BS: UK politics

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 06 Feb 20 - 11:43 AM

Oops. It was still a political thread. Discuss it here, not in a new thread. That is the point.

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 06 Feb 20 - 11:48 AM

No problems, me and Bonz are so easy to get mixed up..
I wake up thinking I'm him more and more frequently
now I'm getting old...

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 06 Feb 20 - 12:55 PM

...maybe you could both meet up in the Isle of Mann sometime this year..?!

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 06 Feb 20 - 01:26 PM

WalkaboutsVerse blah blah Manx,

that's cockney rhyming slang..

hah hah.. thanks...

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 06 Feb 20 - 01:26 PM

What are you going on about...????????????

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 06 Feb 20 - 01:44 PM

...was just thinking you could shake a leg or 3 there - wiki.

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics
From: Senoufou
Date: 06 Feb 20 - 01:59 PM

Hahaha the triskelion flag of Man!

I didn't realise I was being a Very Naughty Girl by posting on Bonzo's thread. And I wouldn't have said that discussing prison sentences was particularly 'political', merely a 'what should be done about these people' type of a thread.

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 06 Feb 20 - 02:44 PM

Some time ago, I was taking part in a thread on an American guitar forum where ‘politics and religion’ are taboo topics for discussion. A guy was talking about using a certain type of used gun-cartridge to make a hole in a guitar strap to fit an end-pin jack-socket. I replied that, as civilians generally aren’t permitted to possess guns in the UK, what he’d described was meaningless to me. The Mods told me that I’d crossed the line into a political discussion, and that if I continued, I would be blocked from posting on that thread.

I think Americans’ understanding of ‘political’ is different to ours.

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 06 Feb 20 - 03:42 PM

Of course Backwoodsmen you mean "North Americans". I'm sure that South Americans would have more sense, and almost certainly Central Americans!!!

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 06 Feb 20 - 03:59 PM

I’m pretty sure that, when the term 'American' is used, it’s generally understood to mean ‘of, or belonging to, the United States of America'. When referring to South America, it’s standard practice to refer to it as ‘South America’

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics
From: Iains
Date: 08 Feb 20 - 03:57 AM

"Brexit Day +7
There's grounded planes, chaos in the streets, unpaid workers, crippling strikes, a faltering economy, a buffoon in charge, petrol bombs, riot police, snipers on rooftops.
But enough about France... ??"

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics
From: peteglasgow
Date: 08 Feb 20 - 04:02 AM

a friend visited korea recently - apparently the country beyond the southern border is commonly referred to as america. there's only one korea- not saying it's any good, mind you

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 08 Feb 20 - 06:07 AM

Folks in Buenos Aires DO NOT consider USIans to be "americans" but "North Americans" which is geographically correct.

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 08 Feb 20 - 07:20 AM

I was talking about the rest of the world, Bonzo, not just BA. Now be a good boy, and stop trolling.

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics
From: peteglasgow
Date: 08 Feb 20 - 07:43 AM

and of course people - here and abroad- commonly refer to england when they mean britain. or the south east when they mean england. and of course brexit britain only refers to about a third of the population who actively voted for it.

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 09 Feb 20 - 07:57 AM

Lovely people, those Tories, aren’t they?

Strangely, the media in general don’t seem very interested, barely a mention anywhere. There was a bigger outcry from the press about Tracy Brabin’s dress! Wonder why that could be....??

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 09 Feb 20 - 08:38 AM

"I was talking about the rest of the world, Bonzo, not just BA. Now be a good boy, and stop trolling"

People in other South American countries I have visited hold the same view about USAian arrogance.

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 09 Feb 20 - 10:41 AM

A significant bunch of Patagonians consider themselves the furthest South Welsh...

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 09 Feb 20 - 02:07 PM

As suggested earlier, hopefully there will soon be a drop in Brits, if not Germans and other northern European members of the EU, pricing young Spanish couples out of the property market.

What Spain really needs is another El Cid (if not El Cid?!) to drive suchlike out in the name of Land Rights
.

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics
From: Raggytash
Date: 10 Feb 20 - 02:32 PM

The first hurdles to free trade are being erected. Michael Gove has stated today that trade barriers will be put in place. This of course will add to the costs of those buying those goods, that is you and me.

