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Update to MIDI protocol

Dave the Gnome 02 Feb 20 - 02:01 AM
punkfolkrocker 02 Feb 20 - 02:57 AM
Joe G 02 Feb 20 - 06:50 AM
GUEST,Ed 02 Feb 20 - 07:18 AM
leeneia 04 Feb 20 - 01:42 PM
Mr Red 18 May 20 - 03:51 AM
leeneia 18 May 20 - 12:40 PM
punkfolkrocker 18 May 20 - 12:48 PM
Mr Red 19 May 20 - 03:19 AM
GUEST,.gargoyle 19 May 20 - 07:25 PM
leeneia 19 May 20 - 11:58 PM
Mr Red 20 May 20 - 02:30 AM
Richard Mellish 20 May 20 - 05:15 AM
punkfolkrocker 20 May 20 - 10:22 AM
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Subject: Update to MIDI protocol
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 02 Feb 20 - 02:01 AM

MIDI 2.0

The most significant factor is upgrading MIDI from 7 bit to 32 bit. It's like going from a Sinclair Spectrum to an X-Box 1. I dunno how it will affect the folk world but this will have a massive impact on digital music.


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Subject: RE: Update to MIDI protocol
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 02 Feb 20 - 02:57 AM

DtG - I'm aware it's due at some point, but so far I've not bothered reading articles, or watching youtubes.
I own a lot of midi gear and software..

I'd guess the software could implement midi 2 in future updates,
but as yet haven't a clue if it means buying new hardware midi interfaces...???

I'll have a look at your link...


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Subject: RE: Update to MIDI protocol
From: Joe G
Date: 02 Feb 20 - 06:50 AM

I think it's supposed to be backwards compatible


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Subject: RE: Update to MIDI protocol
From: GUEST,Ed
Date: 02 Feb 20 - 07:18 AM

The article states:

MIDI 2.0 is ... backwards compatible, and won’t make the billions of MIDI 1.0 devices already out in the world obsolete.


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Subject: RE: Update to MIDI protocol
From: leeneia
Date: 04 Feb 20 - 01:42 PM

That's good to know Ed. Thanks.

When I had to change to Windows 10 for security reasons, we decided simply to keep my present music set-up on the old computer and disconnect it from the Internet. Our new Windows 10 computer had a bad time running something as simple as e-mail, and I feared that running a MIDI program would cause it to collapse completely.

I'm hoping the music setup will live longer than I do.


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Subject: RE: Update to MIDI protocol
From: Mr Red
Date: 18 May 20 - 03:51 AM

New Scientist reckons there is only one box (keyboard?) that conforms to MIDI 2.0 at the moment with a couple more due for release.

The point of 32 bits is to better describe music not on the true temper scale like the Indian sitar, or bends and glides (eg). But their take is that the most exciting effects might not be in music, but in soundscapes in film or virtual reality. Oh gawd!

The new all electric Fiat Cinquecento is to have a low speed noise that is pleasing yet unnatural enough to be a warning. AND you can download any sound. I wonder if MIDI is the vector? Whatever - I shudder to think...................


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Subject: RE: Update to MIDI protocol
From: leeneia
Date: 18 May 20 - 12:40 PM

I don't understand most of these posts, but if I could have MIDI that produces a decent violin sound and a flute that sounds like a flute, I would be happy.

For example, the Fiat Cinquecento... Is that a car?


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Subject: RE: Update to MIDI protocol
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 18 May 20 - 12:48 PM

Leenia - you can..

But it would require you paying hundreds to thousands of $$$
for new upgraded equipment and up to date software;
then investing sufficient time learning to use it all...


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Subject: RE: Update to MIDI protocol
From: Mr Red
Date: 19 May 20 - 03:19 AM

Fiat Cinquecento... EV


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Subject: RE: Update to MIDI protocol
From: GUEST,.gargoyle
Date: 19 May 20 - 07:25 PM

Don't bother looking for the New Scientist article; it is trash.

The keyboard is a Roland A-88mkII

$1,000 usd


www.roland.com/us/products/a-88mk2/

Nice Article
www.theverge.com/2020/1/7/21028136/roland-a-88mkii-keyboard-support-midi-2-0-ces-namm-2020

Sincerely,
Gargoyle

sure sounds like fun


who let the troll out? Woof Woof


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Subject: RE: Update to MIDI protocol
From: leeneia
Date: 19 May 20 - 11:58 PM

I think the person that wrote the article linked in the OP has very little idea of the many uses for MIDI. I use MIDI as an intermediary. For example, if somebody mentions a beautiful melody on a thread, I might go to abcnotation.com or the Session and copy the MIDI to Noteworthy Composer. After that, I might change the key or write a harmonizing part. I note the chords on it.

The process might begin with an ABC file posted by a Mudcatter. I appreciate those. I just worked on "Swinging Shepherd Blues" that way.

I often change an old dance (16th or 17th C.) from F to G. That makes it nicer for guitar and has mercy on the flute, whose lowest note goes from C to D. Then I print it and play it on my piano or share it with friends in our monthly sessions. If we want to bend a note, we do it with our fingers.

Few people ever listen to my MIDI's, but I want to make them enjoyable. I find that Recorder and Orchestral Harp make nice recordings. Reed Organ and Acoustic Guitar are nice. The default piano sound is very cold, and the flute and violin are pitiful.

Sometimes when a new piece is tricky, we gather around the computer and listen to the MIDI several times, hearing the sound and watching the notes and knowing that the timing is computerarily accurate. This is a very helpful thing to do.

Sometimes I amble through the Lester Levy site, looking for good waltzes to play at English Country Dance. There it's a matter of opening Noteworthy and Levy in tiled windows and typing in the melody line. It takes a while, but I know a lot of tricks, and the process brings long-lost music back to life. I also enjoy doing this with forgotten ragtime.


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Subject: RE: Update to MIDI protocol
From: Mr Red
Date: 20 May 20 - 02:30 AM

Don't bother looking for the New Scientist article; it is trash
NO - lightweight for musicians maybe, given COVID-19 and everything, and the lockdown NS demographic being predominantly non-musicians.

I can well imagine the reference to computer games being spot on. Their graphics are getting ever more life-like so expressing an explosion as a coded sequence means efficiency and variety are ever more possible.

MIDI 2.0 may not be a massive technology disrupter but it will make waves (pun intended) and the NS told me that.


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Subject: RE: Update to MIDI protocol
From: Richard Mellish
Date: 20 May 20 - 05:15 AM

As a New Scientist subscriber I disagree with calling anything in there "trash" but I was saddened by the general tone of the article, with its assumption that music making typically no longer involves people playing real musical instruments.


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Subject: RE: Update to MIDI protocol
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 20 May 20 - 10:22 AM

Synths and samplers are real musical instruments..

They make millions of folks very happy...!!!

Except for a minuscule few stubborn old acoustic folkies,
who are seemingly so determined to find modern things to make them sad.....


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Subject: RE: Update to MIDI protocol
From: GUEST,.gargoyle
Date: 20 May 20 - 11:59 AM

leeneia,

Absolutely brillant.

Well done. Great examples.

Sincerely,
Gargoyle
You are obviously having great fun....which is what the denisons from .....don't get.


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Subject: RE: Update to MIDI protocol
From: leeneia
Date: 20 May 20 - 01:03 PM

Thanks, Gargoyle! You're a sweetie.


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