BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: Elmore
Date: 04 Nov 20 - 07:14 PM

Thank Christ Biden is the (apparent) winner. My late, beloved wife, an atheist, whom I miss more than I can say, was rolling over in her ashes last night. tmi?

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: Donuel
Date: 04 Nov 20 - 08:23 PM

Election reporting is over using the word PATH to victory.
The psycho path must be going crazy.
I'm happy Florida is not the deciding state anymore.
Pennsylvania has that honor/snafu now.

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: gillymor
Date: 04 Nov 20 - 09:13 PM

If Biden holds Arizona and Nevada, which seems likely, Pennsylvania won't matter, he'll be right at 270. Georgia is also in play for Biden.

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: keberoxu
Date: 04 Nov 20 - 11:00 PM

They flipped Arizona!

exclaims the Mudcat member
old enough to remember Senator Barry Goldwater.

I have lived to see the day ...

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 04 Nov 20 - 11:47 PM

Trump was put in office by the Electoral College, despite the 3million + popular votes more that Hillary won. It's time for the Electoral College, a relic of the days when slave-holding states needed to get an extra bump, to go away. The popular vote should be the only factor.

It's agonizing to wait for the answer, but then, I think about how this must be absolute torture for Trump and his money-grubbing family and friends, I can be patient and wait for the results.

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: The Sandman
Date: 05 Nov 20 - 12:29 AM

264 biden 214 trump how can trump win

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: The Sandman
Date: 05 Nov 20 - 12:32 AM

bonzo nobody forces you to do anything so please desit imposing your doggerel on us

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: The Sandman
Date: 05 Nov 20 - 01:57 AM

and what is the green party candidate like ,and the libertarian is she more right wing than trump

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: The Sandman
Date: 05 Nov 20 - 03:02 AM

ok the libertarian is progressive in some ways and reactionary in others

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: DMcG
Date: 05 Nov 20 - 04:25 AM

A peculiar feature of all this is that the election and the ongoing rows will inevitably make the election centre stage and therefore drive the virus off the front page. On the UK 'Newsnight' programme last night there was already a Republican pointing out coronavirus has disappeared from the news, which is exactly what Trump claimed would happen. Of course, Trump claimed it would happen because it is all a plot by Democrats to stoke fear and it seems likely his supporters will believe that rather than the real reason it is off the front page for a while - perhaps quite a long while. It could be some time before the difference between 'disappearing' and 'disappearing from the news headlines' is understood.

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 05 Nov 20 - 05:35 AM

Surely a libertarian is someone who puts individual freedom above social responsibility - eg people who own semi-automatic firearms.

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: Donuel
Date: 05 Nov 20 - 07:23 AM

A libertarian is free to annoy everyone.

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: Jeri
Date: 05 Nov 20 - 08:34 AM

If Biden (or anyone) doesn't get to 270 electoral college votes, there must be a Contingency Election, which sounds like too much fun. I think it means that we could end up with Biden/Pence, but I don't know. I just want Biden to win freakin' Nevada.

Covid-19 has pretty much wrecked everything: lives, our economy, way of life, and the reason it's still surging 9 months later is that we have no federal leadership, to speak of. We've got a guy sitting in an office, making money, and hurting people. Not "leading".

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 05 Nov 20 - 08:47 AM

Irish of berb "to desit" !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Oi desit
ye desit
he'b desit
we'b desitin'
you'b desitin'
they'b desitin'

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: Mrrzy
Date: 05 Nov 20 - 10:06 AM

"We go to the garrick now and become warbs."

