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BS: New rules for the coming pandemic

Donuel 28 Feb 20 - 12:14 PM
Jack Campin 28 Feb 20 - 12:08 PM
Donuel 28 Feb 20 - 12:06 PM
punkfolkrocker 28 Feb 20 - 12:02 PM
Donuel 28 Feb 20 - 11:48 AM
punkfolkrocker 28 Feb 20 - 11:46 AM
Doug Chadwick 28 Feb 20 - 11:15 AM
Mrrzy 28 Feb 20 - 10:01 AM
Jack Campin 28 Feb 20 - 09:35 AM
punkfolkrocker 28 Feb 20 - 09:32 AM
Steve Shaw 28 Feb 20 - 04:51 AM
Iains 28 Feb 20 - 03:41 AM
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mg 28 Feb 20 - 01:40 AM
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Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 28 Feb 20 - 12:14 PM

I was in Finance in my twenties (I left for ethical reasons and the firm went bust later) and my wife is a Phd senior health economist for the Federal Government.

America will not shut down like China and Japan. Only China can. Schools will not close before Summer. When more people are outside and not in rooms, the contagion will SLOW>
Cooler heads will prevail. The confusion and uncertainty here is due to leadership. As new rules become apparent the economy will settle. Much of yeterday's reaction was from 'automated' sell off triggers. When humans are back in charge things will improve. Lots of refinancing will happen for large corporations with debt.



Long term this will last over a year but corporations are in good shape. Money has no where else to go but here. The short term will be a challenge
but if you are moderately prepared you should only be inconvienenced. Shortages will only increase demands. If you are wealthy do not not buy the dips. Wait a month.
Travel and leisure will suffer more than food. Take a 20 year postion that seems good to you for your kids but don't risk it all.
   

Now the human toll: It will be spread out as to seem less severe than it may be in reality. Even 1919 fatality rates are doubled in estimations.
Mass hysteria seems like somthing out of your hands but your own confidence makes a differnce. We all know for whom the bell tolls and the sadness of grim times.
In short this is not Armeggedon unless an irrational leader sabotages our recovery - which is not impossible but unlikely.

If anyone Says they know the bottom or that this will disappear, they are liars.


btw the firm that went bust was Bear Stearns (BS) which is funny to me.


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Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Jack Campin
Date: 28 Feb 20 - 12:08 PM

Nobody this patriotic could ever be a terrorist, surely?...

the Geri Halliwell approach


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Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 28 Feb 20 - 12:06 PM

Lol


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Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 28 Feb 20 - 12:02 PM

Tee shirt slogan - "I must rush to the shops and buy up everything now, before all the stupid panic buyers beat me to it...!!!."


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Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 28 Feb 20 - 11:48 AM

Jack is right up to a point where bacterial pnumonia sets in after viral infection and is the actual cause of death. At best it helps heal, at worst Amoxicilin buys time. Any wide spectrum AB is worth a shot when indicated.

Actual preppers must feel a sense of great accomplishment, vindication and I told you so's. I have seen many of them over do it. I think sme if them suffer from obcessive compulsive disorder.

FOX is still blaming Dems and vice versa.


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Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 28 Feb 20 - 11:46 AM

This going to bugger new anti terror rules banning face covering masks in public...???


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Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Doug Chadwick
Date: 28 Feb 20 - 11:15 AM

It's that the masks don't work if there is facial hair, ...

No argument there, then - it's pointless in me spending my money on masks. I'm not going to lose the beard.

DC


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Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Mrrzy
Date: 28 Feb 20 - 10:01 AM

It's that the masks don't work if there is facial hair, not that they work without it necessarily...


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Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Jack Campin
Date: 28 Feb 20 - 09:35 AM

Augmentin is utterly useless against viruses.

Home delivery is likely to spread the disease even faster than shopping. Firms like Amazon will not pay their workers to stay at home if they get worrying symptoms. They'll have to come in to work no matter what. Coughing all over your parcels before they ship them out. A conscientious driver (with targets to meet) will then easily manage to get them to you while the virus is still viable.