This will be in addition to the increased costs we are already "enjoying" because of the fall in the value of the pound (approx 10%) since the referendum.

But no matter "we're all in it together" …...…..aren't we?

Link

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 10 Feb 20 - 03:34 PM

...what we humans all should be into together, Raggytash, is, from WalkaboutsVerse, "Global Regulationism"

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics
From: DMcG
Date: 11 Feb 20 - 03:28 AM

I see the Prime Minister is announcing a £5bn bus fund (over 5 years.)

Whether is will happen at all, is pure spin, or have any real effect are significant points, but as I have said before he seems to have a good understanding of how influential a bus service can be. Whether you live in a town with buses every 20 minutes, or a chocolate box village with one a day or a new estate with no bus service within a mile, adding a bus can really make a difference to people's lives. It can enable them to cut the number of cars people need, which affects their wallets.

I don't know whether he understands this, or it instinctive or he just likes buses, but it is totally different to Maggie's claim.that if you were still using a bus when you were 30 - or whatever age she said - you were a failure.

And it must be said that this has a more direct and immediate effect on people's lives than nationalisation, which is a far more abstract proposition.

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 11 Feb 20 - 07:39 AM

I note that the economy is stagnating. Just the start, eh?

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics
From: peteglasgow
Date: 11 Feb 20 - 09:38 AM

the uncertainty for individuals and families working away from their country of origin - and for ordinary citizens worried about the increase in dispute and rancour in our country - caught up in all this nonsense started a long time back.

(yes, i know - and worried about the decline of grammatical standards)

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 11 Feb 20 - 09:44 AM

Worky - If I had the money I'd eff off from this, my miserable country of origin,
without a glance back over my shoulder..

I certainly would not be happy with any xenophobic nationalist crackpots trying to stop me...

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 11 Feb 20 - 09:48 AM

oops.. sorry.. I'm not fully awake yet and blearily confused worky with walky..

.. and my reflexes kicked in...

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics
From: peteglasgow
Date: 11 Feb 20 - 11:20 AM

if we must have this ridiculous hs2 project then it should begin in various northern destinations and the construction should head south ....

however, if - as usual - the south gets all the initial funding/jobs etc first there is less chance of it ever getting far enough to waste the northern environment and woodlands.

i sort of feel the thing won't happen anyway - everything in politics is changing so fast that planning beyond 6 months ahead seems to be wild and unlikely speculation. hwever, we could start by sorting out links between northern cities and east to west communications and get all the new buses, bringing a bit of life to smaller towns and villages. after that is all in place - then think about whether can afford to build a massive and massively expensive project.

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 11 Feb 20 - 12:31 PM

Basically, which individuals are going to profit most from today's decision..

..and, how many are British...???

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 11 Feb 20 - 01:26 PM

"If I had the money I'd eff off from this, my miserable country of origin, without a glance back over my shoulder" (PFR).

Surprise, surprise, I wrote a poem about this subject - and surely you, too, PFR, would miss "snow on swans" and "willows by a stream".

With upper lip newly stiffened, I do hope you stay in the Old Dart...

"Millennium Dreams"

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 11 Feb 20 - 01:39 PM

Walky - there's nothing I'd miss about England that I couldn't find better somewhere else,
if I had the money...

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics
From: peteglasgow
Date: 11 Feb 20 - 01:49 PM

i'm hoping we could afford glasgow but i hae ma doots

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 11 Feb 20 - 02:11 PM

...so save your boots!

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 11 Feb 20 - 02:25 PM

Walky - all my boots have steel toe caps..

Even my sandals have steel toe caps [European Builders Sandals..]

You can't be unprepared in the poxy town where I live...

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 11 Feb 20 - 03:16 PM

"Walky" began life sleeping in braced boots designed to stop his left clubfoot re-clubbing and, at 53, is now leaning more toward scenic swims than walkabouts for enjoyable exercise...Deepwater Bay, on my Hong Kong VISIT last year, was a beautiful swim.

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 11 Feb 20 - 03:44 PM

But why not enjoy a swim off the beaches of our delightful Bristol Channel resorts...
Swimming with dolphins is nothing compared to swimming with condoms, tampons, and turds...

England, the land of History and mythology,
of idealised rural splendour,
of morris dance and maypoles,
loved by real patriots...
But a bit of a shitehole for everyone else awake to 21st Century reality...