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: The Sandman
Date: 05 Nov 20 - 02:22 PM

bonzo is just being a dog in a manger.
bonzio, i am not irish i have a uk passport
now a really important fact, that nobody has mentioned is about the presedential debate which only takes place between republicans and democrats no other candidates take part apparantly back in the 1980s the democrats and the republicans agreed to set up a jointly owned private company called theThe Commission on Presidential Debates (CPD)
is a nonprofit corporation established in 1987 under the joint sponsorship of the Democratic and Republican political parties in the United States. ... It has run all of the presidential debates held since 1988.
it excludes all other parties

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: The Sandman
Date: 05 Nov 20 - 02:32 PM

The Commission on Presidential Debates (CPD) is a nonprofit corporation established in 1987 under the joint sponsorship of the Democratic and Republican political parties in the United States.[1][3] The CPD sponsors and produces debates for U.S. presidential and vice-presidential candidates and undertakes research and educational activities relating to the debates. It has run all of the presidential debates held since 1988. The commission's debates are sponsored by private contributions from foundations and corporations[4] as well as fees from hosting institutions.[5]

The commission's exclusion of third-party candidates from the debates has been the subject of controversy and legal challenges.

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 05 Nov 20 - 06:15 PM

Obviously I can't speak for everybody this end, but if I might just make a pitch for what my take on what "The Reasonable Brit" might be thinking about what's going on:

We want, dearly want, Joe Biden to get over the line. He may be weak because of the prospective numbers in the House/Senate, but we see him as that Safe Pair Of Hands that we saw (despite their flaws) with Bill Clinton and Obama. We think that his pledge to rejoin the Paris Accords is crucial for the future of the planet. We are incredibly disappointed that he didn't wipe Trump out. In fact, bearing in mind that Trump got far more votes than last time, we are worried to death about the future of western democracy in the face of the rise of populism. We have a US contributor on Question Time tonight who is saying that the US is not a democracy at all, but an oligarchy driven by corporations and powerful lobby groups. I'm not quite there with that view myself but I know what she means. I liked to hear Biden's calm voice tonight. Whether he can calm the world for four years to come is a bloody moot point but he's the only hope we've got. There's no God so I can't pray, but I want to wake up tomorrow hearing that Joe has made it.

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: Jeri
Date: 05 Nov 20 - 07:33 PM

He's going to make it.

Trump was just talking about how the evil Democrats were trying to steal the election. He said he won. There are lawsuits and attempts to stop the counting everywhere, some of which were dismissed. The mad has been increasingly un-balanced, and is very bad right now, what with his level of frustration. I think Biden will win, and I think Trump will be interesting to watch, if you like that sort of entertainment. MSNBC just stopped showing his address, and I think ignoring him is probably the healthiest thing I can do.

I should say, I don't think Biden is weak just because Trump has tried to get people to believe he is. Calm logic, patience in the face of craziness, and deliberate ignoring trolls takes some fortitude. IMO.

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 05 Nov 20 - 07:47 PM

I didn't mean to imply that he would be weak as a man, just that he could be weakened by the prospect of a lack of majority in the House/Senate.

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: Jeri
Date: 05 Nov 20 - 08:39 PM

Thanks for the clarification. Looks like Dems still have the House. They thought they get the Senate, but didn't, or at least didn't flip it completely. I wish they got the Senate, but the Presidency is pretty good. (I DID want McConnell and Graham gone.)

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: Donuel
Date: 05 Nov 20 - 09:39 PM

The election is over but Trump and FOX news are still campagning and have gone all in by putting all of their chips on lawsuits that claim they didn't have enough of their poll watchers allowed in to breathe down the neck of the poll counters. Its a he said she said arguement.

He said its Earth Shattering
She said much ado about nothing

He said the dead have risen from the grave to vote
She said no they didn't

He said it is outrageous, partisan and lawless
She said yes you are.

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: The Sandman
Date: 06 Nov 20 - 02:21 AM

rump is just a bad loser, the only infair thing about this election is the presedential debate, the green party and the fecwin libertarians should not be excluded the commission of presidential debate is a sticth up between the republicans and the democrats, i do not agree wit the libertarians on most issues but they should be allowed along with the greens to take part in a presidential debate, hardly a level playing field

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 06 Nov 20 - 04:20 AM

Absolutely Sandman!

