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BS: Thoughts for Mrrzy

Mrrzy 30 Jan 20 - 08:13 PM
Doug Chadwick 30 Jan 20 - 05:15 PM
Mrrzy 30 Jan 20 - 05:14 PM
olddude 30 Jan 20 - 04:44 PM
Mrrzy 30 Jan 20 - 04:22 PM
Helen 30 Jan 20 - 01:31 PM
keberoxu 30 Jan 20 - 12:37 PM
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punkfolkrocker 30 Jan 20 - 11:33 AM
Mrrzy 30 Jan 20 - 10:13 AM
Senoufou 30 Jan 20 - 08:00 AM
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Helen 30 Jan 20 - 04:57 AM
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Subject: RE: BS: Thoughts for Mrrzy
From: Mrrzy
Date: 30 Jan 20 - 08:13 PM

DC, that is a howl.

So, they are actually going to extend my stay here a few days (j'ai droit a des egards, as they say without accents). Then we shall seek longer term. Progress is being made but I do not feel safe to go home yet...


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Subject: RE: BS: Thoughts for Mrrzy
From: Doug Chadwick
Date: 30 Jan 20 - 05:15 PM

Mrrzy, I hope you won't take offense at this but as you have brought up the subject of poop:

The similar sounding River Mersey passes through several industrial towns on its way down to the sea past Liverpool. Although it has improved in recent times, it was not always the cleanest river in the world. Once there was a report of someone having fallen in the river and was feared drowned. When the question was asked "Was he able to swim to the bank?", the reply was "No, but he went through the motions".

DC


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Subject: RE: BS: Thoughts for Mrrzy
From: Mrrzy
Date: 30 Jan 20 - 05:14 PM

Doctor with rectal thermometer behind ear - Some asshole had their pencil.


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From: olddude
Date: 30 Jan 20 - 04:44 PM

I am a mathematician, I figure it out with a pencil


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Subject: RE: BS: Thoughts for Mrrzy
From: Mrrzy
Date: 30 Jan 20 - 04:22 PM

I'm a doctor, not a pooper-scooper!

DC, you made me laugh out loud.

I told Tim I was constipated, and he said Me too, must run in the genes! I laughed myself out of the waiting room.

I am back in my clinic and theoretically unplugged. On verra.


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Subject: RE: BS: Thoughts for Mrrzy
From: Helen
Date: 30 Jan 20 - 01:31 PM

Than some poop and some goop on a scoop?

I'm not a doctor either but I am an "end" user of figs, psyllium and prunes. LOL


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Subject: RE: BS: Thoughts for Mrrzy
From: keberoxu
Date: 30 Jan 20 - 12:37 PM

That was inspired!

Unfiltered apple juice does it with me;
probably for the same reason as the 'rough cider' suggested.
Has to be UNFILTERED though and you gotta swallow the pulp.
Not the same effect, at all, with strained clear apple juice.
The stuff in the ground-up apple pulp is said to be
pectin, containing malic acid.
Not only promotes peristalsis (sp?)
but softens deposits in gall-bladder 'bila.'
(NOT like olive oil, doesn't expel them -- simply softens them so that
they don't trigger an attack as they are cleared out)
Same disclaimer as Steve Shaw: I'm not a doctor either.


Whatever you do, Mrrzy,
DON'T go to the Brattleboro Retreat in Vermont!
In the past ten or twenty years,
that place has changed management, and
it has got so bad that the nurses are leaving en masse.
Once it set the standard for others. Terribly sad ...
... trust the nurses on that one.


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Subject: RE: BS: Thoughts for Mrrzy
From: Doug Chadwick
Date: 30 Jan 20 - 12:12 PM

There once was a Mrrzy whose poop
Could only be found by some goop
On the hands of a nurse.
Now, what could be worse?


Her next job was making the soup

DC


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Subject: RE: BS: Thoughts for Mrrzy
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 30 Jan 20 - 11:33 AM

Rough cider works a treat..

Sometimes on the way home from the pub, when you least expect it..
not even a warning fart...

One unwelcome reason I've given up drinking as i've got older...


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Subject: RE: BS: Thoughts for Mrrzy
From: Mrrzy
Date: 30 Jan 20 - 10:13 AM

My dad always said it isn't hot unless it burns you twice.

Off to the (medical) hospital soon, good-O.

More final lines to my limerick please!


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Subject: RE: BS: Thoughts for Mrrzy
From: Senoufou
Date: 30 Jan 20 - 08:00 AM

Hahahaaaaagh Mrrzy! Very funny!

