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Origins: Drover's Dream

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GUEST,Kerry Doherty 07 Mar 20 - 07:43 PM
GUEST,Starship 07 Mar 20 - 07:59 PM
cnd 07 Mar 20 - 08:03 PM
GUEST,Starship 07 Mar 20 - 10:56 PM
Tony Rees 09 Mar 20 - 05:46 PM
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Sandra in Sydney 10 Mar 20 - 06:08 AM
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GUEST,Kerry Doherty 10 Mar 20 - 08:25 PM
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Subject: Origins: Drover's Dream
From: GUEST,Kerry Doherty
Date: 07 Mar 20 - 07:43 PM

I am a present researching the History of the Bush Music Club in Australia. The song the "Drover's Dream" sung by Alan Scott and the Bushwhackers was released by Wattle Records on a 78 rmp in 1956. I am constantly told it reached the "hit parade" but I am unable to find any evidence of this. Does anyone have evidence of this. Any help would be appreciated.


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Subject: RE: Origins: Drover's Dream
From: GUEST,Starship
Date: 07 Mar 20 - 07:59 PM

"The Bushwhackers made records for Wattle Records from 1955 to 1957 and their Bush Songs helped keep the wolf from Wattle's door for a few years. Their 78 rpm recording of The Drover's Dream, with Alan Scott singing, sold 20,000 copies in 1956!"

Twenty thousand is mucho copies, but enough to make it a hit I don't know.


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Subject: RE: Origins: Drover's Dream
From: cnd
Date: 07 Mar 20 - 08:03 PM

I found the following: The Sydney Morning Herald, March 12th 2001, p. 37

"In 1955 the Wattle recording company issued its first disc, the Bushwackers singing The Drover's Dream. The first Australian folk "hit", it sold more than 20,000 copies."

I didn't find anything from the 1950s explicity stating that, but it looks like it was first released on a 33 rpm album titled "Australian Folk Songs" by The Bushwackers rather than Alan Scott on his own


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Subject: RE: Origins: Drover's Dream
From: GUEST,Starship
Date: 07 Mar 20 - 10:56 PM

I checked the years 1955 to 1957 and Drover's Dream wasn't in any of 'em. However, it may not have covered all of Australia.

https://tsort.info/music/faq_site_index.htm


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Subject: RE: Origins: Drover's Dream
From: Tony Rees
Date: 09 Mar 20 - 05:46 PM

For additional background, here is the full [original band] Bushwhackers recorded output so far as I have found while researching for the relevant article on Wikipedia:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bushwhackers_(band)#Discography_and_filmography

The "20,000" figure is mentioned by Keith McKenry in his biography of John Meredith, on p. 153-154. He cites the source "Our folk songs get an airing": Sydney Sun-Herald, 15 July 1962, p. 73.

Regards - Tony


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Subject: RE: Origins: Drover's Dream
From: cnd
Date: 09 Mar 20 - 08:17 PM

The page Tony Rees mentions can be found here: https://www.newspapers.com/image/121273543

The relevant section reads:

One song, "The Drover's Dream," sung by Alan Scott, has sold about 20,000 copies since it was recorded seven years ago.

"That's more than many hit records sell," he [Peter Hamilton] said. "But hit records don't stay on sale for seven years."


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Subject: RE: Origins: Drover's Dream
From: Sandra in Sydney
Date: 10 Mar 20 - 06:08 AM

thanks, cnd, Starship & Tony

I appreciate the link to the SMH article& McKenry, we've been looking for that "Top 40" reference for a long time! We have a collection of newspaper clippings, but not this one.

I've added another sticky note to my copy of McKenry

Keith's reference from p.154 is to "A genuine Hit - Our folk songs get an airing", Sydney, Sun-Herald, 15 July 1962, p.73, the Sun-Herald is the Sunday issue of the Sydney Morning Herald, yet newspapers.com says it's page 95.

The Sydney morning herald archives [electronic resource]. Search every edition of the Sydney Morning Herald and The Sun-Herald between 1955-1995. All articles, captions and advertisements are fully keyword searchable and full-text results are returned in an exact digital reproduction of the printed pages as they were originally published. Browse and search is free. Subscription necessary to view articles in full.

here's the direct link Sydney Morning Herald archives, Found 1 result(s) for exact word or phrase: 'Our folk songs get an airing' and from date '1962-07-01' and to date '1962-08-01'. Showing results 1-1 & I've screen shot the image, which is just the title of the article as I haven't paid for it. 'A Genuine hit' is not part of the title.

