 07:50 AM

Amergin, remember how hard we laughed at the "electric" fence at the zoo?

Then there are the inconsistencies - Person 1, you have to be in your room during quiet time. Person 2, you just can't use the computers, phones, or TV, but you can be out. 1-sure you can have a bagel during this meeting, 2-no you can't have a bagel in this room. 1-if your nightlight dies bring it back and we'll give you different one (they are rechargeable). Last night my light went out Oh, you can't have another, you have to bring it to us in the morning so we can charge it for you for later. I's enough to drive one crazy!

Ooh JUST got a phone call, Tim only has a 72-hour hold and I know where is is, which is about 5 hours away, bugger. Not that I can go but that means pretty much an overnight trip for anyone who can...

Relief is knowing what the deal is.


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Subject: RE: BS: Thoughts for Mrrzy
From: Donuel
Date: 25 Jan 20 - 07:40 AM

Good wishes are nice but sometimes the body and mind just have to throww uuup.
Fighting the urge to 'puke' lasts only so long. Euroope ptooey.
Its not a setback and soon you'll feel better. I'm speaking figuratively of course. Buick... pant pant.
We all do it but few talk about it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Thoughts for Mrrzy
From: Amergin
Date: 25 Jan 20 - 06:47 AM

Mrrzy, I fondly remember the time we met, many years ago, here in Portland. You're a great person, and I'm sorry you're going through the shit right now.

Anyway, y therapist told me not to focus so much on the big victories, but the small ones, the getting out of bed ones, the brushing teeth ones, the showering ones.

Because they all add up. Take care of yourself...and if things get worse don't be afraid to check out for a while. There's a nice hotel with staff that will give you the help you need.

I have many friends who have used such services from time to time. It saved their lives.


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Subject: RE: BS: Thoughts for Mrrzy
From: Joe Offer
Date: 24 Jan 20 - 08:08 PM

This makes me smile. Keep doing well, Mrrzy.
-Joe-


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Subject: RE: BS: Thoughts for Mrrzy
From: Mrrzy
Date: 24 Jan 20 - 08:03 PM

Yeah he's been sent somewhere but don't know if voluntary or where

Remember Chutes and Ladders? That one really long chute?


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Subject: RE: BS: Thoughts for Mrrzy
From: ChanteyLass
Date: 24 Jan 20 - 04:43 PM

Oh, Mrrzy, when it doesn't rain, it pours! I'm wishing for sunshine in your life and your son's life, too.


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Subject: RE: BS: Thoughts for Mrrzy
From: Bonnie Shaljean
Date: 24 Jan 20 - 04:03 PM

Forgot to add: xxxxxxxx’s

%!!*&#@*! Ipads...


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Subject: RE: BS: Thoughts for Mrrzy
From: Bonnie Shaljean
Date: 24 Jan 20 - 04:01 PM

Sorry... that wuz me saying Keep us posted


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Subject: RE: BS: Thoughts for Mrrzy
From: Bonnie Shaljean
Date: 24 Jan 20 - 04:00 PM


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Subject: RE: BS: Thoughts for Mrrzy
From: Mrrzy
Date: 24 Jan 20 - 03:10 PM

Fuck me sideways yeah right but apparently he called himself in so yay.


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Subject: RE: BS: Thoughts for Mrrzy
From: keberoxu
Date: 24 Jan 20 - 01:56 PM

Oh NO Mrrzy.
No, no, no, no, NO !!

Maybe it's the sun in mad old Aquarius ...


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Subject: RE: BS: Thoughts for Mrrzy
From: Mrrzy
Date: 24 Jan 20 - 01:28 PM

Aw fuck me sideways my younger son is back in the ER having another psychotic break


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Subject: RE: BS: Thoughts for Mrrzy
From: Senoufou
Date: 24 Jan 20 - 01:11 PM

Hahaaaaa Mrrzy! The Crumpet Strumpet eh? Can't wait for my husband to come home from his work so I can tell him. He'll laugh his head off I'm sure!


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Subject: RE: BS: Thoughts for Mrrzy
From: Helen
Date: 24 Jan 20 - 01:05 PM

You could try my crumpet favourite: good orange marmalade with a topping of mild cheese. It may not help nutritionally, but it might help you to feel good.

Hugs from Helen


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Subject: RE: BS: Thoughts for Mrrzy
From: Mrrzy
Date: 24 Jan 20 - 12:30 PM

Ooh, a crumpet strumpet! Totz approve.


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Subject: RE: BS: Thoughts for Mrrzy
From: Senoufou
Date: 24 Jan 20 - 04:12 AM

We weigh about the same Mrrzy, roughly eleven stone. And about the same height too.
I don't reckon it's necessary to eat large quantities of grub if you don't feel like it Just make sure you get the essential combination of proteins, vegetables and fruit, a bit of carbohydrate and...dozens and dozens of crumpets dripping with butter.
Oh, wait. Ignore that last one!


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Subject: RE: BS: Thoughts for Mrrzy
From: keberoxu
Date: 23 Jan 20 - 10:10 PM

Food and sleep, those are two of the biggies.
The meds, now, that's between you and the caregivers/doctors.
Anyway,
the sooner you are sleeping and eating -- no particular order --
with some relief for what you feel,
the better.


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Subject: RE: BS: Thoughts for Mrrzy
From: Mrrzy
Date: 23 Jan 20 - 09:13 PM

Actually the food is not bad, wish I wanted to eat it... At 5'3" I had been at about 160lbs for at least 10 years, down from a max of 214 in the 90's; propanolol last summer made me put on 20 lbs in 6 weeks so I made them take me off it (the propanolol, that is), and then just could not lose it (the weight, that is) - I weighed 179 on Dec 19, and when I checked in here on Jan 19 I weighed 161, and now I weigh 157 4 days later. Not a healthy variation.
Brits, divide by 14 to get my stones. Ha ha ha.


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