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Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 28 Feb 20 - 09:32 AM

I'm a smart prepper..
I must stockpile strategic emergency essentials now before the massed idiots start panic buying
and there's nothing left on the shop shelves for me...

Cartoon sound FX of scampering out of front door and then car screeching out off into the distance...


hmmmm....


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Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 28 Feb 20 - 04:51 AM

All I ask for is football and Prosecco. Naturally, Liverpool are fulfilling my dreams and footie must continue until the few more points they need to win the league are in the bag. Prosecco is a worry as it comes from the Veneto. But, thanks to Lidl's special offer last week, I now have a bottle for every barbecue I'm likely to have this summer...

I have more cheapo baked beans stockpiled than you could shake a stick at. Bring it on, you bloody virus...


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Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Iains
Date: 28 Feb 20 - 03:41 AM

An interesting read on how the UK government will likely respond, should escalation occur and a pandemic be declared.
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/213717/dh_131040.pdf

The sections below in particular spell it out very clearly.
(probably not a good time to be a pensioner or have existing medical conditions - Rationing is brutal!)
6.32 - 6.34
7.26


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Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Mr Red
Date: 28 Feb 20 - 03:07 AM

.. though of course, personally, I wouldn't care if football closed down forever...

I may be with you on that page, but it is a drug for the UK masses. And what would politicians have to get behind? Pop musicians? Sound familiar?

But I ask, how ya gonna buy food without traveling to crowded shops?
Home delivery? "Just leave it on the doorstep, in the rain. Ta" In the UK invest in Ocado - it didn't take long jump on that bandwagon

And without buying 60 GBP's worth it all puts up the price. Which I predicted, but not via that particular vector. Life is complex, let's face it.


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Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: mg
Date: 28 Feb 20 - 01:40 AM

I think of the video of the children in Iran struggling to breathe with no oxygen equipment and I think of the snearing comments here some have made. I am not referring to silly jokes..that is OK I guess. I mean trying to ridicule and shame people for wanting to be proactive even if it all blows away and we look foolish. I am fine with looking foolish. I am not fine with abuse, especially on such a serious matter..well all abuse is serious.


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Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Helen
Date: 28 Feb 20 - 01:24 AM

It says a lot more about the intellectual and psychological capabilities of a person if he can only respond with abusive comments aimed at another person rather than stating reasoned and fact based responses on the subject being discussed.

Incapable, inadequate, and unable to hold his own in a reasonable, evidential discussion.

Is trollery becoming the new pandemic?

Or is it possible to just discuss the topic of the thread?


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Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 27 Feb 20 - 11:14 PM

*The supply chain is being measured by the number of import shipping containers excluding cargo planes.


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Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 27 Feb 20 - 10:45 PM

additional facts/advice
Dr. Fauci has been silenced by Trump.
N-95 masks do work
HSS whistle blower has been reassigned/punished.
Nothern CA is in fact a hot spot.
I do not know about Seattle infections.
Replacing enough Covid 19 test kits that work is an existential threat
I am still assembling extra Augmentin, so should you to share.
Dispose of one use gloves outside with care.
Complicating matters is the rapidly shrinking supply chain which is already down 33%.
The veneer of civilization will wear thin, act sooner than later.


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Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 27 Feb 20 - 09:56 PM

My 30 day warning and the unvarnished truth is all the help I can provide in this format. Read carefully and selectively and there really is some limited help here. I really am at the close nexus of discussions at the NAID NIH and HSS but distant from the CDC.
Knowledge is power, use it and prepare. My apologies to StillySage for not believing the cavalier unprotected nature of infected citizens brought to TX and CA.


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Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: mg
Date: 27 Feb 20 - 09:21 PM

I would love to get help. Thank you rude one. I would divert it to my handicapped brother who works in a homeless shelter. Or my pregnant niece who works in the most likely hospital in seattle to get it. or my brother who is in charge of maintenance at a county jail.

Do you have anything further rude to say or are you going to escalate to abuse?


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Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 27 Feb 20 - 07:58 PM

Thats his version of sarcasm Mossback.
At least he gets it a little bit. He will understand alot more when his grocery store goes empty.