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: DMcG
Date: 06 Nov 20 - 04:25 AM

That is tricky, though, Sandman. Without some sort of proportional representation what usually happens is the smallest party (eg the Greens) takes votes disproportionately from the party most aligned with them, leading to the one least aligned getting most votes. This vote-splitting has been the bane of all FPTP systems wherever they are in the world, and, short of some PR system, it seems insoluble.

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: Donuel
Date: 06 Nov 20 - 08:46 AM

An animation about your 3rd party quandry:

A donkey and an elephant are both sitting on the far ends of a park bench reading a newspaper. Up walks a donkey with thick legs and a short elephant trunk asking "Is there room?". The donkey and elephant plop down their newspapers in the middle of the bench and say
"NO !!"

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: Mrrzy
Date: 06 Nov 20 - 12:05 PM

Ah the hope the hope the hope
Painful painful agonizing hope
I feel for MIA families, again
Hope is cruel and has pointy teeth
And claws

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: The Sandman
Date: 06 Nov 20 - 12:20 PM

biden will win but udforunately donald fuck up will be there until jan 20

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: Donuel
Date: 06 Nov 20 - 12:30 PM

There are no Republicans willing to give their fearful leader the bad news. Instead they are leaving it up to FOX NEWS to tell King Lear the awful truth.

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 06 Nov 20 - 01:02 PM

Reported on BBC News earlier that Repuglican close supporters of tRump are now beginning to slowly distance themselves from him.

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: Donuel
Date: 06 Nov 20 - 05:25 PM

The cracks in the damn enablers are showing fear of prosecution and are backing away slowly. Even Murdoch has started whistling past the graveyard of the Trump family. Yes it is time to put the dick back in the dictator. I'll allow Pelosi to choose where to put it. Dic-tator tots like Donald Trump Junior are crying for the people to go to war, but with an army like Rudy's Ruff riders and Bubba's Tennesee militia it does not look like civil war afterall.

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: mg
Date: 06 Nov 20 - 06:18 PM

here is a great song..the same old wind that blows our strings out of tune is blowing our discords away. https://soundcloud.com/timberbound/same-old-wind?in=timberbound/sets/timberbound-songbook

https://soundcloud.com/timberbound/same-old-wind?in=timberbound/sets/timberbound-songbook

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: Donuel
Date: 06 Nov 20 - 06:18 PM

Joe Biden is going to be the president of the United States, the math is an impossibility for Donald Trump now. He can not be elected President, there is no path for him to be elected with the few remaining uncounted votes. Temper tantrums and hurt feelings don't matter anymore; his delusions, his King Lear act, the enablers are upset - it doesn't matter. They lost.

That leaves 48% of Americans having voted for a an authoritarian movementwith fascistic markers hostile to American democracy, to the rule of law and venerates a cult personality. I think the heir apparent will not be Trrmp Jr.but is Tucker Carlson in 2024. Hewill say Trump was stabbed in the back by unseen deep state actors and the election was stolen. That will be the new cry of the right wing victim.

Republicans will believe this forever because they have been poisoned by the Murdoch corporation, by OAN, by Sinclair, the sludge and aewerage on Facebook, so this will still be a long term fight.
We have an embolden white nationalistmoveent, we see a militia movement supported by the Republican party like black shirts. AR 15s are a political statement. All this needs to be sealed up and buried like the Chernobyl reactor.

THE GOOD NEWS IS THIS 4 million people oppose those dark efforts of the right. From the Lexington Concord forward we the people decided to govern ourselves and not be dictated to. We pick the leaders.

Trump has been fired due to his malfeasence, recklessness, immaturity and insanity.

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: DMcG
Date: 07 Nov 20 - 03:15 AM

I am hearing theories Trump will resign before the inauguration in January specifically so that Pence can give him a Presidential pardon. I can't say I would be surprised.

I presume that if he decided to do that, there is no way of preventing it?

