Dick Miles at Cork Singers Club - 8 March

Subject: Dick Miles Cork Singers Club
From: The Sandman
Date: 05 Mar 20 - 03:52 AM

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Subject: RE: Dick Miles Cork Singers Club
From: The Sandman
Date: 05 Mar 20 - 01:42 PM

I am not allowed tp play with my gadget

Subject: RE: Dick Miles at Cork Singers Club - 8 March
From: GUEST,jim bainbridge
Date: 06 Mar 20 - 05:29 AM

Good luck with that Dick- they asked me once with the same restriction- I said no & never heard from them again.
Maybe you conform with the rules as a kind of challenge?
Did you ever get any justification for the rule?- it seems a serious restriction on you and me too & not really a reflection of what we actually do?
Mind you, I used to attend the Sligo singers session, which had the same restriction. I wasn't a guest so no problem in conforming for the 2/3 songs everyone got. One Christmas, it was decided that instruments were allowed, so I took my box & started a song with it... a very out-of-tune guitar then accompanied my efforts of & did so for everyone, regardless- it was awful.
The organiser, the late Frank Finn told me later that a similar previous event was the reason for the no instruments policy!

Subject: RE: Dick Miles at Cork Singers Club - 8 March
From: GUEST,Cj
Date: 06 Mar 20 - 06:08 AM

I'm glad of clubs like this, with these rules, but I'm also glad of those more lax. It's a funny thing at folk clubs, when people bring in lyrics and such and they can't really sing in tune or time. I actually quite enjoy it - hearing the lady from the Post Office belting out a number. I'm far more comfortable with that than the sometime mannered voices of singers a rung or two up the ladder, or somebody who has almost mastered a Bert Jansch tune. The voice is such a beautiful, personal instrument, hearing it unaccompanied for a song or two is a treat.

Subject: RE: Dick Miles at Cork Singers Club - 8 March
From: The Sandman
Date: 06 Mar 20 - 12:18 PM

Jim they let MartinCarthy use his guitar and steve turner his concertinas, all i can say is it shows that i am more versatile than them and i am modest too

Subject: RE: Dick Miles at Cork Singers Club - 8 March
From: GUEST,jim bainbridge
Date: 07 Mar 20 - 05:42 AM

Don't know about the latter, Dick! but just interested in why such rules are made- it seems exceptions can be made, which I didn't know! I once asked if Margaret Barry would have been allowed to play her banjo, without a proper answer, but maybe she'd have been an exception?
I've met a few British singers who've come across the same rule, and said no.

I think such restrictions on material as applied at the Singers club and the Newcastle 'Bridge' club were maybe justified in the sixties but why now?

Subject: RE: Dick Miles at Cork Singers Club - 8 March
From: The Sandman
Date: 07 Mar 20 - 09:15 AM

Jim , i do not know
but i like the gig and can do it unaccompanied , unlike steve turner or martin carthy, so i guess i enjoy the challenge ,variety is what i am able to do , so he who pays the piper calls the tune, soi am going to enjoy myself without playing with my gadget

Subject: RE: Dick Miles at Cork Singers Club - 8 March
From: The Sandman
Date: 08 Mar 20 - 03:57 AM

The remit of the club is to encourage unaccompanied singning

Subject: RE: Dick Miles at Cork Singers Club - 8 March
From: GUEST,kenny
Date: 08 Mar 20 - 07:47 AM

Just answered your own question then. Have a good gig.
I'm genuinely curious as to why you think Messrs. Turner or Carthy COULDN'T do a concert of unaccompanied songs if they so wished. What's to stop them, apart from personal choice ?

Subject: RE: Dick Miles at Cork Singers Club - 8 March
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 08 Mar 20 - 07:56 AM

Same as that Dick - break a leg
Shouldn't be difficult in Cork - they're a funny lot :-)
For what it's worth, I don't believe a policy of non instrumentation to be in any way a restriction
The Irish have a magnificent instrumental tradition and historically they have chosen to make their songs unaccompanied - we need to respect that
After all, you wouldn't wear your mini in a Mosque - or would you !!!
How people choose to run their clubs is their choice - that's the way it has to be
Jim

Subject: RE: Dick Miles at Cork Singers Club - 8 March
From: The Sandman
Date: 08 Mar 20 - 08:50 AM

I cannot answer that for them,they chose not to, did i say they could not?
why they chose not to when they must have known it was a club with certain rules, and accepted the gig, that is their business
however i am versatile enough, that i can do it, i started and did my first gig as an unaccompanied singer,
im my experience if one is going to sing the same songs that one normally does with an instrument they have to be practised unaccompanied.
so kenny , i do not need to have the rules of the club waived, i am comforable doing the gig unaccompanied or accompanied, however i will taker my faithful gadget just to take an occasional note for pitching

Subject: RE: Dick Miles at Cork Singers Club - 8 March
From: The Sandman
Date: 08 Mar 20 - 08:56 AM

by contrast JIM BAINBRIDGE knew the rules and refused the gig ,thats ok too, i have played with jim many times i enjoy his company, i respect him as a perfprmer , but we all have different takes on things

Subject: RE: Dick Miles at Cork Singers Club - 8 March
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 08 Mar 20 - 12:37 PM

You're in good company Dick
When The Goilín Club offered to waive the rules at the Frank Hart memorial weekend for Christie Moore because they knew he and Frank were friends Christie declined
Jim

Subject: RE: Dick Miles at Cork Singers Club - 8 March
From: GUEST,kenny
Date: 08 Mar 20 - 01:52 PM

"so kenny , i do not need to have the rules of the club waived"
I never suggested or implied any such thing. I will repeat, I hope you evening goes well, and is well attended.
I was only asking why you think Martin Carthy or Steve Turner couldn't do a performance of songs without accompaniment. Never mind.
Carry on.

