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Dave the Gnome 02 Feb 20 - 01:55 PM
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Dave the Gnome 02 Feb 20 - 05:42 PM
Steve Shaw 02 Feb 20 - 05:46 PM
Nigel Parsons 02 Feb 20 - 06:34 PM
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Bee-dubya-ell 02 Feb 20 - 06:57 PM
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Nigel Parsons 02 Feb 20 - 08:57 PM
Steve Shaw 02 Feb 20 - 09:02 PM
Dave the Gnome 03 Feb 20 - 02:10 AM
Jack Campin 03 Feb 20 - 03:18 AM
Steve Shaw 03 Feb 20 - 05:57 AM
Steve Shaw 03 Feb 20 - 06:24 AM
gillymor 03 Feb 20 - 06:32 AM
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Subject: BS: Happy palindrome day
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 02 Feb 20 - 01:55 PM

02 02 2020

Both sides of the pond :-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Happy palindrome day
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 02 Feb 20 - 02:02 PM

And other 2nd Feb Palindromes - it’s the 33rd day of the year, with 333 days remaining...


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Subject: RE: BS: Happy palindrome day
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 02 Feb 20 - 03:32 PM

Able was I ere I saw Elba

A man, a plan, a canal. Panama!


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Subject: RE: BS: Happy palindrome day
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 02 Feb 20 - 03:40 PM

20 minutes late - should have posted at 20:20 on 02/02/2020.


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Subject: RE: BS: Happy palindrome day
From: Mrrzy
Date: 02 Feb 20 - 05:23 PM

Rats live on no evil star

Love the Panama one (Panama... where everything smells like banana, per some weird-ass German book-on-video my kids had)

Madam, I'm Adam

I used to know a bunch of these


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Subject: RE: BS: Happy palindrome day
From: Mr Red
Date: 02 Feb 20 - 05:29 PM

20:20 here in the UK.


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Subject: RE: BS: Happy palindrome day
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 02 Feb 20 - 05:42 PM

Was that a vision?


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Subject: RE: BS: Happy palindrome day
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 02 Feb 20 - 05:46 PM

Longest single-word palindrome in the English language: DETARTRATED.

My birthday is a palindrome as long as a single digit is permitted for the month:   15651 (cards and cheques to the following address...)


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Subject: RE: BS: Happy palindrome day
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 02 Feb 20 - 06:34 PM

Many sources give the longest single-word palindrome as: tattarrattat.

A palindrome is a word or phrase which reads the same forwards as backwards, i.e. with its 'sides reversed' to create even longer palindromes, just insert "sides reversed is".
So "Able was I, ere I saw Elba' becomes:
Able was I ere I saw Elba sides reversed is able was I ere I saw Elba.


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Subject: RE: BS: Happy palindrome day
From: keberoxu
Date: 02 Feb 20 - 06:54 PM

Happy Groundhog Day, as well.
The word from the Groundhogs of note,
is that spring is to arrive early.


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Subject: RE: BS: Happy palindrome day
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 02 Feb 20 - 06:57 PM

And in the US, today is Groundhog Day, the most pointless "holiday" on the calendar, and Superbowl Sunday, the holiest day of the year to millions of Americans (but not this one).


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Subject: RE: BS: Happy palindrome day
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 02 Feb 20 - 07:30 PM

Yeah, Nige, but anybody can make up something that doesn't actually mean a damn thing and call it a palindrome. Like wot you've just done.


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Subject: RE: BS: Happy palindrome day
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 02 Feb 20 - 07:42 PM

"Sit on a potato pan, Otis"

The first ever palindrome was in Latin, thus:

"sator arepo tenet opera rotas"

Don't ask me to translate it. I only got a grade four.


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Subject: RE: BS: Happy palindrome day
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 02 Feb 20 - 08:46 PM

I see that someone on twitter has posted a photo of Trump with the palindromic caption
"Was it a rat I saw?" :-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Happy palindrome day
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 02 Feb 20 - 08:57 PM

Yeah, Nige, but anybody can make up something that doesn't actually mean a damn thing and call it a palindrome. Like wot you've just done.
A little search would have shown the ignorance of your assumption.
tattarrattat. is from the pen of James Joyce.


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Subject: RE: BS: Happy palindrome day
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 02 Feb 20 - 09:02 PM

It was your ill-conceived sentence I was referring to, not that.