Mind though.. morris and Boris does rhyme for any poetic minded deluded escapees of the here and now..

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 11 Feb 20 - 04:11 PM

Good point. I think Boris dancing should involve sticks rather than hankies though...

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 11 Feb 20 - 04:49 PM

...or tuneful tangling in flags..?

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 11 Feb 20 - 05:36 PM

Flags are already far too weaponised...

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 11 Feb 20 - 05:41 PM

I was remembering that Olympics hand-over ceremony.

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 11 Feb 20 - 05:44 PM

...when Boris appeared about as statesman like as Ronald McDonald.

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 12 Feb 20 - 01:48 AM

”when Boris appeared about as statesman like as Ronald McDonald”

SNAFU.

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics
From: Iains
Date: 12 Feb 20 - 05:16 AM

.With the High speed rail link obtaining the go ahead, a little background info to think about.
The BBC 2011
https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-13924687
and another oldish link
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/69741/hs2-cost-and-risk-model-re

I suspect the costs of purchasing the right of way and adjacent compensation claims are far higher than the figures quoted above.
Personally I would prefer to see the EW links develped up north. The last section of the A180 to the UK's largest port at Immingham is still only dual carrigeway until it crosses the Humber Bridge access road and the equivalent north of the Humber into Hull is about the same with the M632 morphing back to an A road in the middle of nowhere.
It will be interesting to see future major transport infrastructure projects around the proposed free ports.
None of it will be cheap. Elevated motorway comes in at approx a tenfold increase in price, a tunnel perhaps 20fold maybe much more if uforeseen ground conditions occur.

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 12 Feb 20 - 06:40 PM

If I might be afforded a moment of levity, in 1974 at Broadford on the Isle of Skye my dad and I visited the local pub for a spot of lunch. There were two signs on the wall behind the bar that I noticed. One was in the shape of a US coin, and round the edge it said IN GOD WE TRUST. THE REST PAY CASH. The other said CREDIT IS AVAILABLE TO CUSTOMERS OVER THE AGE OF 90 PROVIDED THEY ARE ACCOMPANIED BY BOTH PARENTS.

Well the latter was outdone today by a report in the Guardian, which stated that an Italian man aged 101, resident in the UK since 1966 and who has had to apply to stay in the UK post-brexit, has been told by the Home Office that his parents must confirm his ID...

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics
From: Donuel
Date: 13 Feb 20 - 12:29 PM

Steve didn't you warn in the past thats its all in the details.

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 13 Feb 20 - 01:19 PM

I see Cummings has sacked Javid.

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 13 Feb 20 - 01:32 PM

Even more interesting news, Dave - it’s all here!

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 13 Feb 20 - 01:38 PM

From: Backwoodsman
Date: 13 Feb 20 - 01:32 PM
Even more interesting news, Dave - it’s all here!

If you want to be taken seriously:
a, moderate your language
b, don't link to 'spoof' websites.

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 13 Feb 20 - 01:42 PM

From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 13 Feb 20 - 01:19 PM
I see Cummings has sacked Javid.

Cummings cannot 'sack' anyone.
Even according to that mighty left wing journal The Guardian Javid has not been 'sacked'.

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 13 Feb 20 - 01:44 PM

From: Steve Shaw
Date: 12 Feb 20 - 06:40 PM

If I might be afforded a moment of levity, in 1974 at Broadford on the Isle of Skye my dad and I visited the local pub for a spot of lunch. There were two signs on the wall behind the bar that I noticed. One was in the shape of a US coin, and round the edge it said IN GOD WE TRUST. THE REST PAY CASH. The other said CREDIT IS AVAILABLE TO CUSTOMERS OVER THE AGE OF 90 PROVIDED THEY ARE ACCOMPANIED BY BOTH PARENTS.

Well the latter was outdone today by a report in the Guardian, which stated that an Italian man aged 101, resident in the UK since 1966 and who has had to apply to stay in the UK post-brexit, has been told by the Home Office that his parents must confirm his ID...

Read the article a little more closely. When filling in the forms (with help) it became clear that there was a problem with the dates being input. This has ALL BEEN SORTED OUT.

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 13 Feb 20 - 02:01 PM

So which country and/or international Billionaires is Cummings really working for...???

Does Boris even know...?????