BS: UK politics

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 28 Jan 20 - 02:13 AM

Well, Friday will soon be here and Brexit will be done and dusted. Hooraaaaaaahhh, we’ve ‘Taken Back Control’ at last! Haven’t we? Haven’t we?

Well actually...NO, The fun’s just about to start!

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 27 Jan 20 - 07:01 PM

We're now being threatened by the US that they won't give us a trade deal if we sign up with Huawei for 5G. Good that we've taken back control, eh?

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 26 Jan 20 - 03:15 PM

LOL!

Mrs. Backwoodsperson and I went to Seaton Carew and Hartlepool a few years ago, a walk down Memory Lane for me, the last time I’d been there on holiday was when I was ten years old - we’d had a very serious house-fire and I think I was sent away to stay with my aunt and uncle to ‘get away from everything’ while the adults dealt with the dreadful aftermath. How it had all changed, the steelworks close to where my relatives lived had all gone, along with their street and all the other streets around their neighbourhood. Barely recognised the place!

Anyway, I digress - when we got to Seaton Carew, Mrs. Backwoodsperson decided it sounded like an out-of-work Shakespearean Actor-Manager. I couldn’t disagree with her!

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 26 Jan 20 - 01:30 PM

Seaton Carew? Wasn't he a 1930's film star? Along with Monton Green and Hazel Grove?

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 26 Jan 20 - 01:01 PM

What was it they were saying along the lines of “They will all be queuing up, falling over themselves to make great deals with us!”

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 26 Jan 20 - 12:03 PM

Nowt wrong wi’ Saltburn! Had some good times there. Redcar not so much. But I used to have fun on the beach at Seaton Carew when I used to be sent to stay with my Aunt and Uncle in Hartlepool for a couple of weeks during the summer holidays back in the ‘50s!

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics
From: DMcG
Date: 26 Jan 20 - 11:36 AM

I was born in Middlesbrough and as a child my family used to go to Redcar for day trips and to far flung Saltburn for a week (about 12 miles)

Tell the youth of today that, and they'd never believe you

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 26 Jan 20 - 09:54 AM

Well I didn't move away until I grew up (some claim I've never done that...)

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics
From: Doug Chadwick
Date: 26 Jan 20 - 09:39 AM

Other notable losers include Stoke-on-Trent, Redcar, West Bromwich, Bishop Auckland, Grimsby and Leigh.

You were born near Leigh but moved elsewhere, Steve. I was born elsewhere but moved to Grimsby.

DC

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 26 Jan 20 - 08:15 AM

Well, at least our Resident Brexiteers will be delighted...

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 25 Jan 20 - 06:24 PM

Dunno, SRS, but Leigh is about three miles from where I was born and bred. It's tough up there.

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 25 Jan 20 - 03:16 PM

He's probably not at the top of the priority list for fresh links
being issued by propaganda central control command..

Hence the few days delay lag...

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics
From: Raggytash
Date: 25 Jan 20 - 03:10 PM

A totally irrelevant post as Jess Philips stepped down from the leadership race some days ago.......... of her own volition.

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics
From: Iains
Date: 25 Jan 20 - 01:43 PM

Ode to the forsaken in the Labour leadership race:
Kendall in the wind

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 25 Jan 20 - 01:22 PM

A reallocation of council funding could redirect hundreds of millions of pounds from so-called left-behind communities in the north of England to the leafy southern shires, analysis has found, leaving many newly Conservative voting “red wall” areas facing fresh cuts to local services.

Under a review of the local authority funding formula, £320m a year could be shifted out of councils in England’s most deprived areas while Tory-controlled shire councils mainly in the south-east gain £300m.

High-profile losers include many constituencies that elected new Tory MPs in December, including Workington, which would suffer from Cumbria county council’s £5m loss, and Sedgefield, which would feel the impact of £10m being taken out of Durham county council.

An estimated 37 of the 50 new Tory MPs – amounting to 70% of the gains made by the Conservatives at the general election – represent areas that are set to lose millions a year. Other notable losers include Stoke-on-Trent, Redcar, West Bromwich, Bishop Auckland, Grimsby and Leigh.

Isn't Stoke-on-Trent the home of or nearby several Mudcatters?

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 25 Jan 20 - 01:18 PM

I hope you are still laughing when the NHS is sold off and you have to pay for your wife's treatment, Bonzo.

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 25 Jan 20 - 01:08 PM

It makes me laugh!!!

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics
From: Iains
Date: 25 Jan 20 - 10:45 AM

It was a combination of reading the Guardian and refusal to react to the poll data that lost Labour the election. The worst result since 1935.
That makes you lefties absolutely incapable of changing any proposed legislation. After three years of having it your own way frustrating brexit the law iof unintended consequences has kicked in, and you are F****d. Why does that give me such a warm glow inside?

Whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.

How are your brambles and nettles doing?

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 25 Jan 20 - 09:38 AM

From the Guardian today.

Note that it only says ‘could lose’ but, if it happens, it’s a typical Tory slap in the face for those foolish enough to fall for the Dom & Dumber Horse-shit and vote for them in the GE.