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Subject: RE: BS: Happy palindrome day
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 03 Feb 20 - 02:10 AM

My mate Mike and I spent an evening drinking Holt's "Regal Lager" because we thought palindtomic meant particularly strong :-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Happy palindrome day
From: Jack Campin
Date: 03 Feb 20 - 03:18 AM

A description of Mudcat flame wars:

In girum imus nocte et consumimur igni


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Subject: RE: BS: Happy palindrome day
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 03 Feb 20 - 05:57 AM

I found that to be a great reviver, Jack.


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Subject: RE: BS: Happy palindrome day
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 03 Feb 20 - 06:24 AM

Here's a list of kids from one of my class registers:

Nell, Edna, Leon, Nedra, Anita, Rolf, Nora, Alice, Carol, Leo, Jane, Reed, Dena, Dale, Basil, Rae, Penny, Lana, Dave, Denny, Lena, Ida, Bernadette, Ben, Ray, Lila, Nina, Jo, Ira, Mara, Sara, Mario, Jan, Ina, Lily, Arne, Bette, Dan, Reba, Diane, Lynn, Ed, Eva, Dana, Lynne, Pearl, Isabel, Ada, Ned, Dee, Rena, Joel, Lora, Cecil, Aaron, Flora, Tina, Arden, Noel, and Ellen


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Subject: RE: BS: Happy palindrome day
From: gillymor
Date: 03 Feb 20 - 06:32 AM

Wow


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Subject: RE: BS: Happy palindrome day
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 03 Feb 20 - 07:09 AM

I never claimed that "sides reversed is" was my own formulation, Steve's claim that but anybody can make up something that doesn't actually mean a damn thing and call it a palindrome. Like wot you've just done. So he is still wrong. It appeared (although possibly not original even then) in "Games and Puzzles" magazine in the 1970s or 80s.

However, I believe he is deliberately lying when he claims:
Here's a list of kids from one of my class registers:

Nell, Edna, Leon, Nedra, Anita, Rolf, Nora, Alice, Carol, Leo, Jane, Reed, Dena, Dale, Basil, Rae, Penny, Lana, Dave, Denny, Lena, Ida, Bernadette, Ben, Ray, Lila, Nina, Jo, Ira, Mara, Sara, Mario, Jan, Ina, Lily, Arne, Bette, Dan, Reba, Diane, Lynn, Ed, Eva, Dana, Lynne, Pearl, Isabel, Ada, Ned, Dee, Rena, Joel, Lora, Cecil, Aaron, Flora, Tina, Arden, Noel, and Ellen


The list can easily be found elsewhere on the net, not attributed to 'Steve Shaw'. And I very much doubt that he ever had a class of 60.


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Subject: RE: BS: Happy palindrome day
From: gillymor
Date: 03 Feb 20 - 07:18 AM

Dammit I'm mad,

Let's dispense with the nitpickery.


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Subject: RE: BS: Happy palindrome day
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 03 Feb 20 - 07:42 AM

Nigel put a tup leg in.


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Subject: RE: BS: Happy palindrome day
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 03 Feb 20 - 10:06 AM

:-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Happy palindrome day
From: Mr Red
Date: 03 Feb 20 - 01:12 PM

Nigel put a tup leg in. - sides reversed?

SATOR
AREPO
TENET
OPERA
ROTAS


A well known Latin palindromic acrostic. A multi dimensional one at that.

The father
arepo
holds
The works
on wheels


looses much in translation. Particularly arepo which is reckoned to be there just to complete the format. Scholars generally agree is is not a known Latin word. Who knows it may have been a colloquialism/nickname, you had to be there to know.


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Subject: RE: BS: Happy palindrome day
From: G-Force
Date: 03 Feb 20 - 02:58 PM

Bob


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Subject: RE: BS: Happy palindrome day
From: Joe Offer
Date: 03 Feb 20 - 07:11 PM

So, when's the next Palindrome day, 12122121?


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Subject: RE: BS: Happy palindrome day
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 03 Feb 20 - 07:21 PM

"The next global palindrome will be 12/02/2021, which will be the last for another 1,009 years." [the Guardian]


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Subject: RE: BS: Happy palindrome day
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 03 Feb 20 - 07:54 PM

Unlike 02/02/2020, 12/02/2021 will not be a 'globally' palindromic day, as it doesn't represent a single day, but 12th Feb in some places and 2nd December in others.