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Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Mossback
Date: 27 Feb 20 - 06:44 PM

Anyway, yanks. Sod human lives.

When have Trumpshit and the Trumpshitistas ever shown any con concern for human life?? This is a surprise??

Mary, please get help.


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Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: mg
Date: 27 Feb 20 - 06:08 PM

I suggest following ret general Russel l honore' on Twitter. Smartest guy around.wish he would accept presidency. None of candidates inspire any confidence in me.


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Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 27 Feb 20 - 05:07 PM

Anyway, yanks. Sod human lives. The Dow has tanked. Be very afraid.


What a bloody stink.


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Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 27 Feb 20 - 04:57 PM

The one about the feared beard and moustache backlash?


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Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Mrrzy
Date: 27 Feb 20 - 04:38 PM

Where is my post about the CDC and beards?


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Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 27 Feb 20 - 04:15 PM

But you are going to get it and you won't like it.
Disruption will go to disaster.
You may not change but your world has.
Adapt or die.


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Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 27 Feb 20 - 04:07 PM

As usual you just don't get it.


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Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Iains
Date: 27 Feb 20 - 04:07 PM

But he has you licked on metaphysics.


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Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 27 Feb 20 - 03:59 PM

Stick to cod astrophysics.


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Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 27 Feb 20 - 03:35 PM

Oil down 12%, Microsoft down 14%, 10 year bonds all time low.
Equities up 127 % (scavenges defunct business')
Hedge Funds claim tommorrow Fri will be the ultimate market reaction.
Goldman says there will be no earnings this year.

14% of recovered Covid 19 victims test postive again. (ah oh)
rna virus are notorius for mutation but this may mean something else.


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Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 27 Feb 20 - 03:02 PM

At the outset it was said "its not just the virus, its the reaction to it".

Nothing is more spooky than the pense power of prayer on the markets.


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Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Mossback
Date: 27 Feb 20 - 02:57 PM

Chill, USAsians! Trumpshit sez its all under control! And science-denier Pence will PRAY the bugs away.

Problem solved.


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Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 27 Feb 20 - 02:04 PM

Got to see the funny side, aint’cha?

Yes, Nigel, I realise it’s a spoof website. It’s called ‘humour’.


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Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 27 Feb 20 - 01:41 PM

CHINESE restaurants are empty, Casinos and Theme parks have plunged and container imports are down 30%.
The DOW is on the longest downturn since 2018.

On the bright side buying TESLA at a 30% discount looks good. :^/


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Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 27 Feb 20 - 01:20 PM

Steve - no problems..

on the subject of "screwed eyes"..

Today walked past Boots Opticians, and noticed a big printed sign on the door.
The gist of it was..
if you've just got back from China, or a list of other regions
I couldn't be arsed reading,

"DON'T BOOK AN APPOINTMENT WITH US"...


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Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 27 Feb 20 - 01:20 PM

Talking about your own ass crack, at your weight, it is more of an ass canyon chasm.


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Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 27 Feb 20 - 01:16 PM

If I want to change the subject I'll change the subject. Beats talking obscurantist shite in five posts in a row any day.


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Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 27 Feb 20 - 01:11 PM

No matter how much Steve likes to change the subject...

Thank Goodness Prisons will not become breeding grounds.


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Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 27 Feb 20 - 01:04 PM

Sorry, I was screwing my eyes up trying to read the tiny print on my phone in Tesco car park in Truro when I typed that (and misinterpreted your post...) Mrs Steve arrived back at the car, stinking of some perfume she'd just tried on but not bought, so I had to post without a proper review... I spent the next hour and a quarter driving back to Bude swooning as a result of the overpowering whiff...nothing with any kind of scent ever touches my body...

No piercings either, and no tattoos, though I'm thinking of getting an asp tattooed on my back with its forked tongue just lapping the top of my bum crack...Opinions?


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Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Iains
Date: 27 Feb 20 - 12:58 PM

Coronavirus is a mild illness in four people out of five. It kills about one victim in a hundred (far fewer, I suspect, because it's not unlikely that tens of thousands of people have got it/had it without knowing it).