Anyone taking bets on the outcome?

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 25 Jan 20 - 07:58 AM

silence breeds suspicion...

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 25 Jan 20 - 07:57 AM

DtG - thanks for explaining - that's more or less what I was working it out as..

Though it's still not an entirely satisfactory justification
for most excessive interventions here...???

But it would be nice if folks in authority talked to us more openly
about why they are doing things which frequently bemuse and antagonise us..
Rather than silently acting in such mystifying ways...

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 25 Jan 20 - 07:40 AM

Call us cynical, but leading brexiteers must be speculating on making huge riches
by profiteering from brexit's adverse problems for the majority of UK citizens..

No wonder the loudest gloaters are such gleeful and obnoxious show offs...

1980s spiv get rich quick yuppies, now in their 60s and 70s...

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics
From: Mr Red
Date: 25 Jan 20 - 04:42 AM

Well my prediction of Brexshit price rises are beginning to show. My webspace have upped their stipend from Feb 26. Is it connected? Well it is basically a German outfit. There is uncertainty, and it is all about money, so a hedge at least, if only for the timing.

Food prices could be affected because UK is a net importer (40% at the last count) but that depends on this mythical deal. Any change costs money and we are due for pretty big changes for commerce. Pay-back is rather nebulous, under (sic) written by that old belief system (aka religion) - politics.

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics
From: Iains
Date: 25 Jan 20 - 04:33 AM

Sanity from Boris the blade!
EU copyright law to be ignored


https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-51240785
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/03/28/article-13-what-eu-copyright-directive-means-for-the-internet.html

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 25 Jan 20 - 04:24 AM

From the forum FAQ, ‘Dealing with Flamers and Trolls’ section...

”I've said it before, and I'm sure I'll say it many times more: the best way to deal with both flamers and trolls is to ignore them. Give them silence, and they'll go away. They feed on attention - don't give it to them.”

Unless and until everyone gets that into their fact-resistant heads, threads like this will continue to be heavily-, sometimes clumsily, -moderated by volunteer Mods who already have a heavy workload.

It’s not compulsory to respond to any post.

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 25 Jan 20 - 02:38 AM

btw.. how does a member's only thread become a magnet for outside spam posters...???

Your posts attract spammers. They don't need to be members to have their bots read posts. Once they spot something of interest they post their spam above the line. Seemples.

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 24 Jan 20 - 11:09 PM

My style is sardonic 'tongue in cheek',
as opposed to the belligerent 'fist in face' shouting favoured by the right..

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 24 Jan 20 - 10:38 PM

btw.. how does a member's only thread become a magnet for outside spam posters...???

My 'nonsense' is more often than not
very serious political content expressed in a frivolous / robust 'comedic' manner...

Because boring boring obsessive political bores, bore us to death...

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 24 Jan 20 - 10:32 PM

It's not just the 'folk police' mudcat needs to be wary of..

but also the 'sense of humour' police...!!!!!

I reiterate, puritanical censorship is an important and divisive issue of this era...

Fully appropriate to be discussed in a political thread,
by both left and right, either side of the Atlantic...

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 24 Jan 20 - 09:36 PM

Oi, Maggie, you got that wrong. Because you guys leave the troll in place we try occasionally to use diverting tactics. We try to keep it all light and airy. But then you shut us off, leaving the troll posts in place,.,

I mean, what do you guys REALLY want!

We do suspect...

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 24 Jan 20 - 09:16 PM

[sigh] Though you may not be aware, one of the main jobs of moderators is to delete spam. This thread will become a spam magnet with PFR's nonsense installed. That's why it was removed. It really is ironic that the rest of you lot were deleted and Iains left in place.

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 24 Jan 20 - 03:14 PM

Flanders and Swann best you all to it I'm afraid

Pee, po, belly, bum, drawers

Proper music too. But is it folk?

A bit of light relief never hurt anyone but sadly some will never see it that way :-(

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics
From: Iains
Date: 24 Jan 20 - 10:36 AM

This morning, Ursula von der Leyen and Charles Michael formally signed the Brexit Withdrawal Agreement; now only the confirmatory ratification by the European Parliament is needed to secure Britain’s orderly withdrawal in one week’s time.

London Labour MEP Seb Dance reacted by calling it “the saddest moment in my political career”, vowing to ensure his “very last vote shall be against Brexit.”

TO vote against the deal is of course a vote for no deal!

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics
From: Iains
Date: 24 Jan 20 - 09:41 AM

Labour accepted Bercow's bullying in order to keep him in place as speaker in order to frustrate brexit. Then proposes him for a peerage as a thankyou.
Is this the sort of behaviour of their party the rank and file membership should tolerate.
SHAMEFUL
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/john-bercow-bullying-harrassment-commons-speaker-resign-margaret-beckett-labour-a

https://order-order.com/2020/01/24/bercows-bullying-chief-clerk-well-known/#disqus_thread

For Bercow to be offered a peerage by the Leader of the opposition as a thankyou for denying the will of the majority plumbs new depths, even for labour.

