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Creative group

Danlbear 04 Jan 00 - 11:30 AM
Bert 04 Jan 00 - 12:16 PM
bbelle 04 Jan 00 - 12:23 PM
Danlbear 04 Jan 00 - 12:23 PM
Dave (the ancient mariner) 04 Jan 00 - 12:30 PM
Danlbear 04 Jan 00 - 12:39 PM
Dave (the ancient mariner) 04 Jan 00 - 12:43 PM
Danlbear 04 Jan 00 - 12:50 PM
Bert 04 Jan 00 - 12:52 PM
04 Jan 00 - 01:51 PM
danlbear 04 Jan 00 - 01:54 PM
JamesJim 04 Jan 00 - 05:24 PM
Richard Bridge 04 Jan 00 - 05:43 PM
JenEllen 04 Jan 00 - 05:56 PM
Roger in Baltimore 04 Jan 00 - 06:07 PM
paddymac 04 Jan 00 - 06:25 PM
Victoria 04 Jan 00 - 06:37 PM
fulurum 04 Jan 00 - 07:34 PM
John in Brisbane 04 Jan 00 - 07:55 PM
McGrath of Harlow 04 Jan 00 - 08:12 PM
MMario 04 Jan 00 - 09:34 PM
bbelle 04 Jan 00 - 09:40 PM
faswilli2 04 Jan 00 - 09:44 PM
harpgirl 04 Jan 00 - 09:45 PM
harpgirl 04 Jan 00 - 09:49 PM
faswilli2 (Emerson) 04 Jan 00 - 10:00 PM
faswilli2 (Emerson) 04 Jan 00 - 10:01 PM
Little Neophyte 04 Jan 00 - 10:28 PM
vikinglass 04 Jan 00 - 10:29 PM
MMario 04 Jan 00 - 10:34 PM
catspaw49 04 Jan 00 - 11:09 PM
bbelle 04 Jan 00 - 11:27 PM
InOBU 04 Jan 00 - 11:37 PM
catspaw49 04 Jan 00 - 11:43 PM
DonMeixner 05 Jan 00 - 12:07 AM
Roger in Baltimore 05 Jan 00 - 12:51 AM
JamesJim 05 Jan 00 - 12:55 AM
paddymac 05 Jan 00 - 01:07 AM
Helen 05 Jan 00 - 01:38 AM
Danlbear 05 Jan 00 - 08:07 AM
harpgirl 05 Jan 00 - 08:26 AM
InOBU 05 Jan 00 - 08:35 AM
McGrath of Harlow 05 Jan 00 - 02:16 PM
MMario 05 Jan 00 - 02:33 PM
Bert 05 Jan 00 - 02:39 PM
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Subject: Creative group
From: Danlbear
Date: 04 Jan 00 - 11:30 AM

I have been on here a long time, but I never post. Well, until today anyway. After reading through the threads, the creativity of this group makes me feel a bit inadequate. Keep posting though. I enjoy reading.

Dan


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Subject: RE: Creative group
From: Bert
Date: 04 Jan 00 - 12:16 PM

Me too Danlbear. It doesn't stop me from posting though.


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Subject: RE: Creative group
From: bbelle
Date: 04 Jan 00 - 12:23 PM

I made the same statement when someone referred to those who don't post as "lurkers." I had been on the mudcat for several months and found offense at the term. One day I just stepped out of my comfort zone and posted to a thread ... and the rest is history. Occasionally that old devil "folksnobbery" rears its ugly head at someone's post, but less and less, and it even happens to us "oldtimers." So ... my advice is ... if you have something you would like to add, it will be appreciated and will add depth to our "conversations" ... moonchild


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Subject: RE: Creative group
From: Danlbear
Date: 04 Jan 00 - 12:23 PM

Well Bert...For some reason, it hasn't stopped me this morning...smiles


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Subject: RE: Creative group
From: Dave (the ancient mariner)
Date: 04 Jan 00 - 12:30 PM

Welcome aboard Danlbear, whats your favourite music mate? Yours, Aye. Dave


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Subject: RE: Creative group
From: Danlbear
Date: 04 Jan 00 - 12:39 PM

Dave...I don't know if you can classify it or not. It definitely is folk music though. Mostly ballads. Greensleeves to The circle game...favorite artists...Gordon Lightfoot to name one of many.