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 07 Nov 20 - 03:36 AM

I hope that Biden does get to the White House and then makes sure there are failsafes in place to prevent the election of anyone so twisted again. The downside to this is that we in the UK can no longer say that there are worse things than Boris Johnson...

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: DMcG
Date: 07 Nov 20 - 03:56 AM

There are too many 'Red' states for it to fly, but I would have liked to see a proposal for an amendment to the Constitution to put some constraints on what a President can and cannot do, including such things as blocking nepotism and the use of properties owned by the President and family for government purposes, and government properties for party purposes. I am sure other can think of things to add to the list.

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: The Sandman
Date: 07 Nov 20 - 04:00 AM

well biden is certainly better than donald, however i think that the commission of presidential debate is a stitch up

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: gillymor
Date: 07 Nov 20 - 05:10 AM

Here's an indication of how much regard some trump supporters have for the democratic process-
Stop the vote...

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 07 Nov 20 - 06:34 AM

“Don’t wanna go...!!”

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: peteglasgow
Date: 07 Nov 20 - 07:51 AM

very good - the solution is clear. build a new white house, a new mar-a-lago take the real trump tower.....get Fauci to sedate DT and stick him in his own new reality TV show 'How I won the White House 2020' It will be a piece of piss to get him to watch the new 'Donald TV' show and filter the rest. He carries on , as ever, in his own world and we get to enjoy watching all the fun. i'm sure real world leaders would love to make guest appearances and feed his sense of importance. 'can i congratulate you on your victory....etc...' he's happy, everyone's a winner!

david lynch to direct the show, i think.....any other suggestions?

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: Jeri
Date: 07 Nov 20 - 09:00 AM

This all got messed up from the top levels directing the bottom, and it spread. In other words, they screwed education so kids no longer learn about civics. They watch TV, where people who act like idiots are rewarded by being noticed. Mostly, because they're uneducated, they believe whatever their hero tells them.
Man, question everything - not just "authority", but what the people you like say. We have a whole generation (or maybe two) of stupid people. Educate their kids, at least.

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: Mrrzy
Date: 07 Nov 20 - 11:29 AM

It got called for Biden while I was at the market. Whew.

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins 11/7
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 07 Nov 20 - 11:51 AM

*Singing* Donald the ex-President packed his trunk and got kicked out of the Whitehouse. Off he went with a Trumpety Trump, Trump, Trump....

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins 11/7
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 07 Nov 20 - 11:52 AM

The Orange Lunatic has lost. Time to forget the bastard and move forward.

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins 11/7
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 07 Nov 20 - 11:58 AM

I said months ago that Joe couldn't win. I have never been so utterly delighted in my whole life that I could have been so woefully wrong.

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins 11/7
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 07 Nov 20 - 12:37 PM

And I’m utterly delighted you were wrong, Steve. I thought Agent Orange would get back in - I’m amazed and delighted I was wrong too.

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins 11/7
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 07 Nov 20 - 12:40 PM

Our American mates better make sure this result sticks.

I'll celebrate when I know for absolute certain that trump no longer has any access to nuclear codes and buttons.

He's too much like the spoilt brat
who gets kicked off the football pitch
and punctures the ball as he sulks off...

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins 11/7
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 07 Nov 20 - 12:44 PM

... anyway..

Hopefully, direct from Whitehouse to jail without passing go...

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins 11/7
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 07 Nov 20 - 12:49 PM

Well done all my American friends and thank you to the 75 million who voted for sanity. We still have Johnson and Putin to go but hopefully you have sent the message that short term populism isn't an option for most of the world :-)

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins 11/7
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 07 Nov 20 - 01:03 PM

Lest we forget, Trump wasn't exactly wiped out. He increased his personal vote. The USA is a bitterly divided country just now, and reuniting it will be one of Biden's most difficult tasks. He's made a very good start by remaining dignified, calm and measured during the last few days.