My husband gets quite poorly if he's constipated (headaches and tiredness). He uses California syrup of figs. But over the years I've persuaded him to eat more potatoes and green vegetables than white rice. And of course his hot chilli Scotch Bonnets are very ...er... effective too!
Still thinking of you and sending more 'best wishes'.
Senoufou/Eliza


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Subject: RE: BS: Thoughts for Mrrzy
From: Mrrzy
Date: 30 Jan 20 - 07:40 AM

...The papers all getting the scoop?


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Subject: RE: BS: Thoughts for Mrrzy
From: Mrrzy
Date: 30 Jan 20 - 07:39 AM

Yeah, and ooh, I have a prune juice I forgot about.

Limerick challenge: Final line?

There once was a Mrrzy whose poop
Could only be found by some goop
On the hands of a nurse.
Now, what could be worse?
...


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Subject: RE: BS: Thoughts for Mrrzy
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 30 Jan 20 - 05:39 AM

Oh, I didn't know that! Cheers.

It isn't a laxative as such. It bulks out and softens the faeces so that when you go, you go. ;-). Great for anyone with, e.g., a fissure. It gives your gut some healthy work to do.   Laxatives on the other hand can make your gut lazy. I don't like 'em.

Cautionary note: I'm not a doc!

I wouldn't overdo the water drinking. Your pee shouldn't be pale all the time. All things in moderation...


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Subject: RE: BS: Thoughts for Mrrzy
From: Helen
Date: 30 Jan 20 - 04:57 AM

Ispaghula = psyllium.


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Subject: RE: BS: Thoughts for Mrrzy
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 30 Jan 20 - 04:53 AM

Figs are indeed very good. Over here you can buy sachets of Fybogel. They contain ground ispaghula husk. Mixed with water it forms a sort of gelatinous fibre which you drink quickly. Very gentle on the gut, much better than horrible things such as Senokot, etc. That'll sort you out or I'm a Dutchman.


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Subject: RE: BS: Thoughts for Mrrzy
From: Helen
Date: 29 Jan 20 - 10:53 PM

You have my sympathy on that problem, Mrrzy.

My two best remedies for a dearth of poop are to either:

1. eat a couple of fresh or dried figs a day, but you might need to lower the dose when they kick in and start doing their thing.
2. take a tablespoon of psyllium (brand name here is Metamucil but I buy the bulk health food store type with no extra added anything else) mixed with say half a cup of water and chug it down as quickly as possible followed by a glass of water, or make it more palatable and mix it with orange juice.

I mix it with my blended fruit & milk shake so I don't have a problem actually swallowing the gluggy stuff. It doesn't taste bad, in fact it doesn't really have much of a taste. It's the glugginess which makes it a chore.

So it's not a great experience but it works a treat. In fact, I only have it three times a week.


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Subject: RE: BS: Thoughts for Mrrzy
From: Mrrzy
Date: 29 Jan 20 - 09:31 PM

I like the idea that "you don't want to be with me when I'm alone" especially.

It looks as if I'll move from here into a long-term residential facility, all of which are hours and hours away from Charlottesville... for, like, 2-3 months.

Skip the next part if you're ooky about icky.



Also I really cannot poop, which I thought I had complained about here but apparently not, lucky you guys. Got here on a Sunday, and the following *Saturday* (after several complaints on my part I might add) there was a nurse, gloves, goop and I think a backhoe (ha ha), and a literal kilo of poop was excavated (yes, I had the sense to weigh myself before and after) over the course of about an hour and a half. Then Sunday was normal for me, and nothing since. I am taking stronger and stronger stool softeners/laxatives but they are refusing to re-excavate here (this is not a body-medical facility), I know you hope I'll keep you posted on that. Since I had my gall bladder out in 1989, I have usually produced something fairly liquid.

I think it's at least partly a reaction to no marijuana (I almost typed pot, ha ha), of which I have been a daily user since, with some breaks, 1977, and it is a great aid to gastric motility.

I looked up fecal impaction (which I don't actually have as I can, and do, still fart), and apparently it can kill you. My immediate thought was, Great, saves me the trouble.

Sigh.

More jokes after some sympathy? Recommendations for diet? I am pretty much eating salad and the occasional yogurt or egg as we don't get a lot of actual veg here, I drink so much water my pee is barely yellow at all, and I seem to not want the meat or the pasta or the other things I would normally eat, as they are not prepared the way I would have prepared them. Picky, picky. I am turning into Sally of When Harry Met Sally.

Which is a great movie.


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Subject: RE: BS: Thoughts for Mrrzy
From: Senoufou
Date: 29 Jan 20 - 03:15 PM

:)


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Subject: RE: BS: Thoughts for Mrrzy
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 29 Jan 20 - 02:40 PM

Sounds like you were pointing out too...