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Subject: RE: Creative group
From: Dave (the ancient mariner)
Date: 04 Jan 00 - 12:43 PM

A good Canadian singer, he who immortalised the wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald. Good choice, very fond of his Pony Man song myself. used to sing it to the "Sprogs" until one told me I couldn't sing worth a damn, and the other discovered "The Spice girls". Yours, Aye. Dave


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Subject: RE: Creative group
From: Danlbear
Date: 04 Jan 00 - 12:50 PM

I can see what the hook is here. I don't know many people who sing folk music in my area anymore. Everybody has gone on to bigger and better things...know what I mean?


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Subject: RE: Creative group
From: Bert
Date: 04 Jan 00 - 12:52 PM

Where's here Danlbear?


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Subject: RE: Creative group
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Date: 04 Jan 00 - 01:51 PM

Peoria Illinois Bert


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Subject: RE: Creative group
From: danlbear
Date: 04 Jan 00 - 01:54 PM

Oops...forgot to set my cookie


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Subject: RE: Creative group
From: JamesJim
Date: 04 Jan 00 - 05:24 PM

I'm a new-comer as well(about 2 months) and find my visits very enlightening. I've been singing/playing folk music of all kinds for a lot of years (in Kentucky). It's just good to see that so many people are carrying on this great tradition!


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Subject: RE: Creative group
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 04 Jan 00 - 05:43 PM

I just wanted to say that although Gordon Lightfoot is not trendy I thought "Boss Man" was a hell of a song.


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Subject: RE: Creative group
From: JenEllen
Date: 04 Jan 00 - 05:56 PM

Welcome abord Danlbear. Do they still sell hip-waders in Illinois? You'll probably need some if you hang around here for long. Have you tried the various engines related to folk in looking for things in your area? I used to live in Indiana, and there was lots to do. From the ol' Bean Blossom Festivals to local gatherings. Good Luck, Elle


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Subject: RE: Creative group
From: Roger in Baltimore
Date: 04 Jan 00 - 06:07 PM

Danlbear,

Welcome aboard. 'Twas I that made that reference to "lurkers". No offense was intended. It's just a common internet term for those who read rather than write.

Moonchild is right. Just pop on in. Don't aim to be creative. The idea is not to keep up with Catspaw or Peter or Seed, it is to share what you have. If you have some information, share it. We also welcome opinions even if like elbows people can have more than one.

Roger in Baltimore


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Subject: RE: Creative group
From: paddymac
Date: 04 Jan 00 - 06:25 PM

Danlbear - My "story" is not unlike moonchild's comment above. You'll find some folks are compulsive posters, and most offer less frequent comment. Most are conversational in tone, and many are more philosophical and scholarly in nature. There are also the occasional "flamers". There is a collective community here that is made up of people who share an interest in folk & blues music, but who also have divergent backgrounds and opinions on almost any topic you can imagine. We try hard to be courteous, but tempers do flare from time to time. Welcome to our global family. Pull up a chair, put your feet up by the fire, and relax. You're at home with the reat of the family.


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Subject: RE: Creative group
From: Victoria
Date: 04 Jan 00 - 06:37 PM

I posted for the first time not long ago, and everyone has been really great and open here (thanks!) I was just so excited (after several disapointments) at finding a folk board where people engaged in discussion and posted regularly, that I couldn't help but jump in! I really enjoy the time that I spend here, so Mudcatters, thanks!!


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Subject: RE: Creative group
From: fulurum
Date: 04 Jan 00 - 07:34 PM

i,e only been a "mudcatter" myself for a short time myself. the folks here have helped me and hopefuly i have helped them. looking forward to the same in the future.

"for the good times, and the high times through the suffering and pain it's the songs of generations, singing in my veins, i still hear that old time music of good friends now long gone i am here tonight to pass the music on."

from "Pass the Music On" by Tom Chapin & Si Kahn

welcome new friend


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Subject: RE: Creative group
From: John in Brisbane
Date: 04 Jan 00 - 07:55 PM

Paddymac - I recommend that your well chosen words above be permanently placed at the Mudcat gateway, so that EVERYONE is reminded before they post or read. Well done, John.


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Subject: RE: Creative group
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 04 Jan 00 - 08:12 PM

I agree with that comment from John in Brisbane about Paddymac's outline of the Mudcat. I think they would fit very well in the kind of FAQ or welcome page being talked about in this thread at the moment.

(In case the clicky thing went wrong, I mean the one headlined "Needed? Song history FAQ ?")

And I quite agree that the term "lurkers" is offensive, and I think we should abandon it here. Maybe "Angels" - for, as we all know, "fools rush in where Angels fear to thread"


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Subject: RE: Creative group
From: MMario
Date: 04 Jan 00 - 09:34 PM

McGrath - that hurt! owww! (you caught me taking a swallow and pepsi BURNS in the nasel cavities!)