The Bushwhackers - Australian Bush Songs, Wattle Recordings, 1957 - blog updated with McKenry reference

sandra
BMC Secretary, Librarian & Archivist
Bush Music Club blog


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Subject: RE: Origins: Drover's Dream
From: cnd
Date: 10 Mar 20 - 10:52 AM

Sandra, the newspapers.com numbering is wrong, but you can see that p. 73 is the right page in the bottom corner. After p. 22 it gets all out of order - I imagine Sydney Morning Herlad's archives pull from the same out of order source (which is why theirs is also wrong). But you are right - I don't see the phrase "A genuine hit" in the title or body of the article.


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Subject: RE: Origins: Drover's Dream
From: Tony Rees
Date: 10 Mar 20 - 05:20 PM

No, "A genuine hit" is from the text of Keith's book, his wording. It is this phrase (on his page 154: "Wattle had a genuine hit on their hands...") that is then sourced to the newspaper article entitled "Our folk songs get an airing". Just to clear up the confusion,

Cheers - Tony


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Subject: RE: Origins: Drover's Dream
From: Sandra in Sydney
Date: 10 Mar 20 - 06:39 PM

thanks, cnd & Tony, I've changed the page reference. I was squinting at a small image & naturally Keith's References refer to the words he used.

sandra (less confused!)


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Subject: RE: Origins: Drover's Dream
From: GUEST,Kerry Doherty
Date: 10 Mar 20 - 08:25 PM

Thanks everyone for getting back to me. I have never been able to find evidence that it was ever on the hit parade but it was very successful in its day. From my research it was most popular in Queensland and others have mentioned it was often played on country radio stations.
Folkies being what they are it is often difficult to find written evidence on anything. As Sandra Nixon will testify trying to research the early history of the Bush Music Club is not an easy task, but as always a big thank you to all those who went out and recorded the memories of those who where there and for the National Library of Australia, which is always a good resource.


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Subject: RE: Origins: Drover's Dream
From: leeneia
Date: 12 Mar 20 - 05:19 PM

You can hear it on YouTube. Just search for Drover's Dream.

It was not what I expected.


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Subject: RE: Origins: Drover's Dream
From: Bruce D
Date: 13 Mar 20 - 03:13 AM

You need to also have a look at the two Bush Music Club LP's, one of them from memony also had a recording of the Drovers Dream,I no longer have copies as they were given to the BMC Library a few years ago.

and also check the LP that was issued by Larrikin Records on collected works Drovers Dream may be on that with footnotes.

Also from memory I belive there was a Film clip of Duke singing the Drovers Dream, proberly now in the National Sound Archives.

John Meredith also filmed some of the people he collected songs from.

Bruce D


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Subject: RE: Origins: Drover's Dream
From: Sandra in Sydney
Date: 13 Mar 20 - 08:40 AM

Getting the Record Straight. BMC Discography by Bob Bolton, 1983
Articles from Mark Gregory's Australian Folk Songs - a selection


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Subject: RE: Origins: Drover's Dream
From: GUEST,Truthful Jones
Date: 15 Sep 21 - 11:23 PM

Well, this is absolutely marvellous!
I've been hunting around for years, on and off, to find this song which was a staple of ABC morning radio when I was a child in the mid-1950s. I loved it and remembered some of the lyrics but didn't know the title nor the performers.
Russ Tyson played it almost every morning for what seemed like years from mid-1950s to the early 1960s.. I can't remember when it finally drifted off the play-lists.
From Leeneia's mention of You-Tube, I looked it up and found this scratchy, but reasonable, recording from the 78rpm record, and it IS exactly what I remembered and expected.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyQWhp310tI

Thanks to you all for helping me to find a childhood memory that was special to me.


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Subject: RE: Origins: Drover's Dream
From: Sandra in Sydney
Date: 16 Sep 21 - 03:09 AM

Mudcat at it's best when various members & friends get together to locate information!


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Subject: RE: Origins: Drover's Dream
From: Joe Offer
Date: 15 Nov 21 - 05:55 PM

Joe - do cleanup


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