I'll get me coat...


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Subject: RE: BS: Thoughts for Mrrzy
From: Senoufou
Date: 29 Jan 20 - 02:31 PM

Regarding speaking to inanimate objects, I posted on here a long while back when I had a frozen shoulder and couldn't manage to do my bra up.
My husband was over in Africa and I struggled endlessly with the blooming thing.
The things I said to that bra would truly have shocked the Vicar.
But, as one of my friends pointed out,the time to worry would be when the bra answered back.


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Subject: RE: BS: Thoughts for Mrrzy
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 29 Jan 20 - 01:55 PM

I'm exactly the same. And you don't want to be in a car with me when I'm on my own...


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Subject: RE: BS: Thoughts for Mrrzy
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 29 Jan 20 - 01:12 PM

My mantra for getting through life is "bollocks to the lot of 'em"...!!!

.. and I spend a lot of time alone in the house
grumpily telling random inanimate objects / household appliances to "f@ck off"..

My wife really fails to understand how therapeutic that feels, but she humours me...


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Subject: RE: BS: Thoughts for Mrrzy
From: Mrrzy
Date: 29 Jan 20 - 07:23 AM

Sure, Steve Shaw! I get you, but don't feel you (which is probably a good thing!)!


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Subject: RE: BS: Thoughts for Mrrzy
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 28 Jan 20 - 09:06 PM

Well it's the way I see it!


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Subject: RE: BS: Thoughts for Mrrzy
From: Mrrzy
Date: 28 Jan 20 - 08:50 PM

Steve Shaw, that description of your trees is lovely, and I feel an urge to explain further what I mean. And pick nits! Feel free to pick back!

But only sunshine (or sometimes moonshine) can make earthly things beautiful.
Um, sorry, to me they are already beautiful. Light helps / enables you to see the beauty, sure, but a brook in total darkness is still beautiful.

When you see something beautiful on this earth, and recognise it for that, you're making the earth your very own.
Um, seems non sequitur to me. What does cherishing have to do with owning? If I love your dog it does not make it my dog.

A lot of physics and chemistry and one-day-explicable mysteries made that sunshine. No-one gave it to you, but it offers itself to you for your taking of the things it makes beautiful.
OK, this is what bugs me. It is not *offering* jack, it just is.

Which I cherish.

But am not grateful for. Gratitude is for intentional beings. To me. And being buried in the American version of gratitude which is ALWAYS about their god, seriously, I barf at them.

Helen, am gonna read thread II tomorrow. Lovely, and the limericks!


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Subject: RE: BS: Thoughts for Mrrzy
From: Donuel
Date: 28 Jan 20 - 07:51 PM

You are not just fluent in the English language you are erudite.
I'd settle for fluent.


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Subject: RE: BS: Thoughts for Mrrzy
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 28 Jan 20 - 02:27 PM

"I am not *grateful* for the sunshine, nobody gave it to me, it just is, because physics."

But only sunshine (or sometimes moonshine) can make earthly things beautiful. There's a line of small trees in a long hedge near my house. The low sun this morning cast stripes of pale shadows of them, a hundred times longer than the trees, across the green field beyond. When you see something beautiful on this earth, and recognise it for that, you're making the earth your very own. A lot of physics and chemistry and one-day-explicable mysteries made that sunshine. No-one gave it to you, but it offers itself to you for your taking of the things it makes beautiful.

Join the Cloud Appreciation Society and sign up for their Cloud A Day emails. Get rid of that blue-sky thinking!

Man said to his doctor, Doc, I'm having terrible trouble pronouncing my Fs and THs. The doc said, Well you can't say fairer than that, then...


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Subject: RE: BS: Thoughts for Mrrzy
From: Helen
Date: 28 Jan 20 - 01:51 PM

Yep, I've meditated on very similar themes about that boss.

I thought you might like that thread. I'll have to re-read the whole lot. I don't remember the one about the cherry.


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Subject: RE: BS: Thoughts for Mrrzy
From: Mrrzy
Date: 28 Jan 20 - 12:08 PM

Piers Anthony is a good thought


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Subject: RE: BS: Thoughts for Mrrzy
From: Black belt caterpillar wrestler
Date: 28 Jan 20 - 08:13 AM

Did Piers Anthony have something about the "Slough of despond" somewhere in his "Pale horse"(or whatever it was known as) series?
Just a thought as another place to come across it.