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Subject: RE: Creative group
From: bbelle
Date: 04 Jan 00 - 09:40 PM

RiB ... didn't remember that it was you who used the term "lurkers." It raised my ire so much that I fired back a rebuttal and never did remember who said it! Reckon you owe me a "Biscuit Blues" lesson at annap's for speaking your mind. G-d know, I am shy and retiring and never, no never, say what's on my mind ... luvya ... moonchild


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Subject: RE: Creative group
From: faswilli2
Date: 04 Jan 00 - 09:44 PM

guessI'm another lurker. This is my first time too. I have been a semi regular at the Kerrville Folk Festival the last few years and have heard that Rod Kennedy will no longer be producing it. the rights have been sold. I find it odd that some artist acquaintances have told me they are booked for this year but the website has not been updated nor the schedules publlished. Does anyone know what is going out there in kville?


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Subject: RE: Creative group
From: harpgirl
Date: 04 Jan 00 - 09:45 PM

moonchild...I just don't see the offensiveness of the term "lurkers" I think it is apt and carries no implied disdain....


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Subject: RE: Creative group
From: harpgirl
Date: 04 Jan 00 - 09:49 PM

lurkaholics????


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Subject: RE: Creative group
From: faswilli2 (Emerson)
Date: 04 Jan 00 - 10:00 PM


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Subject: RE: Creative group
From: faswilli2 (Emerson)
Date: 04 Jan 00 - 10:01 PM

How about "lurkverts"


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Subject: RE: Creative group
From: Little Neophyte
Date: 04 Jan 00 - 10:28 PM

How about renaming it 'silent participant'


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Subject: RE: Creative group
From: vikinglass
Date: 04 Jan 00 - 10:29 PM

I officially jumped off the "lurker" train yesterday when I started my first thread......chiggers....... Danlbear, it looks like us "lurkers" are many. I feel privileged to have a special label and am in no way offended by the term "lurkvert", "lurkaholic", etc...and to anyone who is easily offended, well, take a dose of ex-lax and re-lax.


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Subject: RE: Creative group
From: MMario
Date: 04 Jan 00 - 10:34 PM

"lurker" DOES indeed have negative connotations OUTSIDE of the electronic community....WITHIN a forum such as this, it is the equivilant of "interested party" or "serious observer"


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Subject: RE: Creative group
From: catspaw49
Date: 04 Jan 00 - 11:09 PM

As a non-lurker, more of a chain jerker...Welcome to the 'Cat to all. I read threads for about a month before I posted over a year ago. Also go back and check into old threads using names you see...kinda' gave me a feel for the place. Glad you're all here!

AND JAMES JIM -- Where are you in Kentucky?

Spaw


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Subject: RE: Creative group
From: bbelle
Date: 04 Jan 00 - 11:27 PM

Sorry, harpgirl, but the word "lurk" is offensive. The definition(s), according to Mr. Webster, are as follows:

1.To lie in wait, as in ambush. 2.To move furtively; sneak.

"Observer" would be the more appropriate word as it applies to those new to the mudcat, who may be intimidated, at first.

moonchild


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Subject: RE: Creative group
From: InOBU
Date: 04 Jan 00 - 11:37 PM

Hey Danlbear:
Speaking of the Edmund Fitz. Did you see the report about the finding of the wreck, where the daughter of the helmsman, who most likely died at his post, had the divers place his favorite beer on the bridge console? I was more than touched.
From one of the loadmouths
Larry


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Subject: RE: Creative group
From: catspaw49
Date: 04 Jan 00 - 11:43 PM

I saw that one...lot of tragic stories and ironies about the Fitz. I love Great Lakes shipwreck stories...Some really fine tales of personal heroism and cowardice...not too mention insanity. But lots of tearjerkers too.

Spaw


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Subject: RE: Creative group
From: DonMeixner
Date: 05 Jan 00 - 12:07 AM

Dan,

See the way this thread has deteriorated into puns and bad jokes? We ain't all that creative. Just repetative. Welcome to the fold, when we aren't feeling self righteous, very nearly everyone of us is good folks to hang about with.

Don.


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Subject: RE: Creative group
From: Roger in Baltimore
Date: 05 Jan 00 - 12:51 AM

Fulurum,

Could you post the rest of that Tom Chapin - Si Kahn song?

Roger in Baltimore


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Subject: RE: Creative group
From: JamesJim
Date: 05 Jan 00 - 12:55 AM

Hey catspaw! I'm in Louisville. Been singing and playing for a lot of years. Where do you live?