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics
From: Donuel
Date: 24 Jan 20 - 06:38 AM

The banking crime is only recent news to me so it is I who is ill informed.
The scope is similar to Fannie Mae but the means is quite different.
Professor Obvious sez:
Banking crimes occur because that is where the money is.

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 24 Jan 20 - 06:27 AM

Meanhile you guys were so distracted by Brexit 60 billion was stolen from UK and europe in a double tax refund scheme that is the biggest heist in history.
Would you care to clarify that comment (either with or without a link). The only links I can find for that figure e.g. this one relate to carousel fraud, and is an estimated figure which is the same as the estimate given in 2014, so nothing to do with Brexit.

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics
From: DMcG
Date: 24 Jan 20 - 06:26 AM

I don't know who else has and hasn't noticed it Donuel, but that is a different matter to the UK politics thread. Yes, it is relevant here to the extent that Brexit has taken our eye of the ball on this and other matters, but it goes back before the 2016 vote. If anything it is closer to the FannyMae financial issues, because it essentially about the fact that the financial dealings are now so complex than no-one at all really understands what is happening, and that complexity allows all sorts of deals to take place to exploit loopholes and risks.

It is a worldwide problem that is worth knowing about, but because it is worldwide the UK politics thread might not be the best place to discuss it.

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics
From: Donuel
Date: 24 Jan 20 - 05:59 AM

Meanhile you guys were so distracted by Brexit 60 billion was stolen from UK and europe in a double tax refund scheme that is the biggest heist in history.

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics
From: DMcG
Date: 24 Jan 20 - 05:21 AM

I think just about every remain voter understood and accepted after the December election that we would be leaving on Jan 31 2020. I certainly did and I thought there was a comment to that effect already on this or an earlier thread. All of the rest, including the sign off by the EU are just the mechanics of that happening.

But equally, we are all aware that this is just the first step. The real meat of 'Brexit', whatever that may mean, comes after that date, and in fact only really comes into play in 2021, if then.

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 24 Jan 20 - 05:16 AM

"We have been given the thumbs up for a new politics thread. The rules are no personal abuse and no trolling."

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics
From: Iains
Date: 24 Jan 20 - 03:02 AM

It's all over now for remainiacs!

The EU commission's Ursula von der Leyen and Council's Charles Michel put their signature to Boris Johnson's Brexit deal at a sombre ceremony today in Brussels. A copy will now be sent to Downing Street to allow the Prime Minister to complete the process ahead of its ratification in the EU Parliament next week. Writing on Twitter, EU Commission President Mrs von der Leyen said: "Charles Michel and I have just signed the Agreement on the Withdrawal of the UK from the EU, opening the way for its ratification by the European Parliament."

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics
From: Raggytash
Date: 23 Jan 20 - 03:05 PM

Backwoodsman I was referring to a post of early December when I quoted a figure of 1,218000.

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics
From: Iains
Date: 23 Jan 20 - 12:18 PM

If no agreement hard brexit occurs 1st Feb 2020

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics
From: Iains
Date: 23 Jan 20 - 12:12 PM

The EU Parliament’s outgoing Brexit co-ordinator said voting to support the divorce deal was not a show of support for the UK’s departure from the bloc. He declared it a “very sad moment” but admitted MEPs must ensure the UK leaves with a deal on January 31. Addressing the EU Parliament’s constitutional affairs committee, he added: “I have to be very open to the colleagues here it’s not a question of voting yes to Brexit and voting no to no Brexit, that’s not the choice we have.   

“It’s the choice between a Brexit in an orderly way or avoiding a no deal or a hard Brexit most probably happening on February 1, that’s the choice we have.

Facts according to verhoftwat

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 23 Jan 20 - 11:56 AM

The UK is EXPECTED to leave the trade bloc on December 31.

Comment is free but facts are sacred.

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics
From: Iains
Date: 23 Jan 20 - 11:47 AM

2.42pm update: Brexit bill gets Royal Assent

Boris Johnson's Brexit bill was given Royal Assent today, thus enshrining the UK's exit into law.

The UK will now proceed to leave the trade bloc on January 31.

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics
From: Donuel
Date: 23 Jan 20 - 11:15 AM

When ya can't make sense if it have fun.

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 23 Jan 20 - 10:59 AM

The view from the Antipodes.

I have to say that I find it rather amusing that those who claimed their ‘Leave’ vote (including several on this forum, one of whom is no longer with us) was a vote against the elite establishment were, in fact, voting to give the elite establishment precisely what it wanted.

Never were so many misled and confused by so few.

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 23 Jan 20 - 10:20 AM

.. but who does he actually work for...???

What are the top 5 conspiracy theories...??????

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics
From: Iains
Date: 23 Jan 20 - 09:59 AM

DC the nemesis of corbyn clowns.
We’re all living in Dominic Cummings’ world now


https://www.politico.eu/article/dominic-cummings-uk-electio-2019-strategy-conservative-victory/