Best wishes,

Robin


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Subject: RE: BS: Thoughts for Mrrzy
From: Mrrzy
Date: 28 Jan 20 - 08:04 AM

Wow, *GREAT* thread, wyswyg (sp?) was a newbie and the Albert and the Lion reminded me tremendously of Pierre from Sendak's Nutshell Library (they drove the lion into town, the doctor shook him up and down, and when the lion gave a roar Pierre fell out upon the floor). Laughed out loud at the cherry joke!

I am also reminded of a boss-related meditation starting with the lovely woods... the gentle brook... feel the cool water... look into the stream... see the face of the boss whose head you are holding under the water...

And oh, can I sing limericks for hours too. Troll was probably familiar with Oscar Brand, at least that's where I learned the iambic pentameter one.

Gonna stop commenting on the thread itself, thank you SO MUCH Helen, y'all go read it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Thoughts for Mrrzy
From: Helen
Date: 27 Jan 20 - 09:29 PM

Hey Mrrzy, you just reminded me of a thread I started back in early 2000.

Help: Lost my sense of humour

Some people thought I was .... well, I don't know what they thought my intention was in starting the thread, but it was a serious cry for help. 1999 to 2000 was one of the darkest, scariest periods of my life in terms of being bullied by someone in a position of power, and the eureka moment occurred to me that I had lost my sense of humour and I asked the Mudcatters to help me to find it again.

Everyone kindly contributed their jokes to help me to find it again, and seriously, it didn't take very long at all for me to start feeling that sense of balance again in my life. It was a lot to do with the humour, but even more to do with the care and concern of Mudcatters for someone they had never even met. I'll cherish that forever.


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Subject: RE: BS: Thoughts for Mrrzy
From: Mrrzy
Date: 27 Jan 20 - 08:55 PM

I remember ghoti.

I tell jokes but have not heard any new ones.


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Subject: RE: BS: Thoughts for Mrrzy
From: keberoxu
Date: 27 Jan 20 - 07:13 PM

Cheering you on, and your beloved Tim.


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Subject: RE: BS: Thoughts for Mrrzy
From: Bill D
Date: 27 Jan 20 - 06:19 PM

"The wind was rough
And cold & blough
She kept her hands
Inside her mough."

Keep on keeping on Mrrzy.... and do think about the Getaway we talked about briefly.


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Subject: RE: BS: Thoughts for Mrrzy
From: Helen
Date: 27 Jan 20 - 04:03 PM

Hi Mrrzy, I'm very happy to hear that you are working your way through this.

Prosopagnosia - what a whacky coincidence! Last night I watched a re-run of a really good TV programme in Oz called Anh's Brush with Fame

Anh interviews a well known person and at the same time he paints the person's portrait. Brilliant! Amazing! Interesting, enlightening, special.

Last night's show featured a brilliant academic and media presenter called
Dr Karl Kruszelnicki who has more degrees than you can poke a stick at, including a medical degree and he worked for a time as a children's doctor.

He explained that he has prosopagnosia so he was also talking about whether he would recognise his own face in the finished portrait.

I probably wouldn't use the term "slough" because there are too many possible ways it could be pronounced.

"ough" - pronounced "oh" like in "although"
"ough" - pronounced "ow" like in "plough" or "plow"
"ough" - pronounced "off" like in "cough"

At least the "sl" is straightforward and unambiguous. LOL

It reminds me of the funny/joke spelling of "fish" i.e. ghoti.

"gh" pronounced "ff" as in "cough"
"o" pronounced "i" as in "women"
"ti" pronounced "sh" as in "nation

Sorry, just trying to make you laugh at the funny way my brain works.


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Subject: RE: BS: Thoughts for Mrrzy
From: Senoufou
Date: 27 Jan 20 - 03:38 PM

So pleased to hear this Mrrzy. Tim has done the right thing. You must be feeling very relieved!


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Subject: RE: BS: Thoughts for Mrrzy
From: Mrrzy
Date: 27 Jan 20 - 03:34 PM

Oh and some actually excellent news, Tim passed the 3-day hold audition BUT DECIDED TO STAY VOLUNTARILY for another 5 days! So impressed with him. So relieved for me.


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Subject: RE: BS: Thoughts for Mrrzy
From: Mrrzy
Date: 27 Jan 20 - 11:14 AM

Senoufou, je te comprends, toi.

While I have mental anguish, great word, anguish, I think of myself as having been a victim of / having survived what anguished/anguishes me, not of the anguish itself, if that makes sense. So, yeah, Donuel.


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Subject: RE: BS: Thoughts for Mrrzy
From: Donuel
Date: 27 Jan 20 - 09:00 AM

Its probably my unique POV but going a different direction may involve mental anguish but it doesn't make one a mental anguish victim.