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Subject: RE: Creative group
From: paddymac
Date: 05 Jan 00 - 01:07 AM

Moonchild's dictionary research notwithstanding, I share harpgirl's sentiment that "lurk" is not a pejorative term in the context of the 'cat. Besides, what could be more euphonious and apt than "lurk 'n learn"?

John in B and McG in H - Thank you for your kind words.


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Subject: RE: Creative group
From: Helen
Date: 05 Jan 00 - 01:38 AM

Hey Banjo Bonnie,

Instead of "silent participant", how about "innocent bystander"?

*BG* while ducking & weaving out of the way of decaying vegetable missiles.

Helen


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Subject: RE: Creative group
From: Danlbear
Date: 05 Jan 00 - 08:07 AM

I think I prefer Banjo Bonnies definition of a lurker.

Dan


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Subject: RE: Creative group
From: harpgirl
Date: 05 Jan 00 - 08:26 AM

...ah moonchild....in the 21st century Webster's number three will be:

3. in the electronic community, to participate silently, to evaluate an electronic forum before participating, to withdraw from active participation....ad infinitem...


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Subject: RE: Creative group
From: InOBU
Date: 05 Jan 00 - 08:35 AM

Ah my dear Spaw
When I was but a tadpole, my favorite book ws Shipwrecks of the Laks, by Dana Thomas Bowen 1952 Lakeside Printing Co. , Cleveland, Ohio. Lots of great storries and photographs. If you can find it in the library, or Amazon or some rare book cite, you will have a great time with it. Now, some four decades after I found it on the shelf of my fathers library, it still is nesstled among the law and anthropology books about my desk.
REMEMBER THE SEVONA< PRETORIA< IOSCO< & OLIVE JEANETTE!
all lost Sept. 1905 in the same storm on Lake Superior.
If it had a tune you could sing it!
Larry


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Subject: RE: Creative group
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 05 Jan 00 - 02:16 PM

My suggestion of "Angel" for Lurker was in fact a serious one - in spite of the tread/thread pun (and the words are in fact pronounced exactly the same way in many parts of the world).

But I like the suggestion that people reading the thread without adding contributions are benevolent spirits keeping in the background until they feel it is time to make a positive contribution - sort of Guardian Angels. Whereas lurker has a nasty sound to it.The Lurker in the Dark Alley. Not a nice thought at all.

I am sure that the use of the term lurker does in fact encourage people to be less friendly to people making a post for the first time. Not so much in the Mudcat, but elsewhere. If you think of strangers as lurkers it's not surprising you get nervous when they suddenly reveal themselves.

Anyway, I think that Angel is a word I'm might try to use instead. As Saint Paul put it: "Be not forgetful to entertain strangers, : for thereby some have entertained angels unawares." Which sounds much more agreeable.

And I suppose people who post messages anonymously might qualify as Fallen Angels. Makes sense.


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Subject: RE: Creative group
From: MMario
Date: 05 Jan 00 - 02:33 PM

I agree with your rationale, but aware also that if the MudCat adopts this as practice:

1) we will need to re-educate any experienced user who joins the forum, as "lurker" is accepted usage outside of the 'cat

2) we SHOULD post the agreed upon usage to a (readily available) FAQ

3) make sure BEFORE "we" try to change usage here that "Angel" does not offend as many as does "lurker"

my thoughts, such as they are

MMario


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Subject: RE: Creative group
From: Bert
Date: 05 Jan 00 - 02:39 PM

Golly! I had never thought of the term lurker as being anything but a joke. How about "visitor" ?


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Subject: RE: Creative group
From: MMario
Date: 05 Jan 00 - 03:40 PM

Bert - you mean one of those lizard-aliens disguised as people who steal Earth's water and kidnap our children for hors-deuves?


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Subject: RE: Creative group
From: bbelle
Date: 05 Jan 00 - 03:42 PM

Why do they have to be called anything? Why must everything have a label or monitor attached? Why can't they just be left to observe until they have something they want to say. We're making far too much of this ... moonchild


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Subject: RE: Creative group
From: Áine
Date: 05 Jan 00 - 03:46 PM

IT'S A COOKBOOK! IT'S A COOKBOOK!


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Subject: RE: Creative group
From: MMario
Date: 05 Jan 00 - 03:59 PM

Áine - * insert dumbfounded speechless, but appreciative look here*

MMario


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Subject: RE: Creative group
From: Little Neophyte
Date: 05 Jan 00 - 04:03 PM

If someone chooses to participate in the Mudcat but not to post I believe they are doing more than observing.
Who knows how a Thread or posting affects the 'Silent participant'. The reading of a posting can inspire a person to make positive changes for themselves and others.
Posting is one aspect of the Mudcat.

BB


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