Subject: RE: Dick Miles at Cork Singers Club - 8 March
From: GUEST,Pseudonymous
Date: 09 Mar 20 - 06:29 AM

I hope that it went well and that all enjoyed themselves.

Subject: RE: Dick Miles at Cork Singers Club - 8 March
From: The Sandman
Date: 09 Mar 20 - 08:21 AM

Yes, very enjoyable night , i noticed at least three very good young unaccompanied singers some good iriah language singers in fact a variety of singers generally high standard. Kenny your quesation would be better adressed to them ,i cannot speak for anyone else .
But I have no difficulty doing either unaccompanied gigs or accompanied gigs

Subject: RE: Dick Miles at Cork Singers Club - 8 March
From: GUEST,jim bainbridge
Date: 09 Mar 20 - 09:52 AM

Good for you Dick- I just wondered why the club has the policy- I wouldn't get into an argument about the relative quality of unaccompanied singing in England and Ireland, but if that's the club's policy, that's fine by me!
I do some songs without my box, but wouldn't be happy doing a whole night-   I like to break up the songs with a few tunes, as Rosie Stewart & sisters do at their wonderful Sunday sessions in Co Leitrim.
That's probably not acceptable in a 'singers' club' for obvious reasons & that's fine too, but I've always been against such strict rules & will act accordingly.

By the way, it's news to me that the Goilin has a 'no instruments' policy- it certainly didn't when I did it several years ago!

Subject: RE: Dick Miles at Cork Singers Club - 8 March
From: Brian Peters
Date: 09 Mar 20 - 10:01 AM

"In my experience if one is going to sing the same songs that one normally does with an instrument they have to be practised unaccompanied."

Amen to that, Dick. It's a very different experience, singing a song that you usually accompany, without the instrument. I'm glad your gig went well.

Subject: RE: Dick Miles at Cork Singers Club - 8 March
From: GUEST,jim bainbridge
Date: 09 Mar 20 - 10:26 AM

One great thing about singing with an instrument is that when you forget the words, you can always add a few bars of diddly music while you think of the next verse

Subject: RE: Dick Miles at Cork Singers Club - 8 March
From: The Sandman
Date: 09 Mar 20 - 02:09 PM

Quite true, Jim.

Subject: RE: Dick Miles at Cork Singers Club - 8 March
From: The Sandman
Date: 09 Mar 20 - 02:28 PM

i think when i did the The Goilín Club, they allowed one song with the concertina, but my memory might be playing tricks with me

Subject: RE: Dick Miles at Cork Singers Club - 8 March
From: The Sandman
Date: 11 Mar 20 - 03:11 AM

The unaccompanied voice is an instrument that is not expensive available to alland is not costly to maintain, it is the true instrument of the people

Subject: RE: Dick Miles at Cork Singers Club - 8 March
From: GUEST,GBH
Date: 11 Mar 20 - 06:32 AM

So if that's true, surely the accompanying instrument detracts from the performance, so why bother doing it?

Subject: RE: Dick Miles at Cork Singers Club - 8 March
From: The Sandman
Date: 11 Mar 20 - 10:28 AM

No it does not, it makes it something different, it does not detract just changes it , furthemore you comment is not logical,
the fact the voice is not difficult to maintain and is not an expensive instrument and is the true instrument of the people has no connection with quality of performance or one being better than the other, they are just different

Subject: RE: Dick Miles at Cork Singers Club - 8 March
From: Brian Peters
Date: 11 Mar 20 - 11:14 AM

I agree with that completely, Dick.

Subject: RE: Dick Miles at Cork Singers Club - 8 March
From: GUEST,Learaí na Láibe
Date: 14 Mar 20 - 10:51 PM

Cork Singers Club suspended because of the Covid 19 little nasty fella.

Subject: RE: Dick Miles at Cork Singers Club - 8 March
From: The Sandman
Date: 15 Mar 20 - 04:00 AM

now we mustnt be sexist about viruses

Subject: RE: Dick Miles at Cork Singers Club - 8 March
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 15 Mar 20 - 04:14 AM

"Covid 19"
Why not just book someone else ?
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: Dick Miles at Cork Singers Club - 8 March
From: r.padgett
Date: 15 Mar 20 - 05:02 AM

Cork Singers Club suspended because of the Covid 19 little nasty fella.

It is a good job you had your gig then Dick!!

See some of the Cork singers at Warwick ff usually

Ray

Subject: RE: Dick Miles at Cork Singers Club - 8 March
From: The Sandman
Date: 16 Mar 20 - 03:33 AM

indeed

Subject: RE: Dick Miles at Cork Singers Club - 8 March
From: The Sandman
Date: 19 Mar 20 - 02:58 AM

let us hope that it reopens soon and all the singers have good health