We are all such creatures of habit that changing/transforming habits takes alot of energy. Even thoughts/memories can be habits.

On the other hand it is amazing how we can adapt to new conditions.


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Subject: RE: BS: Thoughts for Mrrzy
From: Senoufou
Date: 27 Jan 20 - 08:24 AM

Hope you can find 'The Wicket Gate' Mrrzy, and 'The House of the Interpreter', so you finally reach 'The Celestial Way' (all from 'The Pilgrim's Progress'!). Not trying to push religion on you, but instead wishing you relief from your mental anguish and hoping that you find the way forward in your recovery.


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Subject: RE: BS: Thoughts for Mrrzy
From: Mrrzy
Date: 27 Jan 20 - 07:17 AM

Just saw the Princess Bride again last night on BBC - pit of despair, so the slough of despond must have been somewhere else. What an excellent film. I would like to re-see Master and Commander, of pun and pickpocket fame, too.

Rounding the bend into week 2. Don't flink (feel/think, I just made that up) that I'll be safe in another week, but hey, they do do really good work here. It would be stellar if they could get their story straight - I *did* take my bedside lamp-y thing in yesterday morning to be recharged, but then when I wanted to go to bed, none of the night staff knew *where* it was being charged.

Looked it up - slough of despond was Pilgrim's Progress, which I have never read so I wonder where I read or heard of it. I would have guessed Phantom Tollbooth but that was the Doldrums now that I think about it.

You folks and folkies all do great work too, with me I mean, not that it's work, of course, I know you love me. Known that for years. That's why I'm here, in many senses (yeah, I know, mostly visual, but hey nonny nonny)...


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Subject: RE: BS: Thoughts for Mrrzy
From: Bonnie Shaljean
Date: 26 Jan 20 - 06:34 PM

Blimey, first dicto I looked in didn't even have it...


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Subject: RE: BS: Thoughts for Mrrzy
From: Donuel
Date: 26 Jan 20 - 06:23 PM

I'm going to the dictionary, thank Mrzzy.


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Subject: RE: BS: Thoughts for Mrrzy
From: Mrrzy
Date: 26 Jan 20 - 06:11 PM

I think there was a slough of something in The Princess Bride, too.

Happy and grateful are distinct to me but I am also embedded in a culture of assumed xtianity so they don't thank people who actually do things, as in, the surgeon saved my live, thank god, not thank the surgeon, or I just accomplished this thing, thank god, not I'm proud of myself. Dehumanizing all around.

Good meeting with the elder boy today. And yes it's spelled that way because of Wesley "shut up, Wesley!" Crusher. But I hadn't seen him in a while, he's changed his hair and beard, and I didn't recognize him. They said young man here to see you, I looked and said no idea who that is, got a really shocked look from the clinician, looked again... I want to write a ballad of prosopagnosia.


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Subject: RE: BS: Thoughts for Mrrzy
From: Senoufou
Date: 26 Jan 20 - 01:13 PM

Good for you Mrrzy, you've managed a week already!
I'm no psychologist, but I'd have thought just relaxing, finding small pleasures and not thinking too hard can be very healing, before you start to analyse and confront your great griefs.

You sound rather more 'upbeat' and I do hope this continues.
Everyone on here is thinking about you, and sending lots of good wishes.
Big hugs, and dew yew keep a-troshing!
Eliza x


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Subject: RE: BS: Thoughts for Mrrzy
From: keberoxu
Date: 26 Jan 20 - 12:04 PM

Wasn't it John Bunyan in Pilgrim's Progress who spoke of
The Slough of Despond?

The sooner one can slough off the despond, the better.
Hope the sun shines for you, regardless of gratitude.


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Subject: RE: BS: Thoughts for Mrrzy
From: Jeri
Date: 26 Jan 20 - 11:59 AM

I tend to think "grateful" is saying I'm glad for it. Nobody else involved. I'm happy you seem to be doing better. Grateful? Praise the continuity of life, and the fact we're predisposed to heal.


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Subject: RE: BS: Thoughts for Mrrzy
From: Mrrzy
Date: 26 Jan 20 - 11:19 AM

Getting better again from the slough of FeelNothing that Tim's crisis put me into. And I love the word slough.

Another beef though is that they really need a program for atheists. There is no religion/church/preaching but can't we stop talking about gratitude and start talking about hope and joy? I am not *grateful* for the sunshine, nobody gave it to me, it just is, because physics. I *do* cherish it. The sunshine, that is. And physics, for that matter.

Ha ha get it?


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