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Subject: RE: BS: Happy palindrome day
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 03 Feb 20 - 07:59 PM

Only reportin' wot I've read, Nige...


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Subject: RE: BS: Happy palindrome day
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 03 Feb 20 - 08:19 PM

Yes, you clearly put too much trust in The Guardian.


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Subject: RE: BS: Happy palindrome day
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 04 Feb 20 - 02:38 AM

Yebbut now we are out of the EU and have our sovereignty back, Brittania will once again rule the waves, the sun will never set on the the British empire and all them Johnny Foreigners will have to comply with our date standard :-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Happy palindrome day
From: Doug Chadwick
Date: 04 Feb 20 - 02:51 AM

The next global palindrome will be 12/02/2021, which will be the last for another 1,009 years." [the Guardian]

How about 13/02/2031? Though some might not read it as a date, for those who do, there is no confusion.

DC


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Subject: RE: BS: Happy palindrome day
From: Doug Chadwick
Date: 04 Feb 20 - 04:29 AM

Unlike 02/02/2020, 12/02/2021 will not be a 'globally' palindromic day, as it doesn't represent a single day, but 12th Feb in some places and 2nd December in others.

Easter is sometimes on the same date but at other times on a different date for Western and Orthodox Christians, depending on how it is calculated. 12/02/2020 will be a palindromic date for everyone but, like Easter, will be noted at different times of the year, according to local calculations. I think that qualifies it as 'global'.

The convention for writing numbers is, left to right, highest to lowest. i.e. thousands > hundreds > tens > units.

In the 24 hour system, time is written: hours > minutes > seconds.

The year itself is written: millennium > century > decade > year.

Logically, dates should be written: year > month > day. Under this system, 2020/02/02 would still be a palindrome but the next one would be 22 months away, on 2021/12/02.

DC


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Subject: RE: BS: Happy palindrome day
From: Doug Chadwick
Date: 04 Feb 20 - 04:35 AM

..... 12/02/2021 will be a palindromic date for everyone but, .....


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Subject: RE: BS: Happy palindrome day
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 04 Feb 20 - 10:42 AM

I agrer, Doug. Whenever I compile a date list I always use YYYY MM DD. Those who know anything about computer sort rules will know why :-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Happy palindrome day
From: Mr Red
Date: 05 Feb 20 - 05:14 AM

will not be a 'globally' palindromic day,

Huh? It is a palindromic date. And that covers the whole day - I believe! If it refers to differing days in differing countries' syntax then they will celebrate the palindrome on differing days, that is all.

But not at a different time of day if you throw in the 24 hour clock (with seconds).

"T Eliott, top bard, not on drab pot toilet"


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Subject: RE: BS: Happy palindrome day
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 05 Feb 20 - 05:21 AM

"T Eliott, top bard, not on drab pot toilet"
Only works as a palindrome if you spell 'Eliot' correctly ;)


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Subject: RE: BS: Happy palindrome day
From: Mr Red
Date: 05 Feb 20 - 05:15 PM

So it doesn't suit you to a T?


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Subject: RE: BS: Happy palindrome day
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 07 Feb 20 - 06:01 PM

What did Napoleon say?    Able was I ere i saw Elba.


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Subject: RE: BS: Happy palindrome day
From: Mr Red
Date: 08 Feb 20 - 08:13 AM

Those who know anything about computer sort rules will know why :-)

Er...... In Excel it depends where you sort. And your settings. In cells, if you have selected UK format, it is happy to oblige. Indeed if you extend-fill a single date it will index the date correctly (to chosen format).

BUT.............

If you programme in VBA it gets confused with aa/bb/cccc so the only way to unconditionally deal with dates is to convert from expected format to cccc/bb/aa & thence to a long variable.
If you don't know what format is coming in, you have to force the in-putter to deliver the individual elements with a custom process/box/dialog.

And dates before 1970? But sometimes 1900?

Don't ya just love how computers make life simple?


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Subject: RE: BS: Happy palindrome day
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 08 Feb 20 - 08:52 AM

Unix shell, Mr R. Never needed much else :-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Happy palindrome day
From: Mr Red
Date: 10 Feb 20 - 04:23 PM

Do you program in any language that handles dates natively?

Bet there is a start date that isn't CE, and if it did, how does it handle the year zero?


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