The World Health Organization (WHO) had mentioned 2% as a mortality rate estimate in a press conference on Wednesday, January29 and again on February 10. However, on January 29 WHO specified that this is a very early and provisional estimate that may change.

and here is some more
cod science

If you want to make sweeping statements try learning how to link. Like below
https://smw.ch/article/doi/smw.2020.20203


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Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 27 Feb 20 - 12:46 PM

Japan’s government closed all schools through March in an effort to combat the outbreak. Iran canceled Friday Prayers in major cities, a cornerstone ritual of the Islamic Republic. Saudi Arabia barred pilgrims from visiting Mecca and Medina. 50 countries have infections.

ONLY RUSSIA CLAIMS NO INFECTIONS!


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Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 27 Feb 20 - 11:17 AM

"Nice opportunistic swipe at money-spinnng events"

Steve - eh...???

I was having a sarcastic swipe at Mail writers/readers,
who are taking an opportunistic ideological swipe at Greta
and the positive progressive movement she represents...

It's obvious I was pointing at their hypocrisy about mass public events..



.. though of course, personally, I wouldn't care if football closed down forever...


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Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 27 Feb 20 - 11:14 AM

Flu 0.1 % fatal - not 2 not 5.1

The Iran official who was sick AS he tried to minimize the virus on TV is at home and does not have serious symptoms.

Hey, there are worse things like car accidents and gun violence and extremeism.


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Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 27 Feb 20 - 10:58 AM

There are hundreds of thousands of case of flu every year. Flu is never a mild illness and kills about two victims in every hundred. Coronavirus is a mild illness in four people out of five. It kills about one victim in a hundred (far fewer, I suspect, because it's not unlikely that tens of thousands of people have got it/had it without knowing it). By all means close schools and cancel football matches in hotspots. Otherwise, give me one rational reason for the suggested panicky overreacting we are getting, even in this thread. Nice opportunistic swipe at money-spinnng events, etc. But you can bet your life that the real reason for the draconian actions of the Chinese regime is a lot more to do with ensuring that their money-spinning capitalist economy doesn't go into free all, and watch that space if the US gets a few more cases...


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Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Iains
Date: 27 Feb 20 - 09:21 AM

https://www.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/dont-answer-the-door-strict-isolation-plan-to-contain-coro
"People with suspected symptoms of the new coronavirus should self-isolate at home, communicate with their family by phone and consider putting a sign on their front door to ward off visitors."

Here we go again!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plague_cross


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Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 27 Feb 20 - 07:31 AM

pfr:
Could well be right. Once everyone has been exposed we will have the chance to build up a 'herd immunity'. Unfortunately, doing this quickly may overwhelm the healthcare system for a while, and increase the percentage for whom it proves fatal.
Perhaps this has already happened (to some extent) in China. The news was last night that the rate of new cases is rising more quickly outside of China. Perhaps they are reaching saturation.


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Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 27 Feb 20 - 06:49 AM

Once a person becomes infected, rabies is nearly always fatal without treatment. The number of deaths in the United States ranged from 30 to 50 per year in the 1940s but has since dropped to one to three deaths per year due to not poking infected animals with a stick.


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Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 27 Feb 20 - 06:43 AM

Iains - this may be a bit of a fatalistically 'out there' idea..
but maybe we all do need to be exposed to the virus eventually,
over organized co-ordinated stages planned for by region and time...

similar to childhood 'measles parties'...

It's a lottery which of us will survive, but it will get the threat out the way with,
and probably build up a greater level of mass immunisation
before a vaccinate is miraculously discovered
by profiteering pharma corporations...?????????????????????????????????

I emphasise..????????????????????????????????????????????????...


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Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Iains
Date: 27 Feb 20 - 06:25 AM

PFR I agree with you.It is akin to poking a bear with a stick. Why do it if there is no compulsion?


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Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 27 Feb 20 - 06:16 AM

As a reasonably environmentally conscious lefty, ie not a Mail reader,
who doesn't live too far from Bristol;
I think going ahead with the Bristol Greta demo is sheer stupidity...

.. but then I'd also say exactly the say about money spinning corporate mass events
like football, other crowd pulling sports, and arena concerts,
at this point in time...

ALL risks